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Manei Domini BV adjustment
« on: 02 October 2019, 14:14:04 »
Is there a BV adjustment for Manei Domini Pilots? Asking this here as I am unsure which of the RULES THREAD should be asked in.
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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #1 on: 02 October 2019, 14:21:25 »
Well . . . IO has a BV cost for the implants I am told.
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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #2 on: 02 October 2019, 14:26:03 »
Actually found it. Jihad Hotspots 3072, Page 120-121. Not a BV per-se but a Force Multiplier
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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #3 on: 02 October 2019, 14:56:04 »
Well . . . IO has a BV cost for the implants I am told.

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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #4 on: 02 October 2019, 16:02:33 »
I'm reasonably sure Interstellar operations and JHS '72 have different values. IO is lower, and probably more in line with reality.

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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #5 on: 02 October 2019, 16:03:45 »
Actually found it. Jihad Hotspots 3072, Page 120-121. Not a BV per-se but a Force Multiplier

They've been superseded by the ones in IO
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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #6 on: 02 October 2019, 16:06:01 »
They've been superseded by the ones in IO


Grrrrrrrrrrrrr....

OK thanx - Off to read them rules!
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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #7 on: 02 October 2019, 16:19:06 »
OK - so if I understand this correctly, a Manei Domini Pilot of Gun 2, Pilot 1, has a default BV adjustment of 2.1 x BV

AS PER PAGE 190, IO

If this Pilot then has a Pain Shunt they are adjusted by -1 on the Pilot Modifier to be an equivalent 2/0 or a BV adjustment of 2.24.

If this Pilot ALSO has the Buffered VDNI that accounts for a -1 to Gunnery and so becomes a 1/0 Pilot for a BV adjustment of 2.56.

Is that correct?
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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #8 on: 03 October 2019, 09:32:16 »
Yes.
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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #9 on: 03 October 2019, 09:37:08 »
Thank You!

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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #10 on: 04 October 2019, 00:29:26 »
The Six Million BV Mechwarriors.
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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #11 on: 04 October 2019, 11:08:44 »
 
OK - so if I understand this correctly, a Manei Domini Pilot of Gun 2, Pilot 1, has a default BV adjustment of 2.1 x BV

AS PER PAGE 190, IO

If this Pilot then has a Pain Shunt they are adjusted by -1 on the Pilot Modifier to be an equivalent 2/0 or a BV adjustment of 2.24.

If this Pilot ALSO has the Buffered VDNI that accounts for a -1 to Gunnery and so becomes a 1/0 Pilot for a BV adjustment of 2.56.

Is that correct?

Yeah. I dug into a lot of this recently too. All of the versions of VDNI cause an increase in BV that corresponds the the equivalent increase in Piloting / Gunnery.

VDNI: -1/-1
bVDNI: -1/0
Prototype VDNI -2/-3

They all come with increased chance of pilot damage. Prototype to such a point that I’m pretty sure a hailstorm during a mission could melt that pilot’s brain. So unless there is another selling point, they are all worse in a BV balanced game than simply putting a better pilot in the mech. You need a different reason to put them in (fluff).

There is an exception when it comes to small cockpits. I think they all allow pilots to ignore the effects of a small cockpit.

Pain shunt is exactly as you said. Treat BV-wise as a -1 to piloting.

I do need to reread the IO section on the equipment that interfaces with VDNI. There’s a way to get your pilot and mech essentially immune to gyro hits but it almost requires a custom mech due to rarity.

Now I’m gonna look at what a gunnery 1, piloting 1 pilot with VDNI, Pain Shunt, TCP, and every other MD implant I can add would play like. Make a 5k BV “hero/villain” mech for a pickup game.

Anyone correct me if I got it wrong.

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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #12 on: 04 October 2019, 13:37:39 »
Giving somebody a cybernetic alternate personality is a path to victory. Pay -2 gunnery and get +2 on initiative with triple core processors.

Yes, bVDNI + small cockpit is pretty much the only way to get ahead on PBV value. But if you start with random pilots, or are limited to the quality of pilots you can get before upgrades, it's a way to get an advantage.

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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #13 on: 04 October 2019, 14:41:15 »
One minor point.  The non-buffered VDNI has a flat -1 piloting bonus, even with normal cockpits.  Buffered VDNI only ignores the small cockpit penalty.

The was a mention of being able to ignore gyro hits.  That's likely referring to the Machina Domini PAL system, which requires a specialized cockpit.  Gyro hits no longer count, and designs may remove the gyro entirely, like the Gestalt in Final Reckoning.
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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #14 on: 07 October 2019, 12:04:01 »
One minor point.  The non-buffered VDNI has a flat -1 piloting bonus, even with normal cockpits.  Buffered VDNI only ignores the small cockpit penalty.

The was a mention of being able to ignore gyro hits.  That's likely referring to the Machina Domini PAL system, which requires a specialized cockpit.  Gyro hits no longer count, and designs may remove the gyro entirely, like the Gestalt in Final Reckoning.

So I’m clear, VDNI also ignores small cockpit and has the -1 to piloting?

Also, I did not know about this gestalt. It looks like a mech trying to do too many things at once. That, or it carries sledgehammers for every occasion.

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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #15 on: 07 October 2019, 12:22:07 »
No, the unbuffered VDNI has the flat piloting bonus which effectively balances out the small cockpit penalty.

The Gestalt is an ambush predator.  Void sig, capacitor enhanced heavy PPC, interface cockpit plus VDNI, can cripple most targets with an opening shot and get away.  Even better when working with a couple of other Void sig units.
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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #16 on: 07 October 2019, 12:35:10 »
question there is what came first IRL . . . gesalt or skinwalker?
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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #17 on: 07 October 2019, 12:36:19 »
question there is what came first IRL . . . gesalt or skinwalker?

Gestalt by about 70 years?
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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #18 on: 07 October 2019, 14:17:31 »
Skinwalker, XTRO republic 3, 2015
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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #19 on: 07 October 2019, 14:50:36 »
Was the Skinwalker just XTRO or was it from MWDA stuff?
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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #20 on: 07 October 2019, 19:47:58 »
Just XTRO, I believe
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Re: Manei Domini BV adjustment
« Reply #21 on: 08 October 2019, 08:13:55 »
No, the unbuffered VDNI has the flat piloting bonus which effectively balances out the small cockpit penalty.

Hm. Understood. Just seems like it should have.