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Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« on: 10 March 2014, 16:17:16 »
Vehicle of the Week: Magi

The Magi has a... colorful reputation among BattleTech players, to put it mildly.  It's widely regarded as the CGR-1A1 Charger of Star League vehicles for the sheer ridiculousness of running a vehicle that big that fast on a standard fusion engine.  Unlike the Charger, which has over two decades of being the go-to punchline for older players, the Magi isn't as well known, and it doesn't have the family of variants to redeem it.  Okay, it was also spared the undeniably wacky CGR-1L "upgrade" in that family, so the Magi does have one point in its favor in that particular contest.

To understand this beast, you need to look at  the Magi's history.  Actually, you need to look at its history in TRO3050U, because its history in TRO2750 reads more like a summary of a soap opera focused on military procurement than something intended to convey what the SLDF was trying to actually procure.  The Magi is Killosh Industries' response to a requirement for an infantry support vehicle in the Periphery territories in the early 28th century, although the SLDF's satisfaction with what they got was apparently mixed.  Killosh went bankrupt before Amaris launched his little coup.  This isn't a line-of-battle unit like the Manticore heavy tank, which operated in that same role during the Reunification War.  It's not intended to backstop infantry forces holding the line against BattleMechs.  The Magi's job is to be big, hard to kill without bringing real heavy weapons to bear on the problem, and extremely intimidating to anyone thinking of doing something nefarious.  It was not, at any point, to run around trying to support foot troops against genetically engineered men the size of a brown bear in hyper-advanced poewr armor, or at least it wasn't until ComStar decided to try it.  I'm not sure there's really a good reason other than the Magi's toughness and notably, the Word of Blake even introduced a new variant when they returned the Magi to the urban pacification role.  After the Jihad, between the white elephant nature of its size, the usage of the vehicle as an instrument of oppression by the Word, and the fact that honestly, it's a bit of a challenge to find roles that smaller, cheaper units can't do just as well (or better), the Magi was finally retired.  And there was much rejoicing.

At 70 tons, this is an urban patrol vehicle on a scale only a Lyran or an SLDF procurement officer could love.  The Magi's beating heart and biggest albatross is the massive Magna 350 fusion plant that eats up 44.5 tons.  Adding in the controls and structural tonnage, that leaves all of 15 tons for armor and weapons.  For scale, let's compare that to the 40 ton Myrmidon's raw numbers.  On a 200-rated fusion plant giving it the speed to pace a Magi, the Myrmidon has 21 tons of armor, weapons, and turret mechanism.  This is what it means to be the SLDF.  It means that where local yokels invest in Crown Victorias or fancy up-armored Hummer equivalents, or even a 40 ton tank, you bring a 70 ton whale of a vehicle to bear because you have that much money and that kind of industrial infrastructure underneath you.  That incredible size might even be one of the Magi's selling points when you start talking about the SLDF's goal of reminding Periphery populations to behave.  The armor is quite tough, especially without the distraction of a turret, 9.5 tons of ferro-fibrous arranged 44/43/40 with CASE making the Magi a notably tough critter.  That's another selling point.  The kind of low intensity conflicts the SLDF was trying to deal with might fry one of those piss-ant 10 ton APCs the infantry jocks were riding around in but that's not much of an accomplishment even for civilians with improvised weaponry.  You're not going to kill a Magi quickly unless you're willing to bring some serious weaponry to bear.  The IEDs are just going to annoy the crew.  That's probably also why they were tracked.  Tracked vehicles are harder to disable than wheeled ones.  Sure, you can drop a building on a Magi, but it'd better be a big one.  Small buildings are just going to annoy the crew.  When you remember that you're looking at an urban suppression unit, the incredibly light weaponry also makes sense.  Three medium lasers (one mounted forward and one on each flank) and two machine guns with a half-ton of ammo aren't going to make 'Mechs half the Magi's size blink.  There's just not enough concentrated punch to do anything quickly but that's not the Magi's job, either.  If the SLDF wanted to pound someone flat in an urban area, they'd drop a lance of Victors in.  The Magi is a different tool for a different purpose.  Against disorganized mobs, a Magi is intimidating and scary, and if they need to bring lethal force to bear, they can do it without having to worry about accidentally dropping a building in the process.

The Word of Blake looked at the Magi and said, “Yeah, a super-sized armored car is nice, but we need more.”  They got more by building their own new Magi for the first time since before the fall of the Star League.  Considering that Killosh went out of business, it's not clear where the factory line actually is, but this is definitely a factory-level refit or a brand new model considering that the first thing the Word's techs did was replace the engine with a 350 light fusion engine, freeing up an incredible 10.5 tons.  The next stop was their local BlakeShack for a C3i module to take advantage of the speed and armor.  Two more machine guns and a half-ton of ammo were added, with all four MGs mounted in an array.  Finally, the remaining six tons went to an infantry compartment large enough to move a Level I of battle armor (medium or lower under TO rules) or a full-sized Level I foot platoon with plenty of room to spare.  Since this was intended to move BA, my suspicion is that stuffing regular infantry in might result in the Word's answer to the Galleon Clown Car, but the rules don't actually stop you.  Overall, this is a much more flexible, genuinely useful variant and while the Word intended it as an urban combat support vehicle, the Magi (UCSV) could be pressed into service as a heavy C3i spotter or BA taxi in other terrain.  Don't confuse it for an IFV, though – any increase in firepower other than the machine guns comes from the rest of the Level II using its C3i data.

Okay, so I've made my argument that this is a ludicrously over-sized Hogarthian exercise in urban pacification instead of a bewilderingly pointless procurement decision because the ferro-fibrous armor was shiny.  What do you do with the Magi when you're not oppressing the locals proclaiming the glory of the Star League?  The Magi is big, tough, fairly sporty, and not very well armed at all.  That usually means you want to play spotter.  Until they figure it out, your opponent will probably have better things to shoot at, and once they do figure it out, that's where that ferro-fibrous armor comes in handy.  Besides, at the end of the day, the Magi is there to work with the infantry, and under SLDF doctrine, guess who owns the field guns?  For the Word, this goes double, but you may want to get the BA into ambush positions first.

References: The Master Unit List is a great first stop, revealing that the FRR was apparently desperate enough to take some Magis from their ComStar sugar daddies benefactors.  The Word of Blake is the only faction represented by a Magi on CamoSpecs.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #1 on: 10 March 2014, 16:35:29 »
Hm, do the Lyran Magi still use SpinnaZ on the road wheels?

Honestly the Charger comparison is far too apt.  Well armored, very fast for its size, capable of nasty physical attacks, and...a popgun gunline otherwise.  It's not AS bad as the CGR-1A1's 2.5 ton "arsenal" but well...you're not going to be taking out much.

I think it's an intimidation weapon, pure and simple.  Considering the brand of lasers, well, one can imagine the kinds of aesthetic grotesquery that would decorate their sides when the officers are off-world.  And if I read Sarna correctly and see that it was used for Periphery unrest, well, that makes some sense.  Use it purely as a morale-masher, run over the occasional jaywalking civilian and make sure everyone see those machine guns.  The lasers are there for when someone sticks some armor plate on a pickup and needs a photon pimpslap; the sheer size is just to intimidate the population and in the freshly-repaved streets remind them who's boss.

Seriously, I'd mod the treads to have stamps, just so that every eight inches it leaves a little "STAR LEAGUE LOVES YOU YEAH" in the ferrocrete.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #2 on: 10 March 2014, 16:58:10 »
To me, the best usage of a Magi is kinda like a not-as-atrocilicious Ignis, or a modern Assault Breacher Vehicle. The infantry find a building infested by rebels, and call in the Magi. It rorars up to full speed, and smashes its way into said building, then fires at anyone inside with the lasers and MGs. Meanwhile, while the occupants are distracted by the armored whale that just invited itself into their den, the hole it made is used as a convenient point of entry for a few platoons of foot troops to mop up anyone the Magi missed.

The Magi is one of the few vehicles I'd actually take into the teeth of infantry fire, as the tracked chassis, heavy armor, and loads of spare MP means that even a solid infantry salvo into the tank's side is unlikely to disable it, and the followup troops means that they likely won't get a second chance.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #3 on: 10 March 2014, 17:03:13 »
Seriously, I'd mod the treads to have stamps, just so that every eight inches it leaves a little "STAR LEAGUE LOVES YOU YEAH" in the ferrocrete.

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The ready availability of other MBT suggests why no-one ever took the logical step of downgrading the engine, as per its spiritual brethren the Charger or Banshee. The WoB variant is logical enough as a command vehicle - you wouldn't use it to carry a Level I of Infiltrators for covert deployment - but it doesn't take much to come up with a Brummbar or JSU-152 variant, which may have been more useful for the Blakeists in the final days of the Jihad.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #4 on: 10 March 2014, 17:27:04 »
Frankly, my first thought when I saw it was "fast cav CEV" but any realistically useful equipment is just way too heavy for the five-ton load.  Maybe the SLDF used the thing as a poster child for the need for XLFEs in tanks.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #5 on: 10 March 2014, 17:57:06 »
Frankly, my first thought when I saw it was "fast cav CEV" but any realistically useful equipment is just way too heavy for the five-ton load.  Maybe the SLDF used the thing as a poster child for the need for XLFEs in tanks.
A better question is why this thing doesn't have an XLFE, it it, after all, all about bling

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #6 on: 10 March 2014, 19:42:47 »
Frankly, my first thought when I saw it was "fast cav CEV" but any realistically useful equipment is just way too heavy for the five-ton load.  Maybe the SLDF used the thing as a poster child for the need for XLFEs in tanks.

Kind of telling that it didn't get a Royal version, I think.

EDIT: In more seriousness, I'm having a hard time thinking of what a Royal version could do without breaking its role as a "Go home before we get annoyed" wagon.

EDIT 2: One more thought on the Magi's, ah, design eccentricities. It doesn't seem it would be worthwhile to try and capture one if you're a restless native. You wouldn't need Star League tech to reliably put one down if turned against you.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #7 on: 10 March 2014, 20:30:31 »
I wish Magi had gotten some love from TacOps, to allow its other medium lasers to be able be used with help of Sponson Turrets.  If a vehicle needed them, this big boy certainally did.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #8 on: 10 March 2014, 21:18:32 »
A couple seasons ago Mythbusters took on the old saying "You can't polish a turd" and busted it.



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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #9 on: 10 March 2014, 23:25:16 »
Dunno about a royal version, but a postmodern unit with...oh, an XLFE, CERMLs and APGRs...and more armor and an armored motive system.  Still a Magi, even more a pain in the butt.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #10 on: 11 March 2014, 14:35:36 »
Wasn't the original fluff that it started out as essentially a testbed for FF armor on vehicles? And then just kept rolling, kind of?

A Royal Magi, using an XLFE, a big forward gun, and an infantry compartment, doesn't feel out of place to me. Breacher vehicle deluxe!

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #11 on: 11 March 2014, 15:42:03 »
I've always liked the Magi, though, like the Zahn, its one of those designs whose tonnage makes you pause before taking it.

The other thing that makes me pause is the lack of turret. Sure, the design's medium lasers face to the Front and Sides, but the machine guns (even in the later Blakist variant), only face to the front. For city fighting, this can be a pretty heavy detriment. Under TW rules, with the infantry rules, the medium lasers are even worse off covering your flank.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #12 on: 11 March 2014, 16:19:51 »
I've always liked the Magi, though, like the Zahn, its one of those designs whose tonnage makes you pause before taking it.

The other thing that makes me pause is the lack of turret. Sure, the design's medium lasers face to the Front and Sides, but the machine guns (even in the later Blakist variant), only face to the front. For city fighting, this can be a pretty heavy detriment. Under TW rules, with the infantry rules, the medium lasers are even worse off covering your flank.

I've long pondered the simple change of switching the MGs and side-mounted lasers to give infantry protection on the flanks, and a three-laser 'hello' to the front. But at the end of the day, that only mildly polishes the turd- this thing just is too much engine on too big of a tank. Proof that even the SLDF got stupid once in a while (see: Cameron-class for further examples).
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #13 on: 11 March 2014, 16:28:27 »
I wish Magi had gotten some love from TacOps, to allow its other medium lasers to be able be used with help of Sponson Turrets.  If a vehicle needed them, this big boy certainally did.

This is really your highest priority for a sponson upgrade? ???  The Magi is in far less desperate need of sponsons than the Puma is.  Side-facing medium lasers in an urban combat vehicle actually make a kind of sense and the Magi isn't really intended to go toe-to-toe with other armored vehicles anyway.  Side-facing LRM 20s in a main battle tank that should be facing the enemy at the kind of range take a lot more explaining.  (And by explaining, I mean alcohol.)

Wasn't the original fluff that it started out as essentially a testbed for FF armor on vehicles? And then just kept rolling, kind of?

A Royal Magi, using an XLFE, a big forward gun, and an infantry compartment, doesn't feel out of place to me. Breacher vehicle deluxe!

It's not even that coherent, which is why I was so utterly dismissive of the TRO2750 fluff in the article.  TRO2750 just said the RFP was "tank with ferro-fibrous armor" and then it went into a bit of procurement soap opera about a scandal but an investigation couldn't find any reason for undue influence.  The SLDF just kind of wound up using it as an infantry support vehicle.  It's pretty clearly not a ferro-fibrous prototype even going by just the dates in TRO2750 itself, where it's directly stated that the Magi entered production in 2727.  The Burke, which dates back to the Reunification War, uses ferro-fibrous armor.  So do the Thor (production 2680) and Zephyr (introduced in the 2620s).

As GWA commented when he covered the Magi, the 22 tons you get with an XLFE makes an XLFE Magi a completely different vehicle.  I'm not going to speculate there.  Odds are the SLDF just didn't see a need to invest that kind of money in what they definitely considered a second-line unit, especially with the Royal Demon available.  They didn't upgrade a lot of their second line or limited use hardware but because most of it isn't part of that set that's really highlighted as an SLDF unit (mainly what's in TRO2750), it looks more unusual than it really is.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #14 on: 11 March 2014, 17:00:18 »
This is really your highest priority for a sponson upgrade? ???  The Magi is in far less desperate need of sponsons than the Panther is.  Side-facing medium lasers in an urban combat vehicle actually make a kind of sense and the Magi isn't really intended to go toe-to-toe with other armored vehicles anyway.  Side-facing LRM 20s in a main battle tank that should be facing the enemy at the kind of range take a lot more explaining.  (And by explaining, I mean alcohol.)
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #15 on: 11 March 2014, 17:07:26 »
...I don't usually do this, but...

take a lot more explaining.  (And by explaining, I mean alcohol.)

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #16 on: 11 March 2014, 17:18:09 »
This is really your highest priority for a sponson upgrade? ???  The Magi is in far less desperate need of sponsons than the Panther is.  Side-facing medium lasers in an urban combat vehicle actually make a kind of sense and the Magi isn't really intended to go toe-to-toe with other armored vehicles anyway.  Side-facing LRM 20s in a main battle tank that should be facing the enemy at the kind of range take a lot more explaining.  (And by explaining, I mean alcohol.)
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #17 on: 11 March 2014, 18:47:50 »
Moonsword, I think you mean Puma, not Panther

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #18 on: 12 March 2014, 05:53:03 »
"Galleon Clown Car"  Don't tell me that someone turned a Galleon into an APC :s Its the size of a Mini :s  And this article finally makes the Magi make sense in my head. I thought it was a huge white elephant but an urban pacification unit makes a LOT of sense.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #19 on: 12 March 2014, 10:52:59 »
"Galleon Clown Car"  Don't tell me that someone turned a Galleon into an APC :s Its the size of a Mini :s

the Galleon Maxwell.. XL engine, armored motive system, sponson turreted SPL's and MG's, turreted ML, 4 ton infantry bay intended for battlearmor.

jihad era design produced on the planet Maxwell for the dutchy of Tamarind in the former FWL.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #20 on: 12 March 2014, 11:12:24 »
Well now that's an idea actually... an XL engine means you really could get another couple of MGs (it's urban fighting, right?) and a big honking infantry bay on this thing. What's better for urban pacification than dumping a big load of soldiers in amongst the rioters? The SLDF didn't use battle armor, obviously, but the amount of standard infantry in this thing would be pretty impressive.

...But, alas, instead we're still stuck with the two canon versions, neither of which I would trust to fight off a decently-piloted bug Mech. Pity.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #21 on: 12 March 2014, 11:17:11 »
Not one mention of charging with this thing?  That's the best weapon it has.  70 tons of tracked metal.
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« Reply #22 on: 12 March 2014, 11:36:55 »
Not one mention of charging with this thing?  That's the best weapon it has.  70 tons of tracked metal.

That's a decent option as well, true enough. Aim at an Archer's legs, drop the pedal, and hope the airbags work.  ^-^
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #23 on: 12 March 2014, 13:30:51 »
One thought I have that you can do with the Magi is put some flamers on it. There was a mech or vehicle (I really want to say the Firestarter) that the tanks used to hold the flamer gel could be swapped out for alternative liquids. If that is the case, then you tell the urban rioters to have a drink from the SLDF fire hose.

Another option for a role as an urban combat vehicle is to put TAG and Beagle Active Probe on the thing and give the Magi an ability to locate insurgents and call in artillery for situations that it and the infantry can't handle...
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #24 on: 12 March 2014, 14:03:01 »
One thought I have that you can do with the Magi is put some flamers on it. There was a mech or vehicle (I really want to say the Firestarter) that the tanks used to hold the flamer gel could be swapped out for alternative liquids. If that is the case, then you tell the urban rioters to have a drink from the SLDF fire hose.

Another option for a role as an urban combat vehicle is to put TAG and Beagle Active Probe on the thing and give the Magi an ability to locate insurgents and call in artillery for situations that it and the infantry can't handle...

Not as big on your second option, since there's so little space on this thing anyway- we're only devoting five tons to weapons and ammo as it is, I'd hate to cut into that further with electronics! If we go the XL motor route, sure, but if we do that we might as well use something better anyway.

HOWEVER. Your first idea has a lot going for it, actually. I like the idea a lot- flamers are heavier than MGs, sadly, so we either drop to one flamer in place of the MGs or have to shave some armor to get another one on. I'd also like more ammo for it- if we're going to have the ability to use flamer fuel or other options (I think it was the coolant truck that mentioned the option to switch fuel types), it would be good to be able to switch. But that might be worth losing some armor to gain that kind of flexibility. I like it!

(One note- vehicle flamers can switch fuel types, but since a Mech-style flamer taps from the fusion engine rather than using napalm, they wouldn't be able to do this. So Firestarters being turned into fireFIGHTERS seem to be out.)

Also, if this variant somehow ever gets made, I demand that the writers make the unique pilot Sgt. Stanley Spadowski. Fire hose for ALL!  ^-^
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #25 on: 12 March 2014, 16:43:34 »
Also, if this variant somehow ever gets made, I demand that the writers make the unique pilot Sgt. Stanley Spadowski. Fire hose for ALL!  ^-^

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #26 on: 13 March 2014, 02:12:07 »
the Galleon Maxwell.. XL engine, armored motive system, sponson turreted SPL's and MG's, turreted ML, 4 ton infantry bay intended for battlearmor.

jihad era design produced on the planet Maxwell for the dutchy of Tamarind in the former FWL.

...how the hell did they fit them in there :s  The Galleon's a small machine and with its XL engine its going to have even less room internally. it says on Sarna it was designed as a BA carrier, did they lash them to the outside as wildly inappropriate (and probably screaming in fear) ablative armour?

Also Re side mounted weapons, I always thought they could fire to the front and they were on a sponson like mounting to allow them to swing out to cover the flanks.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #27 on: 13 March 2014, 10:52:31 »
...how the hell did they fit them in there :s  The Galleon's a small machine and with its XL engine its going to have even less room internally. it says on Sarna it was designed as a BA carrier, did they lash them to the outside as wildly inappropriate (and probably screaming in fear) ablative armour?
You think that's bad, the unit's fluff describes a video going viral that shows an attempt to fit a conventional infantry platoon in there... ;D
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Also Re side mounted weapons, I always thought they could fire to the front and they were on a sponson like mounting to allow them to swing out to cover the flanks.
My group used to house-rule that, but no, they don't. The firing arcs of side-mounted weapons is essentially the empty space between the front and rear arcs, with no overlap at all. Kinda sucks, but that's why actual sponson turrets are a legitimate piece of gear.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #28 on: 13 March 2014, 14:32:37 »
You think that's bad, the unit's fluff describes a video going viral that shows an attempt to fit a conventional infantry platoon in there... ;D

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Magi
« Reply #29 on: 13 March 2014, 14:35:16 »
XTRO Marik, I think?
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