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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #480 on: 26 March 2020, 13:23:58 »
That's a good way to put it.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #481 on: 26 March 2020, 13:28:22 »
The Sikorsky reminds me of the dragon Toothless from How To Train Your Dragon in appearance
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #482 on: 26 March 2020, 14:11:56 »
I rather like the Bell design, it should be a quiet little thing compared to the Sikorsky's interacting blades.  Maybe not as fast or maneuverable (there's something to be said for reversible pusher props) but that fenestron is going to do a lot for keeping the noise down.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #483 on: 26 March 2020, 16:31:51 »
If range is weighted heaviest for that second competition, I'm sure the tilt rotor will win it.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #484 on: 26 March 2020, 20:52:54 »
Quote from: DoctorMonkey on 26 March 2020, 13:28:22
The Sikorsky reminds me of the dragon Toothless from How To Train Your Dragon in appearance

That's exactly it!
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #485 on: 16 April 2020, 01:25:18 »
Does anyone know of a real-world seaplane that has a float layout similar to the Seabuster?



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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #486 on: 16 April 2020, 01:33:04 »
I'd guess 3-4 maybe t-shaped floats with winglets.  The engine looks vectored as well.  Can't think of any real world versions though.

Quote from: Weirdo on 16 April 2020, 01:25:18
Does anyone know of a real-world seaplane that has a float layout similar to the Seabuster?



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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #487 on: 16 April 2020, 03:45:32 »
Quote from: Weirdo on 16 April 2020, 01:25:18
Does anyone know of a real-world seaplane that has a float layout similar to the Seabuster?

Nope - assuming that the 'lumps' under the canards and inner wings are conventional floats - because it's insane, at the same level as most ASFs.

I'd be inclined to assume they're ordnance, and that the Seabuster uses a skid arrangement like the Sea Dart.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #488 on: 16 April 2020, 10:13:03 »
Maybe they're just retractable pontoons? Extend when in the water, retract them once in the air for better aerodynamics? Not exactly common, but not unheard of either.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #489 on: 16 April 2020, 10:34:19 »
Quote from: Istal_Devalis on 16 April 2020, 10:13:03
Maybe they're just retractable pontoons? Extend when in the water, retract them once in the air for better aerodynamics? Not exactly common, but not unheard of either.

those become drag sources and vortex generators VERY quickly.  at best, you're crippling your manueverability and lift.  (You want your vortex generators to be positioned ON TOP of the wing, not below it, in order to increase lift.) at worst, you're also creating problems with war-load (your pontoons end up occupying spaces better devoted to bombs and rocket pods.)

but then, MOST of the Battletech Universe haven't heard of things like "wind tunnels", so it doesn't really matter.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #490 on: 16 April 2020, 11:24:17 »
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #491 on: 16 April 2020, 11:57:37 »
Quote from: Luciora on 16 April 2020, 11:24:17
With enough thrust, even a brick can fly! - Leopard class dropship.

yeah, except we're not discussing something with improbably powerful exhaust that violates physics to work.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #492 on: 16 April 2020, 12:25:11 »
Quote from: Luciora on 16 April 2020, 11:24:17
With enough thrust, even a brick can fly!

It's true.



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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #493 on: 16 April 2020, 13:31:06 »
I think I'll go with the retractable pontoons. Not the most efficient approach, but as we all know, the more efficient something is, the less appreciate it is to include in a Battletech game. :thumbsup:

Besides, Seabusters run fusion instead of a turbine, so I figure it really does have the power to overcome the aerodynamic issues.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #494 on: 16 April 2020, 13:52:49 »
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It's true.



aw, come on now, the Phantom II isn't THAT bad.  (the J-79 isn't THAT good.)
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #495 on: 30 April 2020, 04:20:17 »
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #496 on: 30 April 2020, 16:55:00 »
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #497 on: 30 April 2020, 16:57:06 »
Surprised I did not see this here . . .

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #498 on: 10 May 2020, 19:02:59 »
I ran across this the other day...it's a B-52B with a 2 20mm cannon tail turret.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #499 on: 10 May 2020, 19:06:15 »
How the heck was the gunner expected to hit anything?? ???
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #500 on: 10 May 2020, 19:49:51 »
Firing against jet interceptors? Using radar fixes, from that large bulge atop the cannons. Same way the .50s were fired. At least two BUFF tail gunners shot down Mig-21s, IIRC.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #501 on: 10 May 2020, 20:00:18 »
I thought the B-52 gunners were closer to their guns...
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #502 on: 10 May 2020, 20:02:53 »
You may be thinking of Tupolev tail guns, which basically take the Flying Fortress/Superfortress configuration forward ...
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #503 on: 10 May 2020, 20:12:39 »
Could be, could be... Thanks!  :thumbsup:
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #504 on: 10 May 2020, 21:41:10 »
Quote from: Daryk on 10 May 2020, 20:00:18
I thought the B-52 gunners were closer to their guns...

It depended on the model of B-52. If you look to the left of the person in the pic you can see the canopy over the gunner's compartment.  Later ones, I think the H and G models, moved the gunner up front with the rest of the crew.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #505 on: 11 May 2020, 11:48:53 »
The tail gun did get a couple of kills in Vietnam
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #506 on: 11 May 2020, 14:29:15 »
BUFFs started with quad fiftys. Then moved on to twin twentys, then eventually a Vulcan.

They're now gunless.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #507 on: 11 May 2020, 16:31:12 »
Quote from: Fat Guy on 11 May 2020, 14:29:15
BUFFs started with quad fiftys. Then moved on to twin twentys, then eventually a Vulcan.

They're now gunless.

But the Old Dogs now carry missiles . . .
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #508 on: 11 May 2020, 17:51:19 »
Too bad they don't have SST style noses and V wing tails!

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #509 on: 12 May 2020, 06:48:19 »
Japan just took delivery of their first Ospreys.

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