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« on: 23 February 2015, 22:32:17 »
In the IWM Web Only Preview Gallery are CAD preview images for several Web Only releases that will come out with in the next several months.

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« Reply #1 on: 23 February 2015, 23:29:31 »
Is that Thor B the original, or the Thor II?
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« Reply #2 on: 23 February 2015, 23:58:34 »
Is that Thor B the original, or the Thor II?

That's a Thor II B sculpt

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« Reply #3 on: 24 February 2015, 00:24:09 »
Excellent, Thank you Speck!

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« Reply #4 on: 24 February 2015, 08:21:42 »
First off thanks Speck!
Secondly will each variant be available separately or several variants in 1 package?

Thanks!
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« Reply #5 on: 24 February 2015, 09:14:52 »
First off thanks Speck!
Secondly will each variant be available separately or several variants in 1 package?

Thanks!
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Each will be individual sku and package except the Arion QuadVee, which will have parts for to make one or other.

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« Reply #6 on: 24 February 2015, 10:27:41 »
Great news!  Those are some nice looking new mechs and I'll definitely be adding most of them to my collection.  I am especially excited about the Arion, and I hope we see the other two QuadVees announced before too long.   O0
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« Reply #7 on: 24 February 2015, 11:31:26 »
I'm surprised to see the Thor II (Thor Harder!) is an online exclusive. That said, I'll still be ordering a Prime and a B as soon as possible. (Might use something else like Viking arms in place of the box launchers though on that B )
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« Reply #8 on: 24 February 2015, 13:01:17 »
Speck,

First...thank you for getting these images up. It's an awesome surprise to see so many variants!!

I hate to rain on the parade of images...but the Thor II A & B variants have issues.

The Thor A does not have the lasers on the LT & RT as the prime does. Your CAD designer should remove them from the A variant.

The Thor B also does not have the "same" lasers on the LT & RT as the prime does...but it does have an ER Small Laser in the RT...so maybe that one can stay. The LT laser needs to be removed & a CT laser needs to be added.
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« Reply #9 on: 24 February 2015, 13:24:34 »
Speck,

First...thank you for getting these images up. It's an awesome surprise to see so many variants!!

I hate to rain on the parade of images...but the Thor II A & B variants have issues.

The Thor A does not have the lasers on the LT & RT as the prime does. Your CAD designer should remove them from the A variant.

The Thor B also does not have the "same" lasers on the LT & RT as the prime does...but it does have an ER Small Laser in the RT...so maybe that one can stay. The LT laser needs to be removed & a CT laser needs to be added.

I am the sculptor, so I can answer these questions.  The answers come down to a few reasons, mainly, cost, ease of assembly, and Dark Age Minis.

First, let's talk about cost.  Given the way masters are made and part counts work, more parts=more cost.  I was aiming to reduce the complexity and reduce the number of parts that needed to be both 3D printed and molded.  So, IWM is only casting 1 torso, and providing different arms with each config.

Why not make them separate pieces you ask? Ease of assembly.  Tiny parts are always a pain to assemble, and, on top of that, those lasers are so small and so integrated to the torso, there would be no good way to separate them.

Lastly, take a look at the Dark Age minis, all of them use the laser housings on the shoulders:


So, logically, how did I reconcile this?

For the A, the housings are permanently on the 'Mech, and there simply isn't a laser there.  Just don't jewel the laser, and that should make some logical sense.

For the B, it is a simple matter of weapon and art being slightly different.  The same way the Marauder's AC appears to be on the CT, but is actually in the RT.  If you want, I can ask Ray about possibly getting some errata going on the B config.

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« Reply #10 on: 24 February 2015, 15:04:18 »
I brought the Thor II stats to life and I really like what Stinger did, and his rationale for the B config is exactly what I'd in mind, too.

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« Reply #11 on: 24 February 2015, 16:01:29 »
I'm so stoked for all of these but the Chimera really has my attention. The 2K is really exciting; I'll definitely buy a few.
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« Reply #12 on: 24 February 2015, 17:07:28 »
Am I the only Artic Wolf Omni fan out there? :( Still, bring'em on!
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« Reply #13 on: 24 February 2015, 17:28:29 »
Am I the only Artic Wolf Omni fan out there? :( Still, bring'em on!

No sir you are not. I am a fan too. Excited about the Artic Wolf.

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« Reply #14 on: 24 February 2015, 18:25:35 »
I am the sculptor, so I can answer these questions.  The answers come down to a few reasons, mainly, cost, ease of assembly, and Dark Age Minis.

First, let's talk about cost.  Given the way masters are made and part counts work, more parts=more cost.  I was aiming to reduce the complexity and reduce the number of parts that needed to be both 3D printed and molded.  So, IWM is only casting 1 torso, and providing different arms with each config.

Why not make them separate pieces you ask? Ease of assembly.  Tiny parts are always a pain to assemble, and, on top of that, those lasers are so small and so integrated to the torso, there would be no good way to separate them.

Lastly, take a look at the Dark Age minis, all of them use the laser housings on the shoulders:


So, logically, how did I reconcile this?

For the A, the housings are permanently on the 'Mech, and there simply isn't a laser there.  Just don't jewel the laser, and that should make some logical sense.

For the B, it is a simple matter of weapon and art being slightly different.  The same way the Marauder's AC appears to be on the CT, but is actually in the RT.  If you want, I can ask Ray about possibly getting some errata going on the B config.

Stinger,

Thank you for the heads up. I never played the MW:DA clicky game, so I've never held one of them in my hands. Your explanation makes sense...just wish it was different and more "art" true than previous miniature true. I know they would be small items, but if there was a way to make the lasers independent from the torso, you could still have the same single torso, just add the lasers to the appropriate mech to make the correct variant.

Now...before anyone harps on me for it, yes...I know, things are done certain ways just because they are requested to. I'm just a purist and love to see the miniature be "correct" for the status rather than the WizKidz miniatures.

I definitely appreciate all the work you're doing Stinger...thank you very much! I realize it's not "on the list of things to do" but I do wish we could get the arms & torso Ultra A/C for the C variant, as well as the correct arms for the D...but it is what it is.

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« Reply #15 on: 24 February 2015, 18:47:21 »
Just looked at these.  love the Chimera variant.  Arctic Wolf II. . .Yes Please!   

And then there was the Thorgasm!!!!  multiple variants, multiple Thorgasms!

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« Reply #16 on: 24 February 2015, 18:56:18 »
Stinger,

Thank you for the heads up. I never played the MW:DA clicky game, so I've never held one of them in my hands. Your explanation makes sense...just wish it was different and more "art" true than previous miniature true. I know they would be small items, but if there was a way to make the lasers independent from the torso, you could still have the same single torso, just add the lasers to the appropriate mech to make the correct variant.

Again, the decision was more for logistics than for aesthetics.  It is significantly easier for someone to take a file to those lasers than it would have been for me to pop them off, have them molded separately, and then have customers put them on themselves.  These things are also pretty integrated into the torso, they don't just sit on top.  Take a look at this picture:



The size of that thing is also tiny.  At it's thinnest, it would be about 1mm, which is too small to cast accurately. 

Again, you must realize that many decisions are made for manufacturing purposes rather than aesthetics.  My justification may have included the clicky mini, but far more went into the decision than that.

Now...before anyone harps on me for it, yes...I know, things are done certain ways just because they are requested to. I'm just a purist and love to see the miniature be "correct" for the status rather than the WizKidz miniatures.

I definitely appreciate all the work you're doing Stinger...thank you very much! I realize it's not "on the list of things to do" but I do wish we could get the arms & torso Ultra A/C for the C variant, as well as the correct arms for the D...but it is what it is.

Thanks!

You want more configs?? What's wrong with the ones you've got?? Lol.

I am not likely to revisit the project again any time soon, given that I already revisited it once to make the A config (I made Prime and B on my first run), but I can promise you that those shoulder lasers won't be going away.  The C config intrigues me, but the D config would look nearly identical to the prime config, and wouldn't be worth the time or effort.

Anyways, I have some other minis that may or may not be coming up soon, so you all will just have to wait!

Thank you all for the compliments, these were all really fun to work on.  I am glad you like them!


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« Reply #17 on: 24 February 2015, 19:18:38 »
Am I the only Artic Wolf Omni fan out there? :( Still, bring'em on!

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« Reply #18 on: 24 February 2015, 19:29:55 »
I love how spindly and unnatural the Aithon looks.  Exactly how something as bizarre as a QuadVee should look.  The Thor look good, too, and I'm not such a stickler about the guns.  Those could always be painted as shoulder detail, or empty housings.  I'm not sure the world was crying out for a Chimera resculpt, but I do love what you've done with the variant.  I'll be looking forward to grabbing one of those.

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« Reply #19 on: 24 February 2015, 19:43:34 »
30 seconds with a Stanley Knife, followed by a little filing, are going to remove that laser for those inclined to do that.

Did you do the Arctic Wolf II also, Stinger?
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« Reply #20 on: 24 February 2015, 19:45:26 »
I love how spindly and unnatural the Aithon looks.  Exactly how something as bizarre as a QuadVee should look.  The Thor look good, too, and I'm not such a stickler about the guns.  Those could always be painted as shoulder detail, or empty housings.  I'm not sure the world was crying out for a Chimera resculpt, but I do love what you've done with the variant.  I'll be looking forward to grabbing one of those.

To be honest, the Chimera was something that I personally wanted to do, and IWM was okay with making the mini, so bam! We now have a new Chimera.

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« Reply #21 on: 24 February 2015, 19:48:35 »
30 seconds with a Stanley Knife, followed by a little filing, are going to remove that laser for those inclined to do that.

Did you do the Arctic Wolf II also, Stinger?

Yep! Everything you see in this preview is from me. 

The Arctic Wolf II was a fun one to do.  You'll notice is a fine blend between the source art and various other MW4 related sources.  Also, you may have noticed some recent Errata for 3085 record sheets and 3085 supplemental, all of that was so we could make the configs match the art for the prime variant.

I am pretty happy with how it turned out...

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« Reply #22 on: 24 February 2015, 20:04:58 »
Each will be individual sku and package except the Arion QuadVee, which will have parts for to make one or other.

Any idea what the cost difference, as a rough percentage, would be to have both modes of the QuadVee in the one pack? 

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« Reply #23 on: 24 February 2015, 21:00:13 »
Any idea what the cost difference, as a rough percentage, would be to have both modes of the QuadVee in the one pack?

Minimal.

Reason is that the Arion has a lot of parts.  Like a lot.  This is not going to be a beginners miniature.  The only parts difference between the two modes is the feet/stowed feet.  2 Unique parts to the tank mode, 4 small feet for the 'Mech mode. 

As soon as the master copies are cast and sent to me, I plan on writing up a how to assemble guide, that hopefully some of my camospecs friends can get posted over there.

Speck may be able to comment more. If the parts have been cast (which, to my knowledge, they have not been), they would have a better idea.

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« Reply #24 on: 24 February 2015, 21:07:59 »
Again, the decision was more for logistics than for aesthetics.  It is significantly easier for someone to take a file to those lasers than it would have been for me to pop them off, have them molded separately, and then have customers put them on themselves.  These things are also pretty integrated into the torso, they don't just sit on top.  Take a look at this picture:



The size of that thing is also tiny.  At it's thinnest, it would be about 1mm, which is too small to cast accurately. 

Again, you must realize that many decisions are made for manufacturing purposes rather than aesthetics.  My justification may have included the clicky mini, but far more went into the decision than that.

You want more configs?? What's wrong with the ones you've got?? Lol.

I am not likely to revisit the project again any time soon, given that I already revisited it once to make the A config (I made Prime and B on my first run), but I can promise you that those shoulder lasers won't be going away.  The C config intrigues me, but the D config would look nearly identical to the prime config, and wouldn't be worth the time or effort.

Anyways, I have some other minis that may or may not be coming up soon, so you all will just have to wait!

Thank you all for the compliments, these were all really fun to work on.  I am glad you like them!

I completely agree that the lasers can be cut off, and that at 1mm...it's too small to make as a separate piece, that's fine...same goes for the D variant, just needs different "nubs" on the ends of the arms to make it right. As far as the C...I'm tempted to order an A variant, flip the "LB-X" over and mount it on the shoulder as the Ultra A/C.

Speaking of that, will the LRM box on all of the Thor II's be a separate piece or part of the torso?

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« Reply #25 on: 24 February 2015, 21:17:07 »

Speaking of that, will the LRM box on all of the Thor II's be a separate piece or part of the torso?

Thanks!

Separate piece :)

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« Reply #26 on: 24 February 2015, 21:35:42 »
Awesome! It will make doing the C variant easier. Thanks!
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« Reply #27 on: 24 February 2015, 21:45:56 »
Minimal.

Reason is that the Arion has a lot of parts.  Like a lot.  This is not going to be a beginners miniature.  The only parts difference between the two modes is the feet/stowed feet.  2 Unique parts to the tank mode, 4 small feet for the 'Mech mode. 

As soon as the master copies are cast and sent to me, I plan on writing up a how to assemble guide, that hopefully some of my camospecs friends can get posted over there.

Speck may be able to comment more. If the parts have been cast (which, to my knowledge, they have not been), they would have a better idea.

The 3D printed parts are at IWM and I think molds are inprocess.

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« Reply #28 on: 24 February 2015, 22:07:21 »
My current Chimera keeps snapping off at the ankles so a replacement via resculpt is very welcome indeed.

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« Reply #29 on: 25 February 2015, 03:05:13 »
All of those look great. I can't wait to add the Grand Summoner and Arctic Wolf to my stars. My only complaint is that the missile pods on the Arctic Wolf look a little small to me. Maybe it's just the angle?

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« Reply #30 on: 25 February 2015, 04:57:37 »
Minimal.

Reason is that the Arion has a lot of parts.  Like a lot.  This is not going to be a beginners miniature.  The only parts difference between the two modes is the feet/stowed feet.  2 Unique parts to the tank mode, 4 small feet for the 'Mech mode. 

As soon as the master copies are cast and sent to me, I plan on writing up a how to assemble guide, that hopefully some of my camospecs friends can get posted over there.

Speck may be able to comment more. If the parts have been cast (which, to my knowledge, they have not been), they would have a better idea.

Thanks for the quick response, much appreciated.  Hopefully it is easier than putting together some of the chicken walkers.

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« Reply #31 on: 25 February 2015, 08:12:51 »
All of those look great. I can't wait to add the Grand Summoner and Arctic Wolf to my stars. My only complaint is that the missile pods on the Arctic Wolf look a little small to me. Maybe it's just the angle?

You are probably looking at the A, B or C Variants.  All of them only have an SRM 4 on each shoulder, so they have smaller missile pods.  From there, the prime variant does have the larger pods you would expect from the art or from Mechwarrior 4.

Thanks for the quick response, much appreciated.  Hopefully it is easier than putting together some of the chicken walkers.

I honestly am hoping too... as soon as I have a mini in hand I will let everyone know :)

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« Reply #32 on: 25 February 2015, 10:18:35 »
Now...before anyone harps on me for it, yes...I know, things are done certain ways just because they are requested to. I'm just a purist and love to see the miniature be "correct" for the status rather than the WizKidz miniatures.
Looking at the renderings, would it be possible to just file down the shoulder laser mounts for the varients that don't use them? (Ooops!  Looks like Stinger and Worktroll both beat me to this suggestions).   :-[

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« Reply #33 on: 25 February 2015, 14:14:49 »
I noticed that these are 3D printed.  Awesome!

I just want to be clear on one thing.  To make the Arion in vehicle mode and in walking mode, I will have to buy two?  I’m fine with that by the way, just want to plan my purchases.

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« Reply #34 on: 25 February 2015, 14:25:33 »
I noticed that these are 3D printed.  Awesome!

I just want to be clear on one thing.  To make the Arion in vehicle mode and in walking mode, I will have to buy two?  I’m fine with that by the way, just want to plan my purchases.

The master models are 3D printed and then cast like normal minis, kinda like the Ares tripods or any number of new models such as the new Black Knight or the Shockwave.

And yep, buy 2.

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« Reply #35 on: 25 February 2015, 16:55:47 »
You are probably looking at the A, B or C Variants.  All of them only have an SRM 4 on each shoulder, so they have smaller missile pods.  From there, the prime variant does have the larger pods you would expect from the art or from Mechwarrior 4.

I was actually referring to the Prime (my favorite variant). They just seem a bit small compared to the art, but again, it might just be the angle.

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« Reply #36 on: 25 February 2015, 23:05:51 »
I am shuddering in delight at these previews.  the Chimera was a real surprise, I did not realize Resculpting that was on the docket.  I always hated the aestheteic of the mech, now I might have to get at least that second variant if it looks good on the camo specs picture.

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« Reply #37 on: 26 February 2015, 07:37:53 »
For some reason, the previews don't excite me.  I suspect it is due to them being renders so I will eagerly await pics of minis to make a judgement. And I will most likely be getting the missile boat Thor. For some reason I've always liked that one.

Will these be sized the same as the 3050 clan omnis? It would be nice to have these additional arms and missile pods for the older stuff.

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« Reply #38 on: 26 February 2015, 07:52:08 »
For some reason, the previews don't excite me.  I suspect it is due to them being renders so I will eagerly await pics of minis to make a judgement. And I will most likely be getting the missile boat Thor. For some reason I've always liked that one.

Will these be sized the same as the 3050 clan omnis? It would be nice to have these additional arms and missile pods for the older stuff.

I can't 100% say how tall it will be in comparison, but I can tell you that this mini is 46mm tall to the top of the cockpit, and, checking the QCC forum, the plastic Thor was 48mm tall to the top of the cockpit.  So a little shorter, but in relative scale with the 3050 Thor and Loki. It will likely appear large compared to the Mad Cat/Vulture/Daishi/Warhawk because they are all a little smaller than most of the current stuff.  I'd take it to be in scale with the Mad Cat IV, Vulture IV, the upcoming Vulture III.

That's the best I can give for now until I have an actual mini in hand (cross my fingers: Should be soon).

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« Reply #39 on: 26 February 2015, 08:57:11 »
To be honest, the Chimera was something that I personally wanted to do, and IWM was okay with making the mini, so bam! We now have a new Chimera.

The sword was originally mocked up to be a traditional Sword in Fist, but we on the QCC forum decided to go with a Celestial-inspired under-slung blade.  And man did it turn out good.  A shout out to Dak and Gunji for all of the help on that thing.  I couldn't have done it without you guys!

Iron weight "Celestial-inspired under-slung blade" used for K-mech kuritan design?  :o  Really weird choice.

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« Reply #40 on: 26 February 2015, 09:36:59 »
Iron weight "Celestial-inspired under-slung blade" used for K-mech kuritan design?  :o  Really weird choice.

S-T, I originally used your Chimera with sword as inspiration, take a look at an early render:



http://bg.battletech.com/forums/miniatures/more-sworders-(wink)/msg646136/#msg646136

But we all agreed that putting the humanoid arm on such a non-humanoid 'Mech didn't just seem right, so I mocked up the underslug blade, and that one with everyone's opinion.

Nonetheless, thank you for the inspiration!
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« Reply #41 on: 26 February 2015, 10:46:56 »
I'm definitely going to get one of each of those Chimeras for my C3 SoL Company. I just gotta figure out where the $$$ is going to come from.  :-[
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« Reply #42 on: 26 February 2015, 12:34:38 »
So very excited. Thank you!

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Re: Web Only Previews
« Reply #43 on: 26 February 2015, 12:54:24 »
S-T, I originally used your Chimera with sword as inspiration, take a look at an early render:
But we all agreed that putting the humanoid arm on such a non-humanoid 'Mech didn't just seem right, so I mocked up the underslug blade, and that one with everyone's opinion.
Nonetheless, thank you for the inspiration!

And thank you for an answer too, Stinger.  O0


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« Reply #44 on: 26 February 2015, 13:06:16 »
So the two Chimera sculpts aren't on the release schedule post. What else are you hiding from us Speck?  ;)
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Re: Web Only Previews
« Reply #45 on: 26 February 2015, 13:25:02 »
So the two Chimera sculpts aren't on the release schedule post. What else are you hiding from us Speck?  ;)

Just wait for Gencon, Baron...   ;D

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Re: Web Only Previews
« Reply #46 on: 26 February 2015, 13:42:00 »
But we all agreed that putting the humanoid arm on such a non-humanoid 'Mech didn't just seem right, so I mocked up the underslug blade
A tonfa-blade style would keep the hand occupied, fitting more with the rules.
http://www.tonfa.org/tonfa-blades

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« Reply #47 on: 26 February 2015, 14:59:09 »
A tonfa-blade style would keep the hand occupied, fitting more with the rules.
http://www.tonfa.org/tonfa-blades

Milspec article about that version of Chimera, say: "sword"
And, because Independent Weaponry made in before introduction of Celestial series, the first five prototypes definitely had No-Dachi-style swords. But... IW plant been destroyed, and new Chimeras been made some time later, close to the end of Jihad, and by Kressly Warworks, which, as former blakist plant, could use fixed Retractable blades instead.

I have no qualms about type of handheld weapon, but, I suppose, it need some refining, and detailing -

Just make it prettier, Stinger, please. 

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« Reply #48 on: 26 February 2015, 15:59:38 »
Just make it prettier, Stinger, please.

A few things. First, when I used the words "Celestial Inspired" I am not saying fluff-wise but real world inspiration. As such, I'll let the writers handle the reasoning, all I know is that this is the style that the art director also preferred, so that is what I went with.

Second, these are not work in progress screenshots, these are final submissions and will be sent to the 3D printer soon, so there won't be any further changes.

Lastly, again, this is a sword, not a retractable blade, and again, it was real world reasons that the blade is underslung.

Anyways, I never thought of the Chimera as a pretty Mech. It's an inhuman war machine, and I feel that my mini reflects that  >:D

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« Reply #49 on: 26 February 2015, 19:53:55 »
Well I think the 2K Chimera looks good.  O0
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« Reply #50 on: 26 February 2015, 20:48:41 »
Well I think the 2K Chimera looks good.  O0

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« Reply #51 on: 26 February 2015, 20:53:49 »
The real test is, "Will the ankles stay glued if I look at them sideways?" :D
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« Reply #52 on: 26 February 2015, 20:57:46 »
The real test is, "Will the ankles stay glued if I look at them sideways?" :D

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« Reply #53 on: 26 February 2015, 21:09:10 »
The real test is, "Will the ankles stay glued if I look at them sideways?" :D

I can't guarantee anything, man do I hope so...

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Re: Web Only Previews
« Reply #54 on: 27 February 2015, 01:41:01 »
The Scarabus and Berserker, for example, carry "hatchets" but have the underslung blades as well. That aesthetic has been well established in Battletech already.

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« Reply #55 on: 27 February 2015, 05:29:32 »
Besides, a quick google search for "forearm sword" gives this result:


I mean, hey, it's Punisher approved  }:)

While it may not be the most "Kuritan" looking sword, a chicken Walker like the Chimera carrying a Ninja-to or similar blades just feels wrong in my opinion and looks rather odd. The underslung sword feels much more in line with the overall aesthetics of the Chimera. But ymmw ...

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« Reply #56 on: 27 February 2015, 06:05:47 »
Besides, a quick google search for "forearm sword" gives this result:


I mean, hey, it's Punisher approved  }:)

While it may not be the most "Kuritan" looking sword, a chicken Walker like the Chimera carrying a Ninja-to or similar blades just feels wrong in my opinion and looks rather odd. The underslung sword feels much more in line with the overall aesthetics of the Chimera. But ymmw ...
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« Reply #57 on: 27 February 2015, 08:42:03 »
You guys know I'm a MASSIVE stickler for things looking like they should...especially multiple variants...

Honestly with the Chimera CMA-2K, at first glance, the purist in me says that the Chimera CMA-2K does NOT have a sword (mostly because House Kurita is very "Samurai" like with their curved swords)...BUT, having an open mind for looks of variants with no art...I honestly like it! I think it's a unique version, "blade" or "sword"...this one doesn't matter to me. And as Gunji pointed out...



That is technically called a "forearm sword"...so I'm good with it! If I had a reason for more than one...I'd honestly buy more -2K variants than the -1S resculpt.

I think Stinger did an awesome job on this one, and the art person who had the final say made the right call.
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Re: Web Only Previews
« Reply #58 on: 27 February 2015, 12:53:11 »
Oh! And I forgot to mention, that the missile covers on the Chimera are a separate part, so, you can leave it off if you wish...


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« Reply #59 on: 27 February 2015, 13:07:33 »
Hidden ace!  O0

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« Reply #60 on: 27 February 2015, 14:20:29 »
Oh! And I forgot to mention, that the missile covers on the Chimera are a separate part, so, you can leave it off if you wish...




Ahhhh...SELLING POINT!!! lol

Now I may have to sell off the old one I already have primed! hahaha
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« Reply #61 on: 27 February 2015, 15:13:12 »
Oh! And I forgot to mention, that the missile covers on the Chimera are a separate part, so, you can leave it off if you wish...



YESSSSSS!!!!!!!

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« Reply #62 on: 27 February 2015, 16:31:08 »
Oh! And I forgot to mention, that the missile covers on the Chimera are a separate part, so, you can leave it off if you wish...



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Re: Web Only Previews
« Reply #63 on: 27 February 2015, 19:35:01 »
The Scarabus and Berserker, for example, carry "hatchets" but have the underslung blades as well. That aesthetic has been well established in Battletech already.
The image of the Scarabus has no right hand at all (possibly replaced by the hatchet).  The Berserker's hatchet handle is bent 90 degrees but is still held by the right hand.  You might be thinking of the Nightsky.  It's the only 'Mech with a hand and underslung blade that comes to mind.

Besides, a quick google search for "forearm sword" gives this result:
http://hobby-store.biz/images/products/en/The_Punisher_HK-6090.jpg
That's what I was thinking of.  Note that part of the handle is held by the hand.

Regardless, it is what it is.  No offense intended Stinger.  The model looks great and matches what I've seen of the MW4(?) model quite well.  Bonus points for the separate missile door.  If I'm ambitious enough I'll mod one up to suit my own tastes.

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« Reply #64 on: 27 February 2015, 20:16:57 »
Nightsky! That's what I meant. :P

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« Reply #65 on: 28 February 2015, 13:26:18 »
Is the Chimera modeled after the Mechwarrior 4: Vengeance version? The similarities are real!

This raises my hopes for a MW4:Mercs Hellhound mini someday...

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« Reply #66 on: 28 February 2015, 13:30:38 »
Is the Chimera modeled after the Mechwarrior 4: Vengeance version? The similarities are real!

This raises my hopes for a MW4:Mercs Hellhound mini someday...

Both the Chimera and Arctic Wolf II art is directly based off of MW4, and I definitely hopped into the game and grabbed screenshots to help me with the design.

I am glad you like them!

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« Reply #67 on: 28 February 2015, 13:38:22 »
Doesn't Microsoft own the MW4 Hellhound art work?
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« Reply #68 on: 28 February 2015, 15:35:49 »
MW4 Chimera and Artic Wolf more or less became canon by the TRO artwork which at least was strongly inspired by the MW versions. As long as the MW4 Hellhound doesn't appear in canon artwork, the chance of getting a miniature from IWM is basically zero.

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« Reply #69 on: 28 February 2015, 18:44:36 »
MW4 Chimera and Artic Wolf more or less became canon by the TRO artwork which at least was strongly inspired by the MW versions. As long as the MW4 Hellhound doesn't appear in canon artwork, the chance of getting a miniature from IWM is basically zero.

Even though the MW4 version looks head-over-heels better than the canon version.

Looks like I need to buy a 3D printer and make my own! xD

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« Reply #70 on: 04 March 2015, 21:44:00 »
Oh! And I forgot to mention, that the missile covers on the Chimera are a separate part, so, you can leave it off if you wish...



That's a really nice touch.

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« Reply #71 on: 14 March 2015, 11:03:39 »
Look, this is all nice and well, but I just want one question answered;

Will there be a Loki/Hellbringer torso for the Thor II legs and arms?

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« Reply #72 on: 14 March 2015, 11:06:46 »
Look, this is all nice and well, but I just want one question answered;

Will there be a Loki/Hellbringer torso for the Thor II legs and arms?

Actually, if you look at the art, the only feature that the Loki II and the Thor II have in common are the feet. The legs are similar, as are the upper arms, but they are not the same, unlike the original Thor and Loki. As such, you'll have to wait until a Loki II is announced.

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« Reply #73 on: 15 March 2015, 00:55:11 »
Actually, if you look at the art, the only feature that the Loki II and the Thor II have in common are the feet. The legs are similar, as are the upper arms, but they are not the same, unlike the original Thor and Loki. As such, you'll have to wait until a Loki II is announced.

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You're breaking my heart over here, man. It's not like there was that much of a difference between the cruddy Dark Age models anyway. Who do I have to bribe/pummel/seduce to get a proper Loki II in the foreseeable future, then? There's figuratively no reason at all to even have the Clans in 3145 without one, might as well have written them out back in 3121. I weep inside, this shattering trauma wreaks hell upon my fragile emotional being, ye 'bringer of ill news.

Would it count as piracy if I had someone 3D print a torso for me? Seeing as the official model doesn't exist yet anyway. It would mean more business for IWM anyway as I'd have to get like 3 of the Thor IIs and turn 2 of them into Lokis.

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« Reply #74 on: 15 March 2015, 05:48:57 »
Yes it would.

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« Reply #75 on: 15 March 2015, 07:09:11 »
Well can I assume the pieces would be completely interchangeable between them if a Loki II were to be made? Considering how they feature the exact same construction and bar the torso the differences between them come down to a few changed armor panels.

Like yeah, I'd get one of these, because it's cool, nice job. I'd just prefer to get 2-3 of the other ones, but I can't possibly imagine that being high priority if new masters and molds are so expensive.

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« Reply #76 on: 15 March 2015, 10:08:49 »
That would not be an assumption I would make. It may happen but it may not.

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« Reply #77 on: 15 March 2015, 10:59:21 »
I'm not going to comment on the making of your own molds because of Rule 12,  but the parts for the Loki II are not necessarily going to be interchangeable with the Thor II.  It heavily depends on who is going to be sculpting the Loki II (which is not necessarily going to be me).

Heck, even if I did a Loki II, I would likely making some of the sockets larger than those of the Thor II because I possibly made them too small (I am still waiting on masters to know for sure).

Also, IWM will not release just a torso given the larger differences between the minis.  They are going to make quality mini that matches the art.  So, likely, it will be some time.

Take a look at the differences:


I can see that the torsos and hips are completely different.  The upper arms are similar, but the lower arms are as similar as the original thor's left and right arms.  The legs, while similar, have those added pistons and different geometry.  I know that for me as a CAD designer, that is not just a simple addition.

It is going to be a completely different mini, especially if alt configs are going to be included.

Sorry, but I think patience is the only solution for this problem for the foreseeable future...

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« Reply #78 on: 15 March 2015, 11:14:21 »
Different geometry?  Why didn't someone tell me we had another alternative besides Euclid and Cthulu? 

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« Reply #79 on: 15 March 2015, 11:31:55 »
Stinger peers into the 3D modeling abyss, I think it stares back into him!

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« Reply #80 on: 15 March 2015, 12:55:07 »
The differences in the weapons can be attributed to them having different armaments, with the Thor having UAC5s and the Loki having Gauss Rifles and Large Lasers. Being OmniMechs, this shouldn't be a very big deal, it would have been easy to magnetize too if metal models weren't so heavy. I'd chalk up most of the differences to it being a 2D drawing with attempts to make them look more dynamic, the exceptions being the pistons above the knees on the Loki and the groin area, which I believe there are some very simple solutions for - namely having the option to assemble the groin either way, with the back representing the Loki and the front representing the Thor. I vaguely recall some Clickytech models doing something like that, though that might just be genuine Chinese quality.

As far as staying true to the art is concerned quite a few of the recent miniatures are far more plain than the illustrations they were based on, an example being the Dragon II's cockpit. Doesn't make it any less of a cool model and a great replacement for the classic Grand Dragon, likewise if your Thor II doesn't conform entirely to some flat piece of art it won't degrade the overall appearance as long as it is consistently done well and the casting is on the mark - I'm going to spend more time looking at a tabletop model than any TRO art. I've been painting 3 Jenners recently, and I'm hungry for something new that doesn't look quite so downtrodden and miserable.

Still, with the whole point of OmniMechs being modular bits it would be pretty silly if at least the weapons for the 2015 Thor II and 2019 kickstarted Loki II weren't to be compatible, even if the latter is cast in hazardous chinese resin by trained mongolian cat-monkeys imported from the far east, or far west if you're on the west coast.

Again, I'd also expect the initial costs to be cheaper if you recycle existing components, which would increase the likelihood of the Loki happening. As this is not the case, well, guess I'll have to stock up on epoxy and plasticard.

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« Reply #81 on: 15 March 2015, 15:03:35 »
I just dug out the origina "art", the MWDA minis. The minis are the same from the knee down. That is it. Everything else is different and would need sculpted. I doubt it would be worth trying to recycle that little bit of the mini.

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« Reply #82 on: 16 March 2015, 10:39:47 »
I asked in another thread why IWM doesn´t throw away the old Ral Partha molds and redo the minis with the new tech. Some answered that there is no money and that there are license things that are costly as well. Now I see that a perfectly good mini (Chimera) is redone. Don´t get me wrong, I am not intending to complain but how does that make sense?

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« Reply #83 on: 16 March 2015, 11:51:51 »
I asked in another thread why IWM doesn´t throw away the old Ral Partha molds and redo the minis with the new tech. Some answered that there is no money and that there are license things that are costly as well. Now I see that a perfectly good mini (Chimera) is redone. Don´t get me wrong, I am not intending to complain but how does that make sense?

Because this was an unsolicited mini. I personally did not like the current Chimera mini so I created a block out. From there I asked IWM if they'd like to redo it. If they said no, then that would have been the end of the line. They decided to accept it and with that, we have a new Chimera.

It is uncommon but definitely not unheard of for sculptors to directly submit ideas.

There were concessions made because it was a resculpt, but those details are private.

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« Reply #84 on: 17 March 2015, 04:11:14 »
Hello Stinger, thanks for the explanation. Is there any chance to get some pictures on how this work is actually done? I always wondered how such miniatures are done, yet I have never seen any visual content of how sculptors do their work. Would be so interesting.

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« Reply #85 on: 17 March 2015, 11:00:36 »
Different sculptors use different methods. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but Stinger is using CAD to digitally draw/sculpt the minis which will then be 3D printed to create the "Master" sculpt. Other sculptors, like B-3 (who is doing the sculpting for the Fan Financed minis), use the "old school" method of physically sculpting the master out of clay/green stuff/etc.
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« Reply #87 on: 17 March 2015, 19:20:22 »
I envy anyone who can use green stuff.  All I was able to sculpt with it was the IDC-B10B Indiscernible Blob from an old Mecha Press magazine. 

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« Reply #88 on: 17 March 2015, 20:22:35 »
Hello Stinger, thanks for the explanation. Is there any chance to get some pictures on how this work is actually done? I always wondered how such miniatures are done, yet I have never seen any visual content of how sculptors do their work. Would be so interesting.

Actually, I already started a lengthy post going over my processes in word a week or two ago. I'll get it posted soon!

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« Reply #89 on: 18 March 2015, 07:46:50 »
Oh cool, thank you. Hope we will see what tools you use and how you operate. The feature on the Pulverizer had no images that show how the actual work is done.

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« Reply #90 on: 18 March 2015, 08:57:17 »
Hope we will see what tools you use and how you operate. The feature on the Pulverizer had no images that show how the actual work is done.
Tools: Dentist tools, clay shapers, needles, toothpicks, files, knives, ... whatever works.
How to operate them: Carve, press, file, shape, push, drill, ... whatever works.

As with painting there are many ways to get specific results. To get a panel line on a flat piece of Green Stuff you could press the line into the putty while the putty is still soft, carve it out of the putty once it is cured, ...

A common method to get mechanical shapes like Mechs is to roughly shape the putty (using your fingers or clay shapers or whatever tool works for you) while it is soft, the, after the putty is cured, file, sand, carve, the shapes and angles you want, using the appropriate tools. To add detail, more layers of putty are added. But this is not the only way. As with painting, different sculptors have different ways to achieve similar results. As with painting, a lot is try/error and experience.

Basically, when not doing CAD work on a computer, you have a set of materials (two part epoxy like Green Stuff being the most common) and use whatever tools work for you to manipulate the putty/materials to take the desired shape. Work is usually done inside to outside.

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« Reply #91 on: 18 March 2015, 18:25:27 »
As a side note, it's important to work with metal and hard-curing resin putties because of the process by which mini moulds are made.

The "master" figure is pressed into disks of molten silicone compounds, and then put under pressure to make sure the silicone squeezes into all the gaps, panel lines, barrel tips, etc. If - like me - you made your mini, the "master", using balsa wood and plastic tubing, it's about this time it collapses/bursts into flame/melts/all of the above.

One consequence of this process is that once the pressure's removed and the master taken out, the void in the mould may be slightly smaller than the original master. This is known as "the squeeze". It's unpredicable, sometimes affecting all three dimensions more or less equally, and sometimes only one (eg. thickness). Sometimes it doesn't happen at all, and the mini ends up slightly larger than expected. The problem is the whole mastering process consumes time & money as well, so the makers can't automatically just throw the mould out & start again unless the result is considered "that bad".

Note that "the squeeze" remains an issue for spin-cast minis, whether masters are made by hand, digitally, or gnawed out of sandstone by trained beavers.
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« Reply #92 on: 18 March 2015, 20:40:15 »
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« Reply #93 on: 19 March 2015, 00:33:31 »
Wow, I already thought that this is the way minis are done but I was so insecure about it. Thats pretty the work I have done for years as a dental technician, isn´t it. Maybe I should get my stuff together and try to do it myself then ::). Would be a hell of a challenge, but it could be fun. Haven´t done this work since 12 years.

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« Reply #94 on: 19 March 2015, 16:00:02 »
Domi, I think it's safe to say most of us who kitbash would lust after the array of tools, picks, compounds, and drills available in your day job O0
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« Reply #95 on: 19 March 2015, 18:14:09 »
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« Reply #96 on: 20 March 2015, 07:11:33 »
Domi, I think it's safe to say most of us who kitbash would lust after the array of tools, picks, compounds, and drills available in your day job O0

I didn´t use anything that you couldn´t buy. Maybe you have to ask your local dentist to order something for you if you need for example a ModellVibrator or Alginate. most tools can be ordered via Dentists. They arent cheap. A hook probe costs about 18€, but its prime quality and almost indestructible. Dental tools are superb to work with. Especially if you work with green stuff or Fimo.

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« Reply #97 on: 20 March 2015, 21:14:55 »
Oh, for those of you interested in the methods to my madness, check out this thread!
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/iron-wind-metals-news-and-announcements/making-of-a-miniature/

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« Reply #98 on: 22 March 2015, 05:54:42 »
Thats quite interesting. but I am more interested into the way the "manual" guys do it. Although I like the new 3D printed minis best. It would be nice if IWM could print a mark on the blisters when they get shipped, so people could see how their mini was casted.

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« Reply #99 on: 22 March 2015, 07:13:14 »
Thats quite interesting. but I am more interested into the way the "manual" guys do it. Although I like the new 3D printed minis best. It would be nice if IWM could print a mark on the blisters when they get shipped, so people could see how their mini was casted.

When they are caste and shipped for the consumer they are casted the same. The biggest difference between hand sculpted and 3D CAD / printed is the master stage of mold making. If it's CAD, then it's a 3D printed master that is used for the master. While hand sculpted master is what is turned in by the sculpter. There could be some other differences but that is the biggest.

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« Reply #100 on: 29 March 2015, 20:40:06 »
Here is a little more on the whole mold/casting etc. I just wish I could find something like what you are asking for... http://www.purplepawn.com/2010/03/the-convoluted-story-of-iron-wind-metals-ral-partha-and-battletech-miniatures/

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« Reply #101 on: 31 March 2015, 08:46:53 »
Wish there was article like that showing what it's like today.
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