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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #780 on: 18 March 2018, 04:47:23 »
Weight should be 1.5 tons for one squad, they're Paratroopers.  AS card is correct.

Cool, so paratroopers are 1.5 tons, then... does that include Tau Wraiths, as they have PARA... in addition, in the list part, where it shows all of the infantry, both are listed at 1 ton, there.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #781 on: 21 March 2018, 16:37:34 »
I don't own a copy of TRO 3085, so I'm not able to verify with an official source, but Sarna states that the armament of an LGB-8V Longbow is two Arrow IV's with 8 tons of ammo and a single pulse laser, while the MUL Entry gives it the ARTAIS-2 special and far more firepower (and an OV value) than could be gained by a single pulse laser of any type could grant.

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« Reply #782 on: 21 March 2018, 16:50:53 »
Sarna is incorrect.
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« Reply #783 on: 23 March 2018, 22:55:28 »
Sarna entry has been corrected now stating that the Longbow 8V has 2 Medium Pulse Lasers, 1 ER Large, 10 rounds of missiles per launcher for the two Arrow IVs.  Battle value is from Record Sheet, which matches MUL entry.
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« Reply #784 on: 03 April 2018, 01:50:36 »
These IndustrialMechs exist in the Reunification War book, but the MUL dates have them as being made after the war's conclusion. They are anachronisms.

BC Buster XV (Standard)
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #785 on: 05 April 2018, 17:33:03 »
Genadier II D battle armor lists the Tube Artillery special as ART-BA
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7393/grenadier-ii-battle-armor-d

while the Centaur Battle Armor lists the ability as ARTBA-1
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6651/centaur-battle-armor-standard

Also, I don't believe Battle Armor Tube artillery is experimental tech any longer, so both units should be advanced and not experimental tech base if I'm correct? (Ref, Tac Ops pg. 284 lists them as Advanced, not experimental).


Xotl: Corrected.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #786 on: 04 May 2018, 17:15:27 »
All Revenant variants have wrong identifier. The core model is correctly listed as UBM-2R. All the other variants are listed as UM-2R*. According to TRO:3145 and RS:3145 Unabridged, this is incorrect. Variants should be listed as UBM-2R*.


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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #787 on: 09 May 2018, 07:57:29 »
page 102 of '3039 unabridged record sheets' has the BV for the Condor (Davion) at 577 but the MUL has 592, which one is correct?

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #788 on: 09 May 2018, 11:57:03 »
BV rules have had errata since 3039 Unabridged was released.  The MUL is much easier to update than the record sheet PDFs.
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« Reply #789 on: 24 June 2018, 20:47:20 »
bump - any opinion on modified availability for the -K?

Any thoughts on the availability of the -K model fire starter for SW era?

Given the 'Mirage' had only one year of production and is available to Steiner in Late SW plus the TRO has the only model not in production is the -A variant. The -H variant was described as the dominant production model.
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« Reply #790 on: 25 June 2018, 00:21:56 »
Any thoughts on the availability of the -K model fire starter for SW era?

Given the 'Mirage' had only one year of production and is available to Steiner in Late SW plus the TRO has the only model not in production is the -A variant. The -H variant was described as the dominant production model.

The statement that "one variant that has ceased production" is not meant to imply it is the only variant that has ceased production.  It also says "a number of variants..were built during the period Argile still operated on Skye.."  Argile was destroyed on Skye during the 3rd Succession War, so all the Firestarters from Argile ceased production.  The later statement that one variant ceased production "during hte period Argile still operated on Skye" can't possibly mean Argile was still producing any Firestarter variant after the factory was destroyed. So it also can't mean the -K was still in production.
The -K was never made by Coventry, and Argile only produced a very few post-2703. Perhaps there's still a handful somewhere, but it's questionable. Extinct is a better answer than saying any specific faction has any.  IE. It would be less misleading to continue saying extinct than to change the answer.
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« Reply #791 on: 25 June 2018, 10:30:04 »
Question on the availability of the DRG-1G Grand Dragon - listed in the MUL as introduced in 3024.  Were those just field refits, or did LAW start making the design at that point?  I ask because, in "Warrior: Riposte," Yorinaga Kurita's son recounts using a freshly manufactured Grand Dragon he was taking out for a shakedown run at an Alshain 'Mech factory to drive off bandits who had come to the factory to steal Panthers.

Did Alshain Weapons manufacture the Grand Dragon in the 3020s, then close the line before 3054 (when Objective Raids was published)?  (Per Objective Raids, their ER PPC line on Tok Do supplies that component to LAW on Luthien for construction.)
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #792 on: 26 June 2018, 02:17:48 »
The statement that "one variant that has ceased production" is not meant to imply it is the only variant that has ceased production.  It also says "a number of variants..were built during the period Argile still operated on Skye.."  Argile was destroyed on Skye during the 3rd Succession War, so all the Firestarters from Argile ceased production.  The later statement that one variant ceased production "during hte period Argile still operated on Skye" can't possibly mean Argile was still producing any Firestarter variant after the factory was destroyed. So it also can't mean the -K was still in production.
The -K was never made by Coventry, and Argile only produced a very few post-2703. Perhaps there's still a handful somewhere, but it's questionable. Extinct is a better answer than saying any specific faction has any.  IE. It would be less misleading to continue saying extinct than to change the answer.

Hello, I appreciate your response and all the volunteers on here are awesome.

The only thing I would add is that based on your thoughts above, then the 'Mirage' variant would also be considered extinct. From 2703 to 2893 approximately 7790 -H Firestarters (190 years multiplied by 41 mechs* per year) were built at Argyle prior to factory destruction then the 41 Mirage models produced account for 0.5%.....by definition extinct.

If it is not considered extinct then the -K model would have had 190 years of potentially sporadic production and also maintains the same armour profile as the -H model.

Anyway....just thoughts.

*You can work out mechs per year as TRO3025 states 3000 Firestarters were produced between 2703 and 2776
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #794 on: 01 July 2018, 09:44:03 »
The Warhammer IIC 10 and 11 and the Marauder IIC 8 have clearly too early intro dates.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6859/warhammer-iic-10 2938
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6858/warhammer-iic-11 2938
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2072/marauder-iic-8 3025

They are old models that the IS didn’t learn of till much later.
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« Reply #795 on: 02 July 2018, 11:55:57 »
They are old models that the IS didn’t learn of till much later.

The Warhammer IIC 11 uses heavy lasers though.

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« Reply #796 on: 03 July 2018, 19:03:41 »
The Centurion CNT-1A fighter from Record Sheets: 3075 Unabridged - Age of War pg. 131 is overweight by 2 tons and Megamek is rejecting it as an illegal design.  Hammer may have brought this unit up already?

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Fuel: 5.00
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« Reply #797 on: 03 July 2018, 21:16:29 »
That should go to the Record Sheets 3075 errata thread.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #798 on: 04 July 2018, 08:26:21 »
The Warhammer IIC 11 uses heavy lasers though.

Excellent point, and RS 3145 lists both as Dark Age.  Kicking this to the team to see what needs to be fixed. Thanks.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #799 on: 04 July 2018, 15:21:05 »
The Ursa URA-2A and Ursa URA-2C have faction availabilities listed for the Early Republic era.  However, the 'Mechs were introduced in the Late Republic era (3122 and 3125 respectively) and did not exist during the Early Republic era.

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« Reply #800 on: 04 July 2018, 18:10:45 »
The Ursa URA-2A and Ursa URA-2C have faction availabilities listed for the Early Republic era.  However, the 'Mechs were introduced in the Late Republic era (3122 and 3125 respectively) and did not exist during the Early Republic era.

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« Reply #801 on: 13 July 2018, 14:39:44 »
The Puma Assault Tank PAT-007 has faction availabilities listed for the Civil War era.  However, the tank was not introduced until 3069 and did not exist during the Civil War era.
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« Reply #802 on: 13 July 2018, 14:41:10 »
The Puma Assault Tank PAT-007 has faction availabilities listed for the Civil War era.  However, the tank was not introduced until 3069 and did not exist during the Civil War era.

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« Reply #803 on: 21 July 2018, 09:55:06 »
MUL has the introduction date for the Blackjack BJ-3 as 3042 yet the description in the TRO says it was produced during the 4th SW by the St Ives Compact which would put the latest production date as 3030.

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« Reply #804 on: 21 July 2018, 11:10:17 »
MUL has the introduction date for the Blackjack BJ-3 as 3042 yet the description in the TRO says it was produced during the 4th SW by the St Ives Compact which would put the latest production date as 3030.
The blackjack history was a mess of conflicting information. We put a different blackjack as the experiment during the 4th sw, it is intentionally not the -3.
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« Reply #805 on: 22 July 2018, 19:46:35 »
Corsair CSR-V12b
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« Reply #806 on: 29 July 2018, 07:35:18 »
i think both AS cards for the Anzu are incorrect.

ZU-G60

should not have OV2.
heat dissipation is 20, maximum heat is 26*
running the math for OV calculation gives OV0 for short range and OV1 for medium range

unmodified damage is 2.675 / 3.1 / 2.6

OV1 would make this 2 / 3 / 3 final damage

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8   (2x4 [Ultra10]
4   (LRM10)
5   (Er Med)
5   (LightPPC w/capacitor)
4   (jump)

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ZU-J70

is statted with damage 4 / 3 / 1 with OV1

only long range weapon is a MML7, which deals 0.4 damage at long range, which should translate to 0* long range damage.

heat dissipation is 20, max heat is 31*
running the math for OV calculation gives OV1 for short range and OV2 for medium range

unmodified damage is 4.6 / 4.05 / 0.4

OV2 would make this 3 / 3 / 0* final damage

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4   (MML7)
2   (ER Small)
5   (ER Med)
10   (Snubnose PPC)
4   (jump)

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note: i do not have the record sheets, so maybe i missed something. it would be great if someone could check my calculations.

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« Reply #807 on: 29 July 2018, 16:11:12 »
 I'm almost certain that the capacitor on the LPPC is to blame for the first variant (whether there's an error or not that's where it's going to be) because there's a fair chance it's going to contribute 10 heat instead of 5.

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« Reply #808 on: 29 July 2018, 17:36:05 »
Alright, had a chance to review the conversions.  You're entirely correct on the G60.  It should have OV1 instead of OV2.

On the J70 there is a problem, but not exactly the way you describe.  The unmodified damage is correct, but OV2 doesn't mean "reduce short range damage by 2", it still uses the heat-modified damage and rounds normally.  A short range value or 4.6 with that heat level will be reduced to 3.407, which rounds up to 4.  The long range damage will definitely end up as 0* though, for the reasons you cited.

Final damage value should be 4 / 3 / 0* with OV2.
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« Reply #809 on: 31 July 2018, 19:13:07 »
Basilisk 3 is listed as having a MV of 8"j/10"j.  This should probably be 8"/10"j.

Waneta S-WN-2LAM is listed as having an MV of 8"12"j.  This should probably be 8"/12"j.

Pollux II ADA Heavy Tank (Standard) has a special listed as ART-AIS1 (also listed in the turret).  This should probably be changed to ARTAIS-1 to match other units.

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Reaper Self-Propelled Artillery has a special listed as ART-T1.  This should probably be changed to ARTT-1 to match other units.


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