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GreekFire · « **Reply #30 on:** 29 February 2016, 09:48:23 »

More variants of the older Typhon. The speed gets invariably dropped in order to mount more equipment - but that's not to say that they don't remain quick and effective platforms. The first is a straight-up combat model.

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Typhon 2

Type: ProtoMech
Mass: 13 tons
Chassis Config: Biped Glider


================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      29 points               1300 kg
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 170                     4500 kg
    Walking MP: 1
    Running MP: 1
    WiGE Cruise MP: 8
    WiGE Flank MP: 12
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink              3			   750 kg                   
Cockpit:            Standard                                               750 kg
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -   54                2700 kg

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            7         
                                               Torso     13           25       
                                             L/R Arm     3/3          5/5         
                                                Legs     7            12   

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Damage     Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Improved Heavy Small Laser		   T1          -         1        500 kg
SRM-4					   T2          0         3       1000 kg
SRM-4					   T3          0         3       1000 kg
SRM-4 Ammo (12)				   Torso       -         -        480 kg

The second is...interesting, to say the least. It packs one hell of a punch, and works equally well against 'Mechs, vehicles or infantry. Fun fact: Arrays, when used on Protos, can link Machine Guns found throughout the entire chassis regardless of their location. The Recon Camera is there to give it some ranged utility, and I think it'd mesh pretty well with a Glider. If that's not your cup of tea, replace it with a Light TAG.

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Typhon 3

Type: ProtoMech
Mass: 13 tons
Chassis Config: Biped Glider


================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      31 points               1300 kg
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 170                     4500 kg
    Walking MP: 1
    Running MP: 1
    WiGE Cruise MP: 8
    WiGE Flank MP: 12
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink              0			     0 kg                   
Cockpit:            Standard                                               750 kg
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -   62                3100 kg

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            7         
                                               Torso     13           25       
                                             L/R Arm     3/3          6/6         
                                                Legs     7            12  
					    Main Gun 	 2	      6

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Damage     Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Recon Camera				   MG          -         -        500 kg
Heavy Machine Gun Array 		   T3	       -         -        250 kg
Heavy Machine Gun*			   T1          0         3        500 kg
Heavy Machine Gun*			   T2          0         3        500 kg
Heavy Machine Gun*			   LA          0         3        500 kg
Heavy Machine Gun*			   RA          0         3        500 kg
HMG Ammo (60)				   Torso       -         -        600 kg

GreekFire · « **Reply #31 on:** 29 February 2016, 10:00:57 »

My final Proto for now, the Amarok is exactly what its name would suggest: a solitary hunter. Each is built to destroy targets either through pure damage output or through an overwhelming number of crits. The first deals with hardened targets. The second, a generalist. The third, an infantry and battle armor hunter.

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Amarok

Type: ProtoMech
Mass: 14 tons
Chassis Config: Quad

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      34 points               1400 kg
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 85                      2500 kg
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0							      	
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink              4			  1000 kg	  
Cockpit:            Standard                                               750 kg
Armor:              Standard Armor                AV -   53               2650 kg

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     4            9         
                                               Torso     14           20                
                                                Legs     14           18 
					    Main Gun     2	      6 

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Damage     Mass  
ER Small Laser				     T1	       0	 5	  500 kg
ER Small Laser				     T2	       0	 5	  500 kg
Streak SRM-2				     T3	       0	 2(x2)	 1000 kg
Streak SRM-2				     T4	       0	 2(x2)	 1000 kg
Streak SRM-2				     MG1       0	 2(x2)	 1000 kg
Streak SRM-2				     MG2       0	 2(x2)	 1000 kg
Streak SRM-2 Ammo (35)			     Torso     -         -        700 kg

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Amarok 2

Type: ProtoMech
Mass: 14 tons
Chassis Config: Quad

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      34 points               1400 kg
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 85                      2500 kg
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0							      	
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink              0			  
Cockpit:            Standard                                               750 kg
Armor:              Standard Armor                AV -   55               2750 kg

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     4            9         
                                               Torso     14           20                
                                                Legs     14           20 
					    Main Gun     2	      6 

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Damage     Mass  
AP Gauss Rifle				     T1	       0	 3	  500 kg
AP Gauss Rifle				     T2	       0	 3	  500 kg
Medium Chemical Laser			     T3	       0	 5	 1000 kg
Medium Chemical Laser			     T4	       0	 5	 1000 kg
Streak SRM-2				     MG1       0	 2(x2)	 1000 kg
Streak SRM-2				     MG2       0	 2(x2)	 1000 kg
AP Gauss Rifle Ammo (20)		     Torso     -         -     	  500 kg
Medium Chemical Laser Ammo (21)		     Torso     -         -        700 kg
Streak SRM-2 Ammo (20)			     Torso     -         -        400 kg

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Amarok 3

Type: ProtoMech
Mass: 14 tons
Chassis Config: Quad

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      34 points               1400 kg
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 60                      1500 kg
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 5							  1500 kg      	
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink              0 				  
Cockpit:            Standard                                               750 kg
Armor:              Standard Armor                AV -   45               2750 kg

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     4            7         
                                               Torso     14           16                
                                                Legs     14           16 
					    Main Gun     2	      6 

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Damage     Mass  
Light Machine Gun			     T1	       0	 1	  250 kg
Light Machine Gun			     T2	       0	 1	  250 kg
Light Machine Gun			     T3	       0	 1	  250 kg
Light Machine Gun			     T4	       0	 1	  250 kg
SRM-6					     MG1       0	 4-12	 1500 kg
SRM-6					     MG2       0	 4-12	 1500 kg
SRM-6 Ammo (30)				     Torso     -         -       1800 kg
Light Machine Gun Ammo (60)		     Torso     -         -        300 kg

GreekFire · « **Reply #32 on:** 29 February 2016, 13:09:43 »

OK, Orc variants. Its biggest flaws were its low ammo endurance and armor. We can do something about one of those, but not with the other. First option is to go the "obvious" route. Slower, but works well for striking attack and more sustained actions against slower vehicles and battle armor.

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Orc 5

Type: ProtoMech
Mass: 4 tons
Chassis Config: Biped

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      10 points                400 kg
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 24                       600 kg
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6(8)
    Jumping MP: 0 							   
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         
Cockpit:            Standard                                               500 kg
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -   22                1100 kg

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     1            4         
                                               Torso     4            8        
                                             L/R Arm     1/1          2/2         
                                                Legs     3            6         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Damage     Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SRM-1					   T1          0        2         250 kg
SRM-1					   T2          0        2         250 kg
SRM-1					   RA          0        2         250 kg
SRM-1					   LA          0        2         250 kg
SRM-1 Ammo (30)				   Torso       -        -         300 kg 
ProtoMech Myomer Booster		   Torso       -        -         100 kg

The second option is to drop an SRM rack. Vastly increased speed gives it a niche even in the era of the Procyon-Q, while it still maintains decent toughness and ammo endurance.

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Orc 6

Type: ProtoMech
Mass: 4 tons
Chassis Config: Biped

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      10 points                400 kg
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 45                      1000 kg
    Walking MP: 7
    Running MP: 11(14)
    Jumping MP: 0 							   
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         
Cockpit:            Standard                                               500 kg
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -   20                1000 kg

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     1            4         
                                               Torso     4            7        
                                             L/R Arm     1/1          2/2         
                                                Legs     3            5         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Damage     Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SRM-1					   T1          0        2         250 kg
SRM-1					   RA          0        2         250 kg
SRM-1					   LA          0        2         250 kg
SRM-1 Ammo (25)				   Torso       -        -         250 kg 
ProtoMech Myomer Booster		   Torso       -        -         100 kg

The third option would be to do something that the Procyon-Q can't, and jump. Basically drops that SRM tube for the JJs and a bit more ammo.

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Orc 7

Type: ProtoMech
Mass: 4 tons
Chassis Config: Biped

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      10 points                400 kg
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 36                       900 kg
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 6 							   
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         
Cockpit:            Standard                                               500 kg
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -   18                 900 kg

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     1            3         
                                               Torso     4            6        
                                             L/R Arm     1/1          2/2         
                                                Legs     3            5         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Damage     Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SRM-1					   T1          0        2         250 kg
SRM-1					   RA          0        2         250 kg
SRM-1					   LA          0        2         250 kg
SRM-1 Ammo (25)				   Torso       -        -         250 kg

I don't want to ditch the SRMs because of the Orc's Inferno shtick. Going the Vehicular Flamer, Plasma Cannon or Fusillade route are completely out of the question because of their weigh demands, so...SRMs it is.

truetanker · « **Reply #33 on:** 29 February 2016, 20:33:56 »

Quote from: GreekFire on 29 February 2016, 09:48:23

The Recon Camera is there to give it some ranged utility, and I think it'd mesh pretty well with a Glider. If that's not your cup of tea, replace it with a Light TAG.

The Recon Camera has a maximum range of 18 kilometers and can only be used on the Low Altitude map or ground map. Fliers equipped with a Recon Camera may act as a spotter for LRM Indirect Fire as if it were a TAG. Hidden units that are passed over by a Recon Camera-equipped flier must reveal themselves on an unsuccessful 2d6 roll. TO p.337

TT

GreekFire · « **Reply #34 on:** 29 February 2016, 21:45:12 »

Quote from: truetanker on 29 February 2016, 20:33:56

The Recon Camera has a maximum range of 18 kilometers and can only be used on the Low Altitude map or ground map. Fliers equipped with a Recon Camera may act as a spotter for LRM Indirect Fire as if it were a TAG. Hidden units that are passed over by a Recon Camera-equipped flier must reveal themselves on an unsuccessful 2d6 roll. TO p.337

TT

Yep, exactly what I was going for! Not so useful for a normal ProtoMech, but with a Glider that can hover in place and then fly over the battlefield at altitude 8 or something? Handy.

truetanker · « **Reply #35 on:** 29 February 2016, 22:16:18 »

They would make a great Recon Point working conjunction with Donar and the Asshur.

Thanks GreekFire!

TT

Kojak · « **Reply #36 on:** 01 March 2016, 00:33:22 »

I really like what you did with those Orcs (the glider Protos too, but sadly I can't use them in MegaMek yet). Any chance you could attach the .blks for the non-gliders?

spacewolflord · « **Reply #37 on:** 18 March 2016, 21:53:59 »

Greekfire all these are good designs that really get my mind thinking that Protos should be used more. Thanks for sharing.
By the way where did you find your neat looking Avatar?

GreekFire · « **Reply #38 on:** 19 March 2016, 12:46:59 »

No problem, man!
Avatar is the Siren ProtoMech, as redesigned by Iglesias. Just did a bit of coloring to make it fit with Cloud Cobra's Beta Galaxy. You can see the set here:

spacewolflord · « **Reply #39 on:** 19 March 2016, 13:43:39 »

Seeing the old vs revision versions really makes me wonder want what some of those artists were thinking. Well a lot of the old art makes me ask want they were thinking. Thank you for the picture.

Giovanni Blasini · « **Reply #40 on:** 22 March 2016, 21:23:07 »

ProtoMechs are, oddly enough, the thing I miss most playing Spheroid. These just make me more of a sad panda.

Of course, I'm lunatic enough to like the Erinyes, so there's that. Think I've been inspired to fire up Megamek Lab when I get home.

Edit: Whiiiich won't work since MegaMek Lab doesn't support Protos?

Suralin · « **Reply #41 on:** 23 March 2016, 11:34:08 »

Quote from: Giovanni Blasini on 22 March 2016, 21:23:07

ProtoMechs are, oddly enough, the thing I miss most playing Spheroid. These just make me more of a sad panda.

Don't worry, I've got you covered. :D

Back on topic, tho, these are all terrific designs! I particularly like the redesigned art, makes the Protos fit with the rest of BattleTech far more smoothly. Also that one Proto that uses Handheld weaponry, I hadn't realized that was an option for Protos.

GreekFire · « **Reply #42 on:** 23 March 2016, 20:14:54 »

Quote from: Suralin on 23 March 2016, 11:34:08

Don't worry, I've got you covered. :D

Back on topic, tho, these are all terrific designs! I particularly like the redesigned art, makes the Protos fit with the rest of BattleTech far more smoothly. Also that one Proto that uses Handheld weaponry, I hadn't realized that was an option for Protos.

Handheld weaponry is near-impossible to use well on ProtoMechs, but I fee like that design does a decent enough job.

Requiemking · « **Reply #43 on:** 23 September 2016, 10:46:49 »

You know, I actually kind of like the older art for the Protomechs. Mainly because I felt that, as a way for making up for their deficiencies, they were designed to look fearsome. Those redesigns above just look like scaled up, rather generic BA, and I don't really find that intimidating. On the other hand, if I saw a Chrysaor or a Centaur charging me down, looking like they did in the old art? My pants would turn brown and I'd GTFO like hell is coming for me personally.

I was actually thinking of creating a redesign for the Hobgoblin that would A) bring it's appearance more inline with other protomechs and B) make it a little endurant in protracted combat.

marauder648 · « **Reply #44 on:** 24 September 2016, 04:48:29 »

'ere Greek Fire, any chance of the Ravens getting a 15 tonne glider or jumper (your preference) design? Something to support their Hippogriff design and act more as a generalist than the dedicated harasser that is the Griff.

Crow · « **Reply #45 on:** 22 February 2017, 15:30:14 »

Can you make Gliders that are 2-9 tons, or is that possible only for Ultralights? I think a Hippogriff Glider would be great. You could even make a semi-useful Erinyes if it was possible to give them the Glider motive system.

CrazyGrasshopper · « **Reply #46 on:** 22 February 2017, 16:48:08 »

Quote from: GreekFire on 29 February 2016, 21:45:12

Yep, exactly what I was going for! Not so useful for a normal ProtoMech, but with a Glider that can hover in place and then fly over the battlefield at altitude 8 or something? Handy.

You are mixing up elevations and altitudes. They are not the same, 8 altitudes are much higher then 8 elevations. The ceiling for a glider Proto is 12 elevations, I am not sure if it can be counted even as 2 altitudes. Does anybody know the official altitude-elevation conversion estimate?

Cryhavok101 · « **Reply #47 on:** 22 February 2017, 17:51:55 »

Quote from: CrazyGrasshopper on 22 February 2017, 16:48:08

You are mixing up elevations and altitudes. They are not the same, 8 altitudes are much higher then 8 elevations. The ceiling for a glider Proto is 12 elevations, I am not sure if it can be counted even as 2 altitudes. Does anybody know the official altitude-elevation conversion estimate?

Off the top of my head, you can switch to either NoE or 1 altitude, at elevation 10.

wantec · « **Reply #48 on:** 24 February 2017, 09:03:54 »

Quote from: Crow on 22 February 2017, 15:30:14

Can you make Gliders that are 2-9 tons, or is that possible only for Ultralights? I think a Hippogriff Glider would be great. You could even make a semi-useful Erinyes if it was possible to give them the Glider motive system.

Per pg 100 of IO (and somewhere in WoR), Glider ProtoMechs can only be constructed from biped Ultraheavy (10-15 tons) ProtoMechs.

Crow · « **Reply #49 on:** 27 February 2017, 14:36:41 »

I was going to suggest making an EDP Erinyes, but I see you've already beat me to it. Personally, I'd ditch the MG, give it a Protomech Myomer Booster and up the armor.

Another idea is to strip everything out and give it Light TAG

Quote from: GreekFire on 28 February 2016, 20:14:05

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Harpy - Disabler Type: ProtoMech Mass: 2 tons Chassis Config: Biped ================================================================================ Equipment Type Rating Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Structure: Standard 7 points 200 kg Engine: Fusion Engine 9 450 kg Walking MP: 6 Running MP: 9 Jumping MP: 0 Heat Sinks: Single Heat Sink 0 Cockpit: Standard 500 kg Armor: EDP Armor AV - 7 525 kg Internal Armor Structure Factor Head 1 1 Torso 3 2 L/R Arm 1/1 1/1 Legs 2 2 ================================================================================ Equipment Location Heat Damage Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Machine Gun T1 - 1 250 kg Machine Gun Ammo (15) Torso - - 75 kg

Crow · « **Reply #50 on:** 27 February 2017, 14:38:09 »

Quote from: wantec on 24 February 2017, 09:03:54

Per pg 100 of IO (and somewhere in WoR), Glider ProtoMechs can only be constructed from biped Ultraheavy (10-15 tons) ProtoMechs.

This makes the mad scientist part of me a sad panda, but I appreciate the clarification.

marauder648 · « **Reply #51 on:** 28 February 2017, 05:44:40 »

What programme do you use to make the Proto's? As i've a few ideas for some myself.

Crow · « **Reply #52 on:** 09 March 2017, 16:07:10 »

Quote from: marauder648 on 28 February 2017, 05:44:40

What programme do you use to make the Proto's? As i've a few ideas for some myself.

I use pen and paper. You don't happen to have HMP, do you?

GreekFire · « **Reply #53 on:** 04 July 2020, 22:11:29 »

It struck me that I've never done a WiGE/Melee ProtoMech.
Ideally, they'll charge straight into physical range with a 'Mech and raise up to elevation 2, at which point all of their physical attacks roll using the punch table.
The two Flamers are there to give it a secondary purpose as an incendiary platform while keeping BV low.

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Raróg

Type: ProtoMech
Mass: 10 tons
Chassis Config: Biped Glider


================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      31 points               1300 kg
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 120                     4000 kg
    Walking MP: 1
    Running MP: 1
    WiGE Cruise MP: 9
    WiGE Flank MP: 14
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink              0			     0 kg                   
Cockpit:            Standard                                               750 kg
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -   35                1750 kg

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            6         
                                               Torso     10           11       
                                             L/R Arm     3/3          6/6         
                                                Legs     6            6 

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Damage     Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Flamer (Vehicular)			   T1          0         3        500 kg
Flamer (Vehicular)			   T2          0         3        500 kg
ProtoMech Melee Weapon		   RA          0         5        500 kg
Vehicular Flamer Ammo (20)	   Torso       -         -        1000 kg

Crow · « **Reply #54 on:** 31 August 2020, 06:29:56 »

Quote from: GreekFire on 04 July 2020, 22:11:29

It struck me that I've never done a WiGE/Melee ProtoMech.
Ideally, they'll charge straight into physical range with a 'Mech and raise up to elevation 2, at which point all of their physical attacks roll using the punch table.
The two Flamers are there to give it a secondary purpose as an incendiary platform while keeping BV low.

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Raróg Type: ProtoMech Mass: 10 tons Chassis Config: Biped Glider ================================================================================ Equipment Type Rating Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Structure: Standard 31 points 1300 kg Engine: Fusion Engine 120 4000 kg Walking MP: 1 Running MP: 1 WiGE Cruise MP: 9 WiGE Flank MP: 14 Heat Sinks: Single Heat Sink 0 0 kg Cockpit: Standard 750 kg Armor: Standard Armor AV - 35 1750 kg Internal Armor Structure Factor Head 3 6 Torso 10 11 L/R Arm 3/3 6/6 Legs 6 6 ================================================================================ Equipment Location Heat Damage Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flamer (Vehicular) T1 0 3 500 kg Flamer (Vehicular) T2 0 3 500 kg ProtoMech Melee Weapon RA 0 5 500 kg Vehicular Flamer Ammo (20) Torso - - 1000 kg

The Protomech Melee Weapon is for Quads only and weighs a ton. Quads can't be Gliders, unfortunately. However, you could give it EDP armor instead to keep that "melee feel"