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That Mech is the Hunchback HBK-4G.  What does everyone else think of the Mech?
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Re: One Mech seems to be a smah hit with all my players.
« Reply #1 on: 24 June 2012, 14:08:48 »
It's slow, heavily armored for its size, and carries the biggest boomstick in 3025.

I don't particularly like it.  It's great for city fights, and if you're Lyran, but I prefer more mobile Mediums.  The Heavies and Assaults are what I prefer to be handling my heavy weapons.
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Re: One Mech seems to be a smah hit with all my players.
« Reply #2 on: 24 June 2012, 14:11:08 »
It's slow, heavily armored for its size, and carries the biggest boomstick in 3025.

I don't particularly like it.  It's great for city fights, and if you're Lyran, but I prefer more mobile Mediums.  The Heavies and Assaults are what I prefer to be handling my heavy weapons.

For a 3025 lance I would pair 2 HBK-4G's with 2 4R Enforcer's.

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« Reply #3 on: 24 June 2012, 14:12:50 »
It's a very interesting mech, both powerful and fragile. Not that easy to use, as it is a fire magnet, but when it gets into position it will often turn the tide ;)
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« Reply #4 on: 24 June 2012, 14:14:30 »
It's a very interesting mech, both powerful and fragile. Not that easy to use, as it is a fire magnet, but when it gets into position it will often turn the tide ;)

Yes the AC/20 once in range will just rip huge chunks off of it's targets.

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« Reply #5 on: 24 June 2012, 14:16:42 »
The Hunchie definitely needs a lance to complement its short-ranged loadout and lack of speed. It's great as the Mech that delivers the killing blow after its lancemates have weakened the enemy. By itself it is a sitting duck to many Mechs in its weight class. The other Level I varints go along way to making it a better all around Mech, but it isa bit too slow for a Medium even in the pre-Clan era
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Re: One Mech seems to be a smah hit with all my players.
« Reply #6 on: 24 June 2012, 14:22:58 »
For a 3025 lance I would pair 2 HBK-4G's with 2 4R Enforcer's.

What does everyone think of this as a lance?

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« Reply #7 on: 24 June 2012, 14:30:47 »
It's certainly workable.  Really it's the combination of slow and short-range that I dislike about the -4G.

Personally, I'd swap the HBK-4Gs for a pair of CN9-As.
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« Reply #8 on: 24 June 2012, 14:31:29 »
Good 'Mech, but harmless outside nine hexes. Plan accordingly.

For a 3025 lance I would pair 2 HBK-4G's with 2 4R Enforcer's.
What does everyone think of this as a lance?

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« Reply #9 on: 24 June 2012, 14:56:18 »
How does this 3025 lance sound, 2 Hunchbacks, and 2 Dervishs?

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« Reply #10 on: 24 June 2012, 15:26:43 »
 The mech is great in what we call a purcupine ball. 2 4G's,a 4P and a 4SP. Just run them all up together and unload.Works best in a dense area of cource or with a fire support lance backing them up and keeping your oponents ducking for cover.
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« Reply #11 on: 24 June 2012, 15:36:33 »
Honestly, I would not be running two of these in a lance-sized formation unless I was expecting tight terrain.  I would instead use one with a faster (preferably 5/8/5) medium brawler to draw some attention off it and a pair of longer ranged machines.  A sample lance would be one Hunchback, one Wolverine, one Dervish, and one Panther.

Another idea would be to fold it into a heavy lance where you can grab a good trooper to march in with it and get some heavy duty fire support platforms for your long ranged kick.  This might look like a Hunchback, Thunderbolt, Archer, and Marauder.


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« Reply #12 on: 24 June 2012, 17:30:35 »
The HBK is a great mech in games dominated by 4/6 heavies and troopers, due to the concentration of damage.  Falls a bit flat against 5/8/5s and 6/9/6s, but due to fluff and necessity, they're prevalent in my Liao and Canopian 'assault' units.

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« Reply #13 on: 24 June 2012, 19:01:21 »
They are pretty easy to take out tho. 94% armor is pretty good but some long range sniping should do the trick.
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« Reply #14 on: 24 June 2012, 19:50:44 »
Hunchback HBK-4G is one of those 'mechs that dominate games in small battlefields where the ML is king; that AC/20 boomstick generates a "bubble o' doom" that few 'mechs of any tonnage care to cross.

In city fighting it is good, but not great; the SL as the sole anti-infantry weapon and lack of jump jets really hurt it when you look at its armour.

When facing more mobile opponents with longer-ranged weapons in larger battlefields its limitations shine; its 4/6/0 MP makes it hard to put longer-ranged units in its sights.

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« Reply #15 on: 24 June 2012, 19:54:04 »
the 4G is great, but my fave is the 4P

double the total damage albeit spread all around
8 mediums and a buttload of sinks
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« Reply #16 on: 24 June 2012, 20:03:10 »
The 4G for me Has been like an NFL kicker. Either a hero (crushes every mech it meets) or a zero (gets backstabbed by a locust & gets crits on the ac or ammo). Never any middle ground.
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« Reply #17 on: 24 June 2012, 20:24:23 »
It's certainly workable.  Really it's the combination of slow and short-range that I dislike about the -4G.

Personally, I'd swap the HBK-4Gs for a pair of CN9-As.
It's only slow in the later years.  Around 3025 it's "average".

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« Reply #18 on: 24 June 2012, 20:29:54 »
Doesn't change that it's really short range.  It's great in a city, but anywhere else I'd rather have the Centurions for the extra range of the AC/10s.
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« Reply #19 on: 24 June 2012, 20:35:06 »
I've never been a fan of the Cent.

For the mediums I prefer Griffins.

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« Reply #20 on: 24 June 2012, 21:01:56 »
She's a nice brawler, unfortuneatly everyone knows it and pounds them from range if they can. I've had more luck with the SRM variant myself.
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« Reply #21 on: 24 June 2012, 21:12:40 »
Doesn't change that it's really short range.  It's great in a city, but anywhere else I'd rather have the Centurions for the extra range of the AC/10s.

well there is always the hunchy ac10 version with 4 mediums ;-)
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« Reply #22 on: 24 June 2012, 21:25:58 »
the 4G is great, but my fave is the 4P

double the total damage albeit spread all around
8 mediums and a buttload of sinks

Yeah, a lance of four Hunchback 4Ps are just fearsome in 3025. As long as you keep them together.

28 medium lasers and run for no heat... 32 mediums and run for a little heat when you need to really put the hurt on someone...

I've done this twice over the years in 3025 battles. Good times.

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« Reply #23 on: 24 June 2012, 21:35:55 »
Yea, the 4p is the 3025 version of the nova...mix in the 4sp for critseeking.
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« Reply #24 on: 24 June 2012, 21:58:20 »
For the same BV you can have a Phoenix Hawk PXH-1 .


The Hunchback 4G has a limited roll because it's slow and has only max range 9 weapons .

It's great if the conditions exist where you can exploit it's abilites .

It's a magnet for fire otherwise .

I  prefer the versatility that it lacks .

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« Reply #25 on: 24 June 2012, 22:28:29 »
That Mech is the Hunchback HBK-4G.  What does everyone else think of the Mech?
Play Griffin against it. Then ask what your players think of that.
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« Reply #26 on: 24 June 2012, 22:28:58 »
How about this Marian Century? I like the mix that the Hegemony has in 3085 of different tech levels. :)

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« Reply #27 on: 25 June 2012, 00:44:09 »
The classic Hunchback is really a specialist. It's got the big, short-ranged boomstick pointing forward, so anything that stumbles into its firing arc at reasonably close distances is potentially in for a world of hurt, especially anything in about its own weight class and lower.

On the other hand, it's vulnerable both to long-range attacks (where it can't return fire at all or at least not accurately -- you certainly can shoot at anything within the 7-9 hex bracket, you're just going to fire at +4 right off the bat and had probably better hope not too many other adverse modifiers stack up) and to shots from the rear, where its torso armor is painfully thin and it can only return fire with a single medium laser at best. And its 4/6 movement is at the low end even for 3025-era medium designs -- sure you've got your Centurions and such as well, but you've also got your Griffins and Phoenix Hawks (and Cicadas if you want to go there, even), which pull the average up.

A single Hunchback on its own is honestly not that hard to beat with another single 'Mech, which can probably either outrange or outmaneuver it. It's when both sides field larger forces than that that things get interesting -- sure you could pick at that HBK over there with your LRMs before it can lumber into range, but it probably has the forward armor to stand up to that kind of attention for a while, and wouldn't you rather first take care of that Griffin that's already shooting at you right now?

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« Reply #28 on: 25 June 2012, 01:51:24 »
The Hunchie 4G is a decent 'mech for city fights, as had already been said. However, I have always found a soft
spot for the 4J.

At the same time, a 4G is vulnerable to anything with speed, and a range over 9 hexes. It is vulnerable to a Hussar
if there is not back up for it, and I have taken them out with LCT-1Ms, as well as the slightly slower, but carrying a
PPC Cicada. Even a classic Phoenix Hawk or Shadowhawk has a good chance against a Hunchie 4G on its own.
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« Reply #29 on: 25 June 2012, 03:00:31 »
  Pretty much everything's already been said.
  My gaming club plays on a huge tabletop so small-map monsters have a hard time in a brawl unless opponents are forced to close. I agree with the PHX-1 advantage in 3025-era fights.