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Re: Star Trek general thread
« Reply #300 on: 22 March 2020, 04:55:56 »
Earth there are no problems, you get out in the deeper colonies and the like it shows how bad it is. Even the human ones like the planet Tasha Yar was from, that was a bunch of humans that had the 180 of the Federations Utopia. I would say the difference would be because the Enterprise-D was the flagship...and got to drink the kool aid when on the Federation Flagship. 

Yeah, and that's sort of what Picard has shown as well.  Even while Raffi was living in isolation at Vasquez Rocks in what she called a hovel, she had a replicator, she had a computer, she had her snakeweed plants to vape. Picard was able to take a taxi to go see her.  She had no material needs.  All the problems Picard has encountered are either external (like the Zhat Vash infiltrating Starfleet) or far away from Earth (like Vashti turning into a Romulan ghetto because the Federation abandoned them), and it's clear that people like Admiral Clancy made hard choices that Picard disagrees with because they felt their choices maintained the Utopia for as many people as possible.
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Re: Star Trek general thread
« Reply #301 on: 22 March 2020, 06:11:27 »
Trek was always there to point to a future where we could say we moved past that corrupt and dark side of ourselves, that we were better.  It's kind of a bummer to see it fall back into modern grimdark storytelling.

The utopia that still had issues with racism (Kirk for the Klingons, especially after his son was killed; Chekov for the Klingons (“Close enough to smell them!”), Styles for the Romulans), famine (the colony where Kirk grew up and thousands were killed by its governor), war (all the conflicts with the Klingons, Romulans, Tholians, Orion pirates, etc.), condoning of slavery/similar institutions (Starfleet officers enjoying the spectacle (and likely more) of the Orion slave girls without objection, Mudd’s women), etc.?

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Re: Star Trek general thread
« Reply #302 on: 22 March 2020, 07:24:13 »
haven't we been around this in circles a dozen times already - and it always ends up with the mods closing down the thread.


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Re: Star Trek general thread
« Reply #303 on: 22 March 2020, 11:37:15 »
haven't we been around this in circles a dozen times already - and it always ends up with the mods closing down the thread.

Eep.  Yeah... so what about the new Soong?  Alton Inigo (! You killed my father, prepare to die!?!) Soong?
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« Reply #304 on: 22 March 2020, 11:41:21 »
I think someone kept some of Lore's source code in Sutra's source code.
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Re: Star Trek general thread
« Reply #305 on: 22 March 2020, 12:26:47 »
THing is even if it was a supernova, those things are deeply unpleasant for stuff in system. But beyond that, it will only go and expand to surrounding space waaaaaaay slower. To threaten a nearby star system would take centuries if not longer and if a systems suitably far away then they'd be treated to a spectacular light show but thats about it.

The bad stuff from a supernova is going to be in waves. The most immediate issue is going to be hard radiation that will sterilize any systems within a radius of several light years IIRC. So once you actually see the supernova, its already too late as you get bombarded by hard radiation. Also IIRC if one of the poles is pointing towards you, you will get an even more heavy dose. But if the star was several light years away, that'll take time to get there. The other stuff (matter) would take a very long time to threaten Romulus, centuries or even millenia, but by then it would be too late.

If the supernova was Romulus' parent star, all life would be scoured from the planet within a matter of minutes to hours at best.

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Re: Star Trek general thread
« Reply #306 on: 22 March 2020, 13:04:14 »
As for the supernova, I could be completely off, but I believe it was explained in a tie-in comic for the 2009 reboot film that there was something weird about the original star that went supernova: it somehow affected subspace, allowing its destructiveness to travel much farther and much faster than normal.
(But it has been a bit since I read it...)

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Re: Star Trek general thread
« Reply #307 on: 22 March 2020, 13:11:38 »
Yeah, and that's sort of what Picard has shown as well.  Even while Raffi was living in isolation at Vasquez Rocks in what she called a hovel, she had a replicator, she had a computer, she had her snakeweed plants to vape. Picard was able to take a taxi to go see her.  She had no material needs.  All the problems Picard has encountered are either external (like the Zhat Vash infiltrating Starfleet) or far away from Earth (like Vashti turning into a Romulan ghetto because the Federation abandoned them), and it's clear that people like Admiral Clancy made hard choices that Picard disagrees with because they felt their choices maintained the Utopia for as many people as possible.
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Re: Star Trek general thread
« Reply #310 on: 24 March 2020, 19:19:44 »
Well last episode is Thursday with a lot of story to tell and close up.
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« Reply #311 on: 26 March 2020, 20:41:53 »
Overall, I thought this was a pretty decent, not great, addition to Star Trek. I'm happy to see it continue.

Two moments I didn't like in the finale:

1. The huge Romulan and Starfleets fleets each looked to be made up of just one class of ship.

2. The final scene seemed to indicate some kind of flirtation or romantic connection between Raffi and Seven. What? Where the hell did that come from? I'm not opposed to this because it seems like it could be an interesting pairing, but it completely came out of nowhere.

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« Reply #312 on: 26 March 2020, 21:49:03 »
1.  Aside from practical considerations, maybe (and a big if) they're accepting there wouldn't be that much variation in actual production.

2.  Agreed.

3 (because why not   :P ) couldn't the do something better than "generic tentacles"?
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Re: Star Trek general thread
« Reply #313 on: 26 March 2020, 21:51:27 »
*nod*

I don't mind it but I was kind of hoping a couple different things would have happened there at the end.

As to your #2 item Roosterboy I'm pretty sure my thoughts on it and where it came from/why it happened are purely violations of rule 4 to express and as such I'm honestly disappointed in the show runners for doing it even if I'm like you and don't actually entirely mind it.

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« Reply #314 on: 27 March 2020, 04:10:14 »
I'm kinda hoping for a short trek or something to expand on point 2 there.  I didn't mind it even though it came out of left field.

My big problems with the series overall were

1. Not much came of the Artefact in the end.  I'm not sure if it was that the writers couldn't figure out hot to make it a bigger thing, or the fans felt it should have been more important, but it just seemed to be there with all these cool plot ideas and then winds up sitting on the planet and that's it?  If Seven had even used the weapons Narissa brought back online this week to help defend the planet, it would have been something

But aside from that, I really enjoyed the finale and the show overall.

2.Having Picard die only to come back in a synth body just about identical to his human one was pointless.  They could have kept the Irumotic Syndrome as a growing thing that eventually kills him at the end of the show, or spent all the time referring to it to better flesh out other stories, but it really stood out as unearned drama here
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« Reply #315 on: 27 March 2020, 07:16:02 »
I only liked the Picard - Data story arc. Their friendship coming to an appropriate "end" like Data wanted all his "life"... "dying" as a human that he so desired to be.

Everything else is lazy writing IMO. They spent all the good writing in that Picard Data scene.

Wasted a good 2nd hand Borg Cube. Wasted 7 of 9. Wasted Narek (which suddenly disappears). Wasted Narissa.

Picard going into an artificial body which is a replica of his own but without the Irumotic Syndrome is... stupid.
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Re: Star Trek general thread
« Reply #316 on: 27 March 2020, 13:31:43 »
The ships of both fleets were upsetting to me. They were all the same Federation ship. It looked like a Galaxy modified from STO.
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« Reply #317 on: 28 March 2020, 02:24:42 »
I absolutely loved ST:Picard. That said, the finale also was emotionally devastating for me, despite how much I loved it.
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« Reply #318 on: 28 March 2020, 03:57:59 »
In a season of missed potential and unresolved plot lines, did I miss what happened to Narek? I had a lot of problems with the series (it also had its moments, to be fair), but building up this guy as a creepy spy all season, giving him his semi-redemption moment, and then literally forgetting about him feels utterly bizarre.  Did I just miss a scene?
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« Reply #319 on: 28 March 2020, 04:16:29 »
Pretty sure we don't see him after he's pinned to the ground by the Synths.  I'd be shocked if he's not back next year though.
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« Reply #320 on: 28 March 2020, 12:29:46 »
I'm not even convinced his sister didn't survive. We never see Narissa's body.
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« Reply #321 on: 28 March 2020, 13:48:28 »
Yeah over all season 1 was interesting to me and not the worst Star Trek I've ever seen but I tend to agree there were a lot of things that were never followed up on that should have been and some weirdness coming out of no where that kept it from being truly great.

What I think really helped it is it did not suffer from prequelitis.

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« Reply #322 on: 28 March 2020, 16:21:55 »
What I think really helped it is it did not suffer from prequelitis.

That was my main motivation to see (and liked some stuff) the series.
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« Reply #323 on: 29 March 2020, 22:42:48 »
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What I think really helped it is it did not suffer from prequelitis.

And now I've got the verse about Enterprise in "The USS Make [stuff] Up" in my head.
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« Reply #324 on: 30 March 2020, 04:55:03 »
So, it was announced before series 1 of Picard aired that Michael Chabon wouldn't be back as showrunner for series 2 (He's writing a TV adaptation of Kavalier and Klay), turns out his replacement was the showrunner on the 12 Monkeys TV show.
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« Reply #325 on: 30 March 2020, 11:52:02 »
So, it was announced before series 1 of Picard aired that Michael Chabon wouldn't be back as showrunner for series 2 (He's writing a TV adaptation of Kavalier and Klay), turns out his replacement was the showrunner on the 12 Monkeys TV show.

Haven't seen the show 12 Monkeys.  Was it as good as the movie?
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« Reply #326 on: 30 March 2020, 11:54:27 »
I haven't seen it, but I have heard many good things.
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« Reply #327 on: 30 March 2020, 14:54:45 »
We don't lovingly refer to her as Warlord Janeway for nothing after all.

Don't make her find your lack of faith disturbing..

I read up on the last ep, and the whole data computer generated mind thinggy, where he and Jean luc spent time
And it seemed a good 'good-bye', after the events of Nemsis..
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« Reply #328 on: 31 March 2020, 22:58:30 »
But

To do the mind meld stuff, you still need to be a telepath, or at least have telepatic capabilities. Sutra's basically got a super-computer as a brain and can't be a telepath.

Robots can't be telepaths...?
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« Reply #329 on: 01 April 2020, 01:44:37 »
Robots can't be telepaths...?
A certain Mr. Isaac Asimov would like to disagree with you.  ;D

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When did he write a telepathic robot??
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