The *literally* Never-Seen

[BATTLEMASTER]

I'm guessing Nat is surrounded by shot up robots because a bunch of dead soldiers would be a little more ghoulish and a little less interesting visually.

Unless it's obvious it's all her fault?

[dgorsman]

Why do I have this idea the person-sized ones are target droids for training?  Bad memory?  Was that ever a thing?

[beachhead1985]

Why do I have this idea the person-sized ones are target droids for training?  Bad memory?  Was that ever a thing?

Yes; in one of the early books; Warrior Trilogy, I think.

[SteelRaven]

Think one appears again in BoK trilogy. Never thought of it scene being of a training ground of sorts full of scapped parts makes allot of sense.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

I forget, were the original Clan battlesuits mentioned in this thread?

[Wrangler]

Hmm not sure, i don't think it was.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

There was IIRC the Rhino and three others?

[Wrangler]

There was IIRC the Rhino and three others?

nope, i checked TRO: 3058U and Record Sheets: Vehicle Annex, IndustrialMechs & Exoskeletons. Nothing mentioned anything about them.
I'm trying to remember where else they could have been mentioned or published.

I suspect if were possible to get reprieve, it be likely in TRO: Golden Century & whatever Record Sheet book (if not attached to the TRO which would be awesome.) since it's right time period for them to show up.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

There's a reference to environmental and mission-specific suits that predate the Elemental.

[Colt Ward]

Did we ever get the underwater mining suit the Elemental was based off of?

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

I don't think so.

[mbear]

Did we ever get the underwater mining suit the Elemental was based off of?

I think the Undine has some info about it, but not stats.

[Colt Ward]

Well, the Undine is also based off the originator and in some ways is closer due to its underwater use/operation . . . but it is still not.  Heck, with TRO VA did we even get a underwater use power armor?

[truetanker]

If it works in space, it works underwater.

TT

[hoosierhick]

If it works in space, it works underwater.

TT

Maybe.  It would depend on the seals (keeping air in vs keeping water out) and pressure from the water depth.

[Colt Ward]

Yeah . . . I was going to say for maybe the first 100 feet under water . . . but after that, when you start getting more than one atmo of pressure?  Leaving aside movement, it would be easier to adapt a LA class sub to function in space than it would to put a Space Shuttle at the sub's operational depth.

[dgorsman]

Space thrusters are most certainly not UMUs.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Water rules state that BA can survive just fine so long as their life support holds out and they don't fall to crush depth, but unless the suits have UMUs they're so slow and clumsy underwater that they're not really useful.

[Colt Ward]

Yeah, had some fun when someone once tried to swarm a jumping mech within jump range of a depth 2 puddle.  I am not even sure they stayed attached after the jump, but they were mission killed in that puddle either way.

[Wrangler]

Well, Aerie are intended for space use and they only have the Extended Life support that stands out as being different the standard Battle Armor.  Heck i remember Elemental Battle Armor did armed boarding on about one of the Kurita Navy's Warships in novel Test of Vengeance during the First Combine-Dominion War. 

I am pretty sure that there hasn't been anything printed or mentioned yet about early Battle Armor. The Era Digest: Golden Century would have been closest things published to that time frame with units. All that stuff was mecha, single Aerospace fighter and stats for the the Warship, Mongoose QuickSilver, which is the only printed record sheet of a Du Shi Wang Warship I'm aware of.

[Deadborder]

There's an illustration in an old FASA book of heavy aquatic suits in action which I suspect are meant to be the Elemental precursor suit. I forget which one it was, but I think it was the Clans: Warriors of Kerensky

Here's another one for the list; the TRO3058U description of the Gnome mentions an early Clan suit called the Rhino. All we know about it is that it's more akin to the Kanazuchi then anything else

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

I knew I'd seen a Rhino Battle Armor suit mentioned somewhere.

[Hellraiser]

Why do I have this idea the person-sized ones are target droids for training?  Bad memory?  Was that ever a thing?

Yes; in one of the early books; Warrior Trilogy, I think.

Think one appears again in BoK trilogy. Never thought of it scene being of a training ground of sorts full of scapped parts makes allot of sense.

It was BOK trilogy.

It was also on Outreach coincidentally.  2nd book.

During the conference of all the Nobles & training that comes after.

We see Hanse & Teddy & Justin & maybe a 4th? are going through a Training Exercise infantry move/fire range.

As they are walking away a droid pops up & "malfunctions" after they have unloaded their weapons.  Justin takes it out with his Wrist Laser.

The Range Master apologizes, but, they all wonder if it wasn't intentional to drive home the training & how serious the clans are.

[SteelRaven]

Also, think Jim Holloway just liked that scene as he used it at least one other time in the steam punk setting
https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/015/356/557/25b7d12429d027436f5c1ce7e5ffc645_original.jpg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=680&fit=max&v=1485927913&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=d71bd47169e0acdd7a28fbf9d21961d2

[RanFelsnerAFFS]

Also, think Jim Holloway just liked that scene as he used it at least one other time in the steam punk setting
https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/015/356/557/25b7d12429d027436f5c1ce7e5ffc645_original.jpg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=680&fit=max&v=1485927913&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=d71bd47169e0acdd7a28fbf9d21961d2

Has to be Nat's alter ego. Even has the trademark black widow hourglass...

[SteelRaven]

Has to be Nat's alter ego. Even has the trademark black widow hourglass...

It was defiantly a nod to us Battletech fans :)

[Hellraiser]

Has to be Nat's alter ego. Even has the trademark black widow hourglass...

That's not an alter ego.

That's rare footage of Nat on vacation to Canopus.

[beachhead1985]

I shall add the Rhino and Evironmentally-specialized pre-Elemental BAs. Great suggestions!

Edit: Already had the Rhino, added the rest!

[Hellraiser]

If I can get more info on the Hussar with the 2 MLs I will add that too.

So I found my old thread in the Ask the Writers section.

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=944.0

Apparently I came across it in the fluff section of the Hussar in HMPro.

The text was mentioned as coming from TRO:3050-Revised.

Unfortunately I don't have that TRO to confirm it,  Just 3050 1st Ed & 3050 Upgrade.

Maybe if someone has a 3050R they can confirm.

[Cache]

Maybe if someone has a 3050R they can confirm.

Page 64, last paragraph...

The SLDF also created a variant of the Hussar that mounts two Maxell medium lasers and doubles the 'Mech's armor, giving it much-needed protection in closer-range combat situations.