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BattleTech Game Systems => General BattleTech Discussion => Topic started by: Scotty on 05 December 2023, 12:32:10
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One of these days you guys will finally learn that starting topics is free, I have 302 topics in my garage.
Please continue your regularly scheduled discussion here.
Yes I know the 3rd League conversation is in a different topic, but it started because of observations about the KS swag so it counts.
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I'm excited for the Firestarter and Javelin minis--they looked great in the pics I saw from Pax. Also, think of the dirty things you can do with two Firestarters and two Javelins with mixed Inferno/SRM loads. :evil:
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I'm honestly genuinely excited for the Star League covers for the Beginner and GOAC boxes. Hanse v
Death Commandos Comstar is iconic but it's very dark. The new covers are bright and very eye catching.
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I feel the Firestarter's centre torso flamer is a bit too big, but it's a minor complaint
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It’s free fire
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I feel the Firestarter's centre torso flamer is a bit too big, but it's a minor complaint
It looks to be in the same scale as the Warhawk C's Flamer, I'd chalk it up to being a Light and much smaller.
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It looks to be in the same scale as the Warhawk C's Flamer, I'd chalk it up to being a Light and much smaller.
Yeah, it's more the proportions relative to the rest of the 'mech. The rectangular design of the weapon looks cool
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I'm just looking to get lots more IS mechs for my Fronc/Canpoian/Taurian Campaign Area
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Also, think of the dirty things you can do with two Firestarters and two Javelins with mixed Inferno/SRM loads. :evil:
I wanted to, but some nice gentlemen from Geneva told me to stop it... :grin:
I'll have to take a look at the pics -- seeing their art on the MUL, it's another in the long list of "I don't know how they did it, but they improved upon perfection" moments that the guys doing the redesigns have been racking up.
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Question is do we get to thread 8 before shipping?
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It looks to be in the same scale as the Warhawk C's Flamer, I'd chalk it up to being a Light and much smaller.
Beat me to it: I'm painting up the Warhawk C right now as new Star League Falcons and they look identical at first glance.
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Question is do we get to thread 8 before shipping?
Seeing how they're predicting fulfillment in March, well probably get past it.
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Placeholder.
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Seeing how they're predicting fulfillment in March, well probably get past it.
I've not been paying attention - is the current preduction for delivery in March 2024? Because it's great if it is, but in that case it feels like it might deliver before the Leviathan KS...
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TAG'd. The new artwork is beautiful work.
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Question is do we get to thread 8 before shipping?
Likely.
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I wanted to, but some nice gentlemen from Geneva told me to stop it... :grin:
I'll have to take a look at the pics -- seeing their art on the MUL, it's another in the long list of "I don't know how they did it, but they improved upon perfection" moments that the guys doing the redesigns have been racking up.
LOL. Too bad the Firestarters won't be out in time for me playing as the 99th Amaris Dragoons IN Geneva at the next Strategicon event.
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March delivery would be nice
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I've not been paying attention - is the current preduction for delivery in March 2024? Because it's great if it is, but in that case it feels like it might deliver before the Leviathan KS...
During the PAX Unplugged livestream Cubby talked about Force Manual Davion coming out Marchish with the Kickstarter stuff. The general assumption is that he was talking about Kickstarter fulfillment and not retail.
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March or a bit earlier lets them sell the new 40th shirts at GenCon & keep their promise.
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I wanted to, but some nice gentlemen from Geneva told me to stop it... :grin:
You need to use gas missiles and something with an Arrow IV to deploy nukes for the full Geneva Checklist...
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During the PAX Unplugged livestream Cubby talked about Force Manual Davion coming out Marchish with the Kickstarter stuff. The general assumption is that he was talking about Kickstarter fulfillment and not retail.
If this manages to get fulfilled in March, that'd be fantastic news. Coming in approximately 3 months prior to June would be a big boon.
Even if things come later, regardless, huge props to Liya and CGL for diligently working on this and keeping everyone updated. It's been great to see.
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Saw this shared
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that is a cool spread of boxes ... want to see the Blood Asp 'in person' though.
NM ... posted over in mini's section by Savage Coyote https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,83395.0.html
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I got my SL swag for the first one, I honestly just assumed Alaric would put his face at the center of the star for the Third one. I'd still get that one though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlaADgJZToM
For some reason I was picturing the map-scale DropShips coming in plain packaging.
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Nice seeing the updates and the photos of stuff.
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So these will be retail as well?
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Would be neat if they are. Get my dropships later.
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So these will be retail as well?
That was always how they were presented, though originally it was supposed to be through IWM's distribution network instead of Catalyst's.
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The versions that IWM sold back in the day also had some more issues with quality. I remember buying a Union that came in two halves that did not actually fit together.
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The versions that IWM sold back in the day also had some more issues with quality. I remember buying a Union that came in two halves that did not actually fit together.
That's very common with resin. Especially larger pieces.
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Will the Blood Asp be sold individually later on? I unfortunately missed the KS as I was saving for a trip to Japan at the time, but it's my favorite mech and I'd like to buy a few.
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Will the Blood Asp be sold individually later on? I unfortunately missed the KS as I was saving for a trip to Japan at the time, but it's my favorite mech and I'd like to buy a few.
Probably. The other salvage style boxes came to various stores as time went on after the KS.
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Dropships
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trying to mash the "like" button!
Glad I grabbed a Union ... an Union?
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Darn, the dropships look awesome. Wish I could of got one.
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Darn, the dropships look awesome. Wish I could of got one.
I think (hope) they may go retail, have not seen anything official though.
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If they take the time to do that packaging, it seems like a pretty good chance. The guy who makes that stuff is *busy*
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I think (hope) they may go retail, have not seen anything official though.
Check Mercenaries Kickstarter Update #56.
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Check Mercenaries Kickstarter Update #56.
Ironwind Metals are some dear friends and partners of ours, and one of their core team are going through a terminal medical issue. We’ve partnered with them to bring 3 new Drop Ship miniatures to the pledge manager. All profits from these minis gained from the pledge manager will go directly to Ironwind to help cover medical expenses. Once the pledge manager closes, we’ll purchase the minis from them to keep producing under the Catalyst flag.
thanks! (thanks again -- totally read that again though "Oh yeah, they did post that!")
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Those dropships look ace!
Glad I bagged some of them. :D
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The dropships are apparently made of ABS plastic. Would have been nice if the mechs and vehicles are also made out of that plastic, instead of PVC.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHvI5auM_UE
Concerning they are gluing the turets on the LRM/SRM Carriers. Even more concerning is the factories response. Looks look I comunication break down on these. Because they are saying there are no weapon options on them from the instructions they recived
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The video you linked shows them gluing the vehicle to the base, not the turret to the vehicle.
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The video you linked shows them gluing the vehicle to the base, not the turret to the vehicle.
I thought that at first two. But look closer he is holding it upsided down while doing the base. The Turret is already glued on. Then look at the companies comment when asked about it. You can also see the pile of them on the side with them knocked over with the turret on because it is glued down.
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Well, I got the honor to paint a Rifleman IIC and I could have a proper look at the miniature. The art was a huge improvement. The miniature is even better. It is one impressive step up to the old Rifleman IIC miniature. It has.. issues. Now it is gorgeous. The same could be said about the Highlander IIC. It is a real beauty.
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Well, I got the honor to paint a Rifleman IIC and I could have a proper look at the miniature. The art was a huge improvement. The miniature is even better. It is one impressive step up to the old Rifleman IIC miniature. It has.. issues. Now it is gorgeous. The same could be said about the Highlander IIC. It is a real beauty.
Oooooo.
And when do we get to see these?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHvI5auM_UE
Concerning they are gluing the turets on the LRM/SRM Carriers. Even more concerning is the factories response. Looks look I comunication break down on these. Because they are saying there are no weapon options on them from the instructions they recived
In another video they said the glue on the turret was only strong enough to keep them in place while shipping and can easily be broken with a little twist.
EDIT to add, also, there's a video of them packing the lance pack with the missile carriers and there's clearly a plastic baggie of parts in the box:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvepkBt1Mxw
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The versions that IWM sold back in the day also had some more issues with quality. I remember buying a Union that came in two halves that did not actually fit together.
I have two of those. They've been sitting in a box for over a decade. I occasionally take them out and try again, but it's like trying to force together jigsaw pieces from different sets. I can't wait for these new DropShips. Same model, but already looking infinitely better in quality.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHvI5auM_UE
Concerning they are gluing the turets on the LRM/SRM Carriers. Even more concerning is the factories response. Looks look I comunication break down on these. Because they are saying there are no weapon options on them from the instructions they recived
Randall just did an unboxing and shows the bag with the extra turrets in the box.
He also twists the turret.
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In another video they said the glue on the turret was only strong enough to keep them in place while shipping and can easily be broken with a little twist.
EDIT to add, also, there's a video of them packing the lance pack with the missile carriers and there's clearly a plastic baggie of parts in the box:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvepkBt1Mxw
And in the new update, Randall shows the off the option parts and twists the LRM Carrier's turret very easily.
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And in the new update, Randall shows the off the option parts and twists the LRM Carrier's turret very easily.
Yea I just saw the video of it
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Regarding the Legendary Battles maps: the Twycross ones are already available in the Reinforcements box, but for players that avoid neoprene and buy paper, will the Misery/Thunder Rift map also be available at some point?
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I thought that at first two. But look closer he is holding it upsided down while doing the base. The Turret is already glued on. Then look at the companies comment when asked about it. You can also see the pile of them on the side with them knocked over with the turret on because it is glued down.
Check out update #75.
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I have two of those. They've been sitting in a box for over a decade. I occasionally take them out and try again, but it's like trying to force together jigsaw pieces from different sets. I can't wait for these new DropShips. Same model, but already looking infinitely better in quality.
Yeah, it's a world of difference.
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Retail Blood Asps
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Retail Blood Asps
Is the Blood Asp a KS exclusive along with the clan aerospace fighter? I missed the KS this time unfortunately.
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It was a bonus but I don't believe they used the word exclusive.
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Is the Blood Asp a KS exclusive along with the clan aerospace fighter? I missed the KS this time unfortunately.
This time around there are no kickstarter exclusive minis*, the biggest question was whether the Blood Asp and Visigoth were going to be limited to Catalyst direct sales, like the salvage box only units last time**, or be available at retail.
*Legendary Mechwarriors I was explicitly exclusive to the Clan Invasion Kickstarter and Catalyst direct sales afterwards.
**The Urbanmech salvage box saw limited retail release with no fanfare, while as far as I have seen the Shilone did not get released to retailers that didn't back the kickstarter or buy it at retail from Catalyst and sell it at a markup.
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Regarding the Legendary Battles maps: the Twycross ones are already available in the Reinforcements box, but for players that avoid neoprene and buy paper, will the Misery/Thunder Rift map also be available at some point?
+1
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I have two of those. They've been sitting in a box for over a decade. I occasionally take them out and try again, but it's like trying to force together jigsaw pieces from different sets. I can't wait for these new DropShips. Same model, but already looking infinitely better in quality.
I have a modeler friend who fixed that problem for me. I still need to paint mine, though...it has been sitting waiting for almost as long as yours(Mine was one of the first runs). I need to buckledown and paint up the Magic Hate-ball...
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So I was watching some of the PAX Unplugged footage on YouTube regarding the Mercenaries Kickstarter. It was only mentioned briefly but Randal Bills had the Premium Record sheets in front of him and there were three packages. During the pledge manager I only saw one and that is what I ordered. Can someone clarify? How many Premium Mech Sheet packages are coming out of this Kickstarter?
Thanks.
Mike
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My understanding is that there's one set of premium sheets, but it might be split among multiple packs for shipping.
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So I was watching some of the PAX Unplugged footage on YouTube regarding the Mercenaries Kickstarter. It was only mentioned briefly but Randal Bills had the Premium Record sheets in front of him and there were three packages. During the pledge manager I only saw one and that is what I ordered. Can someone clarify? How many Premium Mech Sheet packages are coming out of this Kickstarter?
4 differentpremium record sheet packs were available in the pledge manager, 1 for the Mercenaries Kickstarter mechs, the set from the Clan Invasion campaign, and 2 additional sets for the rest of the mechs from the Clan Invasion campaign. All of the Clan Invasion ones were a single entry on the add-on page of the pledge manager, when you clicked on it it took you to a menu where you could choose between the three or a complete set of the three at a discount.
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I just saw the update with the 1st Somerset Strikers unboxing (can’t say if it’s the most recent or not; I seem to get update emails in a weird/random order, if I get the at all) and that Mauler and Hatamoto were everything I was hoping they’d be. The rest look good too, but those were two I had high hopes for and the mark appears to have been hit.
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Is the Blood Asp a KS exclusive along with the clan aerospace fighter? I missed the KS this time unfortunately.
In Randall's latest video, he showed off the retailer display box for the Blood Asp. That is pretty much proof that the Blood Asp will make it to retail.
No confirmation one way or another about the Visigoth ASF, though. At the very least, it'll show up in the CGL web store.
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Seeing that the BattleMech Manual got a seventh printing right now, and having bought a copy of it for my pledge in the KS, got me wondering. Would I get the latest printing, or would I get the printing that was available when I did the pledge? I suppose it depends if the pledge order has been packaged already or not. My guess is it will be the 6th printing.
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The 7th printing was likely caused by KS pledges do not necessarily
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Seeing that the BattleMech Manual got a seventh printing right now, and having bought a copy of it for my pledge in the KS, got me wondering. Would I get the latest printing, or would I get the printing that was available when I did the pledge? I suppose it depends if the pledge order has been packaged already or not. My guess is it will be the 6th printing.
If I was betting it will be the most current one. Odds are books are like this one were some of the last things sent to the printers since they books. I don't think they would print books months before expected shipping dates because then they have to pay for them to sit in China.
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Seeing that the BattleMech Manual got a seventh printing right now, and having bought a copy of it for my pledge in the KS, got me wondering. Would I get the latest printing, or would I get the printing that was available when I did the pledge? I suppose it depends if the pledge order has been packaged already or not. My guess is it will be the 6th printing.
I was one of the people hit by the one year delay in getting Sprawl Ops, and had ordered a copy of Shadowrun for a friend as part of my pledge. The listed version in the pledge manager was 5th edition, but 6th World was out by the time I got fulfilled and that's the version I got.
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It would be great to get the latest printing, not gonna lie. I already had the experience of buying the Total War book, just for it getting a new edition two weeks later.
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Guess I'll buy 5 or 6 Blood Asps. Favorite mech of all time, and with it's prevalence in the ilClan era just about all my forces want one.
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Does anyone know if Shipping will be auto-charged to the credit card I used, or is it something I will be able to use paypal on?
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Does anyone know if Shipping will be auto-charged to the credit card I used, or is it something I will be able to use paypal on?
Based on the responses from Backerkit at the end of the pledge manager period the CC info they had was deleted after the charges were finalized so you should have to choose payment method when it's time to pay for shipping.
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Shipping is going to be a lot for some people. Is it going to based on size, or weight??
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Probably both, depending on shipper.
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Any info about when the following digital rewards will be available since they are already available via online retail?
Along with Shrapnel #15 I'd like to know about a few other digital rewards that Regiment backers are supposed to receive that are already available through online retail.
A Tiny Bit of Rebellion (Kell Hounds #2)
A Clever Bit of Fiction (Kell Hounds #3)
If Auld Acquaintance Be Forgot (Kell Hounds #4)
The Mercenary Life anthology
Shrapnelt #15
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Duplicate post
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New Kickstarter update - how to do address updates if things will change in 2024 and DropShips unboxing video has dropped.
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Eeeeee!!! I'm excited for 2024!
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Seeing the dropships, I'm glad I passed on them.
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Seeing the dropships, I'm glad I passed on them.
Look just as good as the resin ones. Only way more noob friendly.
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Seeing the dropships, I'm glad I passed on them.
And I am the just the opposite I wish I would have gotten one or two.
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New Kickstarter update - how to do address updates if things will change in 2024 and DropShips unboxing video has dropped.
And in the comments for the update Catalyst is still expecting early next year for shipping.
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The Dropships look great.
Sad that I didnt get 1 or 12
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Dropships didn’t make my pledge. Some cuts had to be made to fit the premium universe book
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The dropships were cool but also something that I knew I'd never actually use- half the people in my normal gaming group have map-scale dropships that they've made themselves anyway, so in a scenario where we actually needed a dropship on the map we already have it covered.
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I think I did not get the dropships. I'll have to make a followup order once they're in general release.
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I think I did not get the dropships. I'll have to make a followup order once they're in general release.
Same here. I was thinking they were going to be just like the old resin ones I have from IWM.
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Same here. I was thinking they were going to be just like the old resin ones I have from IWM.
I have the resin Union and the plastic looks just like it. Pretty cool actually.
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I got the Union and will probably pick up an Overlord at a later date. I'm having a real challenge with the resin Fortress. I'm really out of practice working with pewter and the resin mold requires a lot of sculpting to get the right fit.
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I ordered the Union and wanted to order the other two but the quality issues stopped me from ordering more. I'll get the overlords when they hit retail.
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I got the Union and will probably pick up an Overlord at a later date. I'm having a real challenge with the resin Fortress. I'm really out of practice working with pewter and the resin mold requires a lot of sculpting to get the right fit.
I had to pin the hell out of the hull parts that are supposed to stick to the landing gear to make sure they'd stay. My first foray into gap-filler was piecing the two halves of the hull together, so that was an experience.
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Wonder how well magnets would work to allow changing of doors and landing legs
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Dropships didn’t make my pledge. Some cuts had to be made to fit the premium universe book
For me it was that and the BFM. I figured I could get the DropShips later
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I got a Union, will probably get some Overlords in retail. (Already have one of each in resin)
I'm hoping that the Union will be light enough to be used as a Christmas ornament, and that the Overlords can be fitted with a removable flight base for a 'horizontal' or 'vertical' mode, depending on environment.
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One of the guys in my group is already planning to make flight bases for horizontal placement on the space map...
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I did it for my resin Union, but the Overlord was just too heavy. That particular ship is pretty much stuck in ground games as a landed unit.
At least aerodynes are easier, only need one mounting point for the base.
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I'm hoping that the Union will be light enough to be used as a Christmas ornament
Tree topper?
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Wonder how well magenta would work to allow changing of doors and landing legs
I guess it depends on what color you make the rest of the hull.
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I guess it depends on what color you make the rest of the hull.
I'm guessing it was supposed to read "magnets" until auto-correct messed things up. :)
I'm getting 2 Union, 2 Overlord and an Overlord C.
And turning a Union into a Christmas ornament is a great idea! Will definitely look into that as well.
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Yep, magnets. Fixed now.
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Tree topper?
Nah, we've already got a homemade Elder Sign for that.
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I wonder if more of the common dropships will be made. A Leopard would be neat.
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My wish is for a map-scale Aurora. Would fit with the mercs theme.
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Anyone know how the new dropships for the Mercs KS compares to the Fortress dropship we got with the Clan Invasion KS?
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Saw a question here about the digital items for the Kickstarter yesterday, so I looked at my digital items and saw one that I didn't grab the first time the link became available: Fortunes of War #2. It shows added as of November 13th, but I didn't see any update about it.
Is there a plan to provide updates for the digital items, or do I need to randomly check for adds?
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My wish is for a map-scale Aurora. Would fit with the mercs theme.
Wait, you're right. Why isn't there a mini Aurora??
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Wait, you're right. Why isn't there a mini Aurora??
We live in a cold and uncaring universe.
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Well there is a "mini" Aurora but that is fleet scale.
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I picked up a resin union before the pandemic. untold tiny little bubbles in the surface. Not a nice fit between the halves either.
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Shrapnel #15 was added to the dropbox today.
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Shrapnel #15 was added to the dropbox today.
Google Drive? (checked my db and there was only stuff from the beginning of the campaign (I think) and CI things)
(edit: got it from google drive link)
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Check your email of update 50 for the link
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I went insane and added an Overlord-C for my Clanners, I didn’t even think of getting anything for mercs or other Spheroids themselves :laugh: The thing’s not even expecting any game time, it’s there for my completionist urges :tongue:
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... completionist urges :tongue:
our version of gold-fever, what did Tolkein call it in the hobbit?
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the point of no return is when you start chasing the keychains from the 90s.
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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrackIsCheaper
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our version of gold-fever, what did Tolkein call it in the hobbit?
"dragon sickness". though that was apparently just a kenning for greed, in context. (it comes up in the book in reference to the Master of laketown, who after the town is rebuilt and erebor refounded, saw so much wealth coming through the town that he "took most of the gold and fled with it, and died starving in the wasteland, abandoned by his companions")
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I got less Force Packs this time and focused on Swag. I figured I'll grab the FPs from my FLGS as they are available.
but MAN I can't wait for this all to ship! :-)
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I went for the Regiment pledge to get one of every force pack, all the maps, Legends II with the LE cover, Encounters and all that. All my extra cash went on the Precentor Martial edition of Universe and the BFM as I didn't think I'd have a chance to get the latter elsewhere. And then I added some dice, a dice tray and a couple more patches at the very end. But I figure I can the regular neoprenes I'm interested in, more minis and the Force Manuals at retail. And now CGL are going to be at UK Games Expo I'll hopefully score some swag then.
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the point of no return is when you start chasing the keychains from the 90s.
Damn it, I had two of those, and they both got beat up/lost lol.
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the point of no return is when you start chasing the keychains from the 90s.
Boxed or unboxed? :grin:
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Boxed or unboxed? :grin:
Yes.
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A video got posted by Liya packing Savanna Master salvage boxes. It has since been pulled.
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A lot more packing videos have been posted as well. Including the Blood Asp salvage, Visigoth salvage, and Legendary force packs.
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How many masters per box? Those shouldn't be big minis...
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Looks to be 2? from the screen cap DarkIsis was able to grab.
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According to HPG Station, two minis per base, two bases to the Salvage Box.
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He also posted this which shows 2 on a base for some reason?
You can find more on his site if it loads for you.
https://hpgstation.de/2024/01/11/mehr-produktionsvideos-blood-asp-savannah-master-salvage-box/
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is it like the Battle Armor, where 2 make a unit??
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Savannah Masters under regular rules are separate vehicles. It could be the BSP card bases the stats on an assumption that that two make up the unit.
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A video got posted by Liya packing Savanna Master salvage boxes. It has since been pulled.
Awesome!
Of all the vehicles that I thought we were missing the most in the Kiskstarter the top 2
were the Savannah Master and the Striker. If confirmed this is great news.
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As much as I'd like TPTB drop the secret (if there is one), I hope they stay tight lipped till shipping ... I'd like some savannah masters, be cool if they pop up like the Shilone did.
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Inside pieces: 4 sets. I think that means they ship in sets of four salvage boxes, not 4 masters per salvage.
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Inside pieces: 4 sets. I think that means they ship in sets of four salvage boxes, not 4 masters per salvage.
That image is clearly the label for the shipping case, it likely means 4 displays of Salvage Boxes per case as there is no way a single salvage box has a mass anywhere near the 2 kilograms on that label.
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That image is clearly the label for the shipping case, it likely means 4 displays of Salvage Boxes per case as there is no way a single salvage box has a mass anywhere near the 2 kilograms on that label.
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=83382.0;attach=74912;image
this image has 12 salvages. Assume that's a single display. Four display per box, 2 Masters per salvage. 96 masters per box, if those assumptions are correct.
I feel a sudden need for pulse lasers and LB pellets
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https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=83382.0;attach=74912;image (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=83382.0;attach=74912;image)
this image has 12 salvages. Assume that's a single display. Four display per box, 2 Masters per salvage. 96 masters per box, if those assumptions are correct.
Randall has previously stated that all salvage boxes from the Mercenaries campaign have a 9 box display, which makes it more likely that there are more than 1 display worth of boxes in that picture than the Savannah Masters getting a completely different sized display.
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I hope it's not 2 per base, that would be annoying to fix.
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I hope it's not 2 per base, that would be annoying to fix.
The picture on the back of the box shows two per base.
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I hope it's not 2 per base, that would be annoying to fix.
Agreed.
It'll be cool to have them though.
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The picture on the back of the box shows two per base.
More business for IWM, then.
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I got less Force Packs this time and focused on Swag. I figured I'll grab the FPs from my FLGS as they are available.
but MAN I can't wait for this all to ship! :-)
This was my plan as well. Got some of everything, but primarily swag since that's less likely to reach retail. I've got an amazing FLGS that carries a decent and growing stock of minis that I like to support, so most of the minis I get will come from there.
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Its just great to see new stuff, and maybe listing to the fans and the wants of the fans.
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I kind of want it to ship just so that I know the postage costs, given that money is... Massively tighter than when the kickstarter was on.
(And I'm having to worry about the freaking universal credit people doing things like saying "it's not enough you don't get money anymore, you owe us two hundred quid, which we've told you three times, but we're not actually going to tell you how to pay us yet, because, we dunno, we just like making people ill or something.")
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FYI, more and more of the upcoming Mercs KS units/sculpts are popping up on CamoSpecs :
https://camospecs.com/listing/timber-wolf-s/
https://camospecs.com/listing/charger-cgr-1a1-8/
https://camospecs.com/listing/firestarter-fs9-h-10/
Please note that in multiple cases (such as the first two examples above), the pictured miniatures
are 3D-printed prototypes. Even so, the pictures give us a better view of what to expect.
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Look great with a great painter
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Has this image been posted here yet?
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Look at all the pins.
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Look at the fixed river delta maps.
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It would be great to get a real kickstarter update with those kind of previews.
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He also posted this which shows 2 on a base for some reason?
You can find more on his site if it loads for you.
https://hpgstation.de/2024/01/11/mehr-produktionsvideos-blood-asp-savannah-master-salvage-box/
Honestly unless these are a lot cheaper other salvage boxs or has a lot more minis in it. I don't know why I wouldn't buy the cheaper IWM ones.
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Randall showing off the Savanah Master salvage box: https://youtu.be/MtDcbyIgvco (https://youtu.be/MtDcbyIgvco)
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Randall showing off the Savanah Master salvage box: https://youtu.be/MtDcbyIgvco (https://youtu.be/MtDcbyIgvco)
Nice
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I hope it's not 2 per base, that would be annoying to fix.
2 bases and 4 minis per box. Minis come off base with pegs and special hexes that can do singles or pairs.
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He said when we get our pledges this spring?!
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He said when we get our pledges this spring?!
Spring is from roughly March 20th to June 20th
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Spring is from roughly March 20th to June 20th
Spring starts on March 19th this year (maybe a side-effect of this being a leap year). I wasn't sure if he was referring to that or that we'll be seeing them when we open our boxes (even though it was not a part of the Kickstarter).
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They said the 40th shirt would be to backers 6 months before general release . . . and I expect the 40th shirt to be sold at GenCon, so . . .
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2 bases and 4 minis per box. Minis come off base with pegs and special hexes that can do singles or pairs.
not seeing the point of doing pairs per base in either gameplay or display use.
unless we're going to see some rules update for super-lightweight vehicles allowing a form of "squadron rules"
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Stacking allows two units from one side per hex...
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Stacking allows two units from one side per hex...
Now that I think about it, I guess I could do the same with IWM light APCs.
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Honestly-that' pretty freaken awesome.!
I think the 2 or 1 per base choice is actually pretty good.
When operating swarms that can be common.
Only problem I see is that if you want them to be side by side
they appear as though they have to be pointed at the CORNER
of a hex instead of the flat edge to indicate facing.
As made it looks like you will have to make them sit with 1 in the
front and the other behind and to the side.
If you want to actually put them side by side and face the appropriate
hex flat you will have to drill 2 more holes.
Actually-I think I'd like to keep 1 hex as is and the other drill new holes for a variety.
The important part is that the mini itself looks FANTASTIC and by putting the pin
sticking out of the mini they made it easier for the end user to mod any hex base
to mount them as is.
You could easily place the SM mini on the base with anything else by just
drilling the right sized hole.
That's pretty cool within itself.
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He said when we get our pledges this spring?!
Did he "say" anything? All I heard was a faint murmur at max volume. Dude needs a new mic.
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Did he "say" anything? All I heard was a faint murmur at max volume. Dude needs a new mic.
I heard him talking throughout pretty much the whole video. He did say “Spring”, but didn’t mention any specific dates.
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Did he "say" anything? All I heard was a faint murmur at max volume. Dude needs a new mic.
I can't understand him, either. I think it is a combination of microphone, angle to microphone, and just Randall's voice. Either that, or I need hearing aides.
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I heard him talking throughout pretty much the whole video. He did say “Spring”, but didn’t mention any specific dates.
And we won't get specific dates until stuff arrives in Catalyst's warehouse.
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Did he "say" anything? All I heard was a faint murmur at max volume. Dude needs a new mic.
He sounded tired and frustrated to me. Wasn't a video he really wanted to make but since Lifa ruined the big surprise, he went ahead and filmed it. I would have mumbled through it as well.
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double post
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I'd assume it was a hardware issue - like he had a mic nearer his face but the computer selected an onboard one instead.
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And we won't get specific dates until stuff arrives in Catalyst's warehouse.
It's Chinese new year crunch time. If everything ships from China by February 10th, it's good. If it doesn't ship by Chinese new year, it's going to add more time to waiting for delivery. It would be great to hear some kind of shipping update.
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It's Chinese new year crunch time. If everything ships from China by February 10th, it's good. If it doesn't ship by Chinese new year, it's going to add more time to waiting for delivery. It would be great to hear some kind of shipping update.
Last we heard was at Essen, where a Liya rep said they were intending to ship from their facility by the end of last year. IIRC he also said they were only waiting on DropShip production to complete at that point, and we've seen production videos of them from late last year.
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2 per base only works if both vees have the same facing at all times AND move identically at all times AND neither one takes any damage or they both take identical damage at all times.
This is no good, and extremely worrisome, along the same vein as their neglecting to actually put vehicle rules in their intro to vehicles box, or their refusal to put out an updated record sheet for their plastic ASF when every other plastic unit has gotten one or more.
I'm seeing writing on the wall, and that writing is obscene.
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Based on the sample they come loose in the box with two hex bases, so it's easy to either leave them loose or mount them on separate bases if you prefer. I was expecting their Battlefield Support Cards to be representing a pair of them, but who knows now
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The problem is that by only putting two bases in the box, people aren't being given the option of putting they Savannah Masters 1 per base. They're given the option of half of them have bases and half have none.
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The problem is that by only putting two bases in the box, people aren't being given the option of putting they Savannah Masters 1 per base. They're given the option of half of them have bases and half have none.
The other problem is if they included 4 bases for the 4 Savannah Masters, those who want 2 per base now have two extra bases.
Honestly no easy fix here.
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4 smaller hex bases might have been better, but it's a ship that has sailed. I'm in two minds about leaving the plastic vehicles on hex bases in general because none of my metal ones are and I don't know how I feel about basing all of them. If I do base the Savannah Masters then I'll probably get some of the metal bases IWM use for Fleet-scale dropships instead of full-size ones
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The problem is that by only putting two bases in the box, people aren't being given the option of putting they Savannah Masters 1 per base. They're given the option of half of them have bases and half have none.
I'm extremely confident that you have extra bases somewhere or can easily source extra bases to fix this for yourself, and in the meantime I'm going to be happy that I can get plastic Savannah Masters at all.
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The other problem is if they included 4 bases for the 4 Savannah Masters, those who want 2 per base now have two extra bases.
Honestly no easy fix here.
It's always better to have more than less. Easy fix for two extra bases - objective counters.
Now, getting your hands on 30mm hex bases is rather easy in USA, and other countries where hex based war gaming is a thing. Not some much easy anywhere else. Ordering hex bases online makes sense only for greater quantities or in conjunction with other stuff, but what if you need just 2?
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I'm extremely confident that you have extra bases somewhere or can easily source extra bases to fix this for yourself, and in the meantime I'm going to be happy that I can get plastic Savannah Masters at all.
So what happened to making playing Battletech as user friendly as possible and as easiest as possible? This has been the mantra whenever someone mentioned force packs with unassembled mechs.
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Getting caught on the other side of the Chinese New Year delayed the CI Kickstarter.
Lets hope not this year.
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So what happened to making playing Battletech as user friendly as possible and as easiest as possible? This has been the mantra whenever someone mentioned force packs with unassembled mechs.
It has three holes for user friendliness.
But frankly this is clearly an experiment, if the long-term feedback is positive then CGL will have a lot more options for the future.
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So what happened to making playing Battletech as user friendly as possible and as easiest as possible? This has been the mantra whenever someone mentioned force packs with unassembled mechs.
Fortunately, you can also still play them right out of the box as one base = one unit. I feel like that is both fast and easy.
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I'm extremely confident that you have extra bases somewhere or can easily source extra bases to fix this for yourself, and in the meantime I'm going to be happy that I can get plastic Savannah Masters at all.
I'm happy we're getting Savannah Masters as well. But I do not believe that the only way for them to exist was with the inclusion of a weird mechanic that is only occasionally supported by the actual gameplay.
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I mean, like... Use cardboard? If you can't be bothered to get a ruler, just trace around an existing hex base? Like what I have always done until the point I had a 3D printer and got lazy and decided that one hex and an extrude was easier than getting a ruler out. Cereal box cardboard with magnabase stuck to it is more than good enough material to stick models on; I have hundreds of models of various types that just used that Double-especially if you're going to put some basing material.
Bases are so trivial to do I am astonished this could ever be considered a problem either way.
Hell, it's only a concession to BT's hex-based system I even bother putting hex bases on my vehicles at all, as opposed to just enough of a base to stick magnabase to. (And will probably do with my vehicles anyway even when provided the ones in the boxes, because I hazard the bases will be thinner that way.)
(I don't base my 144th stuff at all, except for infantry and bikes.)
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2 per base only works if both vees have the same facing at all times AND move identically at all times AND neither one takes any damage or they both take identical damage at all times.
This is no good, and extremely worrisome, along the same vein as their neglecting to actually put vehicle rules in their intro to vehicles box, or their refusal to put out an updated record sheet for their plastic ASF when every other plastic unit has gotten one or more.
I'm seeing writing on the wall, and that writing is obscene.
OR . . .
A) it is to make the value match- people already complain about the Elemental pricing- this especially factors in if you can easily remove them
B) they would be 'generic light veh' stand ins for the simplified veh rules as presented in Tukayyid
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I wonder if the support card is a pair of Savannah Masters vs just a single.
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Gods, I hope not. Given how many players are getting their intro to vehicle rules this way, the more differences they push at this point the easier it will be to completely shove the actual vehicle rules off to the side.
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It's always better to have more than less. Easy fix for two extra bases - objective counters.
Now, getting your hands on 30mm hex bases is rather easy in USA, and other countries where hex based war gaming is a thing. Not some much easy anywhere else. Ordering hex bases online makes sense only for greater quantities or in conjunction with other stuff, but what if you need just 2?
if you want I can show you how to draft a hex, I'm sure most people can procure suitable material and saw/knife
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This is a serious throwback question... I hope someone can help.
From the Clan Invasion Kickstarter, how was Volume 3 of Founding of the Clans shared? I received keys to redeem Vol 1 and Vol 2 via CrowdOx but for the life of me, I can't seem to find any emails related to Volume 3.
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This is a serious throwback question... I hope someone can help.
From the Clan Invasion Kickstarter, how was Volume 3 of Founding of the Clans shared? I received keys to redeem Vol 1 and Vol 2 via CrowdOx but for the life of me, I can't seem to find any emails related to Volume 3.
I think I had to email the store to get that one. Don't recall ever receiving a key or anything like that.
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So I think this may be my second post ever, but. . . I seriously cannot believe people are whining about them giving us an extra 2 free savanna masters without bases alongside the 2 free savanna masters they are giving us, FOR FREE. I hope this isn't too harsh language for this forum, but that reaction to a cool bonus is sickening. And to add to all the obvious comments about cutting or 3d printing bases or not using them for vehicles anyway, I think I have about 8 mechs on their standard ral partha ovals that have been played with happily without hex bases for decades.
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2 per base only works if both vees have the same facing at all times AND move identically at all times AND neither one takes any damage or they both take identical damage at all times.
This is no good, and extremely worrisome, along the same vein as their neglecting to actually put vehicle rules in their intro to vehicles box, or their refusal to put out an updated record sheet for their plastic ASF when every other plastic unit has gotten one or more.
I'm seeing writing on the wall, and that writing is obscene.
They could be 2 per base to support the upcoming new Vehicle Based Support Rules/Cards. I cannot remember if the Savannah's were balanced to be 2 units. But again, something I do not know.
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That Firestarter image had me riding a nostalgia wave this morning.
In summer of 1992, a group of high-school age friends in the northwestern Denver suburbs got their hands on some of the early Clan books to add to their existing Battletech campaign. But they needed players for the Clan factions- and not just any players, but rubes that they could teach the basics of the game to, then wallop on a twice-a-week basis. There was no effort to really play by actual rules- just make it up as you go, the newbies won't know the difference. (Example- line of sight means being on the same row of hexes as your opponent! And an AMS? Whatever, we don't know how it works so it doesn't do anything. Ignore it.)
The result was bringing in one of the players' younger brother, age 12, and a few of his friends around the same age. As they got recruited to learn the game, they got to pick what Clan they played as. With the second pick (Wolf had been taken first), a 12-year-old, tall, gawky little blond kid picked Clan Jade Falcon- partly because it sounded cool, partly because his mom owned a green parrot that he hated.
The Mech issued as his first Mech as a Jade Falcon warrior? A Firestarter, the 3050 upgrade. Yeeeeeah. I know. Again, this was not a fair and balanced game. (Side note, the Davion player was at this point rolling Daishis. We found this odd, but didn't think anything of it at first.) We played a couple of months, never winning games, always just getting beat on by the House players, slowly realizing that the games were very rigged and the rulebooks weren't being made available for good reason to us...
So even as bad as it is, even as lopsided as my fights were, even as that Mech died due to its AMS ammo being blown up (the system doesn't work, but the ammo sure does!), even as our younger group left en masse and pooled resources on the way home to buy our own box sets and TROs so we could learn the game ourselves the right way (mostly)... I've kept a warm spot in my heart, pun intended, for the Firestarter ever since. That was Genesis, that's where my Battletech career began. Getting a new miniature of it after all these years- particularly one that looks that nice- it means more to me than it really normally should.
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if you want I can show you how to draft a hex, I'm sure most people can procure suitable material and saw/knife
Thank you for the offered help, mate, I was able to sort myself out with some small round balsa wood pieces and a box cutter. It sounds easier than it was, as I the proper material for the base was not that easy to find. I just stumbled upon it by chance. Had an epiphany when I saw those balsa wood pieces.
My post, that you responded to, was mostly to bring notice to the fact that what is easy for certain forum members to get or do is not that easy or available for other people to do.
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I wonder how much the Savannah Master salvage box is going to cost in retail. Getting a box or a couple for free in your kickstarter box is very nice, but this is also going to be available in retail if I am not mistaken.
It will depend on the price in the end, but my money is on that it will be a Salvage Box with the least number of sales, the same as the Elemental force pack.
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I wonder how much the Savannah Master salvage box is going to cost in retail. Getting a box or a couple for free in your kickstarter box is very nice, but this is also going to be available in retail if I am not mistaken.
It will depend on the price in the end, but my money is on that it will be a Salvage Box with the least number of sales, the same as the Elemental force pack.
Its more likely to be the $8 like most other Salvage boxes, if its the $12 of the other vehicle salvage boxes then they are almost double the price of buying metal Savannah Masters from IWM.
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It's always better to have more than less. Easy fix for two extra bases - objective counters.
Now, getting your hands on 30mm hex bases is rather easy in USA, and other countries where hex based war gaming is a thing. Not some much easy anywhere else. Ordering hex bases online makes sense only for greater quantities or in conjunction with other stuff, but what if you need just 2?
There is another alternative. The IWM Battleforce Hex bases are 3/4", and will fit those Savannah Masters quite easily. They are the same size as the bases that come with Protomechs, too. I purchased a few from Aries Miniatures, and put some small CVs (like Badgers) on them and they work quite well. Haven't taken pictures of them yet that I can show here, yet.
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So I think this may be my second post ever, but. . . I seriously cannot believe people are whining about them giving us an extra 2 free savanna masters without bases alongside the 2 free savanna masters they are giving us, FOR FREE. I hope this isn't too harsh language for this forum, but that reaction to a cool bonus is sickening. And to add to all the obvious comments about cutting or 3d printing bases or not using them for vehicles anyway, I think I have about 8 mechs on their standard ral partha ovals that have been played with happily without hex bases for decades.
I must have missed something. The Savannah Masters box is going to be free? If so, I'm okay with this. If not, then shipping something people paid for without half the bases is seriously uncool.
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Something I've always wondered and now is as good a time as any to ask around since bases are the hot topic...
Considering the stacking rules for infantry with vehicles, how does one deal with that efficiently?
Now I haven't managed to get to use vees and infantry for many years and back in those days I simply used axis&allies(the real one, not the miniature game) "minis" as proxys for vees and a handfull of mishmashed and loaded off wh40k minis for infantry (and of course bipedal mechs allow a fair measure of space i the hex, even with a base themselves), so everything could still fit in an hex, but what is it people do to manage the space with a base full of elementals that you have to stack with a 'mech? And of course, the idea of a friggin' ontos taking up the whole hex is even more daunting then bipedal 'mechs in this stackable world.
So yeah, how does one efficiently stack units?
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I must have missed something. The Savannah Masters box is going to be free? If so, I'm okay with this. If not, then shipping something people paid for without half the bases is seriously uncool.
In the unboxing video Randall talked about how they were supposed to be a free surprise for backers, we only got the unboxing video because Liya international accidentally posted a packing video of the Savannah Masters Salvage Box onto their Youtube channel. They will later get a retail release like all of the other salvage boxes from the campaign.
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I must have missed something. The Savannah Masters box is going to be free? If so, I'm okay with this. If not, then shipping something people paid for without half the bases is seriously uncool.
Randall mentions the great joy of dropping the Shilone into everybody's box and trying to recapture that feeling with a new secret Salvage Box but ComStar got in the way, so he's going to be showing us what's being tossed into everybody's box as an extra cool, wonderful thank you. (audio on the video sucks, but closed captioning works fine).
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Randall mentions the great joy of dropping the Shilone into everybody's box and trying to recapture that feeling with a new secret Salvage Box but ComStar got in the way, so he's going to be showing us what's being tossed into everybody's box as an extra cool, wonderful thank you. (audio on the video sucks, but closed captioning works fine).
makes me wonder if they're going to try and sneak some other item in as an actual surprise gift. say an extra poster print or something that would be easy for them to set up.
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So yeah, how does one efficiently stack units?
My vehicles & BA are not on hexes . . . Protos come on those, but they are smaller.
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Now I haven't managed to get to use vees and infantry for many years and back in those days I simply used axis&allies(the real one, not the miniature game) "minis" as proxys for vees and a handfull of mishmashed and loaded off wh40k minis for infantry (and of course bipedal mechs allow a fair measure of space i the hex, even with a base themselves), so everything could still fit in an hex, but what is it people do to manage the space with a base full of elementals that you have to stack with a 'mech? And of course, the idea of a friggin' ontos taking up the whole hex is even more daunting then bipedal 'mechs in this stackable world.
So yeah, how does one efficiently stack units?
For me, it's using 3/4" bases, much like I referenced up above. The older Protomechs already come with them, so it makes sense.
I traded the Elementals that came with my Clan Invasion box for another Raven after the dog obliterated it better than Long Toms doing the 1812 Overture, and then went with metal ones from IWM. I put the infantry on 3/4" Fender Washers or steel discs used for jewelry stamping, and they work quite well.
Vehicles are a different story. Many are too big to manage, but smaller ones like the J. Edgar or Badger, are small enough for the 3/4" Battleforce hexes. Odds are, they will only be Stacking with each other or with Infantry, so minimal problems there. For the big boys like the Ontos, just don't ever plan on Stacking them with your own units, so Stacking needs are minimal.
On the table top, it usually involves scooting them a little bit over here and there to indicate that they are both in the hex. Works with Infantry, Protomechs, and Combat Vehicles that are on 3/4" bases, but not so much for units with the full 30mm bases. I'll try and get some pictures for perspective with a hex map to demonstrate.
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This is the Somerset Strikers Bushwacker apparently. It was said to come with the Vulture parts by the person who looked into it and pointed it out.
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While those resemble Vulture legs, they're not genuine Vulture legs. As the B'wacker was based on Vulture schematics & parts, the similarity is perhaps not surprising.
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Something I've always wondered and now is as good a time as any to ask around since bases are the hot topic...
Considering the stacking rules for infantry with vehicles, how does one deal with that efficiently?
Now I haven't managed to get to use vees and infantry for many years and back in those days I simply used axis&allies(the real one, not the miniature game) "minis" as proxys for vees and a handfull of mishmashed and loaded off wh40k minis for infantry (and of course bipedal mechs allow a fair measure of space i the hex, even with a base themselves), so everything could still fit in an hex, but what is it people do to manage the space with a base full of elementals that you have to stack with a 'mech? And of course, the idea of a friggin' ontos taking up the whole hex is even more daunting then bipedal 'mechs in this stackable world.
So yeah, how does one efficiently stack units?
I never mounted vees on hex bases before and most of them can fit two in a hex base, or will only have a little overlap into adjacent ones (with notable exceptions like the Mars). But even if you were to pop the new plastics off their bases they're bigger than the plastics in many cases so lining them up in a hex might not work. The Mercenaries box is coming with a counter sheet and according to one of the Adepticon streams part of that is so you can replace a mini with a counter if you need to stack them.
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While those resemble Vulture legs, they're not genuine Vulture legs. As the B'wacker was based on Vulture schematics & parts, the similarity is perhaps not surprising.
What's that he's standing on, though?
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Feet?
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I see that Chinese New Year is going on.
Did the Kickstarter make it out before??
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makes me wonder if they're going to try and sneak some other item in as an actual surprise gift. say an extra poster print or something that would be easy for them to set up.
Unlikely, at this stage adding another surprise would be costly and possibly cause chaos. He also sounded very disappointed to me.
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While those resemble Vulture legs, they're not genuine Vulture legs. As the B'wacker was based on Vulture schematics & parts, the similarity is perhaps not surprising.
It’s standing on a Vulture cockpit/shoulder
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I apologize, I was not aware that the Savannah Masters were a free bonus. That's rather cool, though when/if it's up on the CGL store I hope they spell out the number of bases in the box.
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So managed to get a picture all lined up and on a hex map to demonstrate the 3/4" life.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ABLVV845k4PJYJviVGhhS_bN995IiVLLTf4GEHlEVFypjRxQ2d_yMXCnCdoA8HU8a_0AbutYY6rHjbTcjYHtIXmh6_4GROEdjBdawW2WzI0inmI_JwCP0DDn3nFxcOES8Ys4KvKuSvljqPAJl0QOjZudXTa5=w450-h501-s-no-gm?authuser=0)
Back Row: CGL Wolverine and Conjurer.
Mid row: IWM Infantry, IWM Elemental, Badger on Battleforce Hex, and Roc.
Front row: IWM 30mm hex base, painted battleforce hex.
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I see that Chinese New Year is going on.
Did the Kickstarter make it out before??
Chinese New year starts what the 10th of feb this year.
I have seen nothing to think it would. I don't think it is going to ship till the end of march when they plan to ship Levithan last I herd. No reason I think that other than it would make sense to do it all at once. But remember up until June 21st is still spring. So when they have been saying Spring they haven't actually be saying a date earlier than they promised since day one.
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So managed to get a picture all lined up and on a hex map to demonstrate the 3/4" life.
Back Row: CGL Wolverine and Conjurer.
Mid row: IWM Infantry, IWM Elemental, Badger on Battleforce Hex, and Roc.
Front row: IWM 30mm hex base, painted battleforce hex.
That gives a good idea of the scale. Will have to look into such sized bases. Very helpful. Now I'm curious whether the CGL elementals can be safely unbased.
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So even as bad as it is, even as lopsided as my fights were, even as that Mech died due to its AMS ammo being blown up (the system doesn't work, but the ammo sure does!), even as our younger group left en masse and pooled resources on the way home to buy our own box sets and TROs so we could learn the game ourselves the right way (mostly)... I've kept a warm spot in my heart, pun intended, for the Firestarter ever since. That was Genesis, that's where my Battletech career began. Getting a new miniature of it after all these years- particularly one that looks that nice- it means more to me than it really normally should.
My first games were in a Rifleman 4D during the Clan Invasion. I was horribly out-classed and out-gunned. At least the people introducing me to the game taught the game. I mastered the 'mech. And, to this day, I will take a Rifleman over any other 'mech offered. I think, really, the 1st 'mech we run sits with us.
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I don't know about that. The first mech I ever ran was a Mercury and to this day I regularly forget that that mech even exists.
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mine was a whitworth and i hope one day to make it completely extinct so that experience is not universal
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Chinese New year starts what the 10th of feb this year.
I have seen nothing to think it would. I don't think it is going to ship till the end of march when they plan to ship Levithan last I herd. No reason I think that other than it would make sense to do it all at once. But remember up until June 21st is still spring. So when they have been saying Spring they haven't actually be saying a date earlier than they promised since day one.
Honestly I think if it doesn't ship until the end of March it seems unlikely that everyone's order will be shipped out by June 21st. Between transit time, time waiting to be unloaded, time stuck in customs, shipping everything to the warehouses, picking and packing orders, etc. That said if the Kickstarter even manages to deliver in July, it would still be one of the fastest Kickstarters ever, haha. It's pretty regular in my experience to see them deliver six months to a year late.
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Honestly I think if it doesn't ship until the end of March it seems unlikely that everyone's order will be shipped out by June 21st. Between transit time, time waiting to be unloaded, time stuck in customs, shipping everything to the warehouses, picking and packing orders, etc. That said if the Kickstarter even manages to deliver in July, it would still be one of the fastest Kickstarters ever, haha. It's pretty regular in my experience to see them deliver six months to a year late.
I mean you are not wrong. I mean Kickstarters almost never ship on time and early. Every Kickstarter that CGL has done has been late. So I don't honestly see a reason to expect otherwise. But looking at were things are at and knowing they have to give people time to pay for shipping. I think on time would be really hard at this point.
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If it comes a couple of months late, it’s still better than my wave 2.5 of the Clan Invasion Kickstarter. I hope Catalyst will say something at least a little bit if things have got pushed back or not.
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Yeah an extra month or two is nothing, Freebord Indiegogo took 3 years to fulfill.
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mine was a whitworth and i hope one day to make it completely extinct so that experience is not universal
I mean for 3025 it's a good mech, it just ages poorly against star league tech
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Depends on the variant, too. The 3050 "upgrade" is terrible.
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I'm not too upset about when exactly I get my plastic pile. But not knowing when it will ship is a bit stressful as I am going to have to move at some unknown point this year, which might complicate shipping I don't want to lock in a shipping address and then not have things ship for months later such that I am at a new house by then.
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Depends on the variant, too. The 3050 "upgrade" is terrible.
My hatred was in reply to the notion that your first mech retains some special significance. It doesn’t matter whether the whitworth is “good” or not. I will always hate it.
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I'm not too upset about when exactly I get my plastic pile. But not knowing when it will ship is a bit stressful as I am going to have to move at some unknown point this year, which might complicate shipping I don't want to lock in a shipping address and then not have things ship for months later such that I am at a new house by then.
Generally the last "confirm your address" mail goes out shortly before shipping begins. So unless your move is going to be within a month or so of getting the mail, you're probably safe.
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My hatred was in reply to the notion that your first mech retains some special significance. It doesn’t matter whether the whitworth is “good” or not. I will always hate it.
Still better than a Mercury.
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not relevant to my personal experience. coincidentally, the mercury was likely slated for ilclan extinction until the RG entry.
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If it comes a couple of months late, it’s still better than my wave 2.5 of the Clan Invasion Kickstarter. I hope Catalyst will say something at least a little bit if things have got pushed back or not.
I am not worried about a few months either. It is pretty clear the stuff is being made after all. I just don't like or understand the push by some thinking it is going to be so early. It just sets up false expectations that leave people mad and disappointed. We have even seen some post on the Kickstarter page thinking the stuff is late when it isn't even close. I think CGL brings some of that on it's self by making suggestions that it could be early. There is zero benifit to bring up that posiablity till you know for sure.
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Any kickstarter that arrives less than 6 months late is early.
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Any kickstarter that arrives less than 6 months late is early.
Seyla!
I always add 6 months to the projected time if it is just books, a year if it is miniatures. That way, I am never disappointed....except for Robotech Tactics :(
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Seyla!
I always add 6 months to the projected time if it is just books, a year if it is miniatures. That way, I am never disappointed....except for Robotech Tactics :(
Well at lest when Robotech Tactics when it disappointed it did so in amazing Nuke of a Failure that will be talked about for all time....so there is that...
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Well at lest when Robotech Tactics when it disappointed it did so in amazing Nuke of a Failure that will be talked about for all time....so there is that...
Somehow, I do not think that makes anyone feel better (unless we were the ones, saying 'man, I missed out on supporting this' ... then breathed a little easier when mushroom cloud dissipated.)
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Any kickstarter that arrives less than 6 months late is early.
It's been over two years since I backed the Mothership kickstarter and I still have nothing to show for it. I'm not too fussed because I trust that they are progressing, but... yeah... Catalyst would need a hell of a fulfillment delay for me to consider anything late.
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Somehow, I do not think that makes anyone feel better
no, no it does not. the company is still being harrassed by people over it, with people trying to make all their more recent crowdsourcing projects (for actual RPG books and related merchandise that they actually can deliver fairly rapidly, and have) tank and generally be nasty trolls about it.
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no, no it does not. the company is still being harrassed by people over it, with people trying to make all their more recent crowdsourcing projects (for actual RPG books and related merchandise that they actually can deliver fairly rapidly, and have) tank and generally be nasty trolls about it.
It is shocking that dude has been able to keep his company open after the robotech debacle.
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That Robotech Kickstarter and the cluster frack it was, made me limit what I ordered on the Clan Invasion Kickstarter.
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no, no it does not. the company is still being harrassed by people over it, with people trying to make all their more recent crowdsourcing projects (for actual RPG books and related merchandise that they actually can deliver fairly rapidly, and have) tank and generally be nasty trolls about it.
Palladium has been misleading people and abusing trust for DECADES at this point. The Robotech Kickstarter was just a crowing moment of failure in that regards. Multiple warnings were brought up about Palladium's past history but everyone wanted this to succeed so they ignored them. The result was one of the biggest kickstarter horror stories we've ever seen.
I'm glad that their recent Kickstarters seem to have turned that around, but you dont erase that level of failure with just a couple good results. They've got a long way to go before they earn back any trust, especially when the person who owns the company still has their fingers in everything. So I am not surprised people are still giving very big warnings about their past history here.
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Palladium has been misleading people and abusing trust for DECADES at this point. The Robotech Kickstarter was just a crowing moment of failure in that regards. Multiple warnings were brought up about Palladium's past history but everyone wanted this to succeed so they ignored them. The result was one of the biggest kickstarter horror stories we've ever seen.
I'm glad that their recent Kickstarters seem to have turned that around, but you dont erase that level of failure with just a couple good results. They've got a long way to go before they earn back any trust, especially when the person who owns the company still has their fingers in everything. So I am not surprised people are still giving very big warnings about their past history here.
I am shocked after the robotech epic failure the are even allowed to do another one. Even more shocked people woult take the risk.
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Maybe we'll see some more news next Tuesday since the following was posted on the BattleTech (and Catalyst Game Labs) Facebook pages:
You have been wondering what has been going on with CGL behind the scenes. Well, we are tired of keeping EVERYTHING a secret, so we are starting a new program!
Introducing Tuesday Newsday with our host, Rem Alternis!
Our first program will be available to watch next week on our YouTube channel, on February 13th! We hope to see you there! (Makeup not included!)
https://www.youtube.com/@catalyst-game-labs
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Maybe we'll see some more news next Tuesday since the following was posted on the BattleTech (and Catalyst Game Labs) Facebook pages:
Will be nice to get some updates. Keep the fan base happy.
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Will be nice to get some updates. Keep the fan base happy.
Hahahaha thats funny.
Oh, your serious.
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I am shocked after the robotech epic failure the are even allowed to do another one. Even more shocked people woult take the risk.
Same here.
Robotech was my first Kickstarter participation. Every single project I backed after that was sunshine and rainbows in comparison.
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no, no it does not. the company is still being harrassed by people over it, with people trying to make all their more recent crowdsourcing projects (for actual RPG books and related merchandise that they actually can deliver fairly rapidly, and have) tank and generally be nasty trolls about it.
trust is easy to lose and hard to gain.
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Grizzly from an event Randall is hosting
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I'm glad that their recent Kickstarters seem to have turned that around, but you dont erase that level of failure with just a couple good results. They've got a long way to go before they earn back any trust, especially when the person who owns the company still has their fingers in everything. So I am not surprised people are still giving very big warnings about their past history here.
However, their recent Kickstarters haven't actually been by Palladium. They have been by PEG, for Savage Worlds ports of Rifts. And PEG is a company that is professionally run. Palladium has a lot of issues that mostly rest at the feet of one man. I think all of us unfortunate enough to have done the Robotech KS have enough trauma still...and CGL is *WAY* more professional a company.
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Grizzly from an event Randall is hosting
Nice!
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However, their recent Kickstarters haven't actually been by Palladium. They have been by PEG, for Savage Worlds ports of Rifts. And PEG is a company that is professionally run. Palladium has a lot of issues that mostly rest at the feet of one man. I think all of us unfortunate enough to have done the Robotech KS have enough trauma still...and CGL is *WAY* more professional a company.
actually they've done two for palladium, the Titan Robotics Sourcebook (in november 2022. funded in 5 hours, backerkit in Feburary 2023, finished shipping by august 2023), and the currently running a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and other Strangeness deluxe reprint KS. (started october 2023, funded within hours. pledge manager to launch soon)
however the company has a new co-owner, who also is the chief creative director now. he's the one runnign the KS's, and part of the reason the company is recovering.
Palladium has been misleading people and abusing trust for DECADES at this point. The Robotech Kickstarter was just a crowing moment of failure in that regards. Multiple warnings were brought up about Palladium's past history but everyone wanted this to succeed so they ignored them. The result was one of the biggest kickstarter horror stories we've ever seen.
I'm glad that their recent Kickstarters seem to have turned that around, but you dont erase that level of failure with just a couple good results. They've got a long way to go before they earn back any trust, especially when the person who owns the company still has their fingers in everything. So I am not surprised people are still giving very big warnings about their past history here.
i'm sorry, i don't care how upset a KS made you, it doesn't deserve death threats to company staff, 24/7 harassment online to the point a writer attempted suicide, and more than ten years of attempts to actively destroy the lives and livelihoods of the people involved with the company. the behavior of the trolls goes way past "very big warnings" and into deranged sociopathy. and most of them stepped over that line not long after the RTT thing ended.
and i've seen worse ones,. the KODT film kickstarter had the guy involved for making the film literally take the money and run, then run three other KS's through different names where he did the same thing (pencil dice for example). Ninja Division's multiple KS for super dungeon explore, starfinder, way of the fighter, and Rail Riders Infinite still remain unfulfilled to this day, nearly a decade after they were funded. (and indeed, much of the stuff people blame palladium for stemmed from ninja Division's involvement in the RTT project for the miniatures side)
by kickstarter standards the RTT kickstarter was fairly typical for the time it was done.. people invested in it, the company did its best to fulfill, but wasn't able to deliver on all of the stretch goals it promised. and unlike most it actually attempted to ensure that the backers got their money's worth in the end. its problem was the PB staff was out of its element and a bit over their heads, and it was substantially larger a KS than most for the time.
I am shocked after the robotech epic failure the are even allowed to do another one. Even more shocked people woult take the risk.
they followed kickstarter guidelines for declaring a failed project, and did their "trade wave 2 value for existing product" exchange which by KS's terms of service, cleared out the existing KS. that some backers were idiots and refused to take the deal was on them. many of the deranged trolls claim to be people who refused the deal because they insisted on cash.. something that KS does not actually support that late in a project, and wouldn't have been feasible in any case.
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The Robotech/Palladium talk is veering towards Rule 7 territory so it might be better to drop it at this point
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I have tried looking for it- what update for the latest released fiction? and I am kicking myself over buying the mercs double shrapnel.
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I have tried looking for it- what update for the latest released fiction? and I am kicking myself over buying the mercs double shrapnel.
Update 50 was the last link to it.
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I thought there was new fiction from the KS?
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Most recent free Kickstarter fiction was Craig Reed's story Blood Rage
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I thought there was new fiction from the KS?
There has, it is all being uploaded to the same google drive folder and they haven't posted the link again since update 50.
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Newest addition is Shrapnel #15 (aka double sized mercenaries issue for $15 backers and up) posted to the folder January 3rd 2024.
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I hate to admit it, but I've barely glanced at the Emails from the kickstarter.
We're up to almost-what-upper 70s to 80?
I read the ones about verifying info and what I though was important,like #50
with the download info.
I have to give them credit.
They've definitely kept in contact with us and given more then proper updates.
I kind of wish I would have added on more stuff.
( like the dropships and Universe book)
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Last update was #77 with the video of the Savannah Master Salvage Unboxing.
No word on shipping in that communication. There was some speculations in the comments, but I don't think any of it was presented by anyone with any knowledge or authority on the actual situation.
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Is it bad that I haven't even really bothered to look at the PDF downloads for the kickstarter, like at all...?
(I was really, really in it just for the toys.)
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Is it bad that I haven't even really bothered to look at the PDF downloads for the kickstarter, like at all...?
(I was really, really in it just for the toys.)
The PDFs were always just extras anyway.
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My unsolicited thoughts on the schedules / lateness of crowdfunding projects: the schedules are estimates based on what the project folks thought they knew at that point, not sworn oaths. It's quite a bit like software development and work estimations there :tongue:
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Guess we're getting new fiction sooner rather than later - Jason Hansa was on Mercenary Star Podcast to talk about Fortunes of War #3 "A Skulk of Foxes" which involves the Screaming Eagles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRALvSzfUU
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If we bought Force Manual Davion in the kickstarter, do we get access to the PDF when it releases? It seems like it will be released before the kickstarter ships.
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There has, it is all being uploaded to the same google drive folder and they haven't posted the link again since update 50.
Was this for 'main kickstarter only'? I got in on the backerkit and haven't seen any emails/links about those.
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Was this for 'main kickstarter only'? I got in on the backerkit and haven't seen any emails/links about those.
Yes, thanks to how Kickstarter works late backers can't be given access to the updates there, it's up to Catalyst to setup someway of getting digital content to them.
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Yes, thanks to how Kickstarter works late backers can't be given access to the updates there, it's up to Catalyst to setup someway of getting digital content to them.
Catalyst said they were going to send the link out to late backers months ago, don't think they ever did.
Its a bummer they seem to have lost their optimism about fulfilling early.
DW
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Yes, thanks to how Kickstarter works late backers can't be given access to the updates there, it's up to Catalyst to setup someway of getting digital content to them.
Catalyst said they were going to send the link out to late backers months ago, don't think they ever did.
Its a bummer they seem to have lost their optimism about fulfilling early.
DW
Unfortunate. Expected, but unfortunate all the same.
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I'm involved in another crowdfunding campaign right now with Cephalofair games where they have been giving great updates about what parts are still being designed, what's in production, what has moved onto ocean freight, and what is in fulfillment. Although to be fair they are about 5 months behind schedule, so they have a greater need to keep people happy.
Nevertheless, I hope we get some kind of similar update here when stuff gets on a boat (if it's not already).
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I'm sure when they have everything on a boat, they're gonna blast it at everyone from every angle they can.
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June would be great.
July would be ok.
August would be ok.
January of 2025 or later would be a copy of the Clan Invasion
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June would be great.
July would be ok.
August would be ok.
January of 2025 or later would be a copy of the Clan Invasion
The herald of a new age of Battletech all over store shelves? I can work with that.
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I'm sure when they have everything on a boat, they're gonna blast it at everyone from every angle they can.
That's the way they did it last time, right?
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It's not time to celebrate until it's off the boat. People keep forgetting all the problems international shipping faces until something hits the news.
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Oh come on. What are the odds of a ship getting stuck sideways in a major canal and blocking up international shipping world-wide again?
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Oh come on. What are the odds of a ship getting stuck sideways in a major canal and blocking up international shipping world-wide again?
Significantly higher now you've said it!
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Oh come on. What are the odds of a ship getting stuck sideways in a major canal and blocking up international shipping world-wide again?
Lower now than a fewer years ago, thanks to lower traffic.
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Oh come on. What are the odds of a ship getting stuck sideways in a major canal and blocking up international shipping world-wide again?
Let's not forget the Houthis attacking shipping through the Red Sea. Even if that is not the route that CGL's containers will be shipped on, the impact of rerouting so much of global shipping traffic can not be overstated.
There is also the reduction of traffic through the Panama Canal due to drought conditions. Again, that may not be the route that this shipment will take, but it will impact the availability of merchant shipping.
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Come on a Ship getting stuck in a canal, wars and stuff by that same canal, port strikes, that is just some of the things going on right now. Until I see a confirm on shipping price, I'm not holding my breath, and I'm asthmatic.
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Getting stuck in the Suez Canal is not the problem
https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/shipping/011524-more-ships-avoid-red-sea-as-houthis-hit-ship-carrying-steel-in-gulf-of-aden
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Lets just wait until the KS shipments are loaded on the trucks before we start counting the Days, that's all I'm saying.
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the worst was seeing "everyone" else getting their shipments in while I still waited ... just so hard to see/read the comments and not check my email to see if was in the next round ... it did come, but man, it felt like torture.
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the worst was seeing "everyone" else getting their shipments in while I still waited ... just so hard to see/read the comments and not check my email to see if was in the next round ... it did come, but man, it felt like torture.
When I waited for the Clan Invasion, I saw everything on sale at the stores except the Strat Ops update book which pushed my order to wave 2.5 god that sucked.
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Oh yeah? FedEx marked mine as delivered at 9PM, in the rain. It wasn't on my porch. I walked around the neighborhood in the rain at night, seeing if they'd left it at the wrong house. Nope. I called FedEx screaming over my missing $450. It showed up the next day, with no explanation.
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Oh yeah? FedEx marked mine as delivered at 9PM, in the rain. It wasn't on my porch. I walked around the neighborhood in the rain at night, seeing if they'd left it at the wrong house. Nope. I called FedEx screaming over my missing $450. It showed up the next day, with no explanation.
Yeah, that sounds like FedEx all right. They have a reputation.
One of many reasons I get all my mail delivered to a private mailbox service.
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Oh yeah? FedEx marked mine as delivered at 9PM, in the rain. It wasn't on my porch. I walked around the neighborhood in the rain at night, seeing if they'd left it at the wrong house. Nope. I called FedEx screaming over my missing $450. It showed up the next day, with no explanation.
We ordered something from Amazon. They marked it delivered. All we had on our porch was a pouch that was slit on one side and otherwise empty of everything but air.
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Oh come on. What are the odds of a ship getting stuck sideways in a major canal and blocking up international shipping world-wide again?
A lot better then you think, Panama Cannel is backed up due to not enough water
https://fortune.com/2023/11/27/panama-canal-backed-up-water-shortage-ships-reroute/
and we know about the other major trade route having issues. So yeah....
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Oh yeah? FedEx marked mine as delivered at 9PM, in the rain. It wasn't on my porch. I walked around the neighborhood in the rain at night, seeing if they'd left it at the wrong house. Nope. I called FedEx screaming over my missing $450. It showed up the next day, with no explanation.
USPS claimed to have delivered an order of (non-BTech) minis to my mailbox.
Not there.
Talk with supervisor at USPS, who says they talked to one who delivered it. They know where they delivered it, will go get it and deliver it that afternoon.
Never arrived.
Go talk again. Delivery person on vacation. Will have substitute delivery person look for it and deliver it.
Never arrived.
Told to put in claim.
Claim rejected. System says package delivered to correct address.
Go back to USPS. Get manager to determine address to which package delivered, write it out and provide evidence to me. Send evidence on claim appeal.
Appeal rejected as system says package delivered to correct address.
Am told can appeal one more time.
Current status: going to discuss things with USPS one more time before filing next appeal.
Ruger
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I once had an entire laundry machine “go missing” in the freight warehouse. The freight company opened a ticket but it never went anywhere. The manufacturer wouldn’t even let me open a ticket because the carrier reported the shipment as “delivered”.
Otherwise my results have generally been good.
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USPS claimed to have delivered an order of (non-BTech) minis to my mailbox.
Not there.
Talk with supervisor at USPS, who says they talked to one who delivered it. They know where they delivered it, will go get it and deliver it that afternoon.
Never arrived.
Go talk again. Delivery person on vacation. Will have substitute delivery person look for it and deliver it.
Never arrived.
Told to put in claim.
Claim rejected. System says package delivered to correct address.
Go back to USPS. Get manager to determine address to which package delivered, write it out and provide evidence to me. Send evidence on claim appeal.
Appeal rejected as system says package delivered to correct address.
Am told can appeal one more time.
Current status: going to discuss things with USPS one more time before filing next appeal.
Ruger
That sounds like the point were my lawyer would write the next message and send a bill with it.
Usually works like a charm.
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Catalyst said they were going to send the link out to late backers months ago, don't think they ever did.
Its a bummer they seem to have lost their optimism about fulfilling early.
DW
I mean did they ever say early? They said spring alot. But up untill june 21st it is still spring. So a June delevery is technically that early spring delivery backers keep talking about which also happens to be the same month they have said since day one. Either way it is nice things are going well so far
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i've never had issues with the USPS. the amazon drives around here though.. oy. delivery to the wronghouses*, leaving stuff out in the rain, even had a few times where they didn't want to drive up our hill* so they chucked the package out at the curb. thankfully it wasn't garbage pickup day.
*there is a quirk on most of the online map apps that the row of houses we're in seems to be offset by half a block, so if you put in our address, it'll direct you to a spot down the road a bit near the firehouse. so the drivers end up having to guess which house is which. until we put up a sign at roadlevel with our house number, a lot of our amazon stuff would get delivered to our neighbor.)
**(we live at the top of a hill, and our driveway is a bit steep. experienced amazon drivers and the USPS people just go up our neighbor's driveway and walk over, since they have a shallower one. but amazon seems to have a lot of staff turnover around here.)
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Catalyst said they were going to send the link out to late backers months ago, don't think they ever did.
Its a bummer they seem to have lost their optimism about fulfilling early.
DW
I mean did they ever say early? They said spring alot. But up untill june 21st it is still spring. So a June delevery is technically that early spring delivery backers keep talking about which also happens to be the same month they have said since day one. Either way it is nice things are going well so far
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i've never had issues with the USPS. the amazon drives around here though.. oy. delivery to the wronghouses...
Likewise. The only problems I've had with the USPS is sending a package on a bit of a road trip (after arriving at the Cincinnati distribution center, instead of sending it to my local post office it took a three-day tour of Buffalo) and some of the distribution centers not understanding how to update the tracking status (I'm looking at you Memphis). As for Amazon they've recently delivered our package to the neighbor's house, but fortunately with the pic they snap and include with the delivery message we knew where it was at.
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I mean did they ever say early? They said spring alot. But up untill june 21st it is still spring. So a June delevery is technically that early spring delivery backers keep talking about which also happens to be the same month they have said since day one. Either way it is nice things are going well so far
June is NOT "early" spring. End of March/early April is early spring. Once you hit May, you're in mid-spring. So, once you're in June is "late spring" (unless you live in a place like the Phoenix Valley where we're already hitting the century mark so it feels like summer).
Statements have been made about things going well enough that they were hoping to get it out in early spring. Some other things developed in the last month or so which has delayed those expectations, such as the most relied upon canals not being rely useful which causes most shipping in the world to take longer, and thus more ships are devoted to account for the lost time.
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According to the Kickstarter website, it has long been scheduled for June.
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June is NOT "early" spring. End of March/early April is early spring. Once you hit May, you're in mid-spring. So, once you're in June is "late spring" (unless you live in a place like the Phoenix Valley where we're already hitting the century mark so it feels like summer).
Statements have been made about things going well enough that they were hoping to get it out in early spring. Some other things developed in the last month or so which has delayed those expectations, such as the most relied upon canals not being rely useful which causes most shipping in the world to take longer, and thus more ships are devoted to account for the lost time.
I will be honest I have not seen one person offical say early spring. I have seen a lot of people hear spring and assume early spring. But personally I havent seen anyone offical say that.
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According to the Kickstarter website, it has long been scheduled for June.
Uh huh, guess it will be weird for 40th shirts not to be available at GenCon then.
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Uh huh, guess it will be weird for 40th shirts not to be available at GenCon then.
The patches weren't ready for the first world tour event, so take that for what you will.
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The patches weren't ready for the first world tour event, so take that for what you will.
World tour is a joke, they cannot even spread the appearances across the country the company is based in.
But in the KS they said the shirt would not be available for 6 months after KS release.
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World tour is a joke, they cannot even spread the appearances across the country the company is based in.
The Facebook announcement did say that those were just the first set of conventions and events Randall would be attending. Have they announced any more conventions or events for the World Tour yet?
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Uh huh, guess it will be weird for 40th shirts not to be available at GenCon then.
Gencon is in August. That will give them at least a month.
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Gencon is in August. That will give them at least a month.
They said the T-shirt wouldn't be sold until six months after Kickstarter fulfillment. So if they stick to that and fulfillment is in June then it'll be offered to the public in December
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Gencon has a kind of special status, so it's difficult to predict what they will choose to do.
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They were still hoping for earlier fulfillment when they said that I think. Adding more items and having trouble with backerkit software limitations put paid to the early optimism.
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Battle Mat showcase:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cgl/battletech-mercenaries/posts/4031692?ref=ksr_email_mktg_auto_backer_project_update_registered_users
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They did mention durring the KS campaign that while they could probably make the June Deadline, blowing through the stretch goals was going to push the fulfilment date back a bit as they din't have final versions of all of those yet.
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They did mention durring the KS campaign that while they could probably make the June Deadline, blowing through the stretch goals was going to push the fulfilment date back a bit as they din't have final versions of all of those yet.
which is fairly normal for Kickstarters that get past their initial stretch goal offerings. having to get stretch goal stuff completed before release will always slow down things.
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Didn't they also say that the sheer number of pledges they received was going to delay things?
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New video of Randal showing off the Savannah Master Salvage Box just dropped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1d8zLlAvkg
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New video of Randal showing off the Savannah Master Salvage Box just dropped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1d8zLlAvkg
Looks like the same video from Update #77, just hosted on the Catalyst Game Labs YouTube channel instead of Rem's YouTube channel.
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I remember seeing it before. Had me thinking it was a new video.
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I missed the previous video, thought this was a new one since it popped up in my "new updates" on YouTube.
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Looks like the Royal Orion is confirmed in the latest Forcepack review from GMG.
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CGL's Instagram has couple of photos of physical proof of Field Manual: Kurita, and more importantly for this thread, final physical production copy of Jaime Wolf's translation of Sun Tzu's Art of War.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C3_pZAfrSF4/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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Looks like the Royal Orion is confirmed in the latest Forcepack review from GMG.
Can't wait to see the Record Sheet for this one! Will it be the old school Kerensky variant with the SNPPC/Gauss or will the weapon loadout be more in line with matching the mini....
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Can't wait to see the Record Sheet for this one! Will it be the old school Kerensky variant with the SNPPC/Gauss or will the weapon loadout be more in line with matching the mini....
If it follows the model, the Royal won't be the SNPPC/Gauss, as it's mostly just a resposition of the Direct Fire Lance model. My initial guess is that we're looking at either Gauss or LB-10X, with Artemis and/or Streaks for the Missiles, maybe a Pulse upgrade for the Lasers. I think the Gauss/Snubbie is one that came a little bit later and only for Kerensky's personal ride.
As it is, the only model in that Forcepack that interests me is the Thunder Hawk, even if the Royal Orion Record Sheet intrigues me.
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If it follows the model, the Royal won't be the SNPPC/Gauss, as it's mostly just a resposition of the Direct Fire Lance model. My initial guess is that we're looking at either Gauss or LB-10X, with Artemis and/or Streaks for the Missiles, maybe a Pulse upgrade for the Lasers. I think the Gauss/Snubbie is one that came a little bit later and only for Kerensky's personal ride.
As it is, the only model in that Forcepack that interests me is the Thunder Hawk, even if the Royal Orion Record Sheet intrigues me.
the simpliest way to do a Royal Orion would be to swap the AC 10 for a LB10X, CASE both side torsos, and swap to DHS. a VERY boring refit, but addresses a vunerability with the Orion
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the simpliest way to do a Royal Orion would be to swap the AC 10 for a LB10X, CASE both side torsos, and swap to DHS. a VERY boring refit, but addresses a vunerability with the Orion
It has enough free space you can use both endo and ferro. That saves enough tonnage you can have fun with the big left arm, but anything else needs to go to the design forum.
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As with most introductory-level designs, it's got a lot of options for upgrades. Even when you're sticking to WYSWYG.
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...what.
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Urbie-LAM??? Memes have become plastic??
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Meme the dream.
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Randall’s preview pile.
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I’m interested in what appears to be the unassembled merc command dice trays in the back.
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Ugh. On one hand I appricate that CGL is attempting to be in-touch with a segment of fans that post memes online by producing a secret/unannounced project like the Urbie-LAM, but that investment could've gone to something that a much larger segment of the player base would purchase more than 1 box of, like another pack of vehicles.
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Ugh. On one hand I appricate that CGL is attempting to be in-touch with a segment of fans that post memes online by producing a secret/unannounced project like the Urbie-LAM, but that investment could've gone to something that a much larger segment of the player base would purchase more than 1 box of, like another pack of vehicles.
I seriously doubt that Catalyst is actually putting a "salvage box" in a lance pack. I suspect Photoshop.
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I seriously doubt that Catalyst is actually putting a "salvage box" in a lance pack. I suspect Photoshop.
I dunno, it's likely 3 mini's a battlemech, airmech and aerospace
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I dunno, it's likely 3 mini's a battlemech, airmech and aerospace
And I can see a Jump Plume in there, too. Probably for AirMech.
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I seriously doubt that Catalyst is actually putting a "salvage box" in a lance pack. I suspect Photoshop.
I would hope so.
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I would hope so.
I mean, it was one thing to make the Urbie lancepack, those were at least real mechs. But making an entire pack out of a meme that isn't canon? A prank is easier to believe.
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Do... do you think that it's still non-canon if a product is published with it?
I hate this but it seems pretty clear that the canonicity of the joke is completely moot.
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we'll probably find out it was a star league prototype. no reason they couldn't retroactively insert it into the setting.
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Do... do you think that it's still non-canon if a product is published with it?
I hate this but it seems pretty clear that the canonicity of the joke is completely moot.
I think that as special surprise bonus packs go, something that was nothing but a meme until the pack was revealed is pretty groan-worthy.
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And I can see a Jump Plume in there, too. Probably for AirMech.
My hope (although I will not be buying this) is: Mech. Airmech. Fighter. And smoking pile of rubble.
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My hope (although I will not be buying this) is: Mech. Airmech. Fighter. And smoking pile of rubble.
pretty sure if you paint the jump jet plume the right way, it'll look like a crash site.
personally hoping that it isn't a convention exclusive.. can;t be at adepticon and while i've asked my brother to grab me one, i'd love to have 2.. or a full lance's worth.
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It's just such a corporate "joke." Not really funny to begin with and taken way too far. "This 'Mech looks like a trash can, ha ha! Don't you forget it." BattleTech is forty years old and this is the best we can do? Funny Urbie, references to a cartoon 99% of the fanbase has never seen, and "this giant robot looks a bit like this other property's giant robot"? Come on.
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I am not a fan of the endless Urbie memes (nor LAMs for that matter) but I'm not going to get upset about it. In the end, life is too short.
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My hope (although I will not be buying this) is: Mech. Airmech. Fighter. And smoking pile of rubble.
I can find a use for each of those, so that would be nice.
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It's just such a corporate "joke." Not really funny to begin with and taken way too far. "This 'Mech looks like a trash can, ha ha! Don't you forget it." BattleTech is forty years old and this is the best we can do? Funny Urbie, references to a cartoon 99% of the fanbase has never seen, and "this giant robot looks a bit like this other property's giant robot"? Come on.
Sounds like resentment over the things you specifically want are not as popular as other things people like.
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I’m interested in what appears to be the unassembled merc command dice trays in the back.
They were added to the Mercs Pledge Manager at a late date. There's ones for the Clans and Great Houses too
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I am not a fan of the endless Urbie memes (nor LAMs for that matter) but I'm not going to get upset about it. In the end, life is too short.
Sometimes - SOMETIMES the joke of the Love of all things Urban-Mech can make for a Fun One-Off Scenarios to run for the playing public (and the players LOVED the scenario for it's all around Silliness)
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Urbanmech LAM is unserious and lame.
If they wanted to spend resources on something cutsy, memable, and actually in mass production in universe and IRL has people wanting to buy many copies of it.....
I present to you:
The Hermit Crab.
So many cool new mechs released in the Rec. Guides and we get this might as well not exist LAM instead.
I fear what BS they will pull to make it logical to show up in regular play. I get MIC with out of control budget prototypes a dumb ass design. I hope that's where this stays, instead of SL cache with 1000s of Urbanmech LAMs found, or a current industrial concern thinks it is a good idea to mass produce these.
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Its not first choice of mechs when there are hundreds of others that people ask for.
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If real, I dont think it's for me, but I am amused by with. In the life of Battletech I've accepted that not EVERY mech is going to be for me. Just...dont buy it if you dont want it. There'll be others down the line. Dont piss in someone else's cheerios because you PERSONALLY dont want it.
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If real, I dont think it's for me, but I am amused by with. In the life of Battletech I've accepted that not EVERY mech is going to be for me. Just...dont buy it if you dont want it. There'll be others down the line. Dont piss in someone else's cheerios because you PERSONALLY dont want it.
This - so much This.
I don't Like ProtoMechs - don't Use. Not a fan of Clan Mechs - don't use them. This is more a Clan vs IS - personally I find the power creep too much, and so don't play a lot of Clan-v-IS. Don;t mind Clan-v-Clan. Don't try and change my mind please, this a personal preference.
That said, I'm not gonna complain and stop others from having their toys, and I still collect/paint the Clans.
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Its not first choice of mechs when there are hundreds of others that people ask for.
given it is probably going to end up being a convention exclusive and thus not available outside special events, picking a unit that is not in standard use is actually a smart idea. convention exclusive miniatures are ideally done as either gimmick figures people collect for the fun of it rather than for gameplay, or limited edition reposes/resculpts of a standard unit done for collectability.
by this standard, an Urbi-LAM is actually not a bad choice. yes it is a meme unit and kinda silly, but that also means that no one is going to be buying it with intent to replicate some specific SLDF unit, or to get an edge up on their local FLGS group's meta. people will buy it because they find the idea fun.
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It’s not a convention exclusive
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If it really is a Urbanmech Lam, good on Bishop Steiner. I remember him way back from the MechWarrior online forums in like 2013. Then he started doing art for CGL, and now there might be a mini? Cool success story!
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I really hope all the complaints here doesn't lead to Catalyst no longer trying fun things like this again. That would be a much greater lose in the long run than a little dev time spent on something silly (and fun).
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Sales will make that determination
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It’s not a convention exclusive
Is it known if it be part of this kickstarter or will it be a general store item?
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I'm just gonna stay mad over here that there's still no VP-1 Viper miniature.
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Is it known if it be part of this kickstarter or will it be a general store item?
Yes. That was covered in the Tuesday Newsday (https://youtu.be/2tk4kbknOo0?si=V_YfzV31KaKaSsMf&t=2010) show last week.
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Fluff will come from where it is built, right? I say to know where the Clans will bomb when they have the winged garbage can within range.
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I really hope all the complaints here doesn't lead to Catalyst no longer trying fun things like this again. That would be a much greater lose in the long run than a little dev time spent on something silly (and fun).
That’s what I’m afraid of.
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If real, I dont think it's for me, but I am amused by with. In the life of Battletech I've accepted that not EVERY mech is going to be for me. Just...dont buy it if you dont want it. There'll be others down the line. Dont piss in someone else's cheerios because you PERSONALLY dont want it.
Absolutely this. I'm in full agreement. I've done the "rioting because a dev didn't cater to my needs" crap back when D&D 3.5 was discontinued. I'm so over that and really think it's just wasted energy that could be spent doing something constructive like, oh, I dunno, actually enjoying the game. Look at it this way -- if they have the money to spend on this fun little fluff, what else might they have up their sleeves that you might actually like?
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Well, like I said over in General Discussion, I hope they have a free download of the LAM rules - for both BattleTech and Alpha Strike - ready to go. I'd feel the same way if they did superheavies or QuadVees, by the way. New players who buy this without understanding that it's not something they can immediately use on the table (at least without purchasing an additional, expensive book) will be left disappointed.
Anyway, I've said my piece. Honestly, I'm still likely to buy the pack. I don't find it funny, but it's not the worst visual design out there.
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If real, I dont think it's for me, but I am amused by with. In the life of Battletech I've accepted that not EVERY mech is going to be for me. Just...dont buy it if you dont want it. There'll be others down the line. Dont piss in someone else's cheerios because you PERSONALLY dont want it.
I agree with this, but to a certain point. I believe most of the people have a valid complaint here, as Urbanmech LAM was nothing but a meme and a joke, while there are actual mechs completely without a miniature or waiting for an update in aesthetics and plastic.
I personally I am not one of these people, as the mechs I was interested in got updated in Clan Invasion kickstarter.
But I do have selfish reason why I am against this release, if it is real thing and not a prank.
Randall Bills has used almost every opportunity in the live con videos and podcasts for the last few months to mention how he has pushed for Shilone ASF to be distributed to every Clan Invasion backer.
It has been a known situation since Shilone was announced that it was distributed only to backers that participated in Wave 2 and a limited number of Wave 1 backers in US, Canada and UK. Rest of the Wave 1 backers got shafted. Randall himself addressed this in one of the updates in Clan Invasion kickstarter, said that CGL will look into how to distribute Shilone to every backer. Since then not a pip on this.
Here we have CGL spending money and resources on a meme/joke and previously spent money on resin art pieces for whatever reason, instead of sending out Shilone ASF to the several hundreds of Wave 1 Clan Invasion backers that didn't get it. (actual number unknown, CGL knows how many backers they had for each wave)
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I'm honestly surprises this is drawing heat considering how popular the meme has been on this same forum. Once again speaking as someone who has never been a fan of the meme, everyone needs to relax. It's knee jerk reactions like this that killed battlechat.
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New players who buy this without understanding that it's not something they can immediately use on the table (at least without purchasing an additional, expensive book) will be left disappointed.
To that point, the Shilone and Visigoth Salvage Packs are really not immediately usable on the table either. Granted there are rules if you go deep enough but they aren't going to be apparent to the new player.
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To that point, the Shilone and Visigoth Salvage Packs are really not immediately usable on the table either. Granted there are rules if you go deep enough but they aren't going to be apparent to the new player.
They're not sold on the mass market. The Urbie LAM pack will be. Big difference.
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Ray has been talking on discord and saying these probably are not a game store product. They will most likely be CGL store and should be considered as the same category as the aerospace fighters game and availability wise
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Ray has been talking on discord and saying these probably are not a game store product. They will most likely be CGL store and should be considered as the same category as the aerospace fighters game and availability wise
That alone changes my opinion on the pack. I still think the joke is outplayed, but if they're meant for the more-experienced crowd and won't be disappointing gifts for kids, then I've got less problem with them.
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I'm honestly surprises this is drawing heat considering how popular the meme has been on this same forum. Once again speaking as someone who has never been a fan of the meme, everyone needs to relax. It's knee jerk reactions like this that killed battlechat.
It's getting heat because the list of units I want to see in plastic is LOOOOOOOOOONG and this unit isn't on it. I'll still buy one but there could have been and endless number of units I'd buy more than one of!
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It's getting heat because the list of units I want to see in plastic is LOOOOOOOOOONG and this unit isn't on it. I'll still buy one but there could have been and endless number of units I'd buy more than one of!
There's nothing saying that another 'Mech or Force Pack was cut so they could produce the UrbanMech LAM Salvage Box. Some 'Mechs like the Hornet just won't ever make the cut to be produced in glorious grey plastic. Personally, I'm just hoping to see the Bombardier, Champion and Hussar in plastic so I can finish my Snord's Irregulars First Company :wink:
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I'm honestly surprises this is drawing heat considering how popular the meme has been on this same forum. Once again speaking as someone who has never been a fan of the meme, everyone needs to relax. It's knee jerk reactions like this that killed battlechat.
Morbius was a popular meme. Doesn't mean people actually wanted to see the movie.
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In regards to the "this is dumb, I wanted something else," this doesn't mean you won't get what you want. If anything, convincing Catalyst that this is a bad idea could actually make it less likely you'll get what you want.
Think about it. You don't want someone to go, "Hey, this mech is quirky, but has a lot of loyal fans, why don't we put up a web exclusive or something for it?" and then have someone higher up say, "Oh heck no! Do you remember all the complaints we got when we didn't that urbie LAM? Forget about it, and do another Madcat."
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In regards to the "this is dumb, I wanted something else," this doesn't mean you won't get what you want. If anything, convincing Catalyst that this is a bad idea could actually make it less likely you'll get what you want.
Think about it. You don't want someone to go, "Hey, this mech is quirky, but has a lot of loyal fans, why don't we put up a web exclusive or something for it?" and then have someone higher up say, "Oh heck no! Do you remember all the complaints we got when we didn't that urbie LAM? Forget about it, and do another Madcat."
Please - PLEASE - do not tell people they're not allowed to voice their opinions.
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I didn't want something else, I wanted this to not be a thing because I hate this tired played out stupid meme.
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In regards to the "this is dumb, I wanted something else," this doesn't mean you won't get what you want. If anything, convincing Catalyst that this is a bad idea could actually make it less likely you'll get what you want.
Think about it. You don't want someone to go, "Hey, this mech is quirky, but has a lot of loyal fans, why don't we put up a web exclusive or something for it?" and then have someone higher up say, "Oh heck no! Do you remember all the complaints we got when we didn't that urbie LAM? Forget about it, and do another Madcat."
On the other hand they can go "Hey people like buying stuff based on stupid memes and jokes, lets do another one like that.", pushing something else, more worthwhile game-wise that people are looking for, further down the pipeline and later in timeline.(hopefully).
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... it's weird that I've have vocally disliked the meme and apparently one of those most chill about this... I mean, the Mimic Outhouse has a mini...
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... it's weird that I've have vocally disliked the meme and apparently one of those most chill about this... I mean, the Mimic Outhouse has a mini...
Until I see a GAZEBO Mini....
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So here is my take on the Urbie LAM. I don't want to here from TPTB any mor that LAMS don't belong in the game. You can only remove them and bring them back so many times till you look like you are full of it. You can only tease so many times. At this point after TPTB removing them and then bring them back again that argument no longer fits with the reality of TPTB's actions.
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... it's weird that I've have vocally disliked the meme and apparently one of those most chill about this... I mean, the Mimic Outhouse has a mini...
Who produced that mini, though?
So here is my take on the Urbie LAM. I don't want to here from TPTB any mor that LAMS don't belong in the game. You can only remove them and bring them back so many times till you look like you are full of it. You can only tease so many times. At this point after TPTB removing them and then bring them back again that argument no longer fits with the reality of TPTB's actions.
That's another part of this that annoys me. If they want to bring LAMS back, then do so. Don't resurrect them with a lol-meme product that looks like an April Fool's gag.
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That's another part of this that annoys me. If they want to bring LAMS back, then do so. Don't resurrect them with a lol-meme product that looks like an April Fool's gag.
And we're 3 1/2 weeks till that comes in.
It kind of makes me wonder, how much did the Pandaria joke cost Blizzard over the life of Warcraft? From the Mercenary Hero in The Frozen Throne to Mists of Pandaria itself. I wonder how many were cursing the joke team from so long ago.
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Who produced that mini, though?
That's another part of this that annoys me. If they want to bring LAMS back, then do so. Don't resurrect them with a lol-meme product that looks like an April Fool's gag.
This is like the 3rd LAMS have been brought back. FASA did it in a story once and CGL has done it twice now. The LAMS don't belong in the universe is a Lie at this point and that is them that people are going to demand more LAMS and tell them they are wrong when they say LAMS don't belong. Because they keep bring them back by choice.
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Until I see a GAZEBO Mini....
I’m pretty sure that exists in both monstrous and mundane form.
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This is like the 3rd LAMS have been brought back. FASA did it in a story once and CGL has done it twice now. The LAMS don't belong in the universe is a Lie at this point and that is them that people are going to demand more LAMS and tell them they are wrong when they say LAMS don't belong. Because they keep bring them back by choice.
Yeah, that ends up being the sticking point for me. I mean, how many people would lose their freaking minds over a LAM pack? Instead of some really great looking P-Hawk, Wasp, and Stinger LAMs, we get... an Urbie.
That being said, I have no knowledge of anything that may be happening behind the scenes, so I'm at the same level as everyone else only able to speculate based on the image seen earlier.
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In discord Ray said the thing holding LAMs back is the same thing holding aerospace plastic minis in general back, dissatification with the aerospace rules
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I really hope all the complaints here doesn't lead to Catalyst no longer trying fun things like this again. That would be a much greater lose in the long run than a little dev time spent on something silly (and fun).
Personally I don't think the complaints will weigh too much on their minds, as others said: sales is the king.
So if it sells well, nice.
Besides they let Herb run loose on Apr 1 at times with fun releases, they won't stop with the fun.
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This is like the 3rd LAMS have been brought back. FASA did it in a story once and CGL has done it twice now. The LAMS don't belong in the universe is a Lie at this point and that is them that people are going to demand more LAMS and tell them they are wrong when they say LAMS don't belong. Because they keep bring them back by choice.
I guess I missed the hate for Laser Anti-Missile Systems.
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They generate too much heat. :tongue:
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So, a few points on the Urbie LAM.
- It’s 100% non-canon.
- It’s real and a joke.
- I hear you, those of you that don’t like it or raise issues with it. I fought that fight. The meme won. We’re in the minority. That’s ok.
- The Urbie salvage box SOLD like crazy. So did the lance pack. So did the company pack. Let’s not forget the plushie. You don’t have to like it. But any money towards BattleTech means more money toward things we do want.
- This concept was first released during the Clan Invasion KS on April Fools, and there was an overwhelming demand for this mini to be made.
- Side note, this is not a sign that LAMs are on the way. There was never a “Phoenix Hawk vs. Urbie” LAM question.
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Hi, it's been a long time since I catch up...
What's the latest forecast on shipment? Summer?
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*Mod Notice*
Mods, can we get the LAM discussion off into its own thread? I mean, the Urbie LAM was one thing (and it’s not even part of the Merecnaries KS), but it looks like we’re gonna get into a whole LAM thing and it doesn’t belong here. Thanks.
Per Ray’s request, discussion of LAMs in general has been split off from this discussion: https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=84295.0
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So, a few points on the Urbie LAM.
- It’s 100% non-canon.
- It’s real and a joke.
- I hear you, those of you that don’t like it or raise issues with it. I fought that fight. The meme won. We’re in the minority. That’s ok.
- The Urbie salvage box SOLD like crazy. So did the lance pack. So did the company pack. Let’s not forget the plushie. You don’t have to like it. But any money towards BattleTech means more money toward things we do want.
- This concept was first released during the Clan Invasion KS on April Fools, and there was an overwhelming demand for this mini to be made.
- Side note, this is not a sign that LAMs are on the way. There was never a “Phoenix Hawk vs. Urbie” LAM question.
Roger, Ray. Thanks for weighing in.
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Weird, why is my question about shipment moved to the LAM thread?
Unless the mods want to ship me a LAM box, which I more than welcome...
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Good catch! Moved it back to where it belongs.
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So, a few points on the Urbie LAM.
- It’s 100% non-canon.
- It’s real and a joke.
- I hear you, those of you that don’t like it or raise issues with it. I fought that fight. The meme won. We’re in the minority. That’s ok.
- The Urbie salvage box SOLD like crazy. So did the lance pack. So did the company pack. Let’s not forget the plushie. You don’t have to like it. But any money towards BattleTech means more money toward things we do want.
- This concept was first released during the Clan Invasion KS on April Fools, and there was an overwhelming demand for this mini to be made.
- Side note, this is not a sign that LAMs are on the way. There was never a “Phoenix Hawk vs. Urbie” LAM question.
Personally just tired of beating the dead horse that is the urbanmech. If it makes you money, good. Still not happy about getting something like this. Guys can throw together a bug mech lance box and probably sell it like crazy, but we gotta buy the big boxes to get Locusts still.
Seriously give us a bug mech box to feed my light mech hunger. I wish to use them like cereal.
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There's going to be an UrbanMech LAM? :shocked: SQUEEEEEE!!!!!!! :smilie_happy_clapping: Now I just need money. :cry:
Will it have art, stats, and fluff to go with it?
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There's going to be an UrbanMech LAM? :shocked: SQUEEEEEE!!!!!!! :smilie_happy_clapping: Now I just need money. :cry:
Will it have art, stats, and fluff to go with it?
The art was done during the Mercenaries campaign, based on the Macross/Robotech Roy Fokker (skull and bones) design. Stats and fluff will be non-canon.
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The art was done during the Mercenaries campaign, based on the Macross/Robotech Roy Fokker (skull and bones) design. Stats and fluff will be non-canon.
Cool. I did see one set of art a while ago but I don't know if it's the same one or not.
That's okay. Official but not canon is better than none.
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I thought that all discussion of LAMs was being moved to the LAM thread.
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Quick clarification, general discussion about LAMs should be contained to the LAM thread. LAMs, not unreasonably, tend to consume all of the oxygen in the room when people really get rolling on them. That’s not what this thread is for.
Since the Urbie LAM is specific to the Kickstarter, though, discussing that little guy here (like how it managed to get through the design process without adding a little propeller to the top of its head) is fine for now.
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Damn, now I will need someone to print me a propeller for it, so I can glue it to its head.
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Since the Urbie LAM is specific to the Kickstarter, though, discussing that little guy here (like how it managed to get through the design process without adding a little propeller to the top of its head) is fine for now.
Is it? Will it be added to the Kickstarter deliveries?
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Not a clue. It was introduced in a pile of Kickstarter-related stuff, though.
EDIT: Rereading Ray’s previous request to remove the LAM stuff, no, it will not be a part of the Kickstarter. That being said, we were not specifically asked to peel that part of the conversation off from this thread.
DOUBLE EDIT: Since I’m already on a roll, for those unfamiliar with the process, it’s actually a very rare thing for the mods to get specific requests/instructions from management. When those situations do arise, it’s mostly a game of doing our best to interpret the instructions. Following from this example, if Ray (or Cubby or whoever) also wants the Urbie LAM stuff moved, they’ll reach out to us and make the ask. Easy peasy.
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(Pictures the High Council art from Handbook Kurita, with Ray silent with steepled fingers while admins and mods yell)
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*Propeller hats sold seperately
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oh dear. Kickstarter Update #80 - Apparently the physical version of BattleTech: Encounters was shipped out by the distributor to Barnes & Noble by mistake and is already appearing on shelves. Given how important relationship is with B&N and how hard it would be to actually get it pulled from all stores CGL is accepting this, but they won't be sending remaining stock to other retailers, the CGL store or backers early but when the Kickstarter fulfils as originally intended.
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oh dear. Kickstarter Update #80 - Apparently the physical version of BattleTech: Encounters was shipped out by the distributor to Barnes & Noble by mistake and is already appearing on shelves. Given how important relationship is with B&N and how hard it would be to actually get it pulled from all stores CGL is accepting this, but they won't be sending remaining stock to other retailers, the CGL store or backers.
Nowhere in the announcement does it say that they won't be releasing it to the CGL store, other retailers or backers. In fact, the opposite. Don't go spreading false information.
However, we have made the decision that Catalyst will still not yet release via our store until after fulfillment. This may hurt our overall sales, as buyers seek it out at B&N, but it is important to us to honor our commitment to our backers as much as we are able. All backers will still receive their games as promised when we fulfill (we are still on track for June as of now).
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Nowhere in the announcement does it say that they won't be releasing it to the CGL store, other retailers or backers. In fact, the opposite. Don't go spreading false information.
I will edit to make it clear they are not doing that NOW.
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Hopefully any flack is directed at the party who deserves it, the distributor.
No-win for CGL, sucks. Admittedly it wasn't a big draw for me anyway.
Do we know how close the GDL pack is from general release?
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Do we know how close the GDL pack is from general release?
The Exclusivity agreement with Barnes and Nobles ended last month, so its whenever a production run makes it through distribution. I'd be willing to bet that it starts showing up at other retailers around the same time the Star League Command Lance comes out.
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Odd that they jumped so hard at a dice game. I think they're missing the point on why the Battletech stuff sold so well. I hope this sells well enough that doesn't sour them on the brand. If it's anything like that one Shadowrun dice game, I don't expect much.
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Dice games sell and while I didn't play it and still have no interest in it, the BT CCG did well back in the day and still has a following. Another company actively looking for more BT products to sell us good regardless.
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Odd that they jumped so hard at a dice game.
Dice games are insanely popular right now thanks to Dice Throne, and small games are insanely popular right now thanks to the Tiny Epic franchise. Something like Encounters is right up B&N’s proverbial alley.
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Dice games are insanely popular right now thanks to Dice Throne, and small games are insanely popular right now thanks to the Tiny Epic franchise. Something like Encounters is right up B&N’s proverbial alley.
It's also a way to make money by selling to people who are uninterested in complicated wargames.
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Lot of photos coming out from Kerensky Con of the KS samples.
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Sommerset box
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ELH faction die
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Bag of chevron dice
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Sommerset box
The Axman and Mauler? <chef's kiss> They really hit it out of the park on the redesign. Again. The Mauler has never looked better and I hope finally gets its time to shine.
The Hatamoto-chi? Not so much. I may be in the minority on this, but I really thought it was just getting silly when beginning in the '90s someone decided that every other Kurita 'mech had to be strongly modelled after samurai armor, with this one as patient zero for that particular epidemic. This just leans in to that even more than the (actually quite reasonable) original, and it looks like "stuntman in tokusatsu mecha costume out of Japanese Spiderman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_(Japanese_TV_series))" rather than a futuristic war machine.
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Eeee
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Dice games sell and while I didn't play it and still have no interest in it, the BT CCG did well back in the day and still has a following. Another company actively looking for more BT products to sell us good regardless.
yeah, the CCG was more popular than magic for a brief while.
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ooh Strikers box looks nice!
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The Axman and Mauler? <chef's kiss> They really hit it out of the park on the redesign. Again. The Mauler has never looked better and I hope finally gets its time to shine.
The Hatamoto-chi? Not so much. I may be in the minority on this, but I really thought it was just getting silly when beginning in the '90s someone decided that every other Kurita 'mech had to be strongly modelled after samurai armor, with this one as patient zero for that particular epidemic. This just leans in to that even more than the (actually quite reasonable) original, and it looks like "stuntman in tokusatsu mecha costume out of Japanese Spiderman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_(Japanese_TV_series))" rather than a futuristic war machine.
My introduction to the Hat was through the cover art of Hearts of Chaos and I concur. The modern take on the mech looks better, but it was very silly.
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Take off the crest and it's no more goofy than the Victor, easy bash.
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Bag of chevron dice
Has it ever been specified which version of these dice are being given to all veteran and above backers? Like is the freebie a specific color or will it be random?
DW
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Has it ever been specified which version of these dice are being given to all veteran and above backers? Like is the freebie a specific color or will it be random?
DW
Its the Orange and Black ones as shown in update #36.
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Eeee
I’ve said this before, but:
What have I done!? :shocked:
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Eeee
That case…
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o8doT9BL7dgtolp7O/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952qpsun255tcwombvfjk08pvj0wo5vs3fyuvaq514q&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g)
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Case
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And the inside of the same case I'm guessing?
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Any pictures of what is to be used as trays in that case?
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Not that I know.
Not even sure thats a retail product and not a personal case someone made.
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Not that I know.
Not even sure thats a retail product and not a personal case someone made.
According to Tuck Davion, its a GMs case -- room for books, dice and minis..... He did a short video up on YouTube showing it off.
Craig
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Make it avalaible for purchase and I'd buy it. I get to my local gaming area by Bus so I'd LOVE to have something like this
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as stylish as the bag i currently use is, i'd spring for one of those
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I'd need to see how good it is at holding minis, but I could so see that being part of my BattleTech carry, yeah
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Mackie and cheese
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Why indeed
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Curd of Blake Poutine.
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Can't wait!
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Every one of my friends that actually drinks cocktails is absolutely horrified by the Necrosia. Despite being a Scorpion fan, I may bow to their experience when it comes to things I actually put in my mouth.
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Every one of my friends that actually drinks cocktails is absolutely horrified by the Necrosia. Despite being a Scorpion fan, I may bow to their experience when it comes to things I actually put in my mouth.
Yeah nah, that Malort / Absinthe combo is some risky business.
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I wonder which Chicagoan suggested Malort.
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I'm guessing the Triple F Burger doesn't actually call for whale meat. :wink:
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I wonder which Chicagoan suggested Malort.
A sadist
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These drink recipes are tested before getting put into the book. . .right?
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These drink recipes are tested before getting put into the book. . .right?
We will know if a writer has to go to the hospital for alcohol poisoning.
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A sadist
Yeah, how dare they add lesser ingredients to that sweet nectar of the gods? Malort is perfect as-is.
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(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pD7b_z8QWFg/maxresdefault.jpg)
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These drink recipes are tested before getting put into the book. . .right?
Apparently they have been tested!
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I'm guessing the Triple F Burger doesn't actually call for whale meat. :wink:
the fluff for the Triple-F burger is that it's made from whatever the most common meat animal is in the region. the whale thing was a regional variant.
so the Terran version will probably be Beef. perhaps with a small portion of pork mixed in. (that mix can be delicious.)
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Curd of Blake Poutine.
As a Quebecois, I approve this. but you must specify the ingredients: Nicely baked french fries, BBQ/brown sauce and the most important: FRESH CHEDDARD CHEESE CURDS. Anything else is an abomination and must be nuked from orbit. :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Apparently they have been tested!
*googles Catalyst Game labs, and alchol poisioning*
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Since it appears Malort is pretty hard to come by outside the US, what would make a good substitute for those of us in other parts of the world?
I'm wondering if Buckfast might be a suitable alternative for the UK...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckfast_Tonic_Wine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckfast_Tonic_Wine)
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From John Helfers' introduction on today's Tuesday Newsday it sounds like the cook book is going to be shipped on its own later and not with the rest of the Mercenaries Kickstarter products. Audio was pretty bad in that part of the stream so its easy to miss.
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As a Quebecois, I approve this. but you must specify the ingredients: Nicely baked french fries, BBQ/brown sauce and the most important: FRESH CHEDDARD CHEESE CURDS. Anything else is an abomination and must be nuked from orbit. :grin: :grin: :grin:
Which would seem oddly appropriate for a Blakist recipe…
:wink:
Ruger
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Since it appears Malort is pretty hard to come by outside the US, what would make a good substitute for those of us in other parts of the world?
I'm wondering if Buckfast might be a suitable alternative for the UK...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckfast_Tonic_Wine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckfast_Tonic_Wine)
Jeppson's Malort is a US thing, but small-m malort (or, more properly, malört) is a traditional Scandinavian herbal liquor. It is notably bitter but acts as a digestif, settling the stomach in small amounts.
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As a Quebecois, I approve this. but you must specify the ingredients: Nicely baked french fries, BBQ/brown sauce and the most important: FRESH CHEDDARD CHEESE CURDS. Anything else is an abomination and must be nuked from orbit. :grin: :grin: :grin:
*hides the butter chicken Poutine*
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Since it appears Malort is pretty hard to come by outside the US, what would make a good substitute for those of us in other parts of the world?
Mix mustard, vinegar, gasoline, and lemon juice(not lemonade). Be sure to let it sit in the sun for a while.
Disclaimer: This is a joke. You should not drink anything with gasoline in it or any of those ingredients after they've sat in the sun. Still, it would taste better than the Malort...
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Mix mustard, vinegar, gasoline, and lemon juice(not lemonade). Be sure to let it sit in the sun for a while.
Disclaimer: This is a joke. You should not drink anything with gasoline in it or any of those ingredients after they've sat in the sun. Still, it would taste better than the Malort...
Don't know what Malort you've been drinking.
You totally forgot the notes of "grass clippings."
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That Necrosia recipe reminds me of the episode of Red Dwarf where Lister is stranded and has to eat dog food to survive and he remarks after eating a spoonful “Now I know why dogs lick their testicles; to get the taste of the food out of their mouth”.
The Steiner Assault Recon drink, while also not something to my tastes, seems to at least be done right. Go heavy or go home.
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Jeppson's Malort is a US thing, but small-m malort (or, more properly, malört) is a traditional Scandinavian herbal liquor. It is notably bitter but acts as a digestif, settling the stomach in small amounts.
Is the international stuff just as bad?
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Don't know what Malort you've been drinking.
You totally forgot the notes of "grass clippings."
"Drinking"!? I had the sense to put the glass back down once it got within 6 inches of my nose. D&D session I was playing at one night had a house rule that if you rolled a 1 you had to take a shot. Told them I'd go home before I let that hit my lips, let alone go through them.
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Since it appears Malort is pretty hard to come by outside the US, what would make a good substitute for those of us in other parts of the world?
I'm wondering if Buckfast might be a suitable alternative for the UK...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckfast_Tonic_Wine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckfast_Tonic_Wine)
Jeppson's malort (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeppson%27s_Mal%C3%B6rt) is described as being flavored with Anise (aka wormwood.) so i'd guess that ytou could probably swap it for any other Anise flavored spirit. Absinthe is a more well known variety of such (though it has some other herbs involved as flavoring), but you could probably look around the various varieties of 'bitters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitters)' for Anise flavored options. malort is classed as a type of bitters, so odds are you could find a strong flavored variety that'll fit.
and i'm not surprised the stuff is less than appealing on its own. bitters are usually used as part of mixed drink,
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I guess I now know who the real MechWarriors are in here.
...nobody, BattleTech isn't real. :laugh:
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Sounds like pickled durian.
Mix mustard, vinegar, gasoline, and lemon juice(not lemonade). Be sure to let it sit in the sun for a while.
Disclaimer: This is a joke. You should not drink anything with gasoline in it or any of those ingredients after they've sat in the sun. Still, it would taste better than the Malort...
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Sounds like pickled durian.
We don't know. Nobody has tried both durian and Malort and lived to tell that tale.
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Durian malort "fruit" smoothie?
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Durian malort "fruit" smoothie?
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/EsVz77AqFcwAAAAC/sharp-objects-stop.gif)
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Durian malort "fruit" smoothie?
I can make it palatable. Briefly. But then the aftertaste is going to cause problems for the cleaning staff.
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*hides the butter chicken Poutine*
Your local ROM office has been notified.
Do not attempt to leave the planet.
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This BPL videos has all the info I need on Jeppson's Malort
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3tm2zngNi4
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Your local ROM office has been notified.
Do not attempt to leave the planet.
I'm not saying ROM recruits Québécois for this kind of enforcement, but I'm not not saying it.
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Randall just covered the Kickstarter fulfillment on the AdeptiCon livestream. Fulfillment is still due for June, but shipping is an absolute nightmare with the UrbanMech LAM and Star League Command Lance being on the water for eight weeks (and thus missing AdeptiCon by about a week). Randall has confirmed that everything for the Kickstarter is on the water.
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Randall just covered the Kickstarter fulfillment on the AdeptiCon livestream. Fulfillment is still due for June, but shipping is an absolute nightmare with the UrbanMech LAM and Star League Command Lance being on the water for eight weeks (and thus missing AdeptiCon by about a week). Randall has confirmed that everything for the Kickstarter is on the water.
That's great news! Crossing my fingers that the boats arrive and get offloaded promptly and that fulfilment doesn't lose their minds with all of our Stuff.
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Any news on when will we get charged for the shipping?
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Any news on when will we get charged for the shipping?
Most likely when they actually hit the docks.
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Most likely when they actually hit the docks.
Or within a week of that. Need to make sure they have everything before shipping out to customers' homes.
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I'm not saying ROM recruits Québécois for this kind of enforcement, but I'm not not saying it.
Training clip of one of our units in action :laugh: :laugh: :tongue: :tongue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUGW0jszPzo
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Most likely when they actually hit the docks.
Noted. Was asking in case they had said anything about it at the Adepticon livestream. Thanks!
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Expect to receive an e-mail in mid-April and to be charged 7-10 days afterwards for shipping after entering your payment info. per one of the adepticon live streams from thursday, I believe it was the final session with Randall and Loren at the table.
Almost forgot to add, they said all kickstarter stuff is on the water.
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Expect to receive an e-mail in mid-April and to be charged 7-10 days afterwards for shipping after entering your payment info. per one of the adepticon live streams from thursday, I believe it was the final session with Randall and Loren at the table.
Almost forgot to add, they said all kickstarter stuff is on the water.
Yeah, probably more like late April, considering the travel times from China. Thanks for the info. Lets see how much it adds up to, not going to be cheap. Even if this time I controlled myself and didn't buy any battlemat.
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Yeah, probably more like late April, considering the travel times from China. Thanks for the info. Lets see how much it adds up to, not going to be cheap. Even if this time I controlled myself and didn't buy any battlemat.
That may have already been taken in to account. If it takes 8 weeks to transport anything from China right now, that means its already half-way in transit. So that means it's already on the Pacific somewhere, if its heading to the American West Coast, or nearing Cape Horn or Cape Hope if its hitting the Atlantic. There's also all the outside-America delivery locations that should be receiving their allotment in a similar time frame. Fluentcargo.com predicts about a 37 day travel time for a cargo ship to go from Hong Kong to London, and 21 days to Seattle. That's a bit shorter than 8 weeks.
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Expect to receive an e-mail in mid-April and to be charged 7-10 days afterwards for shipping after entering your payment info. per one of the adepticon live streams from thursday, I believe it was the final session with Randall and Loren at the table.
Almost forgot to add, they said all kickstarter stuff is on the water.
What the Merc KS is on the water!?
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What the Merc KS is on the water!?
The Merc Kickstarter is on a boat!
REJOICE, THE BLESSED BLAKE COMMANDS YOU TO REJOICE.
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Failure to rejoice will result in a visit from Precentor Sparkles and his melty stick.
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REJOICE, THE BLESSED BLAKE COMMANDS YOU TO REJOICE.
I didn't get a harrumph from that guy! *Menacingly* Give the Precentor a "harrumph!"
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What the Merc KS is on the water!?
Yes. (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=83382.msg1998826#msg1998826)
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The Merc Kickstarter is on a boat!
Are you TRYING to jinx it?!?
(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5bb15ac52000009900ff9e5b.jpeg?ops=scalefit_720_noupscale)
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I am suddenly reminded of when the first shipment of Games Workshop's plastic Falcon hovertanks fell into the Atlantic Ocean, so...
KEEP PRAYING TO BLAKE.
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I am suddenly reminded of when the first shipment of Games Workshop's plastic Falcon hovertanks fell into the Atlantic Ocean, so...
KEEP PRAYING TO BLAKE.
THE GOOD BLAKE GIVETH AND THE GOOD BLAKE TAKETH. BLAKE BE PRAISED!
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Something something word of bloke
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Something something word of bloke
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3759380870_5.jpg)
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5c/WOB_logo_for_that_organization.jpg/220px-WOB_logo_for_that_organization.jpg)
And so the circle is complete ...
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That may have already been taken in to account. If it takes 8 weeks to transport anything from China right now, that means its already half-way in transit. So that means it's already on the Pacific somewhere, if its heading to the American West Coast, or nearing Cape Horn or Cape Hope if its hitting the Atlantic. There's also all the outside-America delivery locations that should be receiving their allotment in a similar time frame. Fluentcargo.com predicts about a 37 day travel time for a cargo ship to go from Hong Kong to London, and 21 days to Seattle. That's a bit shorter than 8 weeks.
Yeah, it all depends on where it is going. I guess all the cargoes go to the US to then be distributed to diferent hubs. Or do they go directly to the hubs? I guess the first one.
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Yeah, it all depends on where it is going. I guess all the cargoes go to the US to then be distributed to diferent hubs. Or do they go directly to the hubs? I guess the first one.
Last time it was straight to each hub, shipping to the US first and then shipping it out again would cost a lot more and be slower.
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Yeah, it all depends on where it is going. I guess all the cargoes go to the US to then be distributed to different hubs. Or do they go directly to the hubs? I guess the first one.
also depends on the route. the panama canal is only usable intermittently right now because of water level issues, the suez is risky due to assorted Rule4 related issues. so a lot of ships have had to be rerouted over the last weeks.
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The email for shipping payments is said to sent out mid April.
An update about the shipping email is meant to go out in the next 2 weeks ish.
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Was there any news one how distribution will be done for Europe? As in, will the shipping point be from inside the EU? Because that would be lovely.
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Was there any news one how distribution will be done for Europe? As in, will the shipping point be from inside the EU? Because that would be lovely.
They're working with QML again, who have European distribution partners
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Mix mustard, vinegar, gasoline, and lemon juice(not lemonade). Be sure to let it sit in the sun for a while.
Disclaimer: This is a joke. You should not drink anything with gasoline in it or any of those ingredients after they've sat in the sun. Still, it would taste better than the Malort...
Back in the late 80's the grocery store I worked in sold this concoction called Jogging in a Jug. Basically prune juice and vinegar. The older customers would buy that stuff all the time. If they ever dropped a jug, there would be fist fights over who had to mop up the mess.
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It might have been easier to simply burn the store down.
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that sounds worse than the time i broke most of a case of molasses jars. it took five hours to clean up.
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Try a pallet load of bolognese sauce jars, dropped from fourth level pallet racking onto concrete, during a heatwave.
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Does anyone happen to know where the canadian distribution hub will be? I assume somewhere around Toronto or Vancouver?
DW
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Does anyone happen to know where the canadian distribution hub will be? I assume somewhere around Toronto or Vancouver?
So far there has been no announcement of a Canadian hub. For the Clan Invasion Kickstarter Quarter Master Logistics packed all of the Canadian orders in the US and then trucked them to Canada, since Catalyst is using them again it will probably be the same process this time.
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I know they'd LIKE to get a Canadian hub going to solve issues with shipping costs. but don't think there has been anything happening on that front yet
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Oh, when I saw the Canada-Friendly Shipping icon I assumed they would have a canadian hub. I wasn't in on the Clan Invasion KS. Guess we'll see how it goes this time.
DW
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Oh, when I saw the Canada-Friendly Shipping icon I assumed they would have a canadian hub. I wasn't in on the Clan Invasion KS. Guess we'll see how it goes this time.
9 times out of 10 Canada-Friendly shipping on a crowdfunding campaign is shipped from the US with duties included in the shipping fees so we aren't charged on delivery.
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Do we have a picture of the new Flea's rear?
Wondering if it represents FLE-16 (from TROSW) that has no rear guns, or FLE-17 (TRO3050) that does have rear guns?
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Do we have a picture of the new Flea's rear?
Wondering if it represents FLE-16 (from TROSW) that has no rear guns, or FLE-17 (TRO3050) that does have rear guns?
According to Anthony's Patreon post (which is over a year old at this point) it's the FLE-16.
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According to Anthony's Patreon post (which is over a year old at this point) it's the FLE-16.
Thanks.
Would explain why the RecGuides created the FLE-21 as it is, since RecGuide models are WYSIWYGs and it has no rear guns.
Does cause me some headache for force building, the FLE-16 desperately needs wider availability than just Wolf's Dragoons.
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Check your inbox for Update #81. Address changes and shipping fees are just around the corner.
And some pics from Adeptacon.
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SOON
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cgl/battletech-mercenaries/posts/4060963
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Much sooner than expected. I don't have buyers remorse for ForcePack I bought on weekend, honest...
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Huh. Puts me in kind of a rough spot.
Work is requiring that I move in the next few months (it's that kind of job), but until I get the word, I can't even go looking for a place. Thus; no address to ship to.
What do you think the odds are that we'd see Canadian shipping before June?
The last KS ended up coming to a laundromat outside town and I had to drive 40 minutes to pick it up. A simple mail re-direct would not have worked.
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What do you think the odds are that we'd see Canadian shipping before June?
Probably so close to 0 that its not worth considering. If we get an update that everything has arrived in LA next week or Orlando the week after, and then all of the processing goes perfectly, and Canadian orders are shipped before the US (it did happen with the Clan Invasion campaign), then there is a tiny chance that it might arrive by May 31st.
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Huh. Puts me in kind of a rough spot.
Work is requiring that I move in the next few months (it's that kind of job), but until I get the word, I can't even go looking for a place. Thus; no address to ship to.
What do you think the odds are that we'd see Canadian shipping before June?
The last KS ended up coming to a laundromat outside town and I had to drive 40 minutes to pick it up. A simple mail re-direct would not have worked.
I suppose you could give the address of family or a trusted friend who can hold onto it until you can get it
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US backers, turn on the news. Baltimore (America's 8th largest port) is going to be blocked off for months. This will unfortunately slow down America's other east coast ports even more.
Didn't the last Kickstarter ship out of Georgia?
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that's where the warehouse is yeah
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US backers, turn on the news. Baltimore (America's 8th largest port) is going to be blocked off for months. This will unfortunately slow down America's other east coast ports even more.
Didn't the last Kickstarter ship out of Georgia?
I thought the KS shipped out of Florida. The CGL store ships from Georgia.
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I thought the KS shipped out of Florida. The CGL store ships from Georgia.
QML's website (https://www.qmlogistics.com/about-us/) shows them using the ports of Jacksonville, Fort Lauderdale and Miami.
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QML's website (https://www.qmlogistics.com/about-us/) shows them using the ports of Jacksonville, Fort Lauderdale and Miami.
That's not too bad then. There are ports a lot closer to Baltimore that should pick up most of the slack.
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Just got this email from Catalyst: Last call to update your shipping address for BattleTech: Mercenaries! :smilie_happy_clapping:
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Just got this email from Catalyst: Last call to update your shipping address for BattleTech: Mercenaries! :smilie_happy_clapping:
Same!
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Same!
+1
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Just got this email from Catalyst: Last call to update your shipping address for BattleTech: Mercenaries! :smilie_happy_clapping:
So did I!
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I got the address update notification and my VAT has been added, but no shipping total yet. That VAT is a spicey meatball
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Same.
I wish it wouldn't hit the "ansty anticipation" button in my nervous system that something hits whenever I finally calm down from the last time, though.
Must has new tanks soon! I think I have enough for when my Clan campaign hits the Periphery in May, but can Spheroids ever have enough tanks when dealing with Periphery Furries (or Featheries in the case of those Turkey yahoos)?
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I got the address update notification and my VAT has been added, but no shipping total yet. That VAT is a spicey meatball
How bad was it?
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How bad was it?
about 21%, that and shipping will push my total payout into four figures.
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I suppose you could give the address of family or a trusted friend who can hold onto it until you can get it
That's a great idea. Thank you.
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I suppose you could give the address of family or a trusted friend who can hold onto it until you can get it
I'm not expecting to move soon, but I still send any expensive packages or lengthy preorders to my sister's. Safer all around.
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about 21%, that and shipping will push my total payout into four figures.
I haven't got mine yet, but my bank balance is already wincing in anticipation, for similar reasons.
I really need to stop buying minis, I don't get anywhere near opportunities to use them compared to what I've spent :rolleyes:
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Counterpoint: more minis!
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I didn't get a shipping guess yet. I guess I will know soon.
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I got the address update notification and my VAT has been added, but no shipping total yet. That VAT is a spicey meatball
Same for AU tax. I suspect that number will go up when shipping is added (boo!)
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I don't want to think about the 24% VAT in here plus the taxes (and the hassle of doing the customs declaration) :shocked:
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Same for AU tax. I suspect that number will go up when shipping is added (boo!)
GST should only be 10% ... and yes, that will hurt on two battalion pledges plus extras.
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Yeah, my wallet is bracing for the Shipping cost.
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I got the address update notification and my VAT has been added, but no shipping total yet. That VAT is a spicey meatball
Where did you see the VAT? Received my mail, but didn't do anything, as don't have to change my address.
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Where did you see the VAT? Received my mail, but didn't do anything, as don't have to change my address.
It's not shown in the email, you have to login to Backerkit to see it.
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Where did you see the VAT? Received my mail, but didn't do anything, as don't have to change my address.
Click through and then go to the next page and it's listed there. Shipping still says 0 for me
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They'll start charging shipping April 5th.
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Click through and then go to the next page and it's listed there. Shipping still says 0 for me
Ah, I see. Didn't want to click in case I would jinx it :grin: As we will receive another email when the shipping is added, I will wait. Thanks for the answer, and to Aresneo too!
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Click through and then go to the next page and it's listed there. Shipping still says 0 for me
Mine said "0" also. I hope everything is right. Just that panic that you get when something is finally coming out.
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I haven't got mine yet, but my bank balance is already wincing in anticipation, for similar reasons.
I really need to stop buying minis, I don't get anywhere near opportunities to use them compared to what I've spent :rolleyes:
You guys are getting to USE your minis?
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lmao. lol.
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You guys are getting to USE your minis?
Closet’s not gonna fill itself!
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My shipping is there now - about $140 for a couple of battalion levels, drop ships and a few extras to AU. Very happy with that, last time I checked the CGL store was that for one Force Pack :shocked:
EDIT: Spelling
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Mine there too, also Australian, so I'm wondering if its just the Aus hub shipping that's locked in now.
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From the CGL Discord (on my own initiative, not as a mod):
International backers of the @BattleTech: Mercenaries KS may have noticed your shipping charges are rather higher than what you may have expected.
We've let @Rem Alternis know, and she's looped in her team to follow-up with the distributor.
Please understand that we're about to go into a long weekend, and Rem, CGL, Backerkit, and the distributor may all be taking time away from their desks to spend with their families.
Unofficially, I would imagine the earliest we'll hear back is on Tuesday, if not later in the week. So please try not to get in on the pitchforks during the weekend flash sale.
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From the CGL Discord (on my own initiative, not as a mod):
Where do I see that? Also Australia. Just got the email about changing address (which I don't need to do). What am I missing, thanks?
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Where do I see that? Also Australia. Just got the email about changing address (which I don't need to do). What am I missing, thanks?
CGL discord:
https://discord.gg/catalystgamelabs
I think if your log into the backerkit you’ll see the charge.
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Not seeing it. Do I have to register for the Discord?
And tried logging in on Backerkit. It didn't recognise any of my email addresses.
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Not seeing it. Do I have to register for the Discord?
And tried logging in on Backerkit. It didn't recognise any of my email addresses.
Try looking for an email with the subject "Response needed - Get your reward for BattleTech: Mercenaries" and click the link there - it prepopulates with the email address but also has a "skip this step" for logging in. That might allow you in.
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Got there in the end. Wanted to resend me the survey, but clicking into that got me to a screen. Showed me the shipping and tax - $180 of the little Aussie dollars, which is in the ballpark. Good thing I checked, my credit card had expired late last year, so I could update the details. Thanks all!
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Mine too, and from the EU, so I guess it is not an Australia thing only. Quite a number, about 300$, which will be about 250 euros, I guess, but I expected it would cost me about that. The things I do for love.
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@Moragion; to get a better view on the Eu shipping situation, may I inquire what was your approx. pledge level (Battalion, Regiment,..)
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@Moragion; to get a better view on the Eu shipping situation, may I inquire what was your approx. pledge level (Battalion, Regiment,..)
My total was about 800$, Regiment level plus a few add-ons. As you can see, shipping plus VAT is more than 1/3 of my pledge. Not great. I worked at shipping a long time ago, and still have friends working there, and this is more or less the state of shipping right now.
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Just to confirm, have we been charged for shipping yet? I see that my balance is zero, but suspect that the charges haven't yet been calculated.
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Shipping rates have been put in for some international customers but nothing for the US yet, it seems
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Just to confirm, have we been charged for shipping yet? I see that my balance is zero, but suspect that the charges haven't yet been calculated.
We will get an email on April 5th to pay the shipping. Right now I thing it is simply them putting the info on everyones account to get ready for the 5th. Probably why other people don't have any shipping stated yet.
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I'm looking at over a third (closer to a half) of my pledge level in shipping and VAT.
This completely destroys any value in the KS.
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I'm looking at over a third (closer to a half) of my pledge level in shipping and VAT.
This completely destroys any value in the KS.
I'm sorry that sucks. There is unfortunately not much Catalyst can do about that.
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Well - lets just pile on the Shipping Outrage train here....Mine is projected at $260 (i'm assuming this is USD) which means if CAD is just over 350 USD.
That means my shipping is almost half the KS value.
Bloody Hell.
I don't remember the first KS being anywhere near this expensive.
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I don't remember the first KS being anywhere near this expensive.
It's not Catalyst gouging - this article goes into the various factors that have sent shipping costs skyrocketing worldwide.
https://www.freightos.com/freight-blog/shipping-delays-and-cost-increases/
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It's not Catalyst gouging - this article goes into the various factors that have sent shipping costs skyrocketing worldwide.
https://www.freightos.com/freight-blog/shipping-delays-and-cost-increases/
VAT is the killer not shipping.
Was there not going to be EU distribution with this KS?
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I'm looking at over a third (closer to a half) of my pledge level in shipping and VAT.
This completely destroys any value in the KS.
I've just taken a quick look at mine, and $140 shipping to the UK on a pledge of ~$1200 seems quite reasonable.
It's the ~$280 in VAT that hurts.
I'm actually seriously considering getting it shipped to a US address and collecting it in person the next time I visit, especially since I've (hopefully) got the Leviathans KS delivering this year as well.
It also means that I'm much less likely to back future KS projects.
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Vague recollection there was some EU rule change that made VAT apply to KS stuff, between CI and this kickstarter?
It was one of the reason i figure i would not bother to take part in this KS at all 'cause the prices would be even higher on top of the rewards tiers being priced as retail products.
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Vague recollection there was some EU rule change that made VAT apply to KS stuff, between CI and this kickstarter?
It was one of the reason i figure i would not bother to take part in this KS at all 'cause the prices would be even higher on top of the rewards tiers being priced as retail products.
I've had so much trouble getting BT stuff that I figured the KS was going to be my only chance to get most of the things on offer at any price at all. My normal experience of buying physical BT stuff is that it is either perpetually out of stock, or the price is jacked up by scalpers.
Also, having run the maths, they've charged VAT on the full value of my KS order, but I got a lot of books as add-ons, which are zero-rated for VAT and thus should not have been included in the tax calculation.
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VAT is the killer not shipping.
Was there not going to be EU distribution with this KS?
Sadly it's all over crowdfunding. I backed Nemesis Retaliation, which is made by an EU company and have been hit for VAT at 23% on it too.
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It's not Catalyst gouging - this article goes into the various factors that have sent shipping costs skyrocketing worldwide.
https://www.freightos.com/freight-blog/shipping-delays-and-cost-increases/
I never said it was Catalyst gouging us.
To put into context, I just bought a K40 Laser cutter for home use, the thing is around 30lb, and came in a box 2'x1.5'x3' - pretty big. Cost me just under $1000. Shipping was free, but as I still have the box, I'm sure I can go see if I can find the waybill to see what the shipping from California to Vancouver was. But I'm fairly certain it was not around $300 US
I also know from the KS site this is what was promised:
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/040/308/256/e71c4ce866b2c0c1ee3fc24b8155c63a_original.png?ixlib=rb-4.1.0&w=680&fit=max&v=1679355019&gif-q=50&lossless=true&s=8ad10656183ac92876f6299793d03fec)
As to VAT, well, based on my Canada Customs Duties page
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Sadly it's all over crowdfunding. I backed Nemesis Retaliation, which is made by an EU company and have been hit for VAT at 23% on it too.
Hmmm I backed that as well, but my VAT (Canada) should be limited to 12% for me (based on my Local Tax rate)
*UPDATE*
infact - Canada's VAT rate is 5%:
https://wise.com/gb/vat/canada
And as per this site, it lists the UK's VAT as 20%
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https://wise.com/gb/vat/canada
And as per this site, it lists the UK's VAT as 20%
I'm not in the UK, I'm in Ireland where it is indeed 23%. Though books are 0% so I might be able to claw some back from Revenue.
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I'm not in the UK, I'm in Ireland where it is indeed 23%. Though books are 0% so I might be able to claw some back from Revenue.
My Apologies - I did not wish to presume.
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I'm not in the UK, I'm in Ireland where it is indeed 23%. Though books are 0% so I might be able to claw some back from Revenue.
Can we get CGL to take the books off before they calculate VAT on our orders, or do we have to try & reclaim it from Revenue afterwards?
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So, for a point of comparison, attached are the shipping costs of my two Clan Invasion Backings. One was a GALAXY COMMANDER with lots of Extras on SPLIT SHIPPING with the quoted amount being the second wave shipping, the STAR COLONEL was a single shipment.
I have bought a comparative amount in this KS (actually even less this time around then the first KS) so comparing even to the larger of the two the GALAXY COMMANDER, it had a shipping for $52 (USD so around $70 CAD). Compare to this KS of $260 (again, gonna assume already in CAD as has the GST Tax added) that's an almost 300% increase in shipping. Makes me a very sad boy :sad:
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Can we get CGL to take the books off before they calculate VAT on our orders, or do we have to try & reclaim it from Revenue afterwards?
No idea, sadly
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VAT is the killer not shipping.
Was there not going to be EU distribution with this KS?
Yes. But CGL told everyone that they had to pay VAT over and over from where you click to select your pledge level to the FAQ to even the thing were they said they had an EU Distribution center. Honestly and I critics CGL often. But they could not have been more transparent about you having to pay VAT.
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I just want to make clear here.
I am not, I repeat NOT jumping down or blaming CGL here for the shipping issue. Much Like I won't blame my local restaurant for the high priced UBER EATS costs - not something they have control over.
I am merely pointing out how this is a shock, how I have records to prove the huge increase between the CI KS and the Merc KS shipping, so it is not something I am mis-remembering, or exaggerating.
I will wait for follow up from CGL, and hope, and pray this is all a huge error on the fulfillment side, and hope that all parties 'make it right' based on what we were promised at the time of KS campaign.
Hopefully this will be the last bit I've said on this.
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I just want to make clear here.
I am not, I repeat NOT jumping down or blaming CGL here for the shipping issue. Much Like I won't blame my local restaurant for the high priced UBER EATS costs - not something they have control over.
I am merely pointing out how this is a shock, how I have records to prove the huge increase between the CI KS and the Merc KS shipping, so it is not something I am mis-remembering, or exaggerating.
I will wait for follow up from CGL, and hope, and pray this is all a huge error on the fulfillment side, and hope that all parties 'make it right' based on what we were promised at the time of KS campaign.
Hopefully this will be the last bit I've said on this.
I have a feeling like CGL suggest the shipping cost is going to be an error. They have an update on it. We will see. As many SKU's as CGL makes these I could also see were the shipping and handling companies are charging a lot for that. We will hopefully know more next week.
Personally I didn't spend as much on this kickstarter because I had no Ideal how much shipping would cost. Without that number hard to know what I could afford. And with CGL being able to keep things in stock in the USA these days it seemed like a risk I didn't need to take. I know not knowing shipping seems to be the new norm on Kickstarter Shiping but in my mind it is a Red Flag.
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Okay, so someone help me out here.
I am looking at these numbers and I'm not adding it up.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Primary-Gallery/i-3mMqRJM/0/DGx7V8mvsJGpjB9mh3d2Vf9x9FC4CMTPNVP6xL3Wc/M/KSmercs%20stuff01-M.png)
It says I already paid $173, okay. 275+323-173 = 425, okay.
Shipping+shippingVAT+VAT 77+15+120 = 212...
The order value only says $212, which seems to be the number obtained from VAT plus shipping as above.
Am I thus expecting to pay $425+$212 = $637 => £500 (more) or what? And if (likely) so, why does it not seem to say that...?
If that last part is right, I will have spent nearly 44% extra over the cost of my pledge; I was expecting a fair bit for shipping et al, but, like nearly half as much again? That's abotu twice what I expected.
This is a big deal to me, by-the-by, since I KS'd basically just before the UK working tax credit=>universal credit system said "oh, you're self-employed? [F] off, then;" so it's now money I couldn't have spent in the situation now. It's going to be really hard to swallow now (e.g. said HMRC took six months to DAIN to tell me how to pay them the £200 they said they over-paid me before they uncerimoniously told me to get knotted and that wiped out half the income I made in that time).
(I don't know if it's even POSSIBLE to cancel at this point, and now I have to worry whether or not I should try.)
It all definitely means I will not ever be able to back a kickstarter again.
(Because the global situation will never improve; it will only get worse, because that's world that has been created.)
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Okay, so someone help me out here.
I am looking at these numbers and I'm not adding it up.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Primary-Gallery/i-3mMqRJM/0/DGx7V8mvsJGpjB9mh3d2Vf9x9FC4CMTPNVP6xL3Wc/M/KSmercs%20stuff01-M.png)
It says I already paid $173, okay. 275+323-173 = 425, okay.
Shipping+shippingVAT+VAT 77+15+120 = 212...
The order value only says $212, which seems to be the number obtained from VAT plus shipping as above.
Am I thus expecting to pay $425+$212 = $637 => £500 (more) or what? And if (likely) so, why does it not seem to say that...?
If that last part is right, I will have spent nearly 44% extra over the cost of my pledge; I was expecting a fair bit for shipping et al, but, like nearly half as much again? That's abotu twice what I expected.
This is a big deal to me, by-the-by, since I KS'd basically just before the UK working tax credit=>universal credit system said "oh, you're self-employed? [F] off, then;" so it's now money I couldn't have spent in the situation now. It's going to be really hard to swallow now (e.g. said HMRC took six months to DAIN to tell me how to pay them the £200 they said they over-paid me before they uncerimoniously told me to get knotted and that wiped out half the income I made in that time).
(I don't know if it's even POSSIBLE to cancel at this point, and now I have to worry whether or not I should try.)
It all definitely means I will not ever be able to back a kickstarter again.
(Because the global situation will never improve; it will only get worse, because that's world that has been created.)
It looks like it’s telling you that you paid $425 through Kickstarter, followed by $173 by card at a later date. Your remaining balance appears to be $212.
I don’t think I can comment on the correctness of the assorted charges.
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On Discord, Rem said that they're getting reports that foreign orders are being over-charged on shipping. CGL plans to look into it after the holiday weekend.
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It looks like it’s telling you that you paid $425 through Kickstarter, followed by $173 by card at a later date. Your remaining balance appears to be $212.
I don’t think I can comment on the correctness of the assorted charges.
This is correct, the numbers in parentheses are credits, and if you count them as such than you are left with the VAT + Shipping costs of 212, so (assuming the VAT is correct) those do seem to be the remaining charges that need to be paid.
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Okay, so someone help me out here.
I am looking at these numbers and I'm not adding it up.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Primary-Gallery/i-3mMqRJM/0/DGx7V8mvsJGpjB9mh3d2Vf9x9FC4CMTPNVP6xL3Wc/M/KSmercs%20stuff01-M.png)
It looks like it’s telling you that you paid $425 through Kickstarter, followed by $173 by card at a later date. Your remaining balance appears to be $212.
I don’t think I can comment on the correctness of the assorted charges.
the numbers add up
the first part is KS Pledge of $275, and then the add-ons of $323. That totals out to $598 of which the Kickstarter took $425 and they then paid $173 (which also adds up to $598)
The Shipping part is $77.07 + $119.60 (VAT) + $15.41 (VAT Shipping) which totals $212.08
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Right, thanks folks, that has set my mind at rest.
$212 dollars is still a lot, but that's Acceptable Losses; higher than expected, as I say, but the difference between £170 and £500 in my current situation is, well, self-explanatorily an effective order of magnitude.
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I would just like someone to explain the VAT Shipping charge.
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I would just like someone to explain the VAT Shipping charge.
It looks to me like VAT/GST on the shipping charges as opposed to the order total.
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A new update regarding international shipping has come out. CGL is looking at the most egregious orders and asking the shipper to explain how they got that number.
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According to people on the CGL Discord US shipping estimates are showing up as well and some of them are pretty wild too.
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Are we seeing the final charges? Is EVERYTHING, as in ALL POSSIBLE FEES, included in what is currently displayed by backerkit?
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$380 in shipping for a $1200 pledge to NY. It looks like the shipper is charging one dollar for every three dollars in pledges. The shipper has some explaining to do. :cussing:
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According to people on the CGL Discord US shipping estimates are showing up as well and some of them are pretty wild too.
On backerkit, mine is $127 on $505 order ... that's 25% of my total order. Pretty sure if I ordered that much product from somewhere else stateside I'd get free shipping.
jimdigris: I'm just north of Saratoga, NY ... these numbers seem unreasonably high.
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I just looked, and it is $264 plus New York State taxes. The shipper has some explaining to do. :cussing:
I just looked and I’m at 314 + 26 in tax for 340 to California. Holy shit. I was expecting more than last time (~100) but not fully 1/3 of what I bought.
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jimdigris: I'm just north of Saratoga, NY ... these numbers seem unreasonably high.
They are most unreasonable.
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Looking at responses on Discord and Kickstarter, it looks like the shipper is charging everyone one dollar for three dollars in pledges.
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It looks to me like VAT/GST on the shipping charges as opposed to the order total.
VAT is the Value Added Tax
GST (Canada) is the Goods and Services Tax
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It looks to me like VAT/GST on the shipping charges as opposed to the order total.
Correct at least in GST (in Australia) - you would be taxed on both "Goods and Services" - the shipping is a service. Having said that, that is a flat 10% which I expected. I am surprised that the shipping component is so high compared to AU. Shipping for this works out around 10-15% for me.
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On backerkit, mine is $127 on $505 order ... that's 25% of my total order. Pretty sure if I ordered that much product from somewhere else stateside I'd get free shipping.
jimdigris: I'm just north of Saratoga, NY ... these numbers seem unreasonably high.
Yeah, completely unreasonable. I had a $445 order and they're listing $110 for shipping. Someone is smoking the good stuff if they think that's going to fly.
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Now the hard part ... not "doom scrolling" while the PBT do some digging.
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U.S. estimates are hitting and the news is just as bad. Running around 25-35% of total order price. One person is pay $42 for just ordering the $80 box set.
Good thing Catalyst said their already on it.
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I'm in the US and got my shipping charges. For a Company pledge with an extra Blood Asp and challenge coin I was charged $44.66 (including the 6% state sales tax).
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I just looked and I’m at 314 + 26 in tax for 340 to California. Holy shit. I was expecting more than last time (~100) but not fully 1/3 of what I bought.
I'm also in California and my shipping is roughly 27% of a thousand dollar order. Seems off by quite a bit.
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I'm in the US and got my shipping charges. For a Company pledge with an extra Blood Asp and challenge coin I was charged $44.66 (including the 6% state sales tax).
I have nothing extra, but in a state that's close to, but not yet in California (though they are moving here in large enough numbers). I have a similar order, just without the extra Salvage box, and it's asking for about $10 less, not including the taxes (which were just over $8).
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Algorithms run mad; the beginning of the Singularity? ;)
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$100 for a $300 Battalion+extras pledge to the middle of the US.
I feel like the only way that would be possible is if they send each separate product in its own box.
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Is it possible that they are adding extra costs for the order picking?
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I got 25% for a $600 order. I hope something gets fixed it just seems high. Considering how you get get stuff from across the pond direct for 30%
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$125 on $365 pledge, and I'm in Phoenix, AZ. Also, a mysterious $8 shipping tax that I've never seen before, on anything I've ever ordered. My CL pledge was twice as large as this one and my shipping on that was only $41. Something is definitely off.
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$380 in shipping for a $1200 pledge to NY. It looks like the shipper is charging one dollar for every three dollars in pledges. The shipper has some explaining to do. :cussing:
That does look dodgy, since I'm getting ~$140 in shipping on a similar pledge in the UK
(I'm assuming you don't have to worry about sales tax/VAT which is an extra ~$280 for me)
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$72.49 for Battalion + a couple extras for Eastern Iowa, which doesn't feel too crazy, but the sales tax on shipping is very weird.
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I forgot that I’d gotten the city mats bundle as an add-on. That would bump shipping up but still seems excessive.
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*opens survey*
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$72.49 for Battalion + a couple extras for Eastern Iowa, which doesn't feel too crazy, but the sales tax on shipping is very weird.
I don't recall seeing sales tax on shipping before, but apparenlty it is a thing.
(https://blog.mycorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/sales_tax_shipping_map.png)
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Interesting - I’m in VA, which your map shows as non-taxable, and there’s a charge listed in the QML shipping for taxation on shipping.
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$313 shipping to Ohio. I got a decent amount of stuff but YIKES
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I don't recall seeing sales tax on shipping before, but apparenlty it is a thing.
I'm in Iowa, where shipping is specifically not taxable.
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Interesting - I’m in VA, which your map shows as non-taxable, and there’s a charge listed in the QML shipping for taxation on shipping.
Me too.
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Interesting - I’m in VA, which your map shows as non-taxable, and there’s a charge listed in the QML shipping for taxation on shipping.
I just googled it: VA doesn't tax shipping fees but the state can tax handling charges, handling includes loading and unloading from one truck to another. Shipping and handling is usually bundled together in the billing process.
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$250 on a roughly $800 order.
I hope Catalyst gets this sorted out soon.
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I hope they're all enjoying the Easter break as best they can, trying not to be too mindful of the tsunami of 'WT actual F' they know is out there. And in all fairness, I'm sure they'll do what they can to sort this out. Just hope it's not a 'Oh, you didn't read the fine print?' scenario for them.
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These shipping prices would be appropriate for 2 day air, which I personally would find mildly amusing as a cause if that had accidentally been picked for all backers.
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These shipping prices would be appropriate for 2 day air, which I personally would find mildly amusing as a cause if that had accidentally been picked for all backers.
I'm expecting a certain amount of charge for the warehousing and packing. But...
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I hope they're all enjoying the Easter break as best they can, trying not to be too mindful of the tsunami of 'WT actual F' they know is out there. And in all fairness, I'm sure they'll do what they can to sort this out. Just hope it's not a 'Oh, you didn't read the fine print?' scenario for them.
I just want to express my agreement with this. As much shock and outrage as I'm feeling, I do hope that they're all having a good holiday weekend before they go back to work and deal with a problem that is very much not their fault.
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Saw mine too. 37% in shipping + GST for Canada... Ouch! :shocked:
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I just want to express my agreement with this. As much shock and outrage as I'm feeling, I do hope that they're all having a good holiday weekend before they go back to work and deal with a problem that is very much not their fault.
Agreed. And in my case, I can handle the $75, it just still feels off.
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Doesn't help when you imagine how much more cheaply you could get the plastic retail.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but it is stuff like this that is why Kickstarter is anti consumer and amatuerish.
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I'm sure that everyone who wanted to save some money by waiting until the stuff goes to retail did so.
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$436.79 for shipping for mine? Oof, I don't have enough cash in my account yet. When's the shipping payment?
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Doesn't help when you imagine how much more cheaply you could get the plastic retail.
Onlyworks if you're US based. For the rest of the world, the KS is meant to beat retail.
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Just looked at my shipping charges and yikes. $397 on a $1168 order. Over 30% of the value of the KS. Shipping is to Wisconsin. This absolutely destroys any monetary value over retail the KS had. I wonder if the shipping company is chagring some fee based on the number of SKUs involved for a sorting and processing fee. Because US shipping should not be this much. I have literally shipped multiple heavy boxes the size of my torse across the country for a fraction of this.
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Correct at least in GST (in Australia) - you would be taxed on both "Goods and Services" - the shipping is a service. Having said that, that is a flat 10% which I expected. I am surprised that the shipping component is so high compared to AU. Shipping for this works out around 10-15% for me.
Yep I'm Australia as well, with a very large order. I actually think my shipping is fairly reasonable given the order size, I have a US $2.3k order and shipping is $167. The stinger for me is the GST which I had forgotten about.
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Less than 10% seems VERY reasonable considering the rates many of us are getting.
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I'm really hoping the fulfillment company isn't double-dipping on handling charges. Those should be covered by their service contract with CGL.
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These shipping prices would be appropriate for 2 day air, which I personally would find mildly amusing as a cause if that had accidentally been picked for all backers.
Something like that is my leading suspicion right now. ActionWife just ordered a whole bed frame that was considerably heavier and bulkier than my KS order will be and it didn’t cost anywhere near $100 to move. There’s obviously been some kind of mistake or mixup somewhere in the calculation process, especially since some non-US folks seem to be getting pretty reasonable rates. My hope is that it will relatively quick and painless to resolve after the weekend.
I can certainly understand the anger and frustration, though. I’m approaching this as someone fortunate enough to be able to afford the charge if worse comes to worse. Some people are looking at surprise costs that they just can’t cover, which is obviously a major problem in the event the situation does not improve.
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Something like that is my leading suspicion right now. ActionWife just ordered a whole bed frame that was considerably heavier and bulkier than my KS order will be and it didn’t cost anywhere near $100 to move. There’s obviously been some kind of mistake or mixup somewhere in the calculation process, especially since some non-US folks seem to be getting pretty reasonable rates. My hope is that it will relatively quick and painless to resolve after the weekend.
I can certainly understand the anger and frustration, though. I’m approaching this as someone fortunate enough to be able to afford the charge if worse comes to worse. Some people are looking at surprise costs that they just can’t cover, which is obviously a major problem in the event the situation does not improve.
Tell me, distrustful and seeing that it arrives to kids in Australia with less shipping charge and to Europeans and USA/Canada more expensive, they haven't contracted for shipping to a company based in China, right?
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Tell me, distrustful and seeing that it arrives to kids in Australia with less shipping charge and to Europeans and USA/Canada more expensive, they haven't contracted for shipping to a company based in China, right?
*ActionButler action shrug*
Given that everything is currently on boats that are presently moving away from China, I would assume not?
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I'm sure that everyone who wanted to save some money by waiting until the stuff goes to retail did so.
No, because thanks to how KS works we don't know how bad shipping is, it's a fun surprise down the road.
I spent nearly 1200 USD, and my shipping is a third of that?
If I had known that I could of pledged small and only gotten minimal retail items and saved hundreds of $$$ as a US backer by buying plastic retail.
And to be real clear I did a similar amount last time and shipping was way smaller. Something stinks, and if things go forward as they are this will be what is remembered about the kickstarter. Major black eye.
I expect however there has been a mistake that will be fixed quickly.
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Gents: remind me as a backer how I check my pledge for the shipping charges?
Edit: scratch that: $257.00 shipping to California. Agreeing with Scotty: this has to be second day air pricing. We’ll see what CGL says after the weekend.
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you should have been emailed a link to the backerkit.
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Gents: remind me as a backer how I check my pledge for the shipping charges?
To check mine I just used the link from the last call to update your shipping address email from catalyst games (i received the email on the 26th). Then clicked next on the survey tab. Hopefully we get an update fairly soon, mine was about a 1/3 of my pledge which feels high.
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1/3rd seems to be the norm then. Same thing here.
In the end, considering international shipping being what it is nowdays (but then, everything has gone up in a ridiculous way in a chosrt time span) and how we're that that big a contract for the amount of work entailed, 1/3 is near what I considered "worst case scenario if all goes well". Actually I'm 1/5 over my predictions for my zone of delivery. Company pledge so it's manageable, I can't complain.
Looking at Canada, we're what? 1300 backers perhaps? While the shipping will be condensed mostly in big cities, that's still a lot of ground to cover.
As I've lost control over my entertainement budget last year (as I soon will this year but in a less tragic way), I've dealt with many a store in the eastern canada zone.
Now for the two biggest ones, for orders near the same amount of money as my total pledge, whithout the free shipping bonus for big orders, the shipping was around 15$, for the smaller stores, around 30$. These stores have long term contracts. The shipping companys get a steady income. CGL is a one time thing. You sign those to get a one-timer, fees get higher.
Add to that the whole customs buisness. I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I know the governemental estimation aide is worthless and that just having the customs fill the forms can rapidly get to 40$ for the individual...with just one box containing one product. Add in the taxes... And your nearly at a hundred bucks to get the product to your door for a 250$ order.
I'll be happy if CGL can do something to make the kickstarter a better option then retail, but I'm not really surprised at the current "outside CGL" charges.
This was my first kickstarter and will definitely be the last. Making investments just ain't for me.
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:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: I just check my survey on BackerKit. My outstanding cost which by the I left extra for shipping . Outstanding is $284.68 shipping $273.68 . I don't know what $11.06 is for? Oh I' am not happy at all about this at all . I know the TPTB are checking into this after the Easter Holiday. I'll say this last Kickstarter for Battletech that for sure.
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On a 475 order I’m being charged 107. I just ordered 500+$ in another game and got free shipping. Maybe if there were unique items in the kickstarter it would be worth it but this is just retail stuff. If this doesn’t get fixed it’s embarrassing/damaging for CGL whether they’re responsible or not.
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Why don't we actually give Catalyst time to do something before we all panic?
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I can't find this info on mine.
Can someone tell us exactly what I'm looking for to click on?
Maybe starting with either the update# or just the screen after I log into the KS?
I might be having some browser issues.
Thanks for any help.
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So, as I wake up this am, and check the emails and what have you, I start the day with a new...WHAT???
Now, while a lot of the masses have read this paragraph and point to at, OK, CGL is looking into it, hopefully things'll be ok:
There is a chance that these charges are correct and this is just the state of mass distribution. If that is the case, Loren and the distribution team plan to come up with a solution to help us stand with our backers.
I wonder why no one seems to have picked up on the first line of the previous paragraph:
While we knew going with a higher quality shipper would be pricier, we did not know it would be to this level for some of you.
Ooooookay... :huh:
That is again akin to my Uber-Eats/Restaurant Analogy, but now the Restaurant (CGL) made a decision that instead of Joey and his Ford Pinto delivering my food, we'll go with Enrique and his Ferrari.
I'm really hoping that was a poor choice of words, because it sounds to me like they chose a different shipper/fulfilment from last time, and this one is way more expensive than anticipated.
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I can't find this info on mine.
Can someone tell us exactly what I'm looking for to click on?
Maybe starting with either the update# or just the screen after I log into the KS?
I might be having some browser issues.
Thanks for any help.
The starting point seems to be the "Address update"-mail you should have received a couple of days ago. There appears to be an option to click through and see the current shipping and other charges. See reply 639 upthread.
That being said, CGL is looking into the matter, so things might change.
I've decided not to look what the shipping charges currently are and will wait until we get an official reply/confirmation from TPTB.
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Have you guys heard about the stunt UPS tries to pull on Canadians with last-minute brokerage fees directly based off the value of the package?
WELCOME TO CANADA. Fun isn't it.
Hopefully CGL/QML either changes shippers or gets them to smarten up.
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Why don't we actually give Catalyst time to do something before we all panic?
Now that's just crazy talk!
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Have you guys heard about the stunt UPS tries to pull on Canadians with last-minute brokerage fees directly based off the value of the package?
WELCOME TO CANADA. Fun isn't it.
Hopefully CGL/QML either changes shippers or gets them to smarten up.
Not with UPS, but FED-EX does it all the time.
I have taken to refusing their demands as the 'bill' comes 1-2 weeks after delivery, when you are not even given the option to decline
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:rolleyes: :shocked: :tongue: I' am not in panic mode yet because they haven't charge shipping yet. BUT STILL! I have other Kickstarter that just gotten and shipping cost way better then this by the way.
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Where do you go to view shipping charges? I'm kinda lost.
Of course, I also can't change my province address yet, either. So there is that.
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Ouch. Not sure how they're shipping my stuff, but it was $46 for shipping plus around $3.50 for tax on the shipping (and according to the posted map, California doesn't even charge tax on shipping...).
But as others have said they haven't charged shipping yet, so this might just be a glitch.
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This is kinda a big screw up, but we don't know the real reason.
Let's just hope this gets fixed.
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So far this campaign has run very well, so yeah, I'm hoping this just a bug and can get fixed.
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Where do you go to view shipping charges? I'm kinda lost.
Of course, I also can't change my province address yet, either. So there is that.
I just logged into backerkit and looked down the right hand side for "my pledges" or something and went through there.
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Interesting - I’m in VA, which your map shows as non-taxable, and there’s a charge listed in the QML shipping for taxation on shipping.
Same, in MD, still have shipping tax on it.
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The starting point seems to be the "Address update"-mail you should have received a couple of days ago. There appears to be an option to click through and see the current shipping and other charges. See reply 639 upthread.
That being said, CGL is looking into the matter, so things might change.
I've decided not to look what the shipping charges currently are and will wait until we get an official reply/confirmation from TPTB.
Thanks DFA!
Seems like all of my important stuff keeps going to hidden corners of my spam box
and all the stuff I want to go away is front and center.
Mine's just over 1/3. I could have something twice that size flown 2 day for less.
Definitely something wonky.
Let's wait and see what Catalyst comes up with.
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Being based in Europe it feels indeed like rip-off. Especially since during the campaign it was said, that a european hub will be used and "local shipping rates" will apply ..
Yeah, well, I have never seen any local carrier with those kind of charges.....
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Doing rough mental maths while driving today and using very approximate prices (I basically went with the cheapest miniature store in eastern canada selling battletech, current prices of boxed sets and forcepacks), AS IT IS (for I always apprehend a hidden fee at the border or some such) and even the credit crad additional fee on money conversion rates taken into account, at 1/3 the cost of order for shipping, the minis come out pretty much even compared to retail, but all the pdfs and posters are bonus. Wouldn't necessarly have wanted those things enough to pay for them, but I'll be happy as heck re-arranging the warrom to fit those and the new inner sphere map. Also, such things as the dices will probably be restricted in their distribution, and direct CGL store shipping is simply prohibitive.
Everybody was at least hoping that the shipping costs would be lower (much lower in percentage indeed for bigger orders), I was betting on somethign like 40$ less in total (after ALL expenses) myself for my relatively small order, but we might get satisfaction yet.
Makes for a fair deal if you're willing to deal with the stress of kickstarters. Plus, that money will go into investing on the stuff to make us merry in the coming years, not going through the 3rd party retailer keeps more money per product in cgl's pockets.
More rationalizing of the situation, less stress and/or frustration. Really happy to have stressed out the economic aspects of the kickstarter last year myself.
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I hope when the fulfillment house gets back to Catalyst that we do get some more details. The shipper that they picked, the service level, and how fast they plan on completing fulfillment because that can change my opinion on the cost. Its higher than my estimate but I can afford it, that said I won't be happy if I don't see added value.
I do find it concerning how many posters are seeing shipping costs at about a 1/3 of their pledge. Fair or not it leads me to believe that they are charging me based on what they think we can afford rather than their costs.
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Why don't we actually give Catalyst time to do something before we all panic?
Honestly, its super exhausting. Telling people to chill even, results in just a long volumous pile of bullshit too.
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Honestly, its super exhausting. Telling people to chill even, results in just a long volumous pile of bullshit too.
It seems like a lot of people just have an axe to grind. No point engaging with it.
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Not even going to bother looking anything up until they give an update. No point giving myself a heart attack until we hear more.
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Click through and then go to the next page and it's listed there. Shipping still says 0 for me
I just checked mine and I'm in the US and it was showing $244, which is between 5 and 6 times what the CI Kickstarter shipping was for me.
Psy
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I'd like to defend the large outcry we are hearing from backers about this shipping charge.
First, I hope it's a small error causing a huge spike in shipping and that it's easily correctible. Maybe it's Quartermaster's error. Maybe it's CGL's. Maybe it's a little of both. Either way, this was a huge error in the rollout of shipping. If these shipping charges are even remotely correct, shame. Update 83 on KS...well it's not reassuring.
Second, we should have had estimated shipping calculations up front. We know the dimensions and weight of an Inner Sphere Lance pack. The length and weight of a neoprene map and many other items in this Kickstarter. If I would have seen something even close to my shipping numbers up front, it would have changed the way I pledged. I didn't have that choice.
Finally, in defense of the "freak-out" as I've seen some people describe it. Catalyst has repeatedly said that there is nothing like Kickstarter to generate excitement and advertising for their product. Well Kickstarter works both ways. This part of the Kickstarter was a flop and they should hear about it on Kickstarter, here, and on social media.
And all this isn't going to stop me from being a Battletech fan. I'm just not happy about it.
Mike
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I'd like to defend the large outcry we are hearing from backers about this shipping charge.
First, I hope it's a small error causing a huge spike in shipping and that it's easily correctible. Maybe it's Quartermaster's error. Maybe it's CGL's. Maybe it's a little of both. Either way, this was a huge error in the rollout of shipping. If these shipping charges are even remotely correct, shame. Update 83 on KS...well it's not reassuring.
Second, we should have had estimated shipping calculations up front. We know the dimensions and weight of an Inner Sphere Lance pack. The length and weight of a neoprene map and many other items in this Kickstarter. If I would have seen something even close to my shipping numbers up front, it would have changed the way I pledged. I didn't have that choice.
Finally, in defense of the "freak-out" as I've seen some people describe it. Catalyst has repeatedly said that there is nothing like Kickstarter to generate excitement and advertising for their product. Well Kickstarter works both ways. This part of the Kickstarter was a flop and they should hear about it on Kickstarter, here, and on social media.
And all this isn't going to stop me from being a Battletech fan. I'm just not happy about it.
Mike
No one is happy about it. But there is a difference behind "this sucks, but we'll see what the fix is next week before getting the pitchforks out" and "CGL is sTeAlInG fRoM uS!"
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No one is happy about it. But there is a difference behind "this sucks, but we'll see what the fix is next week before getting the pitchforks out" and "CGL is sTeAlInG fRoM uS!"
Many backers of the KS are really worried about this. Ability to pay in many cases seems to be in doubt. We are talking about hundreds of dollars of unexpected costs for some backers that they need to find in a limited period of time.
I don't give a second to the doom mongers but there is genuine shock at these costs. PR wise it's a major issue until fully resolved. The longer it drags the more damage will be done.
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Many backers of the KS are really worried about this. Ability to pay in many cases seems to be in doubt. We are talking about hundreds of dollars of unexpected costs for some backers that they need to find in a limited period of time.
I don't give a second to the doom mongers but there is genuine shock at these costs. PR wise it's a major issue until fully resolved. The longer it drags the more damage will be done.
Certainly. But I'm saying that having the meltdown now before we hear anything meaningful this coming week, just really doesn't work.
Like, if CGL tells me I need to eat crow and pay 800 USD in shipping, I'll be just as mad as anyone, make no mistake. But they've not told me that yet, and the cutoff date for all of this is the 12th iirc, provided it doesn't get pushed back further.
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Many backers of the KS are really worried about this. Ability to pay in many cases seems to be in doubt. We are talking about hundreds of dollars of unexpected costs for some backers that they need to find in a limited period of time.
I don't give a second to the doom mongers but there is genuine shock at these costs. PR wise it's a major issue until fully resolved. The longer it drags the more damage will be done.
The important thing to remember is that this issue happened on the Friday afternoon of a holiday weekend. There was no chance that anything was going to happen before Monday. Possibly Tuesday. It is not a bad look for Catalyst or doing any actual damage because zero business days have passed so far.
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Second, we should have had estimated shipping calculations up front. We know the dimensions and weight of an Inner Sphere Lance pack. The length and weight of a neoprene map and many other items in this Kickstarter. If I would have seen something even close to my shipping numbers up front, it would have changed the way I pledged. I didn't have that choice.
Unfortunately it's the 2020s. Shipping prices change so fast that any estimate will be optimism or a lie that far out. Shipping as part of the pledge disappeared around 2015 or so.
Based on how consistent the 30% is, I'd guess that some (non-cgl/qml) corporate twit with a nice haircut is trying to take advantage of how far into the campaign we are to gouge us. Which would have come as a surprise even if they had given us an estimate, as no shipping company is going to honor an estimate with that kind of lead time
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Honestly, when the shipping charges started to be posted, the first thought in my brain was why haven't I received my shipping charges yet? Did they forget about me?? Where's My SHIPPING CHARGES???
Then I got my shipping charges. I'd pledged for a Regiment, another Merc box (Gotta have the KS exclusive and the standard boxes!) and the Strikers pack. That's $610. They have me down for $148.22 for shipping and taxes. I live in Alabama, so no shipping tax here either. Luckily, I've put back $100 just to pay for shipping, so the extra $48 doesn't hurt too bad. Hopefully, this is indeed just a mix up on the shipper's part and the costs will go down for everyone.
I have nothing but respect for CGL for the way they've run the campaign so far. They've done their best to be up front and transparent through the entire process. Sure, many folks are worried, but I think the loudest voices are from the people looking for a reason to be mad and indignant about something. Heck, there were people complaining about the pledges before the campaign was over! I'm taking a wait and see position to see what CGL can find out. I honestly feel that CGL will find a way to make this right for the backers. As others have said, take a deep calming breath and have a little patience.
Have fun gaming, guys and gals. Peace of Blake be upon you all!
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Over $100 US to ship my order, pretty lousy for $400 of product. I think the last Kickstarter it was $50 and I had 2 separate pledges.
In my case its annoying, but not a deal breaker. This really sucks for people on a tight budget.
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Couple of things.
1) CGL should have seen the problem when they got these. Seems they only did when people complained.
2) We need to remember last kickstarter prices were locked in before Covid. So what you paid last time isn't relevant in todays world.
3) CGL should have at some point let people know shipping prices were going to be much higher because it is the right thing to do. There words "While we knew going with a higher quality shipper would be pricier, we did not know it would be to this level for some of you. " They should of comunicated that with backers when they decided to go with a pricer option long ago
4) How are they going with a pricer shipper when they are still using Quartermaster? Really something doesn't add up because CGL hasn't taken the time to explain it. It might make perfect sense but CGL and comunication don't seem to go well together
5) Backers have to take some responsibility too. It is a huge red flag to not know shipping amounts and to blindly spend large amounts of money with that red flag with a company that has had problems with every single Kickstarter they have done is risky.
I don't know what happens in the end. It is wild for sure and hopefully it gets worked out let people complain if they need to. Some people just can't afford these high shipping numbers and it isn't fair to them to tell them to hold it all in on something CGL should have realized before they oked the numbers to be added to everyones accounts.
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5) Backers have to take some responsibility too. It is a huge red flag to not know shipping amounts and to blindly spend large amounts of money with that red flag with a company that has had problems with every single Kickstarter they have done is risky.
How many Kickstarters has CGL done? I only know of the Clan Invasion Kickstarter and they delivered. The Leviathans one is still within its margin of error for timing. Late or failed Kickstarters are the norm. So far, Catalyst has done much better than the average Kickstarter.
As for the shipping rates, Catalyst didn't know about the magnitude of the problem until just before the holiday weekend. They have not had time to sit down with the shipper to resolve the issues.
Have a little patience, this will be resolved within the week.
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So there is at least 1 error
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Aries is a real level-headed dude and I do agree that we should see what CGL comes back with. I also agree with people who've said that CGL should have been ahead of this and realized there was going to be a problem. This is just another example that makes them look so amateurish despite the success and quality of products they've delivered. It feels like Battletech continues to thrive despite CGL.
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Aries is a real level-headed dude and I do agree that we should see what CGL comes back with. I also agree with people who've said that CGL should have been ahead of this and realized there was going to be a problem. This is just another example that makes them look so amateurish despite the success and quality of products they've delivered. It feels like Battletech continues to thrive despite CGL.
The game has literally thrived, in part, due to CGL. The Clan Invasion Kickstarter, and sourcebooks, have all played major roles in revitalizing the game. PGI's Mechwarrior Online / Mechwarrior 5, people like The Black Pants Legion, and HBS Battletech, have all played major roles in this as well. GW shedding a degree of players (that they immediately made up for, to be clear, their sales are still gigantic) also played a role too.
I think too many people think CGL is some massive company.
The shipping's screwed and no one noticed. I can guess why, because it's not hard, because I've worked for businesses in this kind of position before.
Their logistics team didn't catch it- because they don't have a logistics team. They hired a company to do this for them. If I were a betting man, I'd suspect they *trusted* that company too, which, surprise surprise, resulted into blind-walking into this sort of issue.
They are dependent on 3PL's because CGL isn't a giant company. It's big, for a non GW / WOTC games company in the current age. But most tabletop games companies are not huge operations with tons of people at this point.
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How many Kickstarters has CGL done? I only know of the Clan Invasion Kickstarter and they delivered. The Leviathans one is still within its margin of error for timing. Late or failed Kickstarters are the norm. So far, Catalyst has done much better than the average Kickstarter.
As for the shipping rates, Catalyst didn't know about the magnitude of the problem until just before the holiday weekend. They have not had time to sit down with the shipper to resolve the issues.
Have a little patience, this will be resolved within the week.
Aside from Clan Invasion Catalyst have fulfilled:
The Duke
Shadowrun: Sprawl Ops
Super Camelot (this one took two attempts, they launched the first early by accident)
Centurion.
Shadowun: Edgezone
As well as Mercenaries, the following are in some stage of completion:
Leviathans
Overlords in Training
Shadowrun Takedown
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I think too many people think CGL is some massive company.
We know they're not a big company, they can't possibly remind us more that they're not a big company and it's used as an excuse for an awful lot. That's why I say they look amateurish.
I'm excited for my Mercs stuff, I'm very happy with the game is. I'll end up dealing with a stupid shipping charge and getting over it, but CGL's not above critique.
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How many Kickstarters has CGL done? I only know of the Clan Invasion Kickstarter and they delivered. The Leviathans one is still within its margin of error for timing. Late or failed Kickstarters are the norm. So far, Catalyst has done much better than the average Kickstarter.
As for the shipping rates, Catalyst didn't know about the magnitude of the problem until just before the holiday weekend. They have not had time to sit down with the shipper to resolve the issues.
Have a little patience, this will be resolved within the week.
CGL Has done like 10 kickstarters. And the Clan Invasion Kickstarter still has outstanding items to this day.. Cataylst kickstarters having issues is like Water being wet. You can count on it.
AS to CGL not knowing abou thte magnitude of the problem. Sorry no. It is litterally there job to know before they authrize them charges..
I am ready to pay mine. I am just saying I undertand peoples problems
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So there is at least 1 error
We don't know that yet. He said it is most likely something like that. Which would make a lot of sense
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AS to CGL not knowing abou thte magnitude of the problem. Sorry no. It is litterally there job to know before they authrize them charges..
How quickly would it take to have a person review every single entry of the Kickstarter? Even assuming they don't make a mistake (by which, it was a human error, if any, which led to this), and corrected everything, how much time would that burn?
I'm near the 13,000th person to enter the Kickstarter, and I pledged within the first 24 hours.
I've run code and similar parses for this in other areas with much smaller numbers. Even with a computer running a batch process, mistakes happen, either from initial entry (as someone said, someone ordered a "100 pound" Blood Asp salvage box), in the shipping calculations on the other end, i.e. the one actually processing the shipping slipped up on their numbers, or in the information being fed to the shipper.
For a comparison (and I know his won't work outside the States very well), I did a similar run up with Aries Minis and checked what their shipping costs would have been. The Kickstarter shipping was about a 50% difference above the most basic and slow USPS shipping, and it was missing the Salvage boxes, big Timber Wolf, and other swag.
International shipping is far more complicated, particularly with VAT, customs, and current water-born issues in general being involved.
They said they'd look in to it, and I'll give them enough time to work it through. At the earliest, the shipping address needs to be confirmed by this coming Friday, I can easily wait till then for word on that. It's not like doing all this right now, today, will get it to us any day earlier.
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How quickly would it take to have a person review every single entry of the Kickstarter? Even assuming they don't make a mistake (by which, it was a human error, if any, which led to this), and corrected everything, how much time would that burn?
I'm near the 13,000th person to enter the Kickstarter, and I pledged within the first 24 hours.
I've run code and similar parses for this in other areas with much smaller numbers. Even with a computer running a batch process, mistakes happen, either from initial entry (as someone said, someone ordered a "100 pound" Blood Asp salvage box), in the shipping calculations on the other end, i.e. the one actually processing the shipping slipped up on their numbers, or in the information being fed to the shipper.
For a comparison (and I know his won't work outside the States very well), I did a similar run up with Aries Minis and checked what their shipping costs would have been. The Kickstarter shipping was about a 50% difference above the most basic and slow USPS shipping, and it was missing the Salvage boxes, big Timber Wolf, and other swag.
International shipping is far more complicated, particularly with VAT, customs, and current water-born issues in general being involved.
They said they'd look in to it, and I'll give them enough time to work it through. At the earliest, the shipping address needs to be confirmed by this coming Friday, I can easily wait till then for word on that. It's not like doing all this right now, today, will get it to us any day earlier.
Doesn't matter how long it takes them? Backers paid them to get it right not for them to throw crap at the fan and hope it is right. As large as this problem is it seems if they did spot checking they would have realized there was a problem. Two possiablities the prices are right they know it and are playing a game ( I doubt) More likely is they didn't take the time to do there job at all because they were not worried if backers shipping was right or wrong.
I am going to say this CGL is no longer a little company guys. They are a multi million dollar company. It is time to treat them like one and have the same expecations we would have of other multi million dollar companies. If they are not hiring people in the right places to catch or deal with these things that allow deserves its fair shair of critism.
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How quickly would it take to have a person review every single entry of the Kickstarter? Even assuming they don't make a mistake (by which, it was a human error, if any, which led to this), and corrected everything, how much time would that burn?
I'm near the 13,000th person to enter the Kickstarter, and I pledged within the first 24 hours.
23,654 backers pledged to the KS. there isn't any info on late backers who came in via the backerkit, but odds are there a fair few of those.
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Doesn't matter how long it takes them? Backers paid them to get it right not for them to throw crap at the fan and hope it is right. As large as this problem is it seems if they did spot checking they would have realized there was a problem. Two possiablities the prices are right they know it and are playing a game ( I doubt) More likely is they didn't take the time to do there job at all because they were not worried if backers shipping was right or wrong.
I am going to say this CGL is no longer a little company guys. They are a multi million dollar company. It is time to treat them like one and have the same expecations we would have of other multi million dollar companies. If they are not hiring people in the right places to catch or deal with these things that allow deserves its fair shair of critism.
They still have a small staff. And again, this is still a holiday weekend. They need to talk to the shipping company about this and I guarantee you there's nobody in that office right now.
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They still have a small staff. And again, this is still a holiday weekend. They need to talk to the shipping company about this and I guarantee you there's nobody in that office right now.
Who decided to do this on a holiday weekend? CGL. Who has decided to stay with a small staff? CGL Who decided not to look at the shipping numbers till the holiday weekend after they charged people CGL.
What I am saying is it is time to stop pretending CGL is a small company. If they still have a small staff that is by choice at this point. They are no longer a small company they have worked really hard to become a bigger company. But they have to take the good with the Bad. And the fact is it is time for fans to stop pretending they are a small company.
And honestly I am not even upset I did a small order because the no shipping amount was a red flag. But I think it is silly the amount of people getting on to people who are upset. You know what it was a Holiday weekend for those people too. And because CGL didn't do what they should do now after a year of excitement they are wondering if they can even afford what they bought on a holiday weekend. Again CGL decided to do all this on a Holiday weekend so that is on CGL. Those people have a right to be upset and honestly I think the upset people have been pretty fair about things.
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MOD NOTE
Locked for a cool off and Moderator review.
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MOD NOTICE
The moderator team understands and shares the frustration regarding the current Kickstarter shipping costs. We are in the same boat as everyone else since we are seeing the same sorts of numbers for our own pledges.
That being said, there are far more questions than answers right now. We do not know if these totals are final. If there is an error, we do not know where it originated from or how it altered the estimates. If there is not an error, we do not know why the totals are so high or what CGL can do about them.
This thread is being reopened to facilitate discussion and provide a place to justifiably vent frustration. In moving forward with this discussion, though, please refrain from quoting and/or sharing unfounded accusations or rumors. This is not a place for conspiracy theories about who knew what and when, or why the process has taken the turn that it has.
Additionally, once you have spoken your mind, please move on and let others do the same. We get it, a lot of you are angry. That's fair. Repeating those frustrations over and over will not help the situation, though. It won't get us answers any faster.
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Man, the conpletionist in me wants extras of the new Strikers set now to make the notable units of Clan Spaniel. :laugh:
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Honestly, when the shipping charges started to be posted, the first thought in my brain was why haven't I received my shipping charges yet? Did they forget about me?? Where's My SHIPPING CHARGES???
Then I got my shipping charges. I'd pledged for a Regiment, another Merc box (Gotta have the KS exclusive and the standard boxes!) and the Strikers pack. That's $610. They have me down for $148.22 for shipping and taxes. I live in Alabama, so no shipping tax here either. Luckily, I've put back $100 just to pay for shipping, so the extra $48 doesn't hurt too bad. Hopefully, this is indeed just a mix up on the shipper's part and the costs will go down for everyone.
I have nothing but respect for CGL for the way they've run the campaign so far. They've done their best to be up front and transparent through the entire process. Sure, many folks are worried, but I think the loudest voices are from the people looking for a reason to be mad and indignant about something. Heck, there were people complaining about the pledges before the campaign was over! I'm taking a wait and see position to see what CGL can find out. I honestly feel that CGL will find a way to make this right for the backers. As others have said, take a deep calming breath and have a little patience.
Have fun gaming, guys and gals. Peace of Blake be upon you all!
I live in Alabama too. I picked up a similar order, plus the universe book and novels and low weight items like dice and trays--$1017 vs your $610. $342 shipping, plus tax on shipping. I'm paying $200+ more on shipping for $400 more of product. I wouldn't mind sharing my order to see which item or items wins the sucker punch.
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I gotta say, when my shipping costs are high enough that it'd be cheaper to drive out to wherever their distribution center is, pick up my order and then drive home, they seriously ****** up.
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Just to get the numbers out there:
Pledged Regiment and had $180 in upgrades, so total amount was $680.00 (used up my complimentary credits from the Clan Invasion KS, thank you CGL).
Shipping total came out to $257.90 to ship to northern California, including state tax shipping of $18.70 which isn't a thing here.
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Just to get the numbers out there:
Pledged Regiment and had $180 in upgrades, so total amount was $680.00 (used up my complimentary credits from the Clan Invasion KS, thank you CGL).
Shipping total came out to $257.90 to ship to northern California, including state tax shipping of $18.70 which isn't a thing here.
Yeah, I got some shipping tax which isn't a thing here in Arizona, either. Mine isn't nearly that high, probably because my pledge amount was much much smaller.
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Tax being applied to everyone/everything even when it shouldn't be seems to be a seperate issue that needs looked into on top of the actual shipping fees.
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Tax being applied to everyone/everything even when it shouldn't be seems to be a seperate issue that needs looked into on top of the actual shipping fees.
one of the reasons why i figure the current shipping cost listings have to have been done wrong. because they seem to have applied the same formula's for S&H and taxes to almost everyone
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So I've taken people who've listed both their purchases and their shipping (but have not included taxes) and averaged the shipping. Right now, I'm seeing about 31%. That's in line with what people are saying of 30 to 33%. Of course, I'm in Canada, so I'm on the hook for 43% !!?!%1! :huh: I hope something is done to reduce this. I'm not going to throw a fit, but if it turns out that it's 'the cost of doing business,' that's going to make me have to think hard about future kickstarters. Maybe I just wait and buy retail through my local store?
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one of the reasons why i figure the current shipping cost listings have to have been done wrong. because they seem to have applied the same formula's for S&H and taxes to almost everyone
This is my reasoning, too. It is a blinking neon sign that these numbers can't possibly be correct, because they violate tax rules, which is a bad thing. Therefore, I'm not getting worked up over the number.
That said, the PR/damage control here has not been good. Update #83 really needed to only say that CGL was aware of reports of high shipping numbers and that CGL was looking into solving the issue, but that the holiday weekend was going to make it hard to get an immediate response, and then have a specific time given for an Update #84, specifically today or tomorrow. Keeping the discussion to the point with only concrete relevant facts and a definite timeline for an update with more information does a lot to keep people calm and stem misinformation. The whole of paragraphs three and four should have been cut, as it has a bunch of speculation and no facts that resolve the issue and only adds fuel to people's worry.
I don't want to be too critical here as crisis communication isn't easy even when you are prepped and trained for it, but it is frustrating seeing mud getting slung at CGL.
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I'm not going to throw a fit, but if it turns out that it's 'the cost of doing business,' that's going to make me have to think hard about future kickstarters. Maybe I just wait and buy retail through my local store?
For a comparison point, I recently ordered assorted gaming stuff from a (semi-local) store, because I didn't have time to get out there in person. Tracked package shipping cost of $25 on an order of about $100. Canada Post then promptly lost the package.
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That's a solid response. It acknowledges customer concerns, shows they're aware that there is a problem, gives the steps they're taking, and provides a time frame for answers.
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For a comparison point, I recently ordered assorted gaming stuff from a (semi-local) store, because I didn't have time to get out there in person. Tracked package shipping cost of $25 on an order of about $100. Canada Post then promptly lost the package.
Dang, screwed either way you go!
But as the guy you quoted said, if this is the new normal for kickstarter shipments, I'll wait till retail in the future, count me out. Fortunately CGL did say they didn't need KS anymore to keep the plastic moving, so perhaps it has served it's purpose.
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Was QML used for the last KS fulfillment?
If not, I think we have the answer to where the problem is.
Sometimes when you try a new group, new problems arise that you would be unaware of before implementation, particularly if the salesmen promise something that the rest of the company cannot deliver (I've had that SO many times when in tech support).
Still, patience is a virtue, and they have the rest of the week to provide an answer. Hopefully it will be in the next news broadcast.
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Was QML used for the last KS fulfillment?
They were.
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Retail is something of a problem seemingly, for them as not in the states; certainly, it wasn't easy to get hold of the boxed sets last time around in the UK (I imagine it will only get harder). But at this point, I suppose it don't matter, as I am unlikely in the immediate future... (Or possibly ever.) To be getting any more toys (BT or otherwise) anyway.
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I went the cheap-o way and only made the $150 pledge. My shipping is $38, with $9 tax and another $2 for tax on shipping. That last charge irks me more than the rest of it, honestly. I'm not happy with the total, especially since I live in Florida, but it's not life altering enough for me to make a stink. I expect that CGL leadership will do their best to address it all. Whether the outcome is something that they can even affect remains to be seen. Either way, I recognize this as the fault of the shipping company, not CGL.
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QML has delivered several Kickstarter projects I backed, never had any problems before. I anticipate this issue to be resolved quickly. Whether they accidentally put us all at 2 day shipping, confused ounces for kilos, thought the 4" tall Timber Wolf was 4' tall, whatever it is I don't for a second believe QML or CGL is looking for a quick payday that would destroy their business and probably violate several laws before hopping on a plane to South America.
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QML has delivered several Kickstarter projects I backed, never had any problems before. I anticipate this issue to be resolved quickly. Whether they accidentally put us all at 2 day shipping, confused ounces for kilos, thought the 4" tall Timber Wolf was 4' tall, whatever it is I don't for a second believe QML or CGL is looking for a quick payday that would destroy their business and probably violate several laws before hopping on a plane to South America.
I might willingly pay 30% shipping for a four foot Timber Wolf.
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Maybe this is a dumb question, but ... I bought in after the Kickstarter was live ... my Backerkit does not have anything attached to it for Mercenaries ... anyone know if I get a separate email regarding this? I have been receiving the updates, but nothing regarding shipping ...
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The meeting should be happening around now. Lets hope for a positive resolution.
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Are you looking at Clan Invasion on backer kit? The two campaigns are separate on Backerkit.
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Weighing in on the shipping charges thing. While I am being patient and hoping this gets resolved, I'm kind of disappointed with the shipping charges, though it's smaller than a lot of people here. I'm one of those in a tight spot financially at the moment.
I have no idea what they used to calculate shipping and tax. For Maryland, they can tax handling if it gets separated but not shipping and apparently that's where I'm seeing the tax on my list. I did a quick calculation with UPS ground (Orlando where QML is to MD) using what I ordered and a box I got from the Clan KS that I still own. The box is maybe larger than what would be needed. Also did a rough estimate on weight. 9 force packs, the Merc box, the Timber Wolf, some salvage boxes, and dice are not that heavy. My shipping is $56 (includes the tax). If I go by UPS ground, it's only $37 or so. The real charges might be cheaper than that.
I wish I knew who they were using to ship our KS orders. These sound like 2-Day Air/special delivery options instead of slower, cheaper rates.
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I live in Europe so I was expecting this to cost something but still. 93 dollars shipping, 17 shipping VAT and another 113 VAT on a 589 dollar pledge. Like really? Plus I'll probably have to deal with customs when it arrives, unless they send it through a warehouse in the EU or something, like Amazon does.
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This is good news.
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The post in question:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cgl/battletech-mercenaries/posts/4067683
TL;DR: Shipping charges were subject to a number of anomalies, included things they shouldn't have included, and are being reevaluated.
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So...what are we supposed to blow up and panic about now? Do we revert to the years-long delay in getting IlClan out? Or do we have to go all the way back to "WizKids put 'Mechs on click dials, BattleTech is doomed?"
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So...what are we supposed to blow up and panic about now? Do we revert to the years-long delay in getting IlClan out? Or do we have to go all the way back to "WizKids put 'Mechs on click dials, BattleTech is doomed?"
Oh, don't worry. Rest assured that people can still complain.
There's one on the kickstarter that has complained that they'll pay if their shipping is cut in half. I mean, good luck. I'll take any reduction, thank you.
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Are they making a mistake about the Savannahs Map Pack when they say all Veteran backers and up are getting that for free? Looking at the main Mercenaries KS page it seems to show this as being free for Battalion backers and up.
DW
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So...what are we supposed to blow up and panic about now? Do we revert to the years-long delay in getting IlClan out? Or do we have to go all the way back to "WizKids put 'Mechs on click dials, BattleTech is doomed?"
I was getting up a good head of steam about the 4th Succession War ruining BattleTech if you want in on it.
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I believe the Kickstarter update has an error that makes it a little confusing. They say that the Savannah Battlemat was incorrectly sized with the dimensions of a BFM, and that since all Veteran+ backers are getting "the free Battlemat with their order," this affects a lot of backers.
Unless I missed something, that's not true. There is no free Battlemat for Veteran+ backers, right? The only Savannah thing included free for some backers is the Savannah Map Pack, but that's for Battalion+, not Veteran+. So it's unclear if 1) it's actually the Battlemat or the Map Pack that was mis-dimensioned, and 2) how many backers this actually affects.
Regardless, good news that the current charges include handling and fees that will get taken out.
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Yeah, seems to be some more confusion. The KS Update refers to Battlemat though in the TuesdayNewsday they said Map Pack. Neither of which goes to Veteran backers and up free.
DW
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Yeah, seems to be some more confusion. The KS Update refers to Battlemat though in the TuesdayNewsday they said Map Pack. Neither of which goes to Veteran backers and up free.
DW
She corrected herself in the livestream just prior to the Q&A
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I was getting up a good head of steam about the 4th Succession War ruining BattleTech if you want in on it.
Preach, brother! Preach! 😆 😆 😆
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Wait-
We get a free Battlemat?
That's pretty cool!
I REALLY need to go back and read some this stuff.
Back when this all happened I was crazy busy.
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Catalyst added the following to the comments for Update #85:
Small amendment to the update: "Because this affects all Veteran and above backers, QML needs to re-work the entire shipping upload, which will take some time." This is meant to be Battalion Tier.
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Wait-
We get a free Battlemat?
That's pretty cool!
I REALLY need to go back and read some this stuff.
Back when this all happened I was crazy busy.
In the Livestream Rem made it clear she was talking about Map Pack: Savannah, she was probably trying to get the Kickstarter update out as fast as possible and accidently put in Battlemat by mistake, and Kickstarter doesn't let creators modify updates so the typo stays.
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Thanks CGL for the transparency and for getting this sorted as quickly as you did.
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150 is a MUCH more reasonable shipping total than 400 and I appreciate the relatively quick correction. Unfortunate that it happened over a weekend where it couldn't get addressed imedeatly, but aside from that limitation this is quite speedy. Minor bumps are to be expected in any sufficently complex endeavour and I'm glad that's what this turned into, a massive shipping charge at this point would have left a sour taste in my mouth and changed my likihood to engage with future Kickstarters. But that is not the way it went, so I'm pretty happy.
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I was getting up a good head of steam about the 4th Succession War ruining BattleTech if you want in on it.
Mechwarrior combat shorts:
Threat or Menace?
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Are you looking at Clan Invasion on backer kit? The two campaigns are separate on Backerkit.
Okay ... semantics are a killer ... found it under "Surveys." Paid the $32 on the $166 order and hopefully all will end well ... thank you for the prompt ...
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As problems go, considering the weekend, this was a fast response. Glad to see it. I will say I'm much more aware of the realities surrounding Kickstarter shipping costs and challenges now, and will prepare more cushion room in future budgeting. I'm very appreciative of Catalyst's efforts to expedite a response.
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As problems go, considering the weekend, this was a fast response. Glad to see it. I will say I'm much more aware of the realities surrounding Kickstarter shipping costs and challenges now, and will prepare more cushion room in future budgeting. I'm very appreciative of Catalyst's efforts to expedite a response.
When they said a total of 2.6 million dollars to ship the KS around everywhere I was blown away.
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When they said a total of 2.6 million dollars to ship the KS around everywhere I was blown away.
That number does not surprise me even a little.
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So...what are we supposed to blow up and panic about now? Do we revert to the years-long delay in getting IlClan out? Or do we have to go all the way back to "WizKids put 'Mechs on click dials, BattleTech is doomed?"
Heh...Let's just say I am really glad here is so much less toxic than the festering corpse that once was Twitter...
But, how about: "Let's not get outraged. Let TPTB do their stuff...and, hey..what if I need to change my CC on record to have enough money on it when these get fixed? They aren't still starting charging on April 5, are they?"
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If you can’t get the Hatamoto-chi, remember, you can achieve the same results by hollowing out a Charger and cramming two Panthers inside. Add fancy hat to taste.
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If you can’t get the Hatamoto-chi, remember, you can achieve the same results by hollowing out a Charger and cramming two Panthers inside. Add fancy hat to taste.
Or just use a Thug.
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Well lets truly hope the shipping get sorted out and fixed for everyone. 25% to 30% of shipping charges are a little to high. Mine just came in at $150 lets hope mine is a part of the fix.
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I might willingly pay 30% shipping for a four foot Timber Wolf.
Dear Consumer,
While our legal department has advised us not to say too much, we felt that it was only decent to offer our sincere apologies for the mix-up during the preparation of your Kickstarter rewards. Our team are not gamers by nature, and while they understood 'Four Foot Timber Wolf' on the form, they are not familiar with Battletech.
We understand that 'Mr. Cuddles'- the name our warehouse team gave him during his brief (and harrowing) time here at the distribution center- has caused you considerable damage and fright, and we wish to offer you 10% off of a future order through us (restrictions apply, see follow-on e-mail for details) as a gesture of goodwill. We also are hopeful that your children will find therapy to be a rewarding experience, and that they bond with their new cat as easily as they did with the now-deceased Mittens.
With sincere apologies,
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Really happy with the quick response from CGL. Haven't had a chance to watch the livestream yet, but it sounds like it has some useful information.
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Really happy with the quick response from CGL. Haven't had a chance to watch the livestream yet, but it sounds like it has some useful information.
Just watched REM's video from last night and am super pleased with how CGL is handling this.
Has anyone heard anything about when the shipments are expected to start. I saw a comment that said June, but, that seems unlikely at this point if it's going to take a while to sort all this out.
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When they said a total of 2.6 million dollars to ship the KS around everywhere I was blown away.
I was blown away by the fact that they’re absorbing 1.2 million of that cost on themselves.
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Has anyone heard anything about when the shipments are expected to start. I saw a comment that said June, but, that seems unlikely at this point if it's going to take a while to sort all this out.
The stuff is still on a boat for at least a month and a half yet. I'm sure it will be sorted out before the product makes landfall.
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The stuff is still on a boat for at least a month and a half yet. I'm sure it will be sorted out before the product makes landfall.
Anybody heard anything about the 40th anniversary editions? They said March/April, and it looks like they may have trouble making March at this point.
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Anybody heard anything about the 40th anniversary editions? They said March/April, and it looks like they may have trouble making March at this point.
Adepticon weekend it was roughly in the Panama canal. Maybe its in a port by now.
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It's worth remembering that with one of the main Eastern Seaboard ports closed to maritime traffic for a good long while to come still, there's a ripple effect to be felt- even if the ship with the Battletech stock on it isn't bound for Baltimore itself (I wouldn't know), ships that WERE heading there are being rerouted to places like Philadelphia, Boston, Savannah, etc.- and that means delays. So if things slip by a bit, please do keep in mind that some things are simply outside Catalyst's control.
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Adepticon weekend it was roughly in the Panama canal. Maybe its in a port by now.
Wow. That's great news. So maybe June is feasible assuming packing can still go one while the shipping costs are getting cleared up.
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It's worth remembering that with one of the main Eastern Seaboard ports closed to maritime traffic for a good long while to come still, there's a ripple effect to be felt- even if the ship with the Battletech stock on it isn't bound for Baltimore itself (I wouldn't know), ships that WERE heading there are being rerouted to places like Philadelphia, Boston, Savannah, etc.- and that means delays. So if things slip by a bit, please do keep in mind that some things are simply outside Catalyst's control.
After reading some of the whinier comments on the KS, I have no doubt that someone will try and say that CGL intentionally sent it to Baltimore. For my part, I'm grateful for everything CGL is doing and am understanding of the delays.
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Adepticon weekend it was roughly in the Panama canal. Maybe its in a port by now.
It's worth remembering that with one of the main Eastern Seaboard ports closed to maritime traffic for a good long while to come still, there's a ripple effect to be felt
That's more-or-less what I was looking for. Has the stuff actually landed? If not, there will likely be delays. Also, there seems to be a lot of focus on this one ship/shipment. Does that mean the 40th an. printing is a one and done? Or are they going to keep doing reprints with the ilClan supplement? How do I order mine now? :grin:
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I was blown away by the fact that they’re absorbing 1.2 million of that cost on themselves.
They are not absorbing anything. That was always CGL cost and not ours. CGL just miss read the spread sheet and told Backerkit to input the wrong line. It is great they are fixing it but it isn't some sort of goodwill gester were they are eating unexpected cost to them.
There is some irony in a game full of charts and spread sheets that CGL misread the spread sheet.
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Randall said the ship with the 40th stuff should arrive a week after Adepticon, it should have arrived to port several days ago. Probably won't be long now until that stuff makes it to stores.
From my understanding Baltimore isn't on the short list of the largest US ports, and has very little reason to be. Especially if we're talking about consumer goods like anything Catalyst makes. But QML is in Florida, so I would assume our Kickstarter stuff will be headed there if it's routed through the Panama Canal too.
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The stuff is still on a boat for at least a month and a half yet. I'm sure it will be sorted out before the product makes landfall.
Not quite. It doesn't take that long to boat from China these days, even with the Canals and Baltimore Port being closed. It usually takes about 28 days to reach London.
It was on the water during Adepticon, so it's already halfway to QML, at the latest. Once it reaches QML and gets sorted, the only water shipping it might see is if there is a river or similar in the way or you live on an island or in Alaska.
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They've zeroed out my shipping order on backerkit.
Fun stuff!
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Oh, don't worry. Rest assured that people can still complain.
I'm seeing it already. Problem addressed very quickly, and I still see "Yeah, but CGL, but, but, but..." I actually left a Facebook group because of it. I'm done with people like that.
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They've zeroed out my shipping order on backerkit.
Fun stuff!
Just noticed that. Working on the problem, that is a good thing.
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They've zeroed out my shipping order on backerkit.
Fun stuff!
Mine was there earlier today and now has been zeroed out as well :smilie_happy_thumbup:
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They've zero'd my shipping, but the tax calulation is still charging VAT on the whole order even though books are zero-rated for UK VAT. I've fired off a message but I suspect it's buried amongst thousands of others so I'll just work on my patience some more.
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I'm seeing it already. Problem addressed very quickly, and I still see "Yeah, but CGL, but, but, but..." I actually left a Facebook group because of it. I'm done with people like that.
Facebook is the worst place for BattleTech fans, and I'll leave it at that.
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It's worth remembering that with one of the main Eastern Seaboard ports closed to maritime traffic for a good long while to come still, there's a ripple effect to be felt- even if the ship with the Battletech stock on it isn't bound for Baltimore itself (I wouldn't know), ships that WERE heading there are being rerouted to places like Philadelphia, Boston, Savannah, etc.- and that means delays. So if things slip by a bit, please do keep in mind that some things are simply outside Catalyst's control.
Baltimore is already opening back up to smaller ships from what I understand. The main channel is still fubar, the weight of the bridge driving lower portions down into the suction of the muck.
From my understanding Baltimore isn't on the short list of the largest US ports,
One of the top 5 from what I heard. Port of LA of course being the big one.
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Refunds are being issued to those that paid early
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Even though I wasn't really upset at my shipping charge, it is now showing as zeroed out on BackerKit. I am fully satisfied with CGL's response so far.
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113 dollars for taxes ain't too bad from my perspective and the shipping's 0 dollars
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My shipping also zero, and tax at 10% which is Aussie gst standard. Not expecting shipping to Aus to remain zero, though.
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My shipping also zero, and tax at 10% which is Aussie gst standard. Not expecting shipping to Aus to remain zero, though.
Same. Hopefully it ends up the same, or less than we had.
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Oh nice, my shipping got zeroed too. I'm definitely not complaining even if it was less than 40€ to begin with. Can't do much more than complain about the VAT, though, but such is life :cheesy:
//edit: no, I don't expect free shipping :D I just hope it doesn't climb up from what it used to be :D
Facebook is the worst
Gently off topic but I absolutely agree :smiley:
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Folks, shipping will NOT remain at zero. We're reporting that it got zeroed only to show that progress is being made. We WILL be paying for shipping, we're just waiting on the corrected numbers.
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What I expected, so no worries.
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Folks, shipping will NOT remain at zero. We're reporting that it got zeroed only to show that progress is being made. We WILL be paying for shipping, we're just waiting on the corrected numbers.
makes complete sense. you'd think people would understand that without having to be told.
leaving the inaccurate data up on backerkit would just make the situation worse
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I'm just curious to see what it ends up being, my original surprise was that shipping to this corner of EU didn't even crawl up to 50, I'm not used to that :cheesy: And to be clear I'll edit my previous post azn
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makes complete sense. you'd think people would understand that without having to be told.
leaving the inaccurate data up on backerkit would just make the situation worse
As someone who works in hospitality, I can safely say: Things you would think would make sense to people? Generally don't.
"Why is the beach closed? There were only 5 people eaten by sharks on this very stretch of beach yesterday..."
"Why would inaccurate shipping prices be removed until accurate ones can be posted and charged?"
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Facebook is the worst place for BattleTech fans, and I'll leave it at that.
Never heard of YouTube, I take it? :grin:
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Just chiming in to confirm that my shipping has also been zeroed out for now.
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Mine has been zeroed too. Lets see how much it is in the end. Still have about 150$ VAT, but that is another thing.
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Mine has been replaced with that symbol Prince used to use. I'm not really sure what it means. :shocked:
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Mine has been replaced with that symbol Prince used to use. I'm not really sure what it means. :shocked:
Please indicate to customer support which glowing glyph appears to be involved in your Action Ticket:
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Please indicate to customer support which glowing glyph appears to be involved in your Action Ticket:
damnnabbit ... where's the like button when you need one! :smilie_happy_thumbup:
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makes complete sense. you'd think people would understand that without having to be told.
leaving the inaccurate data up on backerkit would just make the situation worse
What I find interesting is that it seems that there were so many who were assuming that it was otherwise.
When people were talking about their shipping being zeroed out, I checked, and confirmed mine, and just assumed that it was clearing the old data in preparation for the new.
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When people were talking about their shipping being zeroed out, I checked, and confirmed mine, and just assumed that it was clearing the old data in preparation for the new.
Stand by for people looking at the new number and complaining it's not zero!
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I figured that if I paid it now when it was 0, I'd be good and wouldn't have to pay more if it went up again
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Never heard of YouTube, I take it? :grin:
I use YouTube daily, but over the last decade+ I have very carefully beaten it to never show me anything related to certain topics. BattleTech is one of those topics.
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I use YouTube daily, but over the last decade+ I have very carefully beaten it to never show me anything related to certain topics. BattleTech is one of those topics.
There are some really good channels (BigRed, BPL, Sven, MechFrog) out there so I don't think you should wholesale abandon Battletech on YouTube. There's quality lore, paint and rules material to be had. Rather, its the handful of noisy, b**chy channels that you want to cull and tell YouTube to never recommend.
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That’s why there is a block channel button on YouTube.
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That’s why there is a block channel button on YouTube.
That actually works for you?
For me it seems to encourage YouTube to show me more channels like the one I just blocked.
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That’s why there is a block channel button on YouTube.
I've blocked a few personalities, they will still show up on a search because the algorithm priorities views and being obnoxious gets you views.
That said, BPL, Mechfrog and others make ignoring the pit stains of the internet easier.
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That actually works for you?
For me it seems to encourage YouTube to show me more channels like the one I just blocked.
Around a week ago I tried to block a channel that I REALLY don't ever want to see
the face of it's creator ever again.
Now instead of it coming up once in a scroll down list it comes up 3 times as well as
several similar channels. :angry:
I don't sign in most of the time because of it.
I'm absolutely convinced that if someone came up with a truly viable alternative
to Youtube that Youtube would catastrophically fail.
Please continue with the regularly scheduled Kickstarter discussion already in progress.
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Please indicate to customer support which glowing glyph appears to be involved in your Action Ticket:
What font is that?
Generally happy with the shipping situation.
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What font is that?
It's the "old ones" writing from Call of Cthulu.
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Is there away I can get a list of the items i purchase for Mercenaries Kickstarter?
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Is there away I can get a list of the items i purchase for Mercenaries Kickstarter?
Log into your backerkit. If you don;t remember it:
https://battletech-mercenaries.backerkit.com/
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New update. Recalculation and reupload could take a few weeks.
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The agenda for today's Tuesday Newsday shows we're getting a Mercenaries shipping update.
EDIT: QML is giving them a new list on Friday. Depending on the time we may not hear any news until Monday. Rem says that's a lot sooner than she thought it would be.
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Said might know by as early as next week.
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There are some really good channels (BigRed, BPL, Sven, MechFrog) out there so I don't think you should wholesale abandon Battletech on YouTube. There's quality lore, paint and rules material to be had. Rather, its the handful of noisy, b**chy channels that you want to cull and tell YouTube to never recommend.
You'll find different strokes are for different folks. I've had some people inform me, that my content made them hate Battletech on Youtube to such a degree that they'd never watch another video again. This person and a handful of others of course, have even more colourful language for me, it's one reason why I mostly lurk, rather than post, on almost any platform. But you'll find that everyone has different tastes, and want different things out of their youtube viewing experiences.
Yea, there are some channels that go negative of course, but even amongst the others, people's individual tastes will determine if that content is something they enjoy- or something that's just not for them.
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Just a quick update, I'm not seeing shipping charges yet. I seem to recall that the fulfilment company was meeting with CGL yesterday, so I do hope that went well.
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Just a quick update, I'm not seeing shipping charges yet. I seem to recall that the fulfilment company was meeting with CGL yesterday, so I do hope that went well.
According to Rem on the last Newsday, QML was sending them updated numbers Friday. Depending on when in the day they got them in and reviewed, update yesterday or on Monday.
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I thought the Kickstarter update indicated it would be more like a couple of weeks before we got any hard information, not just one. No?
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i'm honestly not expecting anything this month. i'll be surprised if it happens next month to be honest, but next month or the one after feels more realistic than this month.
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According to Rem on the last Newsday, QML was sending them updated numbers Friday. Depending on when in the day they got them in and reviewed, update yesterday or on Monday.
I would hope that they take their time reviewing the data.
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i'm honestly not expecting anything this month. i'll be surprised if it happens next month to be honest, but next month or the one after feels more realistic than this month.
Yeah, I'm okay with taking their time, that feels right. But I suspect its going to be at least 2 months before we see shipping.
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I doubt that, it costs Catalyst to leave the stuff in warehouses both in fees and taxes. QML is not getting paid on the job with it sitting there either and it ties up their workforce for project already blocked in on the schedule having BT pushed back.
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its a Catch 22 though, I'm not saying they rushed things last time, but this time it needs to be triple/quadruple checked and that may take time.
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its a Catch 22 though, I'm not saying they rushed things last time, but this time it needs to be triple/quadruple checked and that may take time.
I suspect that is why they're getting the numbers to Catalyst as quickly as they are. Re-running the quotes without the BFM box and explaining their packing method allows for Catalyst to double check them. I suspect that they are converting dimensions for each product into cubic inches and using that to determine how many packages they will need. If so then they need Catalyst to confirm things/find errors. I'm not too worried about this part of it. Between the mistake with the map pack being confused for a BFM, and the handling fees being included when they shouldn't have been. I can see the price being closer to what I expected compared to twice as much.
I also think the quick response is good because it gives Catalyst more time to look into some of the tax issues like some people being charged sales tax when their states don't have one, and VAT issues that people reported.
TLDR: As long as Catalyst takes their time it will all work out. I think they will, so I'm not stressed although I do want my toys lol.
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Of course, we also have to keep in mind that they still have two and a half months to fulfill on time. I really think things are looking great to hit that.
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I think it will be July. Which is still way better than being Wave 2.5
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As long as the shipping charges aren't insane, and packages start arriving within the next few months, I'll be happy.
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As long as the shipping charges aren't insane, and packages start arriving within the next few months, I'll be happy.
And the sooner they arrive the happier we'll be.
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And the sooner they arrive the happier we'll be.
Of course! I was just sticking with the current topic, while also TAGging the thread for myself. :D
I'm not sure what I'm most looking forward to getting from the KS. Maybe the Union DropShip, or Somerset Strikers, or the Clan Direct Fire Star. Or maybe Yet More Dice and a dice tray...
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An extra month is fine with me -- it's not like I don't have enough minis to paint already. (He says, looking guiltily at the pile of sealed boxes next to his workbench.)
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I've long ago reached a point where I have more minis primed than painted. But I bought the UrbanMech Force Pack last week anyway...
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I've long ago reached a point where I have more minis primed than painted. But I bought the UrbanMech Force Pack last week anyway...
I'm jealous that you've even primed that many.
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Backer update #87, posted a couple of hours ago:
Hey there backers!
QML has been busy recalculating shipping charges with correct weights, and for backers that previously did not have shipping charges, your shipping will be estimated in a second wave. We will continue to keep you updated on the progress as we move forward!
For any backers concerned with taxes, we're currently exploring how state/regional taxes affect our campaign bundles and how to better optimize this.
Craig
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An extra month is fine with me -- it's not like I don't have enough minis to paint already. (He says, looking guiltily at the pile of sealed boxes next to his workbench.)
Ehh, I just finished my last batch, and I could definitely use the 28 tanks coming in my order for the Operation Revival campaign started at the beginning of the year.
May through July will Be Von Strang's World in the Periphery, with after that starting the First Wave. I might need/want to do another Trial of Position between that, though. No one is officially a Star Captain (usually run with up to a Binary) or even a Star Commander.
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Rem has just gotten the new shipping date from QML and it doing spot-checks in the CGL Discord. So far only one person outside of the clearly incorrect ones (like Kappas being charged $1) has seen their rates rise and Rem is gonna double-check that. Mine dropped from $190 to $79, for example.
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Mine Dropped from $600.12 to something like $155 I was struggling to process at the time (yay autism) so the exact amount went in and out my head, I just knew it saved me like 400 or more and it was good.
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Mine hasn't been updated as of yet, but I was able to look thru my entire order. Was happy to see the Salvage Boxes that couldn't be selected for my pledge bundle were all input. It looks like they added them in as additional SBs to the main order since the pledge-bundle add-on could not be modified.
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To be clear, no new shipping fees have been added to Backerkit yet. Rem had literally just gotten the file and was going through it live. We passed over our details and she went and found us in the spreadsheet.
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To be clear, no new shipping fees have been added to Backerkit yet. Rem had literally just gotten the file and was going through it live. We passed over our details and she went and found us in the spreadsheet.
Thanks for that clarification, I had just checked my backerkit survey and still say 0 for shipping and was a bit concerned but decided to just give it some time, glad to see that was the correct action.
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The only thing I'm wondering about is the VAT. My country has a 19% VAT, so I've got 113 $ there. Not fun but not an issue. The only thing I'm wondering is, ok so I'm paying this now and then I don't have to deal with it here right? I don't trust the competency of our customs people and I'd hate to pay that VAT twice. I've bought items from outside the EU before and always paid the VAT when I picked up the package.
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Looking forward to seeing my updated fees when the time comes.
Original Fees were $258 shipping on a $690 KS spend. Because I work with shipped products on a daily basis, I know it should be closer to $50-70. Here's hoping my gut is close to the mark.
Cheers!
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During today's Tuesday Newsday stream Rem announced that most Kickstarter product has reached the hubs, its just some of the swag that is still on route.
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During today's Tuesday Newsday stream Rem announced that most Kickstarter product has reached the hubs, its just some of the swag that is still on route.
They also said they currently expect everyone to have the new shipping charges uploaded to their backerkits by the end of the week. Logistics is shooting for shipping to begin by end of May or beginning of June (but that could change, of course).
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What's the time stamp on that, so I can link it for my local Discord groups?
Edit: Found them.
37:38 for the uploads
40:05 for shipping.
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What's the time stamp on that, so I can link it for my local Discord groups?
It's spread between the 37-to-40-minute mark.
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Maybe stupid question, but for any of you that participate in prior kickstarters, does everything come at once (baring issues like things that were delayed in production, etc), or does it come piecemeal? I was expecting one giant box of everything, and am just curious.
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Maybe stupid question, but for any of you that participate in prior kickstarters, does everything come at once (baring issues like things that were delayed in production, etc), or does it come piecemeal? I was expecting one giant box of everything, and am just curious.
One (or more depending on how much stuff) box with everything.
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I wouldn’t want to be delivering to one of the Big Kappas if it all came in one box :shocked:
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One (or more depending on how much stuff) box with everything.
Thanks
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Maybe stupid question, but for any of you that participate in prior kickstarters, does everything come at once (baring issues like things that were delayed in production, etc), or does it come piecemeal? I was expecting one giant box of everything, and am just curious.
Last time product was shipped in 2 distinct waves, which turned out to be the second biggest mistake Catalyst made with the Kickstarter. This time everything is being shipped at the same time. Depending on how much stuff you have coming it might be broken up into multiple boxes.
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I actually didn't mind the two waves. I got one load, and had stuff to work on while waiting for the second load to arrive. It did annoy a friend who'd elected to wait & get it all at once (in the 2nd shipment), watching me enjoy my stuff :)
But this time I'm totally happy to get everything at the same time.
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I actually didn't mind the two waves. I got one load, and had stuff to work on while waiting for the second load to arrive. It did annoy a friend who'd elected to wait & get it all at once (in the 2nd shipment), watching me enjoy my stuff :)
But this time I'm totally happy to get everything at the same time.
Yeah, the real issue with the two-wave system was global events that were well beyond the scope of anything Catalyst could have reasonably accounted for.
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At this rate, unforeseeable global events are gonna be something businesses are gonna have to foresee. I don't envy them, aside from maybe the ones that decided to be proactive about it all and just go the supervillain route.
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Last time product was shipped in 2 distinct waves, which turned out to be the second biggest mistake Catalyst made with the Kickstarter. This time everything is being shipped at the same time. Depending on how much stuff you have coming it might be broken up into multiple boxes.
The second wave wasn't the problem last time. CGL giving a due date that was earlier than what it should of is the problem. Ironicly if they had given the due date based on the packs and rules on how long it would take with the extra packs open it started delivering more or less on time. But CGL has a habit of unforced errors. I am happy they didn't do that with delivery time this kickstarter.
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I hope not 2 waves....I was in the 3rd wave of a 2 wave product.
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I actually didn't mind the two waves. I got one load, and had stuff to work on while waiting for the second load to arrive. It did annoy a friend who'd elected to wait & get it all at once (in the 2nd shipment), watching me enjoy my stuff :)
But this time I'm totally happy to get everything at the same time.
I feel exactly the same. After the first wave, I was able to paint up a few things and get my mind around all the new stuff in the second wave. Truth is I still have like 50-60 mechs to paint from the Clan KS. Now my pile of shame will grow. :evil:
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Backer's didn't have problems with the multiple waves, but Catalyst staff have talked about the behind the scenes issues they caused being the second largest problem with that campaign, only behind overselling Canon characters.
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It can also increase shipping costs, too, depending on the shipper, etc.
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Ecstatic to hear all of the force packs and paper products are state side already, according to Tuesday Newsday. Only waiting for swag options like dice and patches to arrive.
Things should be ready to fulfill on time once the payment issues are resolved.
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Ecstatic to hear all of the force packs and paper products are state side already, according to Tuesday Newsday. Only waiting for swag options like dice and patches to arrive.
Things should be ready to fulfill on time once the payment issues are resolved.
Really happy to see how Catalyst is handling all of this!
Has anyone heard of an estimated U.S. shipping window?
I'm moving in July and trying to decide whether to give my original address or change it to a buddy's to the State I am moving to.
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Really happy to see how Catalyst is handling all of this!
Has anyone heard of an estimated U.S. shipping window?
I'm moving in July and trying to decide whether to give my original address or change it to a buddy's to the State I am moving to.
Rem said QML still expecting shipping to start end May start of June.
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Has anyone heard of an estimated U.S. shipping window?
I'm moving in July and trying to decide whether to give my original address or change it to a buddy's to the State I am moving to.
Just a bit up in the last Tuesday news
They also said they currently expect everyone to have the new shipping charges uploaded to their backerkits by the end of the week. Logistics is shooting for shipping to begin by end of May or beginning of June (but that could change, of course).
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Rem said QML still expecting end May start of June.
That's the predicted start of shipping. With how many backers there are, it's going to take some time to get all the shipping completed.
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Let alone international shipping. We live in hope :)
BTW, anyone seen their shipping appear?
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Not yet.
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Checked mine this afternoon and it’s still zeroed out.
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The question then becomes: How long will we have to pay the shipping ???
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The question then becomes: How long will we have to pay the shipping ???
We don't know yet. Under the original plan/Update 81 sent March 26th they indicated addresses would lock at April 5th and at some shortly stage after that we'd be be able to pay up until April 12th 12am ET when the pledge manger would lock, so about a week or so. But things have changed so no idea if there will be a similar or longer period now.
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Still nothing on my end. Im sure once its more right than wrong than before, I would guess a couple of weeks.
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Ahead of Mercenaries shipping, I was planning to pick up copies of the 40th anniversary boxes, but I haven't seen hide nor hair of them, yet! They originally said March/April, but are fast running out of April. There was a hint in one of the streams that they'd have them for Origins in June, but I haven't heard any updates otherwise. Anyone heard any news?
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Ahead of Merecenaries shipping, I was planning to pick up copies of the 40th anniversary boxes, but I haven't seen hide nor hair of them, yet! They originally said March/April, but are fast running out of April. There was a hint in one of the streams that they'd have them for Origins in June, but I haven't heard any updates otherwise. Anyone heard any news?
On the April 16th news stream Rem said that they had just arrived in the warehouse and where being processed. During this weeks stream it was mentioned that they have now made it to distributors and the hold up is Catalyst setting a release date so they arrive at most retailers at the same time.
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Ahead of Merecenaries shipping, I was planning to pick up copies of the 40th anniversary boxes, but I haven't seen hide nor hair of them, yet! They originally said March/April, but are fast running out of April. There was a hint in one of the streams that they'd have them for Origins in June, but I haven't heard any updates otherwise. Anyone heard any news?
Just what was mentioned in last week's Tuesday Newsday (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=84184.msg2004535#msg2004535) (i.e., they've reached the warehouse and are being processed).
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Thx!
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Let alone international shipping. We live in hope :)
BTW, anyone seen their shipping appear?
not yet, just checked 1900, 25 April ... all quiet on the front.
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Just what was mentioned in last week's Tuesday Newsday (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=84184.msg2004535#msg2004535) (i.e., they've reached the warehouse and are being processed).
If the world shipping wasn't such a cluster right now. We would have all the product months ago.
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There will always be a cluster
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There will always be a cluster
Nicholas Kerensky, The Remembrance, Stanza 13, Line 24
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Nicholas Kerensky, The Remembrance, Stanza 13, Line 24
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We don't know yet. Under the original plan/Update 81 sent March 26th they indicated addresses would lock at April 5th and at some shortly stage after that we'd be be able to pay up until April 12th 12am ET when the pledge manger would lock, so about a week or so. But things have changed so no idea if there will be a similar or longer period now.
To clarify a bit further, in Update 85 (where they explained what went wrong), they removed the April 12th deadline completely: "Finally, the April 12th deadline is removed. We will take as long as it needs to fix all issues."
There won't be a new payment deadline until they've fixed all the shipping issues, which will presumably be communicated via a Kickstarter update.
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Have they said how long the deadline will be after the shipping figures are out there - my reason for asking is I'm on holiday from Monday for almost 3 weeks and don't want to have issues because a deadline has been and gone.
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Have they said how long the deadline will be after the shipping figures are out there - my reason for asking is I'm on holiday from Monday for almost 3 weeks and don't want to have issues because a deadline has been and gone.
No word on how when the deadline will be.
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Have they said how long the deadline will be after the shipping figures are out there - my reason for asking is I'm on holiday from Monday for almost 3 weeks and don't want to have issues because a deadline has been and gone.
I think the plan was to have the shipping costs up by the weekend, but if that doesn't happen you might want to check on it a couple of times over those 3 weeks, as I could see the shipping window being less than 3 weeks given how close to the hopeful shipping date we are.
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Yeah, if this weekend's push is good, they'll probably give 2 weeks for the billing submission, at the least.
If it isn't good, then expect it to be pushed accordingly.
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Given that for a crowdfunding campaign it should never be open for less than two months, they should at least keep it open until QML starts to literally ship. Now's not the time to do another bad job.
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Leaving it open that long could easily create issues with shipping.
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I hope they haven’t run into anymore issues and this is just the amount of workload required.
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I think the plan was to have the shipping costs up by the weekend, but if that doesn't happen you might want to check on it a couple of times over those 3 weeks, as I could see the shipping window being less than 3 weeks given how close to the hopeful shipping date we are.
It will take Backerkit some time to get the data in. They might have send final numbers to them on Friday, doesn't mean they will show up before Wednesday.
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I can request a survey from BackerKit and it gives me the option to pay. Anyone happen to know if I pay, would that get me into the Kickstarter and guarantee me the items?
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I can request a survey from BackerKit and it gives me the option to pay. Anyone happen to know if I pay, would that get me into the Kickstarter and guarantee me the items?
On Friday it was confirmed by a Backerkit rep, on the Catalyst discord, that they will cancel any new orders placed from that point forward.
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My shipping has shown up! Down from $142 to 68!
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My Shipping has also shown up, $100 which is a bit higher than the estimate from the discord call but not horrible
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Mine is showing a value now, too. Only a little bit less, but it wasn't much to begin with (Company-level). Shipping tax dropped a LOT, though.
Hopefully we'll get word when the payment data needs to be updated.
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Mine showed up, didn't see that much of a drop from the initial price, but I did order the set of Urban Neoprene battlemats as an add-on, so I'm guessing that's the big factor for me.
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Mine dropped from ~300 to 230. Not a big drop
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Roughly 100 plus taxes to Australia for a large order ($1000+) so happy with that.
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My shipping's $242.61 and the total's $260.20... Come one paycheck from work! (yes I do have a part-time job)
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Just checked - mine appears to have dropped to about $57 (so about £45) which is about half of what was quoted before (ansd about what I actually expected at the time, I think). That's a major improvement.
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Mine came through, I never checked the first time. 50usd on a 400usd order. I'm completely fine with the price, and considering I'm in New Zealand and was expecting nearly double that. Makes me wish I could tack on a few more items :D
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Roughly 100 plus taxes to Australia for a large order ($1000+) so happy with that.
This is great to hear that international backers aren't getting stiffed. Super pleased to hear that.
Although now I am curious, I'm a Stateside Regimental backer with a couple extra items and shipping is $115 (on a $1000 order).
Would be curious to hear if other Regimental backers have a similar shipping amount? Reeeeeaaaaaalllly hoping there isn't another computer snafu.
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Mine dropped about $48USD. $610 order and my shipping is now $110. I was hoping for less but any less is still a win I reckon. Now it's been so long since I had to pay the original pledge, I've forgotten how to pay on backerkit. Can we pay now or do we have to wait until later to pay? Sorry y'all. Covid brain sucks.
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This is great to hear that international backers aren't getting stiffed. Super pleased to hear that.
Although now I am curious, I'm a Stateside Regimental backer with a couple extra items and shipping is $115 (on a $1000 order).
Would be curious to hear if other Regimental backers have a similar shipping amount? Reeeeeaaaaaalllly hoping there isn't another computer snafu.
I got the regiment and had $110 in extras. My shipping to Alabama is $110.
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Mine dropped about a 1/3. Now about 17% of charge, and being charged state shipping charge, which is something new.
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I got the regiment and had $110 in extras. My shipping to Alabama is $110.
A stones throw from Georgia and still $110? Sheesh, I’m scared to look.
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My shipping dropped by $103.86.
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Mine only dropped $7 but wasn't unreasonable anyway, not complaining about $160 on a $2k+ order to Australia
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Some folks (myself included) who were part of the spot check are seeing price increases. Will have to wait until tomorrow as backerkit and QML are out of the office for any news on that front.
During spotcheck my big pledge was quoted at $150 ish and now seeing $260. (that pledge is 2k worth of stuff so $260 isn't completely reasonable if it is the correct number but it doesn't match with the earlier dataset quoted by Rem.)
My smaller spotchecked pledge was quoted as 120 ish and is now showing $68 or so so it actually went down. So obviously something still hinky with the data. or it was wrong during the spotcheck.
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On my $1168 pledge I have a shipping cost of $187, which is one hell of a lot better than the $397 the previous quote was. I had hoped for the 150-160ish range, but this isn’t that bad.
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mine reduced from 30% to 20% ... still at $101, still seems high for a $505 order. Should we hit up the CGL link in KS yet, or wait?
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Mine dropped about $48USD. $610 order and my shipping is now $110. I was hoping for less but any less is still a win I reckon. Now it's been so long since I had to pay the original pledge, I've forgotten how to pay on backerkit. Can we pay now or do we have to wait until later to pay? Sorry y'all. Covid brain sucks.
Not COVID brain, or at least I don't think so. Had the same situation. Was going to just pay my shipping anyway to be done and done, but didn't see where on Backerkit I could pay. You aren't the only one.
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mine reduced from 30% to 20% ... still at $101, still seems high for a $505 order. Should we hit up the CGL link in KS yet, or wait?
Yeah, not sure where you are geographically, but that does seem a bit high relative to what other folk are reporting. Again, not meaning to be a spanner in the works, I really want this to go through easily, but I also don't want folk to be paying too much because of a computer error. I know Catalyst is trying to do right by us, but we can all help to spotcheck each other.
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Mine dropped about $48USD. $610 order and my shipping is now $110. I was hoping for less but any less is still a win I reckon. Now it's been so long since I had to pay the original pledge, I've forgotten how to pay on backerkit. Can we pay now or do we have to wait until later to pay? Sorry y'all. Covid brain sucks.
You can pay now by Paypal in backerkit (There is a button for Paypal pay if you have a balance). Otherwise, you have to wait for it to be locked or contact BackerKit to process the charge now on our credit card. My new shipping price was really close to what I expected all along and wanted it in this month's calendar for other reasons so I just paid it off tonight using paypal.
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@cmerwin upstate NY, relatively urban area. Should not be that high imo.
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I'm not following this super duper closely for mental health reasons (:wink:). Is the current charge on the Backerkit survey now the appropriate charge?
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I'm not checking anything until I get actual notification through Kickstarter, where such communication belongs.
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Mine dropped from 200 20mthing to 68. However, it still has "State Shipping tax." Florida doesn't have shipping tax that I was aware of? Is this we have to pay for shipping tax from the point of origin?
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State shipping tax is showing up in Arizona, which is odd.
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You can pay now by Paypal in backerkit (There is a button for Paypal pay if you have a balance). Otherwise, you have to wait for it to be locked or contact BackerKit to process the charge now on our credit card. My new shipping price was really close to what I expected all along and wanted it in this month's calendar for other reasons so I just paid it off tonight using paypal.
Thanks!
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A stones throw from Georgia and still $110? Sheesh, I’m scared to look.
I'm on the Western side of the state, near Tuscaloosa. Still, I know what you mean. I was hoping that my shipping would've been less since I'm only one state away but at this point, I just want my toys and swag. I'll gladly pay the new total. I did a regiment pledge so maybe that has something to do with it?
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I'm wondering how many people who are getting $100+ for shipping in the US got neoprene mats in their orders or ordered at the regiment or higher pledge level.
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I'm wondering how many people who are getting $100+ for shipping in the US got neoprene mats in their orders or ordered at the regiment or higher pledge level.
Oh yeah that's a good call. The BFMs are very awkward sizes.
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Wow, this was unexpected: my shipping was about 55 bald eagles before and now dropped to 49 freedom coins. Not complaining about the direction but I also won't hold my breath yet :tongue:
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State shipping tax is showing up in Arizona, which is odd.
Arizona started charging state tax on drop shipping, Moderator in the discord said it was being looked at to verify if this qualifies as such among other state and regional issues.
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My shipping dropped to about $55, which is very welcome. I got a Battalion and a couple add-ons, but no neoprene matts.
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Australian here. Shipping dropped to about 10% of my order, with sales tax adding another 10% (not QML's issue.) So shipping dropped by about a third.
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My shipping only dropped about 1/3 from the original posting, is about $75 USD higher than was 'checked' on the discord, and is still 20% of my order in price. So 30% to 20%.
$460 on a $2300 order in U.S., but to an APO (which I'm assuming they're going fewer packages and ground, which is more expensive typically than multiple packages and priority. Ground or larger singular packages is terrible for shipping to APO.)
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Didn't they say they expected only 5% of the orders or so to be above $150? My shipping is currently $187, and while I did order a fair bit ($1170 total pledge) I'd not been assuming that was in the top 5%.
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In my case, shipping (from an Australian hub) is 10%, local sales tax 10%. I don't have any battlemats.
What sort of percentages are others seeing, with or without battlemats?
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My shipping is listed currently as $100 on a pledge of about $960, plus a total of $240 or so in VAT. During the spot checks on Discord I was quoted a shipping cost of $79.
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In my case, shipping (from an Australian hub) is 10%, local sales tax 10%. I don't have any battlemats.
What sort of percentages are others seeing, with or without battlemats?
Also Australian, my shipping cost is ~7%, no battlemats.
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Wisconsin, no Battlemats, roughly 16%.
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Missouri, Battalion and a bit, shipping down from $100 and a bit to $50something. That still seems a touch high, but QML shipping was higher than expected on another recent Kickstarter delivery.
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This is great to hear that international backers aren't getting stiffed. Super pleased to hear that.
Although now I am curious, I'm a Stateside Regimental backer with a couple extra items and shipping is $115 (on a $1000 order).
Would be curious to hear if other Regimental backers have a similar shipping amount? Reeeeeaaaaaalllly hoping there isn't another computer snafu.
Thank you. I just did a check on the CGL site and yep more than 100 shipping for a forcepack. For what you are after there may be a snafu BUT it also may be cheaper for Chine > AU. I don't have details on that of course.
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Shipping from the Webshop is a separate issue from shipping for the Kickstarter, prices on one are not indicitative of the other at all.
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I'm wondering how many people who are getting $100+ for shipping in the US got neoprene mats in their orders or ordered at the regiment or higher pledge level.
Shipping to Atlanta. No neoprene on mine. The only thing I can figure (again, fingers crossed there is no snafu), is maybe the weight of the Limited Edition Universe Book?
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Company $150.00
Add-ons $110.00
Original Shipping Total was $33.86
Updated Shipping Total is $30.82
Was low, barely a needle move but only getting ForcePack adds on meant fairly regular box shaped volume.
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Mine did drop $50 to $100 shipping to Michigan. I'm glad for the drop but wish it could of been more.
Just never heard of taxes on shipping to Michigan.
I just wish I could order more, feel like I'm missing out on something.
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I guess Canada got hosed again. Got 2 different orders and only checked the biggest one before. chipping has gone up from 37 to 40% of the order and the second one is 66% percent of the order. :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
I knew books were pricey but not like that. :shocked:
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Does anyone know how QML will be shipping (i.e. Ground or Air)?
Will they be shipping through another company (i.e. UPS, FedEx, Post, etc), and if so who?
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Also Canadian - Mine reduced...from an original Quote of $259.90 to a new $214.5, so a whole $45.
The main GST Charge has remained the same - $36.85 so gonna assume that is the government cut on the goods.
But the question is...is this is USD or CAD. It would be nice if there is some sort of explanation on that.
Because if the Shipping is USD, that $214.50 is $294.88
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Does anyone know how QML will be shipping (i.e. Ground or Air)?
Will they be shipping through another company (i.e. UPS, FedEx, Post, etc), and if so who?
Last time was Ground and Fed-Ex
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Northern California, Regiment, $690 total pledge. No battlemats.
First shipping estimate: $257.90, including $18.70 state tax shipping (not a thing in California).
Updated shipping estimate: $167.37, including $12.13 state tax shipping. Represents 24% of the total pledge amount.
My company regularly ships large boxes as part of our work, exclusively using FedEx and UPS to ship to the lower 48 States. These prices are curiously....high. Dimensions/weight/distance is a pretty simple calculus. Regular ground shipping with tracking is reliable. It still looks like this is a second day air rate.
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Company $150.00
Add-ons $110.00
Original Shipping Total was $33.86
Updated Shipping Total is $30.82
Was low, barely a needle move but only getting ForcePack adds on meant fairly regular box shaped volume.
I have a company with $70 of add ons and mine is $37 and change. (my add ons are just swag dice patchs exctra...)
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Northern Kentucky, Company, $168 total pledge.
Still waiting... :sad:
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My shipping has dropped about 50$, so close to half. But VAT is still huge, so total has gone from 300 down to 250. In any case I was from the beginning expecting a big bill so no problem.
The only thing I don't understand is that I'm being charged for VAT and also for VAT Shipping. Been ages since I left the international shipping business for good so if anyone can tell me the difference, would be appreciated.
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Northern California, Regiment, $690 total pledge. No battlemats.
First shipping estimate: $257.90, including $18.70 state tax shipping (not a thing in California).
Updated shipping estimate: $167.37, including $12.13 state tax shipping. Represents 24% of the total pledge amount.
My company regularly ships large boxes as part of our work, exclusively using FedEx and UPS to ship to the lower 48 States. These prices are curiously....high. Dimensions/weight/distance is a pretty simple calculus. Regular ground shipping with tracking is reliable. It still looks like this is a second day air rate.
I’m also NorCal with about $200 more pledge but nearly the same shipping, including the non-applicable sales tax. I’m still thinking these aren’t final and won’t worry too much until we get an official announcement.
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My shipping has dropped about 50$, so close to half. But VAT is still huge, so total has gone from 300 down to 250. In any case I was from the beginning expecting a big bill so no problem.
The only thing I don't understand is that I'm being charged for VAT and also for VAT Shipping. Been ages since I left the international shipping business for good so if anyone can tell me the difference, would be appreciated.
Backerkit is breaking the VAT into two line items so you know how much of it is for the product and how much is for shipping, since some regions have different tax rates for goods and shipping. The vast majority of websites don't display them separated, it probably made sense to someone at Backerkit to have them show separately.
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I do wonder if they're trying to stuff everything into a single box instead of cheaper multi box shipping. My gift batallion pledge is shipping for $53 (plus "shipping tax" which should only be ~0.33 in Colorado instead of 1.55). My personal double battalion plus a book, 2 force packs, a map pack and two swag patches is triple that.
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$167.06, which includes $7.96 in state tax shipping (not a thing in Alabama). Regiment, Universe book, cookbook, 6 novels, 1 forcepack, 2 dropships, and misc swag.
Regiment backers: any under $150 shipping in the US?
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$167.06, which includes $7.96 in state tax shipping (not a thing in Alabama). Regiment, Universe book, cookbook, 6 novels, 1 forcepack, 2 dropships, and misc swag.
Regiment backers: any under $150 shipping in the US?
So here is a good example. We're both regiment backers. I assume you don't have any of the giant neoprene battlemats in your order. Shipping from Georgia to Alabama is a short haul. I have a similar order to you, and shipping to California is 30 cents different? Say what? 2,400 miles for 30 cents seems pretty weird.
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Backerkit is breaking the VAT into two line items so you know how much of it is for the product and how much is for shipping, since some regions have different tax rates for goods and shipping. The vast majority of websites don't display them separated, it probably made sense to someone at Backerkit to have them show separately.
Ah I see, makes sense. Thanks for the info!
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Canadian here - I don't recall my old shipping quote other than it was a bit higher. New quote is $208.65 shipping on an $1132.50 order (no battlemats).
Plus 67 taxes.
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So here is a good example. We're both regiment backers. I assume you don't have any of the giant neoprene battlemats in your order. Shipping from Georgia to Alabama is a short haul. I have a similar order to you, and shipping to California is 30 cents different? Say what? 2,400 miles for 30 cents seems pretty weird.
No mats.
I'm taking a guess here, but I'd imagine whatever additional amount you're paying for being on the other side of the continent is offset by me paying more for having books. "1.3(X)" vs "X + $30" deal, with X being the regiment pledge shipping amount. We need to solve for X--If Regiment backers are paying $120 on average for just the regiment portion, I'd be asking Catalyst why they can't get it lowered? I suspect it'll be something like we're paying QML 75 cents an item to put it in a box.
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Canadian here - I don't recall my old shipping quote other than it was a bit higher. New quote is $208.65 shipping on an $1132.50 order (no battlemats).
Plus 67 taxes.
Is that $208 before or after the GST?
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As a UK backer with ~$1200 of loot, my shipping has reduced from ~$140 to $107.64. I've got a battlemat in the order but it's regular size, not the BFM.
VAT hasn't changed so I'm still getting charged 20% VAT on the books even though those are zero-rated.
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I guess nothing in 100% complete until you get the email. So let's hope this one change again and this is just a test.
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I guess nothing in 100% complete until you get the email. So let's hope this one change again and this is just a test.
Why would you do a test with wrong charges when you know people are watching for the charges to show up?
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I live in Florida, and on a $889 order, my Shipping is $160.12 + $9.61 in taxes = $169.73.
That's steep, considering AFAIK, the company doing the shipping is in the same state, @ 100 miles away.....
Craig
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Rem just said on-stream to hold off on questions until there's a backer update to say shipping fees are properly uploaded and should be correct, and then they can start looking at outstanding anomalies.
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Is that $208 before or after the GST?
That's before tax. There's $67 additional in taxes which includes tax on order and tax on shipping.
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I've never heard of NYS tax on shipping, but its there. Hoping they review things again, my $101 still seems way to high.
On a side note the toxicity on the KS forums is really disheartening.
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On a side note the toxicity on the KS forums is really disheartening.
The number one rule of Comments sections is "never read the Comments section" :wink:
Still haven't received my updated Shipping yet...
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The number one rule of Comments sections is "never read the Comments section" :wink:
Still haven't received my updated Shipping yet...
Though given that CGL hasn't bothered to respond to comments pretty much the whole kickstarter that might have something to do with the frustration of those people in the comments.
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$171.50 shipping and state shipping tax on a $1060 order.
Ruger
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I don't see the point of even checking until they send an e-mail out saying it's ready.
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Some folks (myself included) who were part of the spot check are seeing price increases. Will have to wait until tomorrow as backerkit and QML are out of the office for any news on that front.
During spotcheck my big pledge was quoted at $150 ish and now seeing $260. (that pledge is 2k worth of stuff so $260 isn't completely reasonable if it is the correct number but it doesn't match with the earlier dataset quoted by Rem.)
My smaller spotchecked pledge was quoted as 120 ish and is now showing $68 or so so it actually went down. So obviously something still hinky with the data. or it was wrong during the spotcheck.
It seems like a new round of adjustments is going through. My big pledge is now showing the amount that I was given during spot checks. not sure how wide the changes are as of yet.
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$171.50 shipping and state shipping tax on a $1060 order.
Ruger
What State do you live in? Any of the large neoprene maps?
In a similar situation, with a similar shipping charge, just curious if it's comparable.
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It seems like a new round of adjustments is going through. My big pledge is now showing the amount that I was given during spot checks. not sure how wide the changes are as of yet.
Same, mine just dropped $65+ down to the spot checked amount of $395 instead of $461.
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My shipping quote dropped another $3 since I last posted. I was okay with original $75, so I am continuing to not complain.
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Mine has dropped to the total Rem quoted me too. Down another $21 to $79. So I am very happy.
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Mine did drop $50 to $100 shipping to Michigan. I'm glad for the drop but wish it could of been more.
Just never heard of taxes on shipping to Michigan.
I just wish I could order more, feel like I'm missing out on something.
For Michigan, I believe shipping is not taxed as long as it is on a separate line. So a single price that includes item(s), shipping, handling, etc. would be taxed fully, but if the purchase agreement lists item(s) = $X and shipping = $Y, then only $X would be taxed. I could be wrong here, but I've also not previously seen taxes for shipping.
On that note, I see that the sales tax for shipping was dropped for me in BackerKit. Shipping itself didn't change from yesterday, $51.69 for $345 of stuff. Though that's down from the original $63, I'm not 100% on how "good" that is. I got the Company pledge along with the Art of War book, a shirt, Somerset Strikers pack, dice, dice tray, and a DropShip.
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Mine still hasn't been updated... :sad:
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Mine remains unchanged from its update earlier in the week, which is fine. If my final shipping cost is $50, I’ll be fairly unperturbed. It still seems high, but QML shipping has been high as of late and I honest.y have no idea how heavy those order will be once it’s all packed.
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Mine dropped the shipping taxes. Still paying about 16% of my charge. If this ended up being what it is, its not so bad.
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Mine doesn't seem to have been updated. The values haven't changed, and the shipping tax is still in place.
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My original cost was about $170, and now has dropped to $140 which is still extreme.
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My original cost was about $170, and now has dropped to $140 which is still extreme.
Just for comparison's sake, what was your pledge, did you order mats, and where are you shipping your order? I came in at $167, which I thought ridiculous for shipping in the lower 48.
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Mine has held steady at $187, no mats, Wisconsin, $1170 pre-shipping order total.
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Mine's around $50 on a $350 pledge (no neoprene mats). That's also about what it cost for me to get another recent crowdfunded game (Frosthaven) shipped via UPS ground, which came in a 17.5x13x11.5 box and weighed just under 40 pounds. So it seems about right to me.
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Just for comparison's sake, what was your pledge, did you order mats, and where are you shipping your order? I came in at $167, which I thought ridiculous for shipping in the lower 48.
With add-ons (including the city mats), it was four hundred and change.
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106 on 620 to Iowa. That still seems really steep.
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What State do you live in? Any of the large neoprene maps?
In a similar situation, with a similar shipping charge, just curious if it's comparable.
Tennessee. No really large items.
Ruger
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Tennessee. No really large items.
Ruger
Yeah, so we're next door. Seems a hair high for shipping, although if that's what it is in the end, I'm not complaining.
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People have gotten emails again? I have seen nothing.
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People have gotten emails again? I have seen nothing.
We've been using the link from the previous email.
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Yeah, there has been no official new communication at all, just the (possibly incorrect) charges posting. I suspect they are trying to iron out bugs before sending out an announcement.
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No email for me but shipping dropped from almost $300 down to $170. I do have mats coming and order total was about $900. I guess I'll take the new shipping with a grain of salt until I hear anything official.
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Mine went from 25% to 16% so I will take that.
The CI Kickstarter was at 9% but I ordered way less in bulky large things.
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Shipping went from >$250 to <$80.
For an order just below $3,000 to Germany.
That's from reasonable to ridiculous low.
No BFM, but 2 sets of BattleMats, all Force Packs, and an insanely amount of swag.
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Rem noted on Tuesday Newsday (https://www.youtube.com/live/9B7DCopf1g8?si=1AqQTp-q2YIh4Wis&t=503) that they won't send an update until everything is uploaded.
I myself have not seen an update on shipping since they zeroed out all of the accounts and it is still showing that I have a shipping total of $0.00.
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When I think of the Clan KS, I remember folks in the EU had higher shipping rates than folks in the US. Now, it seems that has been reversed. Everyone I've seen thus far in the EU has more reasonable shipping charges than the US people. (I realize EU people have to contend with VAT and other charges as well)
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Having international shipping hubs helps with the international shipping rates.
Other events over the last few years have downgraded the US rates.
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I'm wondering how many people who are getting $100+ for shipping in the US got neoprene mats in their orders or ordered at the regiment or higher pledge level.
Mine was one of the ones (a little) over $100 and I did a regiment pledge. While I may be a little disappointed with the cost of shipping, I definitely understand the increased costs of shipping these days. I'm definitely not going to be one of the folks I've seen online demanding a cancellation of their order and refund. The new costs seem more reasonable and even they're not set in stone yet. Folks need to learn a little patience. :rolleyes:
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Not I, just a BN and then Co bonus pledge with some forcepacks, 1 DS, and whatever accompanying SBs there are.
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Stupid question, vis a vis the latest update, but IF shipping were to come late May, what sort of time frame would it be before it arrives (in the UK)?
Specifically because we're away at the end of May and I can easily conceive about somethign showing up the minute we set out...
I appreciate the much more likely scenario is it happening later, but...
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I'm assuming that they're still uploading as I still have a $0.00 shipping total...
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Stupid question, vis a vis the latest update, but IF shipping were to come late May, what sort of time frame would it be before it arrives (in the UK)?
Specifically because we're away at the end of May and I can easily conceive about somethign showing up the minute we set out...
I appreciate the much more likely scenario is it happening later, but...
Last time they started shipping from the hub and it was around another two weeks. I don’t remember the overseas hub situation last time. Idk if they managed to set one up for the UK as it was right about brexit times. I think they have a UK hub this go around so no lt sure how it’ll be for UKers
Unrelated, what does this KS update actually mean? Pay now or keep waiting?
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said we could add in on some things to the kickstarter. So how do you do that??
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Unrelated, what does this KS update actually mean? Pay now or keep waiting?
From what I understand its an update on the issues that have cropped up over the past week with some answers.
From the opening sentence of the update "Here are some of the issues we’ve identified and the updates made."
Which I read as an official update for communication, but not a final lock in the lets go update.
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So far I haven't seen an official communication indicating that we should pay.
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So far I haven't seen an official communication indicating that we should pay.
That's what I'm waiting on.
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New kickstarter update is up
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So, I know this is going to sound dumb, but how do you pay the shipping once everything is said and done? I have a balance. I see that under Payment my card is on file, but there isn't any payment button or the like.
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So, I know this is going to sound dumb, but how do you pay the shipping once everything is said and done? I have a balance. I see that under Payment my card is on file, but there isn't any payment button or the like.
I believe that if you have card details entered, payment will be taken on the last day of shipping charges being payable.
Otherwise you can pay with paypal if you'd rather pay immediately.
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Folks need to learn a little patience. :rolleyes:
You're familiar with the internet, right? You know that patience does not exist? :wink:
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I believe that if you have card details entered, payment will be taken on the last day of shipping charges being payable.
Otherwise you can pay with paypal if you'd rather pay immediately.
That is what I was expecting, but wasn’t sure.
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You're familiar with the internet, right? You know that patience does not exist? :wink:
TL;DR
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TL;DR
Well played, sir. azn
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Is it worth sending a request to review the s/h charges? I'm at 20% of a $540 order ($101). It certainly is better than the 30% that I was hit w/first.
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I'm curious if we could submit Arizona's shipping state tax for review as well. It's fairly complicated, and this doesn't seem to fit.
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From what that update said, it seems pretty close to being fixed or fixed enough for the people in charge.
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Is it worth sending a request to review the s/h charges? I'm at 20% of a $540 order ($101). It certainly is better than the 30% that I was hit w/first.
I wouldn't bother until they send the "we're done" e-mail.
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I'm in Canada with a Vet level pledge + 1 forcepack and the new shipping number for me is a tick over $50 CAD, which is slightly better than the number from a month ago but still seems darn high. Game shops in Toronto can send similar sized packages anywhere in Canada for as low as $11 or $22.50. Hoping maybe the numbers get further tweaked cause it sure doesn't seem like a Canada-friendly local shipping rate.
DW
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I wouldn't bother until they send the "we're done" e-mail.
So very much this. It's becoming quite irritating to see folks talk about shipping quotes as of they're finalized and set in stone, when this couldn't be further from the truth.
Until Backer kit sends you an email, just wait. Is it really that hard?
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Northern California here.
My wife and I have multiple orders.
Battalion with zero add-ons: $60.35
Regiment with zero add-ons: $134.67
A very large order multiple regiments and battalions, lots of add-ons: $703.96
I've shipped a lot of stuff both domestic and overseas with USPS over the years. These numbers seem a little high but not wildly so. As for the big order, I've never sent anything that large and so have no basis for comparison.
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So very much this. It's becoming quite irritating to see folks talk about shipping quotes as of they're finalized and set in stone, when this couldn't be further from the truth.
Until Backer kit sends you an email, just wait. Is it really that hard?
I mean based on update 88 doesn't seem like unless you complain to them you can expect changes. Given that they said in that update it is shipping potentially the end of this month time is now an issue that CGL isn't being clear on. I mean you may think it is Irritating that folks are talking about shipping like they are finalized which is cool. But I don't think any of us have seen shipping charges posted so clearly wrong multiple times (I am saying multiple times because you seem to think they are still not set in stone) Seems CGL knows they are problems too or they wouldnt have set up a fund. It is honestly unprofessional and doesn't past the smell test.
Honestly it feels like QML still has some of the Handling charges in our shipping charge. Honestly I think for transparancy given all the crazyness unless CGL lets a independent 3rd party verify they shipping charges are right we have no way to know if they are truly correct
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I'm in Canada with a Vet level pledge + 1 forcepack and the new shipping number for me is a tick over $50 CAD, which is slightly better than the number from a month ago but still seems darn high. Game shops in Toronto can send similar sized packages anywhere in Canada for as low as $11 or $22.50. Hoping maybe the numbers get further tweaked cause it sure doesn't seem like a Canada-friendly local shipping rate.
DW
From what I can tell from my own shipping and others' posts here is that we in Canada are just getting beat up on this, for the simple privilege of living in Canada, I guess. :rolleyes:
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From what I can tell from my own shipping and others' posts here is that we in Canada are just getting beat up on this, for the simple privilege of living in Canada, I guess. :rolleyes:
:cry:
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/GUV6eI-X6XcAAAAC/canadian-cries-in-canadian.gif)
Even Better GIF
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So very much this. It's becoming quite irritating to see folks talk about shipping quotes as of they're finalized and set in stone, when this couldn't be further from the truth.
Until Backer kit sends you an email, just wait. Is it really that hard?
For some people it can be hard to wait though. More so with something like a kickstarter where enough time passes that your situation may be a lot different than it was when you pledged. I do think it would be more productive for them to follow the directions in update 88 to contact them directly rather than posting here, because you do need to wait a few days for a response.
For me personally its within 13 bucks of what I expected to pay for my battalion pledge. I was estimating $40 to Michigan and its little over 50 (way better than the initial quote). Thats close enough for me without knowing all the shipping details to be fine with it. I would actually feel pretty good if not pushing for a lower rate made it more affordable for someone who has had a rough year.
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So very much this. It's becoming quite irritating to see folks talk about shipping quotes as of they're finalized and set in stone, when this couldn't be further from the truth.
Until Backer kit sends you an email, just wait. Is it really that hard?
Ah ok. I was uninformed and thought maybe I'm not getting emails and shifted into paranoia mode.
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It's very unlikely your shipping charges will change, anyone who tells you otherwise is just running interference for unclear reasons, and I would just ignore them. Don't pay them until they send the update saying to. But yes these shipping charges are likely to stand for the vast majority of people.
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It's very unlikely your shipping charges will change, anyone who tells you otherwise is just running interference for unclear reasons, and I would just ignore them. Don't pay them until they send the update saying to. But yes these shipping charges are likely to stand for the vast majority of people.
Based on what evidence? Because I am beginning to really side-eye a few folks here.
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mine went from $65 to $45. midwest USA, only a $215 pledge, so i wasn't expecting much cost to start, but any reduction is nice. and if i save money, you can bet others save more
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Based on what evidence? Because I am beginning to really side-eye a few folks here.
I mean for him to be wrong you would have to except that CGL for the second time on the same Kickstarter has authrized the wrong shipping numbers to be posted. In what situation would any company do that? You don't as a buisness post wrong shipping charges to your customers
Second CGL said this "Support:
Catalyst has set aside an additional fund in excess of the initial subsidization to help those in need. Please reach out via the Kickstarter messaging system (instructions below) and we’ll take a look at your account and see if we can help. We will be prioritizing those with the largest costs. Please note that we will not be offering refunds this late in the project." Which indicates that they only intend to look at charges on people who complain and then they are looking at the largest ones.
The honest question I have is based on update 88 why would anyone think otherwise unless they complain to CGL?
CGL would be insane to just post wrong shipping charges a second time. I can not honestly see why anyone would even take the position they are not what CGL thinks are the correct final numbers.
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From what I can tell from my own shipping and others' posts here is that we in Canada are just getting beat up on this, for the simple privilege of living in Canada, I guess. :rolleyes:
I gave percentages before but I should also give an example for lower level pledges like me. My first pledge was recruit level with salvages and swag add-ons. No maps or anything else. The Shipping plus GST got from 56$ for an order of 156$ Us to 63.23$ US now :shocked:
The second is somewhat worse. Paper pusher with the Art of War DTF book add-on and 2 patches. 50$ US. Shipping and+ GST is 32.83$US :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
Yup. Love Canada for Commerce. :headbang: :headbang: :mafiosi:
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I mean for him to be wrong you would have to except that CGL for the second time on the same Kickstarter has authrized the wrong shipping numbers to be posted. In what situation would any company do that? You don't as a buisness post wrong shipping charges to your customers
i've seen some idiots on another forum (largely warhammer centric) talking in their thread for the battletech KS that they're convinced that it's all just some plot by CGl to bilk them out of money... i just think some gamers are so used to really big gaming companies ripping them off on prices and jerking them around with deceptive practices that they've decided that all game companies work that way.
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I can not honestly see why anyone would even take the position they are not what CGL thinks are the correct final numbers.
Because an email that saying the shipping charges are all fixed and to now pay has not been sent out. Until then it's an assumption either way.
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So very much this. It's becoming quite irritating to see folks talk about shipping quotes as of they're finalized and set in stone, when this couldn't be further from the truth.
Until Backer kit sends you an email, just wait. Is it really that hard?
If that is the case, which is what it seems like, then THEY NEED TO BE ABSOLUTELY, 100%, SWAROVSKI CRYSTAL CLEAR ON THIS. Which they absolutely haven't been. Update #88 reads a lot more like "it's all fixed" than "we're still working it."
CGL could use a course in crisis communications.
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Because an email that saying the shipping charges are all fixed and to now pay has not been sent out. Until then it's an assumption either way.
So when they sent out update 88 it gave the impression they had sorted out the outright shipping errors and the numbers were now correct. After seeing someone point things out on this forum I went back and re-read it and it does not actually say that the currect prices are final, even though that was 100% my take away from my first read. If these numbers aren't final then their communication has been VERY unclear on that issue.
Giving out instructions for how to contact them about high totals makes absolutely no sense if we aren't intended to take these numbers as final.
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Until Backer kit sends you an email, just wait. Is it really that hard?
Tell that to my rash that I'm trying hard NOT to itch whenever someone talks about the Kickstarter shipping...
GAH!!!! There it goes again!
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Tell that to my rash that I'm trying hard NOT to itch whenever someone talks about the Kickstarter shipping...
GAH!!!! There it goes again!
I feel it too.
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My read on the update was very much:
“Here is a list of things we’ve found and fixed. Here are the results people will (future tense) see. Here’s some background and support information.”
That suggests that numbers should be converging on “correct”, but very much reads as a process in motion to me.
The promised timeline is getting short so I’d expect more information soon, but I am not seeing an all clear so far.
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I gave percentages before but I should also give an example for lower level pledges like me. My first pledge was recruit level with salvages and swag add-ons. No maps or anything else. The Shipping plus GST got from 56$ for an order of 156$ Us to 63.23$ US now :shocked:
The second is somewhat worse. Paper pusher with the Art of War DTF book add-on and 2 patches. 50$ US. Shipping and+ GST is 32.83$US :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
Yup. Love Canada for Commerce. :headbang: :headbang: :mafiosi:
I would recommend following the directions in the kickstarter update 88 email.
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If people didn't complain about the over charge in shipping, it might have never been worked on. So, there is that.
Some of the people getting triggered, well that maybe a little too much.
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If people didn't complain about the over charge in shipping, it might have never been worked on. So, there is that.
Some of the people getting triggered, well that maybe a little too much.
I don't think most people understand how shipping works, and that is creating a lot of anxiety. An example would be people asking for the weight of the shipment. Force packs are really light, so the shipping fees are going to be based on dimensional weight which would be really hard for CGL to comment on because of factors like dunnage and negotiated rates. It's also really hard to compare shipping from a retail site to a fulfillment service, because the retail site is making margin on the product in the first place so they have some wiggle room, that I don't think QML would have.
I'm fine with people posting if they think its high, but a lot of people in other forums/kickerstarter comments are jumping straight to it being an issue of greed. I really appreciate how most of the posters in this thread are handling it and its why I'm bringing update 88. That said I get why some people are sick of hearing about it, I do wish they would try to change the subject a bit if I'm being honest. I would rather talk about the mechs I'm excited about (Ostroc and Firestarter are my favorites overall), or how people plan on using their new units. I like the ideal of painting up some new fractions to help get some of my friends interested, and their plans may inspire me.
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... I would rather talk about the mechs I'm excited about (Ostroc and Firestarter are my favorites overall), or how people plan on using their new units. ...
You use your Mechs (units)??? ... I plan on hording them like some long in the tooth dragon! (I really need to create some more shelf space in my office (office? oops I mean office turned into my kids lego-zone of pain ... I get it organized and neat looking, she comes in like a freakin' hurricane of legos and other toys).
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Just need a Dervish to finish the Crescent Hawks in plastic. More light mechs would be good too!
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My read on the update was very much:
“Here is a list of things we’ve found and fixed. Here are the results people will (future tense) see. Here’s some background and support information.”
That suggests that numbers should be converging on “correct”, but very much reads as a process in motion to me.
The promised timeline is getting short so I’d expect more information soon, but I am not seeing an all clear so far.
My shipping's still zeroed out, so yeah, it's still being worked on. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Kickstarter is not a game for the short of patience.
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My shipping's still zeroed out, so yeah, it's still being worked on. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Kickstarter is not a game for the short of patience.
Did you ever confirm your address?
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Did you ever confirm your address?
Yeah, quite a while ago. It was showing high shipping charges relative to my order also for a while, I guess my data hasn't been reimported yet.
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My shipping's still zeroed out, so yeah, it's still being worked on. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Kickstarter is not a game for the short of patience.
Mine's also at $0.00. Some random person in the comments said this from update #88 was the reason:
Pre-Orders:
The pre-order store has also been closed to not extend our secondary calculation period. If you do not have a shipping charge on your order yet, you will be part of this second wave of fulfillment. That second wave will happen as soon as orders are processed and shipped from this first wave.
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You use your Mechs (units)??? ... I plan on hording them like some long in the tooth dragon! (I really need to create some more shelf space in my office (office? oops I mean office turned into my kids lego-zone of pain ... I get it organized and neat looking, she comes in like a freakin' hurricane of legos and other toys).
I do use them :laugh:, I mostly play alpha strike. I've found that I like bigger games (400 points), but I don't like running too many new mechs at once because it bogs things down. So, I'll probably make a lance out of the new units and then try to rotate through all the new stuff over the rest of the year. I've never gotten this many at the once, so we'll see how it goes.
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Backer update tonight with what they have found out about shipping tax, charge processing and other dates.
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Finally got my shipping charges (it's only been a month :rolleyes:). For a Company pledge with only a Blood Asp and challenge coin as add ons, my shipping charges are $37.13 with 6% sales tax for a total of $39.36.
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Just checked again yesterday, and the Shipping Tax for my Phoenix metro address had disappeared.
Company pledge, with no add-ons made by me, and about $30, for final shipping. Again, not much more than a similar order from Aries Minis using the USPS Ground order.
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mine shows a state tax amount, but doesn't apply it to the amount owned.
specifically, i'm in missouri. my account shows a $48 shipping charge and an $18 tax.. and a $5 dice rebate leftover from the clan invasion KS. so my amount owed is shown as $43.. basically S&H minus the rebate amount.
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mine shows a state tax amount, but doesn't apply it to the amount owned.
specifically, i'm in missouri. my account shows a $48 shipping charge and an $18 tax.. and a $5 dice rebate leftover from the clan invasion KS. so my amount owed is shown as $43.. basically S&H minus the rebate amount.
You did read the update?
Also, after looking further at state-specific tax rules, we have removed taxes on shipping fees in BackerKit for most states, including but not limited to:
-Missouri
If Missouri had a shipping tax, you would have separate lines, one for State Tax (i.e. sales tax which you already paid with your pledge) and another for State Tax Shipping.
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Updates out
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cgl/battletech-mercenaries/posts/4095900
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You did read the update?
If Missouri had a shipping tax, you would have separate lines, one for State Tax (i.e. sales tax which you already paid with your pledge) and another for State Tax Shipping.
attached is what mine shows.
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Also if you message them they will take a look at your charges and may offer some respite ie: I could either get a reduction on my shipping (bringing it to a reasonable 11%) or a nice CGL store credit (I took the credit, it was a nice offer)
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mine shows a state tax amount, but doesn't apply it to the amount owned.
specifically, i'm in missouri. my account shows a $48 shipping charge and an $18 tax.. and a $5 dice rebate leftover from the clan invasion KS. so my amount owed is shown as $43.. basically S&H minus the rebate amount.
Shipping Tax and State Tax aren't the same thing.
State Tax is whatever taxing they do on sales. This was handled last year.
Shipping Tax is a tax on the actual processing of the box to move through a transport system.
Missouri does have a sales tax, passed in July of 2021, but not collected till January 2023, if the interweb sites reporting this are any accurate.
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attached is what mine shows.
Looks like you already paid your sales tax somehow, did you calculate it yourself back when you pledged and add it on maybe?
If you add up what you've paid vs what you've pledged plus shipping and tax the tax has been paid for.
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Looks like you already paid your sales tax somehow, did you calculate it yourself back when you pledged and add it on maybe?
If you add up what you've paid vs what you've pledged plus shipping and tax the tax has been paid for.
Kickstarter and Backerkit automatically charged sales tax. There was no option not to pay.
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Kickstarter and Backerkit automatically charged sales tax. There was no option not to pay.
It must only be set up for US backers. Australian GST wasn't added until shipping was.
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and my charges went up....
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55 dollars shipping
130 dollars VAT
11 dollars shipping VAT
I can't justify backing another CGL KS at this rate. ☹️
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55 dollars shipping
130 dollars VAT
11 dollars shipping VAT
I can't justify backing another CGL KS at this rate. ☹️
Unfortunately that seems like not a Shipping issue or a Catalyst issue, that seems like mostly a VAT issue from your country. Which is annoying I admit, but wasn't it always going to be that number based off of your pledge? Really the only surprise here could be the shipping costs, which including the VAT on shipping comes to 66, which seems quite reasonable considering some of the other shipping numbers out there.
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Oh, I know it's absolutely a country of residence issue, just frustrating is all.
Does look like there wasn't VAT due on my CI stuff though, from what I can see, hence the frustration.
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I don't see any option on my survey to do the payment now, as it says in the Update. Can someone tell where exactly should it be? I would prefer to make the payment directly, as my card requires a confirmation to any operation, and I could very well be sleeping when the charging happens, because different time zones.
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Oh, I know it's absolutely a country of residence issue, just frustrating is all.
Does look like there wasn't VAT due on my CI stuff though, from what I can see, hence the frustration.
If you're in the EU, there's been a change in how Crowdfunders are taxed, so they get hit for VAT now. It's deeply frustrating.
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If you're in the EU, there's been a change in how Crowdfunders are taxed, so they get hit for VAT now. It's deeply frustrating.
Never surprised to hear about politicians saying, "There's a new thing we aren't taxing?! We must remedy that!"
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Oh, I know it's absolutely a country of residence issue, just frustrating is all.
Does look like there wasn't VAT due on my CI stuff though, from what I can see, hence the frustration.
I mean you are correct CI vat wasn't do. Changes however fixed it were now you guys have to pay the vat. I have been very critical of CGL but they were very upfront that backers overseas were on their own for VAT. I do get though why that would effect you backing. Honestly just that CGL can't post shipping charges without all sorts of problems should give people pause.
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Finally logged in and checked my shipping for the first time. $100 is a lot, but given that my pledge and add-ons total out to about $800, it seems reasonable.
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Finally logged in and checked my shipping for the first time. $100 is a lot, but given that my pledge and add-ons total out to about $800, it seems reasonable.
Nice - Mine pledge/add-ons is a little less than yours (around $700), but my shipping is nearly twice ($170+)
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Nice - Mine pledge/add-ons is a little less than yours (around $700), but my shipping is nearly twice ($170+)
Same here--$690 pledge and $167 shipping. Although I think the both of us suffer from being on the west coast of North America. We couldn't get much further from the shipping hub in the South unless we were in Alaska. :sad:
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Or another country?
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If your shipping is that high of a percentage try contacting them before the 11th.
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I don't see any option on my survey to do the payment now, as it says in the Update. Can someone tell where exactly should it be? I would prefer to make the payment directly, as my card requires a confirmation to any operation, and I could very well be sleeping when the charging happens, because different time zones.
Me neither. No green "Place My Order" button...? Maybe whatever I paid last (apparently 26/05/2023) covered it...?
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Same here--$690 pledge and $167 shipping. Although I think the both of us suffer from being on the west coast of North America. We couldn't get much further from the shipping hub in the South unless we were in Alaska. :sad:
It's almost like they (QML) is just charging a flat 25% fee for shipping outside the Central Area.
If your shipping is that high of a percentage try contacting them before the 11th.
I have - But I'm not holding my breath :cry:
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It's almost like they (QML) is just charging a flat 25% fee for shipping outside the Central Area.
I have - But I'm not holding my breath :cry:
Same thought here--25% flat would explain a lot. I also petitioned for a reduction, but planning on getting hit for the full pop.
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Me neither. No green "Place My Order" button...? Maybe whatever I paid last (apparently 26/05/2023) covered it...?
If you don't see the "Place My Order" button, and did not pay through Paypal, you've completed the Survey and the charging will take place Monday, 12:01 AM PDT, May 13th, 2024.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cgl/battletech-mercenaries/posts/4095900?ref=ksr_email_mktg_auto_backer_project_update_registered_users (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cgl/battletech-mercenaries/posts/4095900?ref=ksr_email_mktg_auto_backer_project_update_registered_users)
It says PST, but no one on Pacific Time is operating on Standard Time, everyone is on Daylight Savings Time, so PDT.
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So I'm being charged $92.49 continental US shipping for the following items + the Savannah Masters:
Battalion pledge level
1 Mercenaries Box Set Exclusive
1 Map Pack: Savannahs
2 Mercenaries Forcepack: Inner Sphere Recon Lance
1 Mercenaries Forcepack: Battlefield Support Recon & Hunter Lances
1 Mercenaries Forcepack: Inner Sphere Heavy Recon Lance
1 Mercenaries Forcepack: Battlefield Support Battle & Fire Lances
1 Mercenaries Forcepack: Inner Sphere Battle Armor Platoon
1 Mercenaries Forcepack: Battlefield Support Objectives
1 Mercenaries Forcepack: Legendary MechWarriors Legendary MechWarriors III
1 Mercenaries Forcepack: Battlefield Support RIfle & Command Lances
2 Mercenaries Forcepack: Battlefield Support Heavy Battle & Sweep Lances
1 100mm Timberwolf (per backer)
1 Premium Record Sheets: Mercenaries
1 Supersized Poster Set
2 Salvage Boxes Clan Invasion (Shilone Aerospace Fighter)
2 Salvage Boxes Mercenaries (Visigoth Aerospace Fighter)
1 Salvage Box: Savannah Master [Individual]
2 Salvage Boxes Mercenaries (Blood Asp)
4 Salvage Boxes Mercenaries (BattleMechs)
1 Art of War
1 Officer's SWAG Challenge Coin Star League
1 Laser-effect "Chevron" Dice General Issue 16mm
1 Officer's SWAG Lapel Pin Clan Sea Fox
1 Graphic Novel PDF
1 Alpha Strike Bundle (Reward)
1 Core Rulebook Choice (Reward) - Interstellar Operations (Alt. Eras)
1 Clan Invasion Forcepack: ComStar - Battle Level II Image
Is this a reasonable price?
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The Supersize Poster Set is probably what's driving your shipping cost up. Like the neoprene battle mats, it's a big item that requires a large box to ship.
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The Supersize Poster Set is probably what's driving your shipping cost up. Like the neoprene battle mats, it's a big item that requires a large box to ship.
I believe that it's folded, not rolled.
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$500 pledge
$545 in addons
$161 shipping.
$75 taxes
I guess the 161 doesn't seem that far off based on what others are posting, and the taxes looks right, but did I really order $545 in addons!? I mean yeah, they're listed right there, but still, wow.
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The Supersize Poster Set is probably what's driving your shipping cost up. Like the neoprene battle mats, it's a big item that requires a large box to ship.
I hope to have the Supersized poster removed from my pledge if that is true; I didn't back for expensive "free" posters.
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I hope to have the Supersized poster removed from my pledge if that is true; I didn't back for expensive "free" posters.
Good news, the post you are quoting is completely false and the posters will have minimal effect on shipping price unless you bought an excessive number of pledge levels.
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Good news, the post you are quoting is completely false and the posters will have minimal effect on shipping price unless you bought an excessive number of pledge levels.
Yeah, like 99% of us are getting the poster pack. It's definitely not the cause. But do check the update to see about applying for the shipping assistance grant.
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Yeah, I highly recomend sending a polite message about shipping. I sent one in asking about the shippiong charge being fairly high and asking for it to get double checked. I even said that if it was accurate I would pay it in full. Then they replaied and said it was accurate but offered me $75 off shipping (which would make it much more reasonable) or twice that in store credit. Since I regularly buy things off the store I took the credit. Much more than I was expected when I sent them the message to be honest, I wonder if they are being so barraged with vitriol and anger that a polite tone worked well.
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I did the same and messaged Catalyst and like others was given an offer of reduced shipping or store credit. I was happy with the smaller shipping discount which put it more in line with what I was expecting, very nice of them to do.
DW
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So I'm being charged $92.49 continental US shipping for the following items + the Savannah Masters:
Battalion pledge level
1 Mercenaries Box Set Exclusive
1 Map Pack: Savannahs
2 Mercenaries Forcepack: Inner Sphere Recon Lance
1 Mercenaries Forcepack: Battlefield Support Recon & Hunter Lances
1 Mercenaries Forcepack: Inner Sphere Heavy Recon Lance
1 Mercenaries Forcepack: Battlefield Support Battle & Fire Lances
1 Mercenaries Forcepack: Inner Sphere Battle Armor Platoon
1 Mercenaries Forcepack: Battlefield Support Objectives
1 Mercenaries Forcepack: Legendary MechWarriors Legendary MechWarriors III
1 Mercenaries Forcepack: Battlefield Support RIfle & Command Lances
2 Mercenaries Forcepack: Battlefield Support Heavy Battle & Sweep Lances
1 100mm Timberwolf (per backer)
1 Premium Record Sheets: Mercenaries
1 Supersized Poster Set
2 Salvage Boxes Clan Invasion (Shilone Aerospace Fighter)
2 Salvage Boxes Mercenaries (Visigoth Aerospace Fighter)
1 Salvage Box: Savannah Master [Individual]
2 Salvage Boxes Mercenaries (Blood Asp)
4 Salvage Boxes Mercenaries (BattleMechs)
1 Art of War
1 Officer's SWAG Challenge Coin Star League
1 Laser-effect "Chevron" Dice General Issue 16mm
1 Officer's SWAG Lapel Pin Clan Sea Fox
1 Graphic Novel PDF
1 Alpha Strike Bundle (Reward)
1 Core Rulebook Choice (Reward) - Interstellar Operations (Alt. Eras)
1 Clan Invasion Forcepack: ComStar - Battle Level II Image
Is this a reasonable price?
All I can say is that UPS will ship 100 lbs of material anywhere in the US for 122.65.
I doubt you've even got 50 lbs there.
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It's not always about strict weight, but often about dimensional "weight." If a package doesn't fit a certain size, it gets expensive fast, and that's up to the shipping company (USPS, UPS, FedEx, DHL, whatever).
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Yeah, I've been assuming all the shipping costs are due to the bulky dimensions of the Forcepack boxes, much more than the weight of them.
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Do you apply for shipping assistance from the backer kit survey page or the Kickstarter page?
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Do you apply for shipping assistance from the backer kit survey page or the Kickstarter page?
I sent them a message by the main page of the kickstarter. Click on the "Catalyst Game Labs" under the Created by section then click "Contact me."
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They will get back to you - takes maybe a day or so. I just heard back this AM, and I am pleased with the offer.
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Thanks all, request made.
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I also put in a request. We'll see what the reply is.
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Who do you email??
Just want to make sure and try and see if any thing lowers.
Thanks in advance
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Who do you email??
Just want to make sure and try and see if any thing lowers.
Thanks in advance
You are supposed to use Kickstarter's DM system, go to the Battletech Mercenaries page on Kickstarter, where it says "Created By" click on "Catalyst Games" then in the screen that comes up click on "Contact Me". Responses can take several days so be ready to wait.
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You are supposed to use Kickstarter's DM system, go to the Battletech Mercenaries page on Kickstarter, where it says "Created By" click on "Catalyst Games" then in the screen that comes up click on "Contact Me". Responses can take several days so be ready to wait.
Many Thanks
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I'm now getting charged ~$108+VAT for shipping ~$1200 of product, and I'm good with that.
I'm still not happy about being charged VAT on the full value of the order when books are zero-rated in the UK, so I've messaged them to ask for the VAT to be recalculated correctly. It's only $25 difference, but that still matters.