Author Topic: Tomahawk Clan Wolf prototype assault mech? (Read 19522 times)

DaveMac · « **on:** 04 February 2011, 11:20:59 »

In the Battlecorps story "The Price of Conviction", set in 3063, mention is made of the Tomahawk prototype 100t omnimech fielded by Clan Wolf

Details of the Beta version include 2 ER PPC, 2 ER LL and a number of medium ER and pulse lasers

Speed is probably the classic 3/5

Anyone know any further info on it?

Onisuzume · « **Reply #1 on:** 04 February 2011, 12:19:25 »

Maybe the author of that bit knows more, but I think its likely to be just a Fanon design.
Sarna doesn't have a mention of it at all (only a Tomahawk ASF).

Arkansas Warrior · « **Reply #2 on:** 04 February 2011, 13:46:05 »

It's in a BC story, it's canon. Sarna not having anything on it doesn't mean a whole lot. As far as I know the one story is it's only occurrence. I'm hoping for an appearance in XTRO: Clans or some other future product, but we'll see. Also, it's interesting to note that it sounds suspiciously similar to a Turkina, though I have no idea why the Wolves would be making a 100 ton Turkina when they've already got the Dire Wolf.

Spheroid · « **Reply #3 on:** 04 February 2011, 15:31:31 »

Quote from: Arkansas Warrior on 04 February 2011, 13:46:05

I have no idea why the Wolves would be making a 100 ton Turkina when they've already got the Dire Wolf.

Are new Dire Wolves availble in the Inner Sphere?

Stormfury · « **Reply #4 on:** 04 February 2011, 15:56:22 »

I don't know of anywhere that is manufacturing them in the IS, no.

After the Ghost Bears and Hell's Horses captured most of the Wolves' factories and contact with the Homeworlds was lost, the Wolves upgraded their factories on Tamar... which the Word of Blacke promtly wrecked. Vlad's Wolves are hurting badly for material, especially good designs. Sun Cobra? Night Wolf? Really?

I keep meaning to post updated, capable designs for both chassis with a write-up detailing Vlad ordering the execution of everyone assigned to either project.

Arkansas Warrior · « **Reply #5 on:** 04 February 2011, 17:18:55 »

Even so, seems like it'd be easier to restart DW production, since they already had the plans and had been manufacturing them for decades, rather than design a whole new chassis with roughly the same capabilities.

Stormfury · « **Reply #6 on:** 04 February 2011, 17:24:38 »

Actually, the only Wolves manufacturing the Dire Wolf were the Wolf Dragoons. The Smoke Jaguars were the Homeworlds producer.

Arkansas Warrior · « **Reply #7 on:** 04 February 2011, 17:27:46 »

TRO 3050u says that Ulric trialed for production rights from the Jags in 3019, and it's listed as in production at "Wolf Clan Site #1" on Strana Mechty, presumably as of 3071.

Stormfury · « **Reply #8 on:** 04 February 2011, 18:24:38 »

The facility might be manufactuing it by then still, but the Wolves are well and truly cut off from it.

Arkansas Warrior · « **Reply #9 on:** 04 February 2011, 18:42:26 »

True. Anyway, I hope we do see it in the future, I've been wondering ever since I read that story when we'd get the full story.

Johnny 'NKH' Leyland · « **Reply #10 on:** 04 February 2011, 19:20:54 »

TRO3085 Supplemental mentions that the Wolves are starting IS production of Omnis that were previously only built in the Homeworlds, so we may yet see the Dire Wolf saved from extinction.

DaveMac · « **Reply #11 on:** 05 February 2011, 05:50:31 »

Thanks for the info folks, looks like its a bit of a mystery for the moment.

Deadborder · « **Reply #12 on:** 05 February 2011, 06:53:17 »

Could be a mech that, for some reason or another, never sees production. Being nuked by WoBBies is a good start.

As for the Dire Woof, its been established that it takes a lot more resources and infrastructure to build an Omnimech facotry and then build Omnis then for a conventional Battlemech. Vlad was reluctant to build omni foacotries in the Inner Sphere and had decided that the clan could suffice on homeworld supplies. Following the start of the Jihad, the Wolves have been left short on supplies and tech, hence mechs like the Tundra Wolf and Sun Cobra - basically, all they are capable of producing.

Given that the Outreach factories are so much irradiated rubble, I doubt that we'll ever see Dire Woof production in the IS again.

GBL · « **Reply #13 on:** 06 February 2011, 01:41:49 »

Tomahawk? 2 ER PPC's? Sounds familiar.

ShadowRaven · « **Reply #14 on:** 07 February 2011, 17:22:35 »

Nah, Clans already have Warhammer IIC's Unless they uped the tonnage to add some more guns....NAH...a BC author would never do that......

Stockus13 · « **Reply #15 on:** 11 February 2011, 17:27:46 »

Well in the ask the writers section a while ago it was doubtful the Tomahawk will appear. I am campaigning for the Iron Cheetah to be put into a TRO so the wolves will have a 4/6 100 tonner omni. I agree we do not need a Dire Wolf copy.

Hellraiser · « **Reply #16 on:** 11 February 2011, 20:33:31 »

The Tomahawk-Omni is canon.

It was "supposed" to make it into TRO3075 but got left out.
It's future is uncertain since now they are not sure where they will fit it in.

I think XTRO-Clans would be a very good place to fit it in there.

As for the stats, it doesn't have any yet outside what is mentioned in that story on BC.

It seems likely to be similar to the D-Wolf given the weapons load mentioned.

Perhaps it uses Endo/Ferro, or doesn't have an XL engine.

I'm almost kind of hoping it turns out to be the "MWDA" name for an IS produced DireWolf like the way the MadDog, Summoner, & T-Wolf all got "new" incarnations with same or slightly different stats/looks.

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire · « **Reply #17 on:** 11 February 2011, 20:34:42 »

Quote from: Hellraiser on 11 February 2011, 20:33:31

The Tomahawk-Omni is canon.

It was "supposed" to make it into TRO3075 but got left out.
It's future is uncertain since now they are not sure where they will fit it in.

Source?

Hellraiser · « **Reply #18 on:** 11 February 2011, 20:45:08 »

Quote from: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 11 February 2011, 20:34:42

Source?

The source that it is canon is the above mentioned article on BC website.

The source as to its fate was a response on the old forums that we talked about in the Wolf thread last year after TRO3075 came out.

I don't have a link but that was the response we discussed.

Arkansas Warrior · « **Reply #19 on:** 11 February 2011, 21:06:57 »

http://www.classicbattletech.com/forumarchive/index.php/topic,13713.0.html

http://www.classicbattletech.com/forumarchive/index.php/topic,31750.0.html

One of those, perhaps?

Hellraiser · « **Reply #20 on:** 12 February 2011, 00:03:37 »

Thanks AW, those are 2 of the older ones.

I think there was another one from AFTER 3075 came out where it was mentioned that it was "forgotten".

But as we can see, as of those threads it looks like it will see print at some point, just not sure when.

Personally I like the XTRO idea, since it was a prototype and all.

Hellraiser · « **Reply #21 on:** 12 February 2011, 00:10:08 »

IIRC the story has it listed at 100 tons while the design that won the contest was 95.

Either way at 3/5/0 w/ XL it comes across as a minor variant of the DWolf or Turkina.

I'd like to see it changed over to be a SFE or something different to give it a unique feel.

Wolf Lancer 4 · « **Reply #22 on:** 12 February 2011, 00:18:45 »

I was expecting the Tomahawk to be in TRO 3075. Once I saw that it wasnt included I asked about it in one of the Battlecorps monthly chats.

The response I got was from Randall saying it was his fault that the mech didnt make it in there.

I asked sometime last year about the mech again and Herb told me that we are unlikely to see the mech.

I keep hoping that it will someday see the light of day(just as adamant about it as I was about Operation Klondike) but Im not getting my hopes up. I kept hoping that it would be squeezed into a Hotspot book and it be explained that nobody had seen it to that point or some such thing. I to hope it might be in the Clan XTRO but I doubt that as well. There is one product it could go into but means they would have to actually make a Turning Point PDF for the Horse vs Wolf war(which I doubt we will see). Seeing as how Omega Galaxy was doing the field tests they might still have one or two by the time the Horses absorbed them.

It sucks that we have another 100 ton omni that is canon but will probably never see the light of day. Especially since my Clan is the one that designed it.

Stockus13 · « **Reply #23 on:** 14 February 2011, 16:56:29 »

Maaaaan. I really want that mech to appear in a TRO.

I think 4/6 movement would be great at making it different than a Dire Wolf.

Keeping my fingers crossed on this one.

Hellraiser · « **Reply #24 on:** 14 February 2011, 17:23:38 »

Quote from: Stockus13 on 14 February 2011, 16:56:29

Maaaaan. I really want that mech to appear in a TRO.

I think 4/6 movement would be great at making it different than a Dire Wolf.

The problem w/ 4/6 is it then goes against what other things we know about it, like devoting 50+ tons to pod space and having that massive ERPPC/ERLL battery.
Frankly, I'm not interested in it being an Iron Cheetah clone, but thats me.

Arkansas Warrior · « **Reply #25 on:** 14 February 2011, 19:38:20 »

Of course, it could be that it was redesigned for 4/6 movement. The one in the story is just a prototype, not the finished product. Throw in some other changes and 'design issues' and you have the reason it took so long to produce.

Davion_Boy_74 · « **Reply #26 on:** 15 February 2011, 01:18:48 »

I remember that there was a web site with both a story & stats for this 'Mech, & it was not BattleCorps, does any one else remember this site & more importantly got a working link, as I did save it but I lost it when I lost my old HD.

Thanks.

Dave.

Hellraiser · « **Reply #27 on:** 15 February 2011, 19:25:37 »

Quote from: Davion_Boy_74 on 15 February 2011, 01:18:48

I remember that there was a web site with both a story & stats for this 'Mech, & it was not BattleCorps, does any one else remember this site & more importantly got a working link, as I did save it but I lost it when I lost my old HD.

If you click the CBT thread links that AW posted above I think you will find a link on one of them to the other site that had the stats for it from the contest that was won, IIRC.
However, as that was fan made Randal had to change it a bit for the story on BC.
That is when it was bumped from 95 to 100 tons IIRC.

Davion_Boy_74 · « **Reply #28 on:** 16 February 2011, 01:13:05 »

Thanks [notworthy], I missed those links :-[, & Yes the 2rd link took me to the web site I remembered [rockon] .

Dave.

Stockus13 · « **Reply #29 on:** 16 February 2011, 14:41:25 »

I hope it gets put into print at some point.

I can be patient. I hope.