Non SLDF warships which went on exodus?

[Sjhernan3060]

I have been interested to see that a number of non SLDF warships such as the Du Shi Wang went joined the exodus fleet.

Did ships from all the various house fleets join? The ships were salvage rather than defectors I would think?

[Weirdo]

We know of one Du Shi Wang, and an unknown number of Davions and Samarkands. Unknown if any Makos went, I kinda have a twitch in the back of my mind that we saw one in Society service, though I could be wrong.

I don't think there's anything that even remotely suggests that any other House-built ships went.

[Sjhernan3060]

We know of one Du Shi Wang, and an unknown number of Davions and Samarkands. Unknown if any Makos went, I kinda have a twitch in the back of my mind that we saw one in Society service, though I could be wrong.

I don't think there's anything that even remotely suggests that any other House-built ships went.

Weirdo glad you are weighing in on this! Mako did reappear like many others during the wars of reaving.

The du shi wang was captured by the SLDF but what about other possibilities? Tharkad? Atreus? Rim worlds salvage?

[Weirdo]

No evidence to support any of them.

[Weirdo]

Bear in mind, there's no indication of the SLDF ever capturing any House warships aside from that one Du Shi Wang. Capturing ships is REALLY HARD. You need absolutely overwhelming numbers, and the risks for the marines in question make slapping a forcibly-shaved Elemental look like a quiet activity suitable to the ailing elderly. And if you try to make their jobs easier by shooting said ship, odds are the final product won't be worth salvaging. (This is especially true when you consider the odds of a battle occurring in a system with a convenient major shipyard, or the odds that League admirals will send a Newgrange into a recent battle zone.)

[dgorsman]

Wasn't there a number of defections during the build up to retake the Hegemony?  I can remember at least one Combine battleship mentioned.

[Sjhernan3060]

Wasn't there a number of defections during the build up to retake the Hegemony?  I can remember at least one Combine battleship mentioned.

That’s what I was wondering. While I don’t think whole squadrons joined up, surely ships in ones or twos joined up during or evening after the drive on terra. Any non SLDF ship would’ve likely been cached as they would not have been as high tech as the SLDF warships

[Stormlion1]

Maybe early on in the SLDF's campaign but after one or two the House Lords would clamp down on those very expensive assets.

[Sjhernan3060]

While none of the houses really helped the SLDF did any provide any kind of support such as leases of ships?

[Weirdo]

Not really. Maybe some very clandestine logistical support, but no ships aside from that note about two Combine battleships. Take that last bit with a grain of salt, as we know the Combine never had any battleships.

[jimdigris]

It is my understanding that membership in the Star League required that all member states provide a certain number of troops and ships to the SLDF.  In the Reunification War, the Capellans gave the Star League Navy the majority of their "warships" in place of ground troops.  They didn't bother to mention that their donations were simply up-gunned civilian ships that they were going to throw in the recycle bin anyway.

[Sjhernan3060]

It is my understanding that membership in the Star League required that all member states provide a certain number of troops and ships to the SLDF.  In the Reunification War, the Capellans gave the Star League Navy the majority of their "warships" in place of ground troops.  They didn't bother to mention that their donations were simply up-gunned civilian ships that they were going to throw in the recycle bin anyway.

Ha! Sun Tzu Liao would be proud

[Kojak]

Unknown if any Makos went, I kinda have a twitch in the back of my mind that we saw one in Society service, though I could be wrong.

Not quite in Society service, but the Mako-class CBS Stone Crab and CBS Ingrid Bucharev were both part of the fleet of the resurrected Clan Burrock during the latter half of the Wars of Reaving, and the Mako-class Fuchida was operated by the bandits under the command of Russou Howell until it was destroyed by the Goliath Scorpions at Waypoint 531.

[Sjhernan3060]

Not quite in Society service, but the Mako-class CBS Stone Crab and CBS Ingrid Bucharev were both part of the fleet of the resurrected Clan Burrock during the latter half of the Wars of Reaving, and the Mako-class Fuchida was operated by the bandits under the command of Russou Howell until it was destroyed by the Goliath Scorpions at Waypoint 531.

Yes correct, those makos is what started me on this thread did any big ships besides the su wang join exodus? I am currently rereading operation Klondike and it states that the SLDF bought up every jump and drop ship they could. Would the Tharkad class ship or similar class ship have been an option for purchase?

[Weirdo]

The Makos were bought during the best years of the a League, the peak of an unimaginably vast economy, and are some of the smallest Warships ever built.

At the time of the Exodus, all humanity had just seen their golden age tear itself apart, the core of human civilization was in ruins, nobody knew if the most powerful general alive was going to turn on everyone else, and the entire Inner Sphere was gearing up for a war that for many would prove to be literally apocalyptic. Honestly, I'd be surprised if the Lyrans would be willing to sell Kerensky machine gun ammo, much less any of the battlecruisers that are the pride of their nation.

[Sjhernan3060]

The Makos were bought during the best years of the a League, the peak of an unimaginably vast economy, and are some of the smallest Warships ever built.

At the time of the Exodus, all humanity had just seen their golden age tear itself apart, the core of human civilization was in ruins, nobody knew if the most powerful general alive was going to turn on everyone else, and the entire Inner Sphere was gearing up for a war that for many would prove to be literally apocalyptic. Honestly, I'd be surprised if the Lyrans would be willing to sell Kerensky machine gun ammo, much less any of the battlecruisers that are the pride of their nation.

Makes sense. The mako was noted as being sold to both sides during the Amaris war and they were quite common. The tharkad however would have been deemed too valuable to sell?

[Weirdo]

Absolutely. Also, I don't think the Makos were sold during the Amaris war - they were probably sold long before that began, when times were still good, and were simply still in service on both sides when war broke out.

[dgorsman]

I could see SL crews going to a Lyran naval boneyard, and simply taking what they could get up and running quickly.  Perhaps even some ships the Lyrans were bringing online for themselves.

[Jellico]

Makos are described as being used as couriers by the SLDF pre war.

A lot were built and a lot were acquired by non Lyrans.

[NutritiousSlop]

Not quite in Society service, but the Mako-class CBS Stone Crab and CBS Ingrid Bucharev were both part of the fleet of the resurrected Clan Burrock during the latter half of the Wars of Reaving, and the Mako-class Fuchida was operated by the bandits under the command of Russou Howell until it was destroyed by the Goliath Scorpions at Waypoint 531.

Came here to post this.  I think it's reasonable to assume that there's more caches like Waypoint 531 out there, and you could make a case for older House-built ships being in the Exodus fleet. 

I could even see an argument that you'd get a weird Periphery ship like a Wagon Wheel that was captured in drydock and pressed into service in the Amaris War, but got used to guard rear areas and convoys in safe areas since it's not very good and repair would be difficult. 

Though I would be curious as to how the Clans would manage a Stefan Amaris-class battleship. 

[Sjhernan3060]

Came here to post this.  I think it's reasonable to assume that there's more caches like Waypoint 531 out there, and you could make a case for older House-built ships being in the Exodus fleet. 

I could even see an argument that you'd get a weird Periphery ship like a Wagon Wheel that was captured in drydock and pressed into service in the Amaris War, but got used to guard rear areas and convoys in safe areas since it's not very good and repair would be difficult. 

Though I would be curious as to how the Clans would manage a Stefan Amaris-class battleship.

Unless it was explicitly stated like for the Luxor and the Amaris class that they were all destroyed I would like for story purposes to have some of a given class out there waiting in a cache

[jimdigris]

I really don't think that anyone needed to raid an old boneyard.  Each major house was required to contribute ships and crews in the normal course of events.  Vessels of all classes were with the SLDF throughout the Star League era and fought under Kerensky during the war to liberate Terra.  Their crews may simply have gotten so accustomed to following Kerensky's lead that they left with him.

[Weirdo]

That's only true at the SLDF's founding. By the coup, it was a completely independent military, there is no evidence it drew units or equipment from member forces.

[Sjhernan3060]

I really don't think that anyone needed to raid an old boneyard.  Each major house was required to contribute ships and crews in the normal course of events.  Vessels of all classes were with the SLDF throughout the Star League era and fought under Kerensky during the war to liberate Terra.  Their crews may simply have gotten so accustomed to following Kerensky's lead that they left with him.

Did they have to supply all types of ships? I see a good amount of escort and destroyer types but nothing at the cruiser weight.

[Sjhernan3060]

I really don't think that anyone needed to raid an old boneyard.  Each major house was required to contribute ships and crews in the normal course of events.  Vessels of all classes were with the SLDF throughout the Star League era and fought under Kerensky during the war to liberate Terra.  Their crews may simply have gotten so accustomed to following Kerensky's lead that they left with him.

Hmmmm a Tharkad IIc Manned by the diamond sharks “ opening new markets” in Lyran space would have been pretty cool...

[Colt Ward]

Came here to post this.  I think it's reasonable to assume that there's more caches like Waypoint 531 out there, and you could make a case for older House-built ships being in the Exodus fleet. 

Waypoint 531 was a Blakist built cache, something designed to be a closer source of resupply for the Blakist led holy war against the Clans.

[Sjhernan3060]

Waypoint 531 was a Blakist built cache, something designed to be a closer source of resupply for the Blakist led holy war against the Clans.

The cache in vinton however would fit the bill:    https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Vinton

[jimdigris]

That's only true at the SLDF's founding. By the coup, it was a completely independent military, there is no evidence it drew units or equipment from member forces.

By the coup, where did it get it's resources?  Did the member states send cash and simply allow the SLDF quartermaster to do what was necessary?

[Weirdo]

If by sending cash, you mean taxes, then yes.

[Wotan]

Hegemony taxes were definitely used by the Amaris Empire. I'm not sure what SL taxes the other states had to pay.
SLDF had the Rim Worlds for supplies and used whatever stockpiles they had within the realms of the other states. There was no large industry to support - but their enemy suddenly had it.
There is a reason why that war was horrible in men and material.

[Stormlion1]

It counts on the states and how they treated Kerensky during the Amaris Coup. The FedSuns and Lyrans were noted for material aid while the Combine wouldnt let a screw loose without a struggle. I can easily see some of the states allowing there ships to take over for SLDF units in the Periphery but not for major combat operations.

[RifleMech]

I would think for the exodus Kerensky would be actively seeking transport ships more than he would warships. Anything with a large cargo capacity that he could get his hands on. I think that'd mean he'd be more likely to buy jumpships from the Houses than Warships. Not that I think the Houses would want to risk having their warships turned against them. I think if the Houses were to sell warships to Kerensky after the Civil War they'd be old long retired warships that had been stripped of weapons, than anything the Houses would likely want to use themselves.

I also think Kerensky would try to refurbish every ship in SLDF and RWR bone yards with large cargo and dropship capacities that he could. It'd help hide his ship numbers from possibly hostile houses and periphery.

[Maingunnery]

Could the Makos have been salvaged during the periphery uprising by the SLDF?

[Weirdo]

To supplement the ones they already had?

[truetanker]

I know Kerensky took some Avatars for their cargo capacity, maybe a Sylvester but definitely Carracks...

For jumpers the highest collar amount one can get, I have a pet peeve about why the Invader-C is such a crappy ship... it was replaced by the Odyssey-class jumper. Since were told that from ye ol' battlespace that the clans use a Invader variant, the Invader-C.

Heavier yes, but size isn't everything. At a glance both look the same so misinterpreted? And/or mis-identified by Comstar.

TT

[Weirdo]

Invader-Cs? They just use plain old Invaders, just like they use Star Lords, Monoliths, and whatnot.

[jimdigris]

Now that I think about it, the Field Report 2765 ships probably were at their highest proportion during the Coup.  Kerensky needed to replace his ships and couldn't do so from the Hegemony shipyards.  The other house lords (CC, FS, LC) would have been happy to sell to him because it meant revenue for the treasury and jobs for their realms.  It also would make it easier to keep their own naval numbers up because warships made in bulk are cheaper.  There are real-world examples that operate right now, which I will not mention to avoid politics.

[truetanker]

Invader-Cs? They just use plain old Invaders, just like they use Star Lords, Monoliths, and whatnot.

Except we don't know how many, if any, are of new builds. Centuries old constructs or a more recent one, it's also explicitly explained as the clans also use the Invader in their toumans called Invader-C. ( Which I believe is Clan ER Larges or ER PPCs, though a Large Pulse Laser may work as well, since it has enough Single Heat Sinks to counter the heat loads. )

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[Weirdo]

There is no evidence whatsoever that the House Lords sold WarShips to Kerensky during the Amaris war, or after. None.

[Stormlion1]

Also note the House Lords were hostile to Kerensky after the Amaris Coup ended. The last thing they wanted to do was give him more power. Not while they were all positioning themselves to take the Star League throne.

[jimdigris]

Also note the House Lords were hostile to Kerensky after the Amaris Coup ended. The last thing they wanted to do was give him more power. Not while they were all positioning themselves to take the Star League throne.

I was speaking of the time during the war. I agree with you after the war ended.

[jimdigris]

There is no evidence whatsoever that the House Lords sold WarShips to Kerensky during the Amaris war, or after. None.

It was not mentioned, but that isn’t evidence that they didn’t. We can only speak of possibilities, barring a ruling from a writer.

[Weirdo]

They were pretty hostile during the war as well. The most you got from the friendliest ones was free passage through their territory. Nothing more, or hardly anything at all.

It was not mentioned, but that isn’t evidence that they didn’t. We can only speak of possibilities, barring a ruling from a writer.

That's what the Non Canon Units and Fan Fiction forums are for, not up here.

[jimdigris]

Having just gone through the books, Houses Steiner, Davion, and Liao were not hostile to Kerensky, and the Combine was providing Kerensky with intelligence without him knowing.  However, the book states that they only gave him rights to transport and use their bases.  Therefore, I concede that Kerensky was unlikely to have purchased warships during the coup.

[Jellico]

What ships were available for sale?

The 2750 era reports should make the limited numbers clear.

[dgorsman]

What are the thoughts on the SL Navy having some member state vessels (even if maintaining older ones) for OpFor training?

[RifleMech]

What are the thoughts on the SL Navy having some member state vessels (even if maintaining older ones) for OpFor training?

I suppose it could happen. Although I think they'd be more likely to keep some of their own retired ships, the ones they were selling, than buy others retired ships.

[Jellico]

There is not much doubt that it happened. Ships like the Samarkand and Mako are specifically stated as being sold. The doubt is over more high value units like the Atreus or Tharkad.

[Sjhernan3060]

There is not much doubt that it happened. Ships like the Samarkand and Mako are specifically stated as being sold. The doubt is over more high value units like the Atreus or Tharkad.

Even one tharkad would have been a sizable chunk of the Lyran navy and was pretty top of the line during the coup right?

[Weirdo]

Not just during the coup. Any time.

The Davions were the largest ships known to have been sold by the Houses to the SLDF, and they sucked. I highly doubt anything bigger was ever sold.

[truetanker]

I want to say every scrapable salvaged hunk of RWR hulks would be used.

TT

[Weirdo]

I want to say every scrapable salvaged hunk of RWR hulks would be used.

TT

Near as we can tell, that consisted of a single Avatar.

[Sjhernan3060]

There is not much doubt that it happened. Ships like the Samarkand and Mako are specifically stated as being sold. The doubt is over more high value units like the Atreus or Tharkad.

Here is a crazy question the founder of the Steiner blood house amongst the cobras, would this illegitimate scion have a sweet naval escort or would they have been just another grunt?

[Weirdo]

Maybe not 'just another grunt', but his resources would lie in the contacts in his address book, not for any resources assigned to him. Any WarShip in the same system as this guy is either there on coincidental business(REAL coincidences, not contrived ones), or is there to deliver the message that all his blood relatives just died and he's coming home NOW.

Neither situation would see a Lyran ship go on the Exodus.

My advice: Strongly consider the idea that the reason we've heard nothing about these major House WarShips going on the Exodus is that they didn't go on the Exodus.

[Sjhernan3060]

Maybe not 'just another grunt', but his resources would lie in the contacts in his address book, not for any resources assigned to him. Any WarShip in the same system as this guy is either there on coincidental business(REAL coincidences, not contrived ones), or is there to deliver the message that all his blood relatives just died and he's coming home NOW.

Neither situation would see a Lyran ship go on the Exodus.

My advice: Strongly consider the idea that the reason we've heard nothing about these major House WarShips going on the Exodus is that they didn't go on the Exodus.

Well stated I yield the floor 😀

[truetanker]

For a correction...

My advice: Strongly consider the idea that the reason we've heard nothing about these major House WarShips going on the Exodus is that they didn't go on the Exodus.

Unless said Warships decided on joining, rather than being deployed, somewhere else... after all people get tired of orders that see friends and crewmates die needlessly, slaughtered because of the chain in command demanded it. Call it mutiny or else, I for one would look for a peaceful way out. What's better a life on the run with fellow idealists or maybe die on the next time I enter combat... you decide.

Besides, Kerensky is a great general and a sound tactician! Why not join up?

TT

[Weirdo]

In a setting where every major faction has a secret police of some flavor or another? Good luck with that. And even if you could steal a WarShip and go AWOL, remember: even the House Lords were taken completely by surprise by the Exodus. How would ship captains know?

[jimdigris]

Speaking as someone who previously argued that there would be a few House-built warships among the SLN, I don't see anyone defecting from a house fleet to join Kerensky on the exodus.  Personality types who are promoted to command positions don't do that kind of thing.

[truetanker]

How would ship captains know?

What captains? If the crew wanted too...

TT

[jimdigris]

I suspect that warship crews are vetted for things like that.  Besides, it's a lot harder to convince enough of a crew to defect.  In real life, individual infantrymen have defected or deserted, but I can't recall a warship ever changing sides.  The only full mutiny I've heard of was the HMS Bounty.  There have been a few other cases where junior officers relieved the captain, but they didn't leave their navy.
Edit: Now that I think about it, at least one Russian flagship, the Potemkin, declared for the revolution when the the Romanovs fell.  But that was more of a mutiny than a defection and it was backed by a very visible civilian uprising.  And during WW1, a sizable number of German sailors rioted toward the end of the war after being confined in their ships and seeing no action for months.

[dgorsman]

In the BT universe, how likely is it there's a kommisar-type officer on WarShips, for each nation?

[truetanker]

Combine would have a detachment per Warship and at most a single officer for each Dropper /  Jumpship.

Cappella should have enough to cover every facet of transportation, ever conceived. They're completely paranoid and would turn in their mother and father if they could!

Steiner and Davion would answer in one national pride, after all " It's an Honor to serve for my crown! "

FWL is more like, who'll pay my bills is the person I'll support. To many factions in this faction!

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[Wotan]

The exodus was a complete secret. So no captain or crew of a member state warship should have known of anything. So no way for a defection to the exodus fleet.

[jimdigris]

In the BT universe, how likely is it there's a kommisar-type officer on WarShips, for each nation?

It wouldn't surprise me. 

[truetanker]

Pre selected personnel not outright, Who want's in?

I also want to say the various warships that went, were in a repair slip being refitted prior to the Exodus. Not active on the roster.

After all, it's easier to send a hull somewhere, people kinda talk about things they hear about...

TT

[Colt Ward]

Cappella should have enough to cover every facet of transportation, ever conceived. They're completely paranoid and would turn in their mother and father if they could!

Didn't we get a bit of fiction covering that with the cruiser that turned away the ELH from Milos the first time?  The captain ended up in a unhappy place b/c Sun-Tzu thought he was negligent in his duties not realizing the ELH would try again.

[Gaiiten]

It could have happened that the Exodus fleet captured ships which accidentally run into this fleet.

For example a Soyal cruiser could have been captured.

[Weirdo]

Except there's no evidence this happened.

[Wrangler]

For example a Soyal cruiser could have been captured.

Unfortunately, SLDF had low option on the Soyals when they rejected them and let Capellans and Free World League Navies buy them. The SLDF liked the more conventional Luxors instead of the oversize Battleship scale cruiser.  ;D

They had a lot handy Docking collars, but as combat ship, big fat nope as far i'm aware of exception for SLS Surprise that never finished being refitted with big mass gun to test out concept.

If Kerensky managed to acquire some of them during when he put out the call for Exodus, i'd be surprised.

[Weirdo]

I'd be extraordinary surprised. He didn't inform or invite non-SLDF ships. In fact, we know of exactly ONE person that went on the Exodus that wasn't SLDF or family - Raymond Sainze.

[dgorsman]

Weren't there a number of Rim Worlders included?  And they hired/purchased large numbers of JumpShips and DropShips in preparation.  Are you saying those were all re-crewed with solely SLDF navy personnel?   ???

[Wrangler]

I'd be extraordinary surprised. He didn't inform or invite non-SLDF ships. In fact, we know of exactly ONE person that went on the Exodus that wasn't SLDF or family - Raymond Sainze.

I think I'm on a different line though i'm on.  I'm not talking about individual people or owners of Warships.  He needed hulls, to haul the folks he was bringing with SLDF.  He could have arranged salvage of ships from the war or purchased them through different means without to draw attention. 

Despite what the Counsel lords rule, the SLDF still answered to him for the most part.  Bureaucracy of the Star League, such as what was left of the Terraforming groups and their ships could responded including their escorts for example.

[Ursus Maior]

Edit: Now that I think about it, at least one Russian flagship, the Potemkin, declared for the revolution when the the Romanovs fell.  But that was more of a mutiny than a defection and it was backed by a very visible civilian uprising.  And during WW1, a sizable number of German sailors rioted toward the end of the war after being confined in their ships and seeing no action for months.

The German sailors mutinied in 1918 after it became known that the German High Seas Fleet should sail towards England and challenge the Royal Navy to a fight in order to a) determine the winner of the war or b) die in the attempt of winning said battle. The German sailors chose not to commit to "mass-suicide by cop Royal Navy".

But there are two other examples for similar action, both from the Soviet Baltic Fleet. The first is that of Jonas Pleškys (a Lithuanian), captain of a submarine tender, who sailed his ship to Sweden. He asked for political asylum in Sweden and was then exfiltrated by the CIA. Sources claim, he wanted to sail to Talinn, then in the USSR, however.

The second example is that of the Soviet frigate Storozhevoy, a Krivak class vessel. The political commissar, one Captain Valery Sablin, detained the ship's captain, convinced the majority of the officers and almost all of the enlisted sailors to sail to Leningrad and broadcast a protest from aboard the old protected cruiser Aurora (a symbol for the original Russian Revolution) against the corruption of the Brezhnev era. The mutiny was discovered, before the ship left port, and subsequently all plans had to be rushed. The Storozhevoy left for Leningrad and was hunted down by half the Baltic fleet, including 60 warplanes. The frigate was attacked repeatedly, until she lay dead in the water, after which she was boarded. At that point the crew had already counter-mutined, freed the captain and non-fatally shot Captain Sablin. Captain Sablin was sentenced to death, his second in command, an enlisted sailor, was sentenced to eight years in prison and the rest of the mutinous crew was dishonorably discharged from the navy.

I think, both examples show the problems of mutiny on that scale, especially if one wants to take over a whole ship and sail it to some place else (which the German sailors never tried).

Nota bene: Both incidents from Soviet history together were merged by Tom Clancy into the plot of The Hunt for Red October.

[Weirdo]

I think I'm on a different line though i'm on.  I'm not talking about individual people or owners of Warships.  He needed hulls, to haul the folks he was bringing with SLDF.  He could have arranged salvage of ships from the war or purchased them through different means without to draw attention. 

Despite what the Counsel lords rule, the SLDF still answered to him for the most part.  Bureaucracy of the Star League, such as what was left of the Terraforming groups and their ships could responded including their escorts for example.

Those would still be Star League ships, not House ones.

[Colt Ward]

getting into semantics . . . his meaning is House designed vs League or Hegemony as you are aware.

While the Star League bought some Makos, I thought the Archon 'allowed' others to join the campaign against Aramis- after all it crushed the RWR which allowed the Lyrans to snap up undefended territory when Kerensky moved on Hegemony territory.  Which makes me wonder about the Soyal that was discovered crashed on the Lyran side of the LC/DC border.

[Gaiiten]

Except there's no evidence this happened.

A wise man once said, that the missing of evidence did not mean that there was no evidence.  ;)

Unfortunately, SLDF had low option on the Soyals when they rejected them and let Capellans and Free World League Navies buy them. The SLDF liked the more conventional Luxors instead of the oversize Battleship scale cruiser.  ;D

They had a lot handy Docking collars, but as combat ship, big fat nope as far i'm aware of exception for SLS Surprise that never finished being refitted with big mass gun to test out concept.

If Kerensky managed to acquire some of them during when he put out the call for Exodus, i'd be surprised.

IMHO they did even use outdated ships like the Quicksilver Mongoose. The Soyal was quite a better design, let it be only for its good transport capacity.

The Mass Driver could have been replaced with a number of different naval-grade weapons by the Clans.

[Weirdo]

getting into semantics . . . his meaning is House designed vs League or Hegemony as you are aware.

While the Star League bought some Makos, I thought the Archon 'allowed' others to join the campaign against Aramis- after all it crushed the RWR which allowed the Lyrans to snap up undefended territory when Kerensky moved on Hegemony territory.  Which makes me wonder about the Soyal that was discovered crashed on the Lyran side of the LC/DC border.

I believe the units you're thinking of are ground troops. Once again, nothing at all voices any impression that WarShips were sent to fight the Musketeer. The only exceptions are twobattleships sent by the Combine - a nation known to possess zero battleships.

A wise man once said, that the missing of evidence did not mean that there was no evidence.  ;)

WarShips make the news, especially when they change allegiance. If any had been transferred, it would be in a sourcebook. Ergo, until they're in a sourcebook, none have been transferred.

[Kit deSummersville]

I believe the units you're thinking of are ground troops. Once again, nothing at all voices any impression that WarShips were sent to fight the Musketeer. The only exceptions are twobattleships sent by the Combine - a nation known to possess zero battleships.

"Oh, you thought we meant Battle Ships? No, no, these are just ships that battle. Sorry, Google Translate failed me."

[Colt Ward]

*Kuritan shipyard work removes ERML from frigate class warship, installs standard Med Laser.  Kuritan diplomat turns to Kerensky's emissary*  Yes, we have just completed a refit of this vessel, our new battleship class . . . it and its sister ship will be sent to join General Kerensky's effort to retake Terra.

*elsewhere on the station, DCN accountants remove two surplus Age of War frigates from the active ship roll- transferred out as surplus battleships*

[Weirdo]

Acceptable when a sourcebook says it.

[Kit deSummersville]

ER Medium Lasers didn't show up until the 31st century in the Inner Sphere.

[Gaiiten]

WarShips make the news, especially when they change allegiance. If any had been transferred, it would be in a sourcebook. Ergo, until they're in a sourcebook, none have been transferred.

Agreed.
However, as far they have not been a statement that this did not happen, it might still be in a future sourcebook.

[rebs]

Given how vague the information available is about the Exodus, just about anything is possible.

But it would still be nice to get more detailed canon info one day.   

[Weirdo]

Agreed.
However, as far they have not been a statement that this did not happen, it might still be in a future sourcebook.

That's what I've been trying to say. If a future sourcebook says it happened, then it happened. Until then, we are as close as possible to 100% certain that it did not happen.

[Natasha Kerensky]

Did ships from all the various house fleets join? The ships were salvage rather than defectors I would think?

Per the SLSB, the SLDF raised 17 Volunteer Regiments from various House units and personnel who left their House militaries to join the fight against Amaris.  I think these were considered battlemech regiments, so there may have been other tank and infantry volunteer regiments, as well.  IIRC, later sourcebooks indicated or implied that a couple Clan founders, like Sandra Tseng, were among these House defectors who staffed the SLDF’s Volunteer Regiments.

It’s not clear whether these House defectors usually brought their equipment with them when they defected or whether they crewed machines supplied by the SLDF.

There must have been some aerospace types (fighter pilots and dropship/jumpship/warship crew) among the defectors.  If they brought their fighters and ships with them and survived the Amaris Crisis, then their fighters and ships would have been available to join the Exodus.

There’s no direct evidence that House warships joined the Exodus.  But for the sake of fan fiction or a homegrown campaign, if you really want a House warship design to end up in a Clan fleet, the SLDF Volunteer Regiments provide a plausible way for that to have happened consistent with canon lore.

[truetanker]

What about Pintos?

I mean, their RWR fleet warships.

Did all get destroyed?

TT

[nerd]

What about Pintos?

I mean, their RWR fleet warships.

Did all get destroyed?

TT

No, they exploded when taking a single Capital Missile to the aft armor.  ;D

[jimdigris]

A determined dropship or two could take down a Pinto.  I think that it is more of an assault ship with a K-F drive and the ability to engage in  orbital bombardment.
If you shoot at the thing, you will likely destroy it by default.

[dgorsman]

SLDF Navy probably used them for live fire training targets, similar to how the SLDF Army used captured Jackrabbits.