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BattleTech Game Systems => General BattleTech Discussion => Topic started by: Cubby on 26 March 2018, 19:47:46
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The classic BattleTech rules, back in print!
Get back to the battlefield with this new printing of Total Warfare (https://bg.battletech.com/news/total-warfare-new-printing-new-cover/), the essential and complete rules for standard games of BattleTech.
Following its debut at Origins Game Fair, the new printing of Total Warfare will be available online and through local game stores at the end of July.
Adorned with a cover featuring a classic piece of BattleTech art, this new printing incorporates all current errata from previous editions of Total Warfare. It maintains the layout scheme of past printings of the book. However, it includes the first installment of an all-new image for the popular "spine art" of core rulebooks.
(https://image.ibb.co/bUa4Ny/35265485_10155561503238148_3942475494611484672_n.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/) (https://image.ibb.co/bOMiFJ/35240503_10155561503323148_1523991187034210304_n.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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It may not be something brand new, but the BattleTech Facebook page just uploaded images of the new Total Warfare 5th edition. It even has a new throwback cover to the first Compendium.
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It may not be something brand new, but the BattleTech Facebook page just uploaded images of the new Total Warfare 5th edition. It even has a new throwback cover to the first Compendium.
Thrifty!
Interesting what it says on the bottom-right of the book cover.
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Thrifty!
Interesting what it says on the bottom-right of the book cover.
Core Game Rules? That's what TW has always said? Or am I missing something?
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Core Game Rules? That's what TW has always said? Or am I missing something?
There was some thread on the forum where people were asking for more labels like that on the books. Haven't seen a Catalyst-made Total Warfare in a while, didn't know they were labeled like that.
I guess we'll see more throwback art on the new editions of Tech Manual and other core books?
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Good way to save on the art budget :D I really like that art of the Atlas by the way :thumbsup:
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I find it weird how the cover simply states "Total Warfare", and nothing about 2nd Edition or Update or the like, yet has a new (or at least different) cover.
I can see why they would switch to the new logo that originated with HBS, to make it a unified brand, but I liked how the previous rulebook covers and spines aligned to produce a single image - it served to drive home the point that they were individual components of one huge integrated ruleset. Now this new cover looks like they're fracturing that ruleset.
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I find it weird how the cover simply states "Total Warfare", and nothing about 2nd Edition or Update or the like, yet has a new (or at least different) cover.
I can see why they would switch to the new logo that originated with HBS, to make it a unified brand, but I liked how the previous rulebook covers and spines aligned to produce a single image - it served to drive home the point that they were individual components of one huge integrated ruleset. Now this new cover looks like they're fracturing that ruleset.
Don't know about the SPINE yet....
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It may not be something brand new, but the BattleTech Facebook page just uploaded images of the new Total Warfare 5th edition. It even has a new throwback cover to the first Compendium.
That is some good stuff there. Origins dont open until 10a est today. Maybe more later today.
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At this point, the only new stuff is for the Dragonfire game. As far as other CGL products go, there doesn't appear anything new for BT, Shadowrun or any of their other games.
Shadowrun has their reprinted rule book and "Street Lethal" here at Origins. For Battletech we have the 5th printing Total Warfare. And Dragonfire has three supplements.
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I may pickup the Total Warfare book up just sake of me not having walk around with the book with printed PDFs of the errants so i can fend off people giving me crap about rule changes. :P
EDIT: No Sign of the new print on the CGL store sadly. :-\
My gut feelings is THAT will be at Gencon. I just hope it's not the only thing.
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my current copy of tw is the first cgl printing from 2007 so i'll definitely pick that up. they said 3rd quarter for a release window so that could be as late as the end of september
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I can see why they would switch to the new logo that originated with HBS, to make it a unified brand, but I liked how the previous rulebook covers and spines aligned to produce a single image - it served to drive home the point that they were individual components of one huge integrated ruleset. Now this new cover looks like they're fracturing that ruleset.
New Logo? You talking about what was done with the A? That symbol has been in PC BT since MechCommander, it was the symbol for running.
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I can see why they would switch to the new logo that originated with HBS, to make it a unified brand, but I liked how the previous rulebook covers and spines aligned to produce a single image - it served to drive home the point that they were individual components of one huge integrated ruleset. Now this new cover looks like they're fracturing that ruleset.
On the facebook page they (CGL) mentioned that it is a new spine image. 8)
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When you think about it, it is a good sign that the core rulebook is on its fifth printing. The brand clearly has held interest among gamers for a decade since the first printing.
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The classic BattleTech rules, back in print!
Get back to the battlefield with this new printing of Total Warfare (https://bg.battletech.com/news/total-warfare-new-printing-new-cover/), the essential and complete rules for standard games of BattleTech.
Following its debut at Origins Game Fair, the new printing of Total Warfare will be available online and through local game stores at the end of July.
Adorned with a cover featuring a classic piece of BattleTech art, this new printing incorporates all current errata from previous editions of Total Warfare. It maintains the layout scheme of past printings of the book. However, it includes the first installment of an all-new image for the popular "spine art" of core rulebooks.
(https://image.ibb.co/bUa4Ny/35265485_10155561503238148_3942475494611484672_n.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/) (https://image.ibb.co/bOMiFJ/35240503_10155561503323148_1523991187034210304_n.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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On the facebook page they (CGL) mentioned that it is a new spine image. 8)
Yes, new spine image.
Shadowrun has their reprinted rule book and "Street Lethal" here at Origins. For Battletech we have the 5th printing Total Warfare. And Dragonfire has three supplements.
Our man on the con floor!
I find it weird how the cover simply states "Total Warfare", and nothing about 2nd Edition or Update or the like, yet has a new (or at least different) cover.
It's a fifth "printing." Incorporates errata, but doesn't fundamentally change any of the rules. To my marketing brain, when you start branding things with "edition" or "update," people are going to expect something more sweeping. This just isn't that.
I can see why they would switch to the new logo that originated with HBS, to make it a unified brand, but I liked how the previous rulebook covers and spines aligned to produce a single image - it served to drive home the point that they were individual components of one huge integrated ruleset. Now this new cover looks like they're fracturing that ruleset.
This book has the first installment of a new spine art image. How many installments there will be is not currently known.
As a book, Total Warfare serves the same purpose it always has, the core rulebook for BT tabletop.
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I'm not sure that retro art is ideal in today's market. I do like it, but i'm weird.
Oh, well, not my problem.
Now, to decide if i need a physical TW book or not... BMM does fulfill my needs for most part, hmm.
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Hmmm... I had thought I was done buying physical books, but now I need to reconsider... :-\
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So the 250 C-Bill question... how much?
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First new release in 9 months. I assume it has some pretty big changes after so long.
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So the 250 C-Bill question... how much?
Yes, your estimate is correct. ;)
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First new release in 9 months. I assume it has some pretty big changes after so long.
eratta 5.0. if they went bananas, maybe some of the wording changes from BMM
i presume the 9 month freeze on any releases was to 1) get the box sets ready to roll and 2) build a strategy for sustainable product support
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So the 250 C-Bill question... how much?
$39.99 USD according to the one sitting on the desk in my hotel room.
If I had to guess, I'd say the spine art is the classic TRO 3050 cover.
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this guy? nice
(http://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/3/3e/TRO_3050.JPG/280px-bekz31twgu5ixf8vhoc36n7julyh17c.jpg?timestamp=20061025130735)
I wonder what they'll use for the other core book covers...
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That's the one! The one on this one looks like it's got the front fifth or so of the missile racks.
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Hmm. I still need Interstellar Ops, but it's probably $300 by now. My Total Warfare is pretty old - I think it's the first CGL printing - so I'll go ahead and pick this up when it's in general circulation.
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First run fanpro/wizkids printing here.
But PDFs help and I use bmm for a lot.
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I'm not sure that retro art is ideal in today's market. I do like it, but i'm weird.
Oh, well, not my problem.
Yeah, I don't think this was the best choice for the first book. If I knew nothing of battletech and saw that on the cover, I'd probably pass by. More so if I only new battletech from the video games. "What's this? Are they trying to rip off mechwarrior online?"
Now as something like a con exclusive or some other kind of collectible, I could totally see it.
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First run fanpro/wizkids printing here.
But PDFs help and I use bmm for a lot.
I've got the leatherbound and regular Fanpro ones, so not averse to buying a new one.
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Very cool. I look forward to seeing more pictures of the bookcover.
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Very nice.
Is it just a reprint or is there something new in there.
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Very nice.
Is it just a reprint or is there something new in there.
Reprint, but with all the errata folded in.
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Hmm. I still need Interstellar Ops, but it's probably $300 by now. My Total Warfare is pretty old - I think it's the first CGL printing - so I'll go ahead and pick this up when it's in general circulation.
First CGL printing? My copy still has FanPro on the spine!
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First CGL printing? My copy still has FanPro on the spine!
I traded my FanPro copy for CGL, so they'd all match.
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Here's a shot of the spine art - photo credit to Bosefius!
(https://image.ibb.co/m4vaxy/35298109_10155916880538375_7083787722770350080_n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bYvKPd)
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Ok so what product is being developed to bridge the gap between the new 3025 box set and the total warefare line of core rule books which are clearly set during the jihad?
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That's interesting. Rule book's product number changed little bit. 35001V.
Does that mean it's revised version?
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Here's a shot of the spine art - photo credit to Bosefius!
(https://image.ibb.co/m4vaxy/35298109_10155916880538375_7083787722770350080_n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bYvKPd)
Looks like the art for TRO3050 is the spine picture
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Ok so what product is being developed to bridge the gap between the new 3025 box set and the total warefare line of core rule books which are clearly set during the jihad?
There is no bridge. If I’m understanding your unspoken point, it can seem odd that these two core products are ping-ponging across major timespans. But it’s inevitable because the box set unavoidably uses equipment from 3205. It cannot be set in the current era Total Warfare was written in the setting that was current at the time. This has not been altered because the book is a reprint and not a completely new product.
The Battletech product line, moreover, ping pongs itself between eras to suit fans’ curiosity about past events as well as “current timeline” events. So the full answer to your question is more like “the entire set of Battletech publications ever is your bridge”. This isn’t a product line that fully commits itself to a single progressing point in time for everything like your average 40k product line.
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There is no bridge. If I’m understanding your unspoken point, it can seem odd that these two core products are ping-ponging across major timespans. But it’s inevitable because the box set unavoidably uses equipment from 3205. It cannot be set in the current era Total Warfare was written in the setting that was current at the time. This has not been altered because the book is a reprint and not a completely new product.
The Battletech product line, moreover, ping pongs itself between eras to suit fans’ curiosity about past events as well as “current timeline” events. So the full answer to your question is more like “the entire set of Battletech publications ever is your bridge”. This isn’t a product line that fully commits itself to a single progressing point in time for everything like your average 40k product line.
Fair enough. But it seems a pretty big step for new players to go from 3025 Mech only tech to 3069 tech levels with Vehicles, Battlearmor, Protomechs, Aerospace etc.
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The print record sheet books are good bridges, each having a small rules chapter before getting to the sheets. For example, RS 3039 introduces vehicle and infantry rules, while I think RS 3050 brings in the weapons and equipment of that era.
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Fair enough. But it seems a pretty big step for new players to go from 3025 Mech only tech to 3069 tech levels with Vehicles, Battlearmor, Protomechs, Aerospace etc.
The Box Sets aren't out yet. Even when it is, there's no need to force new players to jump immediately to Total Warfare.
But for now, there's (relatively) no new players to make a bridge product for. Several previous products attempted to do so (starterbook sword and dragon, print record sheets), but they're not going to succeed as bridge products when there's not really any market for such an item.
Though I'd love for there to eventually be a "bridge" box set. "In success."
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I’d like to see a tro: succession wars related expansion. The mechs within use pretty much all the star league lostech.
I don’t like the prototype gear in sword and dragon because it’s more complicated than actual TL gear
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I’d like to see a tro: succession wars related expansion. The mechs within use pretty much all the star league lostech.
I don’t like the prototype gear in sword and dragon because it’s more complicated than actual TL gear
Agree. I just don't think having a product specifically to "bridge the gap" is going to work on its own.
Record Sheets 3039 was better at being that specifically, but had little/no appeal to veteran BattleTech players, so it didn't sell.
Starterbook: Sword and Dragon was a too complicated to be a good bridge, but I think it actually sold better because it had more appeal to veteran players.
So such a "bridge" product would need to be something that appealed to veteran players as well. A clan invasion box set, or a starterbook type product expanding on the box set (campaign/story like sword and dragon, but rules expansion more like print record sheet 3039)?
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Does this version V have newer stories in it (or information that shows the current timeline is past 3150?)
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Does this version V have newer stories in it (or information that shows the current timeline is past 3150?)
I don't think so. Cubby, others, or new owners can confirm. I think this was just a straight-up re-print as resources were not budgeted to get new fluff.
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Agree. I just don't think having a product specifically to "bridge the gap" is going to work on its own.
Record Sheets 3039 was better at being that specifically, but had little/no appeal to veteran BattleTech players, so it didn't sell.
Starterbook: Sword and Dragon was a too complicated to be a good bridge, but I think it actually sold better because it had more appeal to veteran players.
So such a "bridge" product would need to be something that appealed to veteran players as well. A clan invasion box set, or a starterbook type product expanding on the box set (campaign/story like sword and dragon, but rules expansion more like print record sheet 3039)?
I suppose the ironic element here is that the intro box actually fills the criteria of appealing to both new to veteran players, but a step-up product does not. The solution to reaching both audiences appears to be to put plastic minis in everything.
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I actually found the PDF of the record sheets - particularly 3039 awesome. Granted, I prefer the older record sheet style and it could be organized better, but still nice to have for easy printing.
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Does this version V have newer stories in it (or information that shows the current timeline is past 3150?)
Unfortunately, no - the only changes to text or layout were to include current errata. More substantial re-writing, and certainly an all-new layout, just wasn't in the cards.
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I suppose the ironic element here is that the intro box actually fills the criteria of appealing to both new to veteran players, but a step-up product does not. The solution to reaching both audiences appears to be to put plastic minis in everything.
Which is why the suggestion for marketing purposes was a 'Succession War Expansion Pack' that has TRO SW mechs & sheets as the next step, advances tech a bit but leaves out the Clans & BA. As much as I would love the old forum plan AS Box Set that was set 3050 with 22 mini (or more for Elementals) . . . its probably missed its chance, and the SWEP idea is more likely since it can get the grognards.
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Which is why the suggestion for marketing purposes was a 'Succession War Expansion Pack' that has TRO SW mechs & sheets as the next step, advances tech a bit but leaves out the Clans & BA.
*snip*
That idea certainly intrigues this grognard...
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Which is why the suggestion for marketing purposes was a 'Succession War Expansion Pack' that has TRO SW mechs & sheets as the next step, advances tech a bit but leaves out the Clans & BA. As much as I would love the old forum plan AS Box Set that was set 3050 with 22 mini (or more for Elementals) . . . its probably missed its chance, and the SWEP idea is more likely since it can get the grognards.
That idea certainly intrigues this grognard...
Speaking as another grognard, one with an inflated sense of self-importance:
Grognards are like Your Health. Without them, you have nothing.
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Which is why the suggestion for marketing purposes was a 'Succession War Expansion Pack' that has TRO SW mechs & sheets as the next step, advances tech a bit but leaves out the Clans & BA. As much as I would love the old forum plan AS Box Set that was set 3050 with 22 mini (or more for Elementals) . . . its probably missed its chance, and the SWEP idea is more likely since it can get the grognards.
That might work if all the art is brought to the same level as the new box minis, and add several new variants....
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That idea certainly intrigues this grognard...
Speaking as another grognard, one with an inflated sense of self-importance:
Grognards are like Your Health. Without them, you have nothing.
Back in my day we had to roll dice uphill both ways. And we tripled all the heat costs because we were real gamers
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Does this version V have newer stories in it (or information that shows the current timeline is past 3150?)
The only changes are the errata being folded in and the cover/spine.
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Is version V = version 5?
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I've been waiting for a new printing for a while.
My copy of Total Warfare still says "Fanpro" on it, and I could really use an updated copy, with all the errata folded in. :thumbsup:
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Yeah, I don't think this was the best choice for the first book. If I knew nothing of battletech and saw that on the cover, I'd probably pass by. More so if I only new battletech from the video games. "What's this? Are they trying to rip off mechwarrior online?"
Now as something like a con exclusive or some other kind of collectible, I could totally see it.
I agree. The front cover art is a questionable choice. Instead of looking to draw the eye of new players, or those who enjoy the modern aesthetic, they are paying tribute to the 1987 Rules of Warfare. That said, with the earlier release of the BattleMech Manual, an utterly superb rulebook for both new and experienced players, the audience for Total Warfare may only be the same hardcore BT players that appreciate the tribute ;)
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I'd prefer the old spine art. I'm only missing two from the collection, and that'll break up the pattern.
That said, I'll get TechManual and Innerstellat ops the second they come out.
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.... the audience for Total Warfare may only be the same hardcore BT players that appreciate the tribute ;)
That's not the best way to insure the long term of the health of the game.
Recycling old art is a great way to save money though.
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I'm not huge on the new cover either, but at least I can admit that it's just because I don't like the piece. Come on, folks, you don't have to come up with elaborate conspiracy or market theories to just say that you don't like the cover, either.
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I was hoping for the Compendium: RoW cover myself
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I like the cover because it's simple without being boring, it's detailed without being busy, and there's no major detail around the periphery of the piece to obscure with the title, subtitle, or other cover greebles. It also helps that the Atlas is a pretty damned iconic BattleTech machine in a way that most of the things on the original Total Warfare cover weren't.
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ColBosch & Scotty both make interesting points . . . I also think its interesting they used the Atlas rather than some of the other recognizable mechs- for all the complaints about lack of tying in to MWO or HBS releases, both use the Atlas as part of their branding. So if you are going to reuse some old art, an Atlas is not a bad choice. I think the 3025 Atlas cover might have been better choice, especially if the Awesome was left off.
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As much of a fan as I am of Chaffee's work, the TRO3025 Revised cover just didn't do it for me. The 4th edition boxed set cover is the best color Atlas artwork I can think of, off hand. Though the new TW cover is still purty.
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As much of a fan as I am of Chaffee's work, the TRO3025 Revised cover just didn't do it for me. The 4th edition boxed set cover is the best color Atlas artwork I can think of, off hand. Though the new TW cover is still purty.
Same here. I do like the new logo, reminds me of Mechcommander. The Atlas image, not so much.
Just seems perception wise, that it is a step backwards from the "New Ruleset" feeling that I got from all the new art when these books first came out.
The Tac Ops cover with that Uziel remains my favourite by far, to me it is a shame that it will be disappearing. Still, I'm glad all the eratta is getting rolled in, makes my life a lot easier. And I've always got the battlemech manual for teaching new folks/getting them interested. Mad Cat sells battletech. ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/mkmhioF.jpg)
DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA!
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Minor housekeeping note: I've updated the subject line to reflect that TechManual and Tactical Operations also now have new versions with updated errata. As we roll out more announcements in the coming days, this will be a good place to continue the discussions about those products.
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When will the new printings be available at FLGS? When on Amazon?
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Back in my day we had to roll dice uphill both ways. And we tripled all the heat costs because we were real gamers
Ah, so THAT was what those old HOP-4Cs were for! (The one with 16 HS and 7 heat on a running alpha)
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When will the new printings be available at FLGS? When on Amazon?
The new printing of Total Warfare has a street date of Aug. 22.
Print availability for the other volumes has not been determined yet.
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Minor housekeeping note: I've updated the subject line to reflect that TechManual and Tactical Operations also now have new versions with updated errata. As we roll out more announcements in the coming days, this will be a good place to continue the discussions about those products.
I am glad that the game is continuing to receive updates and support. The continued printing of the core rules will make it easier to attract new players.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but with the new printing of Tech Manual, maybe I can pick a previous printing at a reasonable price to complete my set.
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I will pick up the core book when it comes out. I'm not in hurry anymore to carry a physical new new one. Only because cash is tight, unfortunately Battletech games in my area seem to be out of sight.
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Will purchasers of the prior PDF versions of Total Warfare (via the Battlecorps or Catalyst website) get an update to the fifth printing, or will this be a pay again upgrade?
(The download link in my account still seems to provide the fourth printing.)
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I feel like the cover art is a bit dated. Seems a shot in the foot. New players don't want retro images, they want modern pics that draw them into the universe.
Hope they don't change the Tac-Ops Uziel as that is a cracking, modern, dynamic image...
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Will purchasers of the prior PDF versions of Total Warfare (via the Battlecorps or Catalyst website) get an update to the fifth printing, or will this be a pay again upgrade?
(The download link in my account still seems to provide the fourth printing.)
Last I read, that was the plan. I too have only old printings.
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Any news on when the Catalyst store's PDFs will be updated?
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It's good to have a lonely retro Atlas in static position as cover on a book dedicated to Combined arms warfare. Sells the product.
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It's good to have a lonely retro Atlas in static position as cover on a book dedicated to Combined arms warfare. Sells the product.
Yeah, but it looks cool :)
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Weird. I hated the cover before, but after that comment, I'm warming up to it.
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I like the cover, don't see the problem. It reminds me of my old Battletech Manual. I dunno what the problem is, maybe it's my 3025 tendencies but the Atlas is the iconic BT image for me.
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I like the cover, don't see the problem.
old people like to go around in circles endlessly about what they think the youths want
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old people like to go around in circles endlessly about what they think the youths want
Oh those youths... What do they want? What do they do? Are Atlases still cool? Am I still cool? Questions, questions, questions...
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Avocado. ‘Gram stuff. Yes. No.
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Avocado. ‘Gram stuff. Yes. No.
Well alright then.
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Any news on the Cataylst store update? My e-mails remain unanswered...
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Any news on the Cataylst store update? My e-mails remain unanswered...
Same
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GenCon was still running two days ago.
General rule of thumb: pretend at least a week after a major convention that the lights are out and nobody is home at Catalyst in an official capacity.
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AND then there is PAX just around the corner in 3 weeks time...LoL
Summer is never a good time to get fats responses.
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Interestingly that makes dropping new product at that time a bad idea.
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I never picked up a Hard Copy of Total Warfare. Maybe now is the time.
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I’ll get TW and to in hardback because I use them during games. Also my first CGL printing is starting to look a little rough
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I’ll get TW and to in hardback because I use them during games. Also my first CGL printing is starting to look a little rough
I'll eventually get them in hardback because a 'friend' stole all my hardbacks.
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I upgraded to TacOps sometime last year.
I'm still missing strategic, interstellar and campaign ops, of which physical copies have become hard to find over the years.
The PDF releases just don't give that haptic page flipping experience and fresh rulebook smell. :)
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I bought the the revised TotalWarfare as a PDF so I could have the latest errata. It looks like all of the internal indexing has been stripped from the PDF, leaving no quick way to navigate from section to section. Was that an intentional change?
It's obviously not an issue for the print book, but it takes away from the utility of the PDF.
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I upgraded to TacOps sometime last year.
I'm still missing strategic, interstellar and campaign ops, of which physical copies have become hard to find over the years.
The PDF releases just don't give that haptic page flipping experience and fresh rulebook smell. :)
You don't get new-book smell from it (yet), but there are some apps that simulate page-turning and double-page display. That can be helpful sometimes as you often want to see the placement of two facing pages when referencing something. I use Goodreader for this. It's rendering engine can be a hair slower than Adobe Reader, but it's more full-featured.
Desktop, of course, has fewer screen/interface limitations but can't emulate page flipping like a touchscreen can.
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*sigh* Still not updated in the store for me.
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Call me "old school" but I like the rulebooks of old. No "useless" industrial mechs, not much "fluff" and not so many options that it takes an hour to come up with a decent mech of your own deslgn. I stopped buying books after Master Rules revised came out. I downloaded an earlier "Total Warfare" , but didn't like a lot of the rules changes, (like partial cover, plasma weapons, airships (really?) and the like. I have the revised mech sheets book (from the MR revised), but none of the video game inspired stuff.
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*sigh* Still not updated in the store for me.
I was planning to ping them again tomorrow now that they have the new printings on the store page
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I would suggest waiting another week for that, as the crew are going to be off at PAX West and not checking mail much.
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First new release in 9 months. I assume it has some pretty big changes after so long.
The pdf is only $14.99. The reprinted TM and SO pdfs are similarly priced.
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For those of us that purchased the PDF years ago, any idea when we will get free a update link.
I've tried to contact CGL re this matter, and have not heard anything from them.
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There appears to be an issue where if you bought something from the old store, it does not trigger updates. Many of us are in the same boat. Hopefully someone will be around to rectify the situation next week after PAX
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There appears to be an issue where if you bought something from the old store, it does not trigger updates. Many of us are in the same boat. Hopefully someone will be around to rectify the situation next week after PAX
FWIW: it's on my list, and has been since the updates launched. But 1) it's much more a customer service issue than a comms one, so it may actually be more effective if I steer clear; 2) I've got a bunch of other questions and notes into management, so I'm trying not to clutter their inbox.
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FWIW: it's on my list, and has been since the updates launched. But 1) it's much more a customer service issue than a comms one, so it may actually be more effective if I steer clear.
I contacted them through the catalyst website and via their email earlier this week - still waiting for them to reply.
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has anyone seen the new tw printing in the wild not at a con?
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I've been trying to get clarity on that for two weeks now. No response from management; my LGS (Games and Stuff, Glen Burnie MD) orders everything BattleTech and they said it does not appear to be in at the distributor.
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has anyone seen the new tw printing in the wild not at a con?
Yeah, we've received copies up here in western Canada a week ago.
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Yeah, we've received copies up here in western Canada a week ago.
This is good news. I’ll have to waddle over to my lgs and see if they have any copies
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I've been trying to get clarity on that for two weeks now. No response from management; my LGS (Games and Stuff, Glen Burnie MD) orders everything BattleTech and they said it does not appear to be in at the distributor.
I used to live in Odenton, MD, not too far from there, but that was twenty years ago..... :-[
Craig
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So.... Where can I reliably buy the physical versions of these?
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Any news on the Catalyst Store PDF versions, since there's shiny new product and all...
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Has anyone had luck getting a email back from CGL about the updated editions for old customers? I have sent two emails with order numbers and not heard anything back.
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Has anyone had luck getting a email back from CGL about the updated editions for old customers? I have sent two emails with order numbers and not heard anything back.
nope. sent my most recent email a week ago.
in other news, I'm seeing Total Warfare on Ebay (for msrp), so someone is getting copies somewhere.
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Same, sent two emails a few weeks ago and heard nothing.
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So, the reprint of of Total Warfare is showing up on Ebay (and apparently on Amazon with the old cover and pub date), but when my LGS tries to order through his distributor they keep saying they don't see them as being available.
Does anyone have the ISBN or Catalyst product code for the hardcover version? My LGS owner is more than willing to carry some BattleTech product, but there seems to be a lot of confusion on the distribution end.
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I'll look it up when I get home. Yell at me if I don't get back to you.
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I saw a reprint Total Warfare edition in the wild. Should of got it.
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So, the reprint of of Total Warfare is showing up on Ebay (and apparently on Amazon with the old cover and pub date), but when my LGS tries to order through his distributor they keep saying they don't see them as being available.
Does anyone have the ISBN or Catalyst product code for the hardcover version? My LGS owner is more than willing to carry some BattleTech product, but there seems to be a lot of confusion on the distribution end.
Here ya Go.
Photo off the back of mine.
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That's the new TW? Amazon has that ISBN for Battlecorps Anthology Vol 1 The Corp.
https://www.amazon.com/Battlecorps-Anthology-Vol-1-Corps/dp/0979204704/r (https://www.amazon.com/Battlecorps-Anthology-Vol-1-Corps/dp/0979204704/r)
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That's the new TW? Amazon has that ISBN for Battlecorps Anthology Vol 1 The Corp.
https://www.amazon.com/Battlecorps-Anthology-Vol-1-Corps/dp/0979204704/r (https://www.amazon.com/Battlecorps-Anthology-Vol-1-Corps/dp/0979204704/r)
Indeed (anthology)! Searching around, the only thing I found was a reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/battletech/comments/984uzv/psa_new_total_warfare_in_stock_on_amazon/) with reports that folks are getting the new printing under the "Battletech Total Warfare *OP (Classic Battletech) Hardcover – February 1, 2008 (https://www.amazon.com/Battletech-Total-Warfare-OP-Classic/dp/0979204712)" listing with identifiers:
ISBN-10: 9780979204715
ISBN-13: 978-0979204715
ASIN: 0979204712
ie as opposed to the (other) amazon listing for TW:
Classic Battletech: Total Warfare (FPR35101) Hardcover – August 21, 2006 (https://www.amazon.com/Classic-Battletech-Total-Warfare-FPR35101/dp/1932564772)
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Yup, that it is.
Here's the larger Pic I cropped it from
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I'm a little ignorant in this department... is the UPC code supposed to match the ISBN numbers? If so, looks like someone messed up.
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OK, so, the UPC, ISBN etc all match the new 5th Printing with the 4th Printing.
See pics below which I've included the opened covers on.
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Just checked, still no update, no replies to e-mails. Of course the Catalyst page still shows Herb as the line developer, so maybe updating the page isn't a high priority. Sucks to be us though :(
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Just checked, still no update, no replies to e-mails. Of course the Catalyst page still shows Herb as the line developer, so maybe updating the page isn't a high priority. Sucks to be us though :(
The internet in general isn't a high priority for catalyst.
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Weird given it is an extremely cheap and easy way to have your product noticed and talked about.
But well, first you need product to be noticed and talked about.
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It’s probably going to take months. When the big chunk of missing purchases were restored to the new store, im pretty sure they had to double check the order numbers and then add everything manually.
Personally I’m not expecting any traction until after the new year
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Been following this thread for a bit intending to get the new TW printing. So, how does one do that? I'm confused...
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it's in stock on CGL's store. Ebay is also an option as the copies i've seen aren't going above MSRP. ymmv as to whether your local flgs or their distributor are carrying it.
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Cool beans. All the talk about the CGL store not responding led me to believe it wasn't available.
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the issue with cgl's customer service is that the free upgrades for the PDF versions of the core rules are not being distributed to customers who bought the rulebooks on the old online store
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The internet in general isn't a high priority for catalyst.
What is Catalyst's priority?
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What is Catalyst's priority?
I don't know, but when they run a large banner announcing a 2 year old book being available for preorder on the front page for one of their flagship titles, it's hard to believe internet presence is high on their list.
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Dedicating time and resources to a website -- let alone multiple websites -- is not cheap. And if it is cheap, do you actually want that person doing the work?
For me, I have a company that will do a lot of the work for search engine optimization for me as well as hosting, updates, and posting newsletters related to what I do. Even if CGL has someone in-house that can do that, they still need to pay them for it. My cost is $5k a year. With CGL, I just don't think that is possible as of right now and thus the websites don't get updated as often as they should be.
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Even if CGL has someone in-house that can do that, they still need to pay them for it. My cost is $5k a year. With CGL, I just don't think that is possible as of right now and thus the websites don't get updated as often as they should be.
There's no one in-house to do this at all. I've been doing BT website updates and social media posts when there's new product or previews, and Bosefius has been doing yeoman's work answering messages and comments on Facebook.
But a larger website rebuild is well outside my abilities and time availability. Plus, it's the kind of thing that really needs to be driven by management--a band of plucky volunteers will probably not be able to make much progress.
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While I empathize as My boss put me in charge of the organization’s website on the qualifications that I was the youngest and therefore most knowledgeable about computers, a plucky band of volunteers could at least make updates to the company staff and swap pictures out for more current products.
For the new printing of TW, my flgs does not seem eager to stock it so I’ll order from CGL directly. They’ve been three for three in filling and shipping my order in a timely manner recently. Frustration with the core books PDFs aside, the physical product shipping is one aspect that has significantly improved. and without much fanfare
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I'll back up the physical shipping improvement. I recently ordered Liberation of Terra, Vol. I and it arrived in the time promised and paid for.
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There's no one in-house to do this at all. I've been doing BT website updates and social media posts when there's new product or previews, and Bosefius has been doing yeoman's work answering messages and comments on Facebook.
But a larger website rebuild is well outside my abilities and time availability. Plus, it's the kind of thing that really needs to be driven by management--a band of plucky volunteers will probably not be able to make much progress.
But how hard is it to change out a single image file? There's been how many new Shadowrun products released since Anarchy? This is a legit question. I have no idea since the front page still says Anarchy is available for preorder and a quick look at the blog shows nothing but Battletech and Dragonfire until you're more than half way down the page. Clicking on the Crossfire banner at the top brings you to announcement and FAQ for the previous edition! Really at this point they should do like they did with the CBT site for awhile and just remove news all together.
On a related note, I had been looking forward to that shadowrun board game that was kickstartered, but when I saw no one even bothered to update the front page for an announcement of an active kickstarter, I passed. To me that showed such little faith in the game that it deflated all anticipation I had for it.
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But how hard is it to change out a single image file?
Impossible if you don't have access. Point being, it's more complicated than you seem to think it is.
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Impossible if you don't have access. Point being, it's more complicated than you seem to think it is.
Particularly since he seems to be talking about the CGL website (references to Shadowrun), versus the BattleTech website. Nobody here can access the CGL website (that I know of).
I've been doing BT website updates and social media posts when there's new product or previews, and Bosefius has been doing yeoman's work answering messages and comments on Facebook.
Both references are specific to BT website/BT Facebook, not CGL's overall website/social.
Not saying CGL is doing that right, clearly they are not. Just pointing out that nobody _here_ has any control at all over the CGL websites/social media unless they are exclusively BT.
But how hard is it to change out a single image file? There's been how many new Shadowrun products released since Anarchy? This is a legit question. I have no idea since the front page still says Anarchy is available for preorder and a quick look at the blog shows nothing but Battletech and Dragonfire until you're more than half way down the page. Clicking on the Crossfire banner at the top brings you to announcement and FAQ for the previous edition! Really at this point they should do like they did with the CBT site for awhile and just remove news all together.
On a related note, I had been looking forward to that shadowrun board game that was kickstartered, but when I saw no one even bothered to update the front page for an announcement of an active kickstarter, I passed. To me that showed such little faith in the game that it deflated all anticipation I had for it.
Yep, can't do anything here about any of those. And yes, there are many messes there.
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I picked on the Shadowrun website only because it's the most glaring example of the problem at the moment. I still remember when the top bit of the news on the CBT site was an April fools joke... in July. I used to check the tumblr often, but that stopped getting regular updates over a year ago. Just been a couple shots of dragonfire and some con setups since then. :(
I haven't been on the front page of this site in some time since there was never any reason to, but I checked it today. I see there have been improvements and the news appears to be up to date. :thumbsup: I think it might benefit them to move the links like the MUL and the store up into the dead space on the left of the twitter(facebook?) feed. That I do understand would be much more difficult than an image swap though.
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Particularly since he seems to be talking about the CGL website (references to Shadowrun), versus the BattleTech website. Nobody here can access the CGL website (that I know of).
Both references are specific to BT website/BT Facebook, not CGL's overall website/social.
Not saying CGL is doing that right, clearly they are not. Just pointing out that nobody _here_ has any control at all over the CGL websites/social media unless they are exclusively BT.
As it happens, I do have admin access to the CGL main website, and even the SR site (but not DF). I also have at least basic access, if not admin access, to all CGL social media.
What I don't have is the time or, frankly, the willingness to embark on updates and constant refreshing of the company's entire web presence on an unpaid, volunteer basis. That's a full-time job. I know it is, because it's my full-time job IRL (along with some other, associated mar/comm duties.) All of the things you point out are fair, but fixing them and keeping them fixed is really the job of a CGL Communications Director or Marketing Director.
That's what I meant by "a band of plucky volunteers will probably not be able to make much progress." Not that they would be functionally incapable of doing the work. Rather, unless they were organized and continually engaged by someone in-house who had a big-picture, integrated marketing and communications plan and buy-in from management, it would be hard for them to achieve much more than momentary improvements.
But we're getting pretty far off the topic of the new core books...
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If anyone finds a band of plucky volunteers with mad WordPress skills in need of the big picture guy, please point them in the direction of CSO. ;D
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<Inserts Oatmeal cartoon about doing professional things for exposure>
I won't because F-bomb, but you can look it up yourselves. And yeah, the sidebar conversations have been going on long enough. Best take it to a new thread.
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Ladies and gentlemen, those of you with the core books purchased through the CGL store, please check to see if you have access to the updated versions (Total Warfare, TechManual, Tactical Operations)? Please let me know.
Thanks.
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Happy to report the titles in my library link to the new printings (TW, TM, TO)
edit: to be clear, StratOps (with the BattleForce 1 Boxset art) is still unreleased, yes?
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Correct.
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What is Catalyst's priority?
From what I recall last year? Dragon Fire.
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Ladies and gentlemen, those of you with the core books purchased through the CGL store, please check to see if you have access to the updated versions (Total Warfare, TechManual, Tactical Operations)? Please let me know.
Thanks.
My store.catalyst.com account only goes back to 2016. Apparently I used different information for the older shop. What should I do?
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I had an issue where items I bought in the old store between the summer of '15 up to the switchover in the fall of '16 did not import to my new purchase history. I had to send in a list of order numbers and have them restored manually.
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My store.catalyst.com account only goes back to 2016. Apparently I used different information for the older shop. What should I do?
I was having the same issue, but when I went into the "My downloadable Files" link under my address everything was there. But I had used the same emails for both stores.
Not sure what generated the fix.
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Mine are updated. Now just to get the two accounts merged.
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Just got a response to my email from July telling me the links have been updated.
So far I can confirm that Tactical operations is the new version, and based on the filenames of the others, I have no reason to believe they haven't been corrected.
So if you haven't gotten the new updates yet, try it now. :)
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Guess I need to pay a little more attention to the forums or else who knows how much longer it would have been before I had known I could finally get the new printings.
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Ladies and gentlemen, those of you with the core books purchased through the CGL store, please check to see if you have access to the updated versions (Total Warfare, TechManual, Tactical Operations)? Please let me know.
I finally got around to this and all three updates were available to me*. I didn't receive an email notification (though I was aware that most people weren't getting them) and navigating my downloadable files in the store is a pain. Sure would be nice if you could run a search in your library.
*My copy of Total Warfare was the BattleCorps edition, with the short story, Guardians, at the front. The download was the regular copy. Is the BC edition no longer being updated? (I just noticed that I don't have a PDF copy of the fourth printing, so this may be an old change.)
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I just checked. I have the updated versions of total warfare, tech manual, and tac ops(I miss the uziel :( ). I don't remember ever buying any of them, but they're there. :thumbsup: I went PDF crazy a while back so if anything I guess I'm more surprised I don't have all the core books.
But wow, you guys are really going all in on the retro artwork. ???
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I got my new copy of TW today and I do like the retro art up close much more than when I saw the initial pictures