HBS Expansion Thread- its time for II (spoilers)

[DarkSpade]

Jump jets are equipment that can be added to any mech. Some aren't worth it though. I've always done better with grounded Orions, for example.

[Triptych]

My BK jumps too (though I use a mod to remove all the hardpoint restrictions to do it)  ;D

But then again I hardly need to worry about having an enemy mech behind my unit since my tactics always rely on massed LRM barrages at long range using sensor locks to bring the enemy down. If any of my opponents are foolish enough to get past that, I got a gauss rifle and an AC/10++ ready to headshoot them.  ;)

[Firesprocket]

My Black Knight has the majority of medium range weapons stripped for jumping and dfa boost.  It is armed only with 2 Large lasers and 2 small lasers.  Everything else is sinks and armor.  It is more or less my scout that gets an advanced init pilot.

Curiosity, anyone built a solid dfa build on anything?

[Colt Ward]

My BK jumps too (though I use a mod to remove all the hardpoint restrictions to do it)  ;D

See I play it straight- no mods so not everything can jump.

[DarkSpade]

See I play it straight- no mods so not everything can jump.

If you put jump jets on it, it can jump.  You don't need mods for that.  Just need jump jets.

[Luciora]

Maybe he meant he's not modding the mechs either if not catastrophically damaged?

If you put jump jets on it, it can jump.  You don't need mods for that.  Just need jump jets.

[Colt Ward]

No, unless it changed with a patch mechs that could not jump in BTU could not jump- for instance, no jumping Atlas b/c the AS7-D did not jump.

[Caedis Animus]

No, unless it changed with a patch mechs that could not jump in BTU could not jump- for instance, no jumping Atlas b/c the AS7-D did not jump.

Uh... The Atlas has been able to equip Jumpjets since the game came out. Hell, I put jumpjets on a Cent the first day I even had the game.

[Luciora]

Looks like he's playing with canon / vanilla configs only,  hence the statement of no modding.  Everyone enjoys the game in different ways.  I prefer an all jumping force myself, yet have some jumpless mechs too.

Uh... The Atlas has been able to equip Jumpjets since the game came out. Hell, I put jumpjets on a Cent the first day I even had the game.

[DarkSpade]

No, unless it changed with a patch mechs that could not jump in BTU could not jump- for instance, no jumping Atlas b/c the AS7-D did not jump.

Unless you are playing with self imposed restrictions,  there has never been anything in the game that prevents putting jump jets on any mech.

The only restriction the game has is the type of jump jets.  There's 3 kinds. I forget what they called them all, but they're based on weight. You can't take jump jets off a light mech and put them on a heavy.

[Colt Ward]

Hm, I would swear the little jump jet icon is grayed out for certain mechs but I have not had time to play for the last month so I could be wrong.

[Daryk]

Yes, jump jet icons for the wrong tonnage will be greyed out.  There are 0.5 ton, 1 ton, and 2 ton jump jets in the game, and there has never (yet) been a restriction on mounting them if you have the tonnage and they're the right kind for the 'mech.

[Colt Ward]

No, at the point they should hardpoint types it would lack or have grey'd out jump symbols.  But I could be mis-remembering the details.

[FedRatCowboy]

Hey just discovered that you can buy ECM and a Quasi-Beagle probe now.  They are one or the other. As in you cannot mount both on the same Mech. Not that you would want to...they are damn heavy and critical slot heavy,. the ECM weighs in at 6 tons, and the Beagle Probe is like 5.5 tons. I have encountered them in multiple shops in the CC, FS, and oddly enough the MoC. 

[Daryk]

What exactly do they do, though?  ???

[DarkSpade]

I'd assume they work like the raven, but with the two features separate.

[FedRatCowboy]

They do, but just not worth it IMHO.

[Firesprocket]

Assuming they haven't radically changed how ECM works, 6 tons is worth plugging it into a heavy or assault mech so I don't have to bring a Raven to hide behind.

[Caedis Animus]

Assuming they haven't radically changed how ECM works, 6 tons is worth plugging it into a heavy or assault mech so I don't have to bring a Raven to hide behind.

They recently made the AI more aggressive when going against ECM'd units. No clue on how much more, though.

[Firesprocket]

Guess I'll have to fire the game back up if I have time this week or next to see what the changes look like.

[Wrangler]

What stinks is i don't get alert from humble that my HBS Battletech game had changed.  I always find out the hardway.

[MoleMan]

Is the RAT still messed up?

[Luciora]

Considering the limited amount of mechs the game has in it as it is, not sure complaints of "X mech shouldn't be encountered" are valid. 

Is the RAT still messed up?

[Jayof9s]

Considering the limited amount of mechs the game has in it as it is, not sure complaints of "X mech shouldn't be encountered" are valid.

I'm pretty sure he's referring to the bug that was introduced with 1.7 that resulted in almost nothing but Commandos, Blackjacks, Black Knights, and Atlases to spawn.

[Mendrugo]

Hey just discovered that you can buy ECM and a Quasi-Beagle probe now.  They are one or the other. As in you cannot mount both on the same Mech. Not that you would want to...they are damn heavy and critical slot heavy,. the ECM weighs in at 6 tons, and the Beagle Probe is like 5.5 tons. I have encountered them in multiple shops in the CC, FS, and oddly enough the MoC.

Canonically, the MoC in this era has “a secret source of technology from beyond the Periphery” which other sources have hinted may be descendants of the Minnesota Tribe.

[Caedis Animus]

I'm pretty sure he's referring to the bug that was introduced with 1.7 that resulted in almost nothing but Commandos, Blackjacks, Black Knights, and Atlases to spawn.

If that's the case, I wonder if I should report the ABSOLUTELY INSANE NUMBER OF JAGERMECHS AND THUNDERBOLTS I FIGHT.

Oh, and that one mission where I encountered three Cyclops Zs, three Cyclops Qs, and a Cataphract and Banshee. (I see Qs a lot.)

[Sharpnel]

Canonically, the MoC in this era has “a secret source of technology from beyond the Periphery” which other sources have hinted may be descendants of the Minnesota Tribe.

Well, the MoC version of the ISF or Death Commandos is called the Ebon Magistrate. Draw your own conclusions.

[MoleMan]

I'm pretty sure he's referring to the bug that was introduced with 1.7 that resulted in almost nothing but Commandos, Blackjacks, Black Knights, and Atlases to spawn.

That's the one, basically alphabetical, guessing it's still there. May download one of the mods that add in all other era appropriate mechs

[DarkSpade]

Maybe too many Cataphracts and blackknights is their solution for the problem of too many thunderbolts and quickdraws?  ;D

[Jayof9s]

MoleMan - I know HBS is at least aware of the issue, not sure if there's been a patch for it yet. There is a mod someone made that corrects it to hold you over.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/battletech-mech-variety-has-disappeared.1245974 especially Reply #17 explains what happened