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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #60 on: 25 September 2013, 13:53:52 »
Now that would be worth watching.
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #61 on: 25 September 2013, 14:18:30 »
Saw it on Hulu.  Really liked it.  I especially appreciate that, as opposed to being completely safe, they went explicitly with the political allegory that once really made Marvel Comics click.  It may seem completely safe nowadays, but once upon a time Professor X and Magneto were explicitly modeled on the Booker T. Washington/W.E.B. Dubois divide, or more contemporaneously for the time, Martin Luther King/Malcolm X debates about how best to deal with the problems of racial discrimination. 

Now I won't delve into the mechanics of the debate (I'm remembering the forum rules, mods!  I promise!), but that willingness to make political allegory gave the X-Men comics its emotional core.  By taking a similar tack with the political debates of today, whatever you may think about those debates, it really struck me as a good way of 1) grounding the universe in the real, and 2) allowing us to emotionally connect with these people as heroes by letting them do what heroes do:  help people who really need it.  It allowed for a very emotionally-satisfying end, I thought.
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #62 on: 25 September 2013, 15:20:16 »
I missed it because something suddenly came up, and I was busy from 7PM - 12:30AM.  Completely forgot it was even on.   :'(  And next week I'll be away at a work conference and likely too busy at night to turn the TV on, so will miss it as well.   :'(  I'm guessing there'll be a lot of trying to catch reruns in my future.
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #63 on: 25 September 2013, 15:35:47 »
Quote from: Reaver on 25 September 2013, 14:18:30
Saw it on Hulu.  Really liked it.  I especially appreciate that, as opposed to being completely safe, they went explicitly with the political allegory that once really made Marvel Comics click.  It may seem completely safe nowadays, but once upon a time Professor X and Magneto were explicitly modeled on the Booker T. Washington/W.E.B. Dubois divide, or more contemporaneously for the time, Martin Luther King/Malcolm X debates about how best to deal with the problems of racial discrimination. 

Now I won't delve into the mechanics of the debate (I'm remembering the forum rules, mods!  I promise!), but that willingness to make political allegory gave the X-Men comics its emotional core.  By taking a similar tack with the political debates of today, whatever you may think about those debates, it really struck me as a good way of 1) grounding the universe in the real, and 2) allowing us to emotionally connect with these people as heroes by letting them do what heroes do:  help people who really need it.  It allowed for a very emotionally-satisfying end, I thought.

 There were a *lot* of ways you could take the Hooded Hero' monologue at the end.   Very well written.
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #64 on: 25 September 2013, 16:11:33 »
Not to go off-topic, but I knew I'd seen the old warrior reluctant to go back into the field before and that she had a geek pedigree.  As it turns out, for Melinda May, it was Tuesday.
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #65 on: 25 September 2013, 18:23:10 »
My local cable provider is repeating the pilot this Thursday (26 Sep) at 8PM.
So check your local listings, but it's not repeating next week (Scandal recap instead).
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #66 on: 25 September 2013, 23:04:27 »
hmmm this was entertaining to say the least and I do like it so far.  I think it would make a for a very funny episode if they had RDJ show up as Stark for a cameo appearance
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #67 on: 25 September 2013, 23:32:46 »
Quote from: Reaver on 25 September 2013, 16:11:33
Not to go off-topic, but I knew I'd seen the old warrior reluctant to go back into the field before and that she had a geek pedigree.  As it turns out, for Melinda May, it was Tuesday.
I remember her from the TV show, "The Single Guy" which was pretty good, IIRC
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #68 on: 26 September 2013, 06:50:53 »
Quote from: Reaver on 25 September 2013, 16:11:33
Not to go off-topic, but I knew I'd seen the old warrior reluctant to go back into the field before and that she had a geek pedigree.  As it turns out, for Melinda May, it was Tuesday.
Ah yes Ming Na Wen, responsible for acting/voicing characters in Mulan, Final Fantasy Spirits Within, Street Fighter, Stargate Universe, ER, and  a whole bunch of others.  {>{>
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #69 on: 26 September 2013, 08:07:40 »
Saw it on Hulu  last night (pilot anyway), seems like the show is off to a good start........

BTW, i want Agent Colson's corvette [drool]
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« Reply #70 on: 26 September 2013, 09:22:51 »
yeah I caught it on Hulu yesterday too..   I love that lovely Josh dialogue   It was a good idea to bring Calson back. 
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #71 on: 26 September 2013, 11:32:54 »
Read something online that I guess the show broke or set some records...

I have always liked Ming Na Wen I think she is a very good actress.  She was also in the Joy Luck Club too.
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #72 on: 26 September 2013, 12:19:07 »
so, do we know what the Tahiti remarks refer to?

Was Coulson revived by Asgardian technology, or is he a Asgardian (or equivalent) clone?
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #73 on: 26 September 2013, 12:48:29 »
Quote from: Grognard on 26 September 2013, 12:19:07
so, do we know what the Tahiti remarks refer to?

Was Coulson revived by Asgardian technology, or is he a Asgardian (or equivalent) clone?

He's most likely a Life Model Decoy and the real Coulson is probably a vegetable or a brain in a jar at this point at best.
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #74 on: 26 September 2013, 13:16:41 »
It has me hooked for now.  Looking forward to next week.

I already know that they are planning on revealing the truth behind Caulson's "resurection" at some point, possibly this season since it was mentioned in the pilot but I'm prepared for them to be cagey and not get around to it until Season 2.
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #75 on: 26 September 2013, 13:45:43 »
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He's most likely a Life Model Decoy and the real Coulson is probably a vegetable or a brain in a jar at this point at best.

the question really comes down to if the Caulson in agents of shield is the decoy, or the one killed on the helicarrier was, frankly I could see them working it either way (plot/story reasons) IE caulson on his way to confront loki avatarized a LMD and sent it after loki, or ... the one in the show is the decoy replacing the "real one" the big clue would be if the one in the show "shows" super human capabilities.
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #76 on: 26 September 2013, 15:32:41 »
Quote from: Brother Jim on 25 September 2013, 18:23:10
My local cable provider is repeating the pilot this Thursday (26 Sep) at 8PM.
So check your local listings, but it's not repeating next week (Scandal recap instead).

SO its a 1 time only repeat.

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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #77 on: 27 September 2013, 03:54:12 »
Quote from: guardiandashi on 26 September 2013, 13:45:43
the question really comes down to if the Caulson in agents of shield is the decoy, or the one killed on the helicarrier was, frankly I could see them working it either way (plot/story reasons) IE caulson on his way to confront loki avatarized a LMD and sent it after loki, or ... the one in the show is the decoy replacing the "real one" the big clue would be if the one in the show "shows" super human capabilities.


I think "B" is the more likely option because it is the straightest line and easiest link for comic fans, and would be easier to explain to those unfamiliar with the deeper universe (plus it was name-checked in the first Iron Man film, in front of Coulson, no less), and the scene in the pilot certainly points to something like that... but they have an out either way. Coulson's Captain America cards from the Avengers movie

And this is Joss Whedon and team.  "Unexpected" comes with the territory.  So we'll see
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #78 on: 27 September 2013, 10:34:48 »
Quote from: garhkal on 26 September 2013, 15:32:41
SO its a 1 time only repeat.

Yep, but keep in mind I live in a tiny little no where town in the boonies and our cable provider doesn't even offer On Demand type viewing.

EDIT: I enjoyed it.
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #79 on: 27 September 2013, 14:36:58 »
The pilot aired again last night.
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #80 on: 27 September 2013, 14:44:54 »
I was expecting Amanda Tapping or somebody else from Sanctuary to show up. At least this episode reminded me of that show just swap Abnormal for Superhero.
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #81 on: 27 September 2013, 14:53:06 »
Quote from: cavingjan on 27 September 2013, 14:44:54
I was expecting Amanda Tapping or somebody else from Sanctuary to show up. At least this episode reminded me of that show just swap Abnormal for Superhero.

And swap Siffy for a respectable network.
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« Reply #82 on: 27 September 2013, 16:10:55 »
Quote from: Jal Phoenix on 27 September 2013, 14:53:06
And swap Siffy for a respectable network.

I'm sure ABC would love to hear you say that about them. ;)
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« Reply #83 on: 27 September 2013, 16:48:03 »
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I'm sure ABC would love to hear you say that about them. ;)

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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #84 on: 27 September 2013, 17:22:34 »
Well caught the replay of the pilot..  Not bad..  Great comedy scenes and a few decent action scenes..  But i kind of hate the plot
"we need to shield the people from things the don't need to know about"..  Along with the whole "its a super.  We don't want anyone else controlling them, so either they work for us or go away"
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« Reply #85 on: 27 September 2013, 17:36:04 »
The only thing that bothered me were the ridiculously British people.  No one is that British!  All they needed was a tea break and the show would have imploded.  Well, that and why exactly the people who juiced up Black Superman would ever let him just run loose, especially since they have to know what Extremis does to people who can't handle it.  That took away some of my suspension of disbelief, but not enough to ruin it.  I mean, maybe they knew they couldn't control him if he really wanted to break out, so they let him think he was free to go while monitoring him all the while...
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« Reply #86 on: 27 September 2013, 17:50:30 »
Quote from: Jal Phoenix on 27 September 2013, 16:48:03
Feh.  Next to Syfy, The Howie Mandell Network looks positively golden.

Well sure, if you compare it to SYFY they look great. So do some of the ranting conspiracy theory podcasts on Youtube.  ;D
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« Reply #87 on: 27 September 2013, 21:59:11 »
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So do some of the ranting conspiracy theory podcasts on Youtube.  ;D

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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #88 on: 28 September 2013, 08:55:00 »
Quote from: Jal Phoenix on 27 September 2013, 17:36:04
The only thing that bothered me were the ridiculously British people.  No one is that British!  All they needed was a tea break and the show would have imploded.  Well, that and why exactly the people who juiced up Black Superman would ever let him just run loose, especially since they have to know what Extremis does to people who can't handle it.  That took away some of my suspension of disbelief, but not enough to ruin it.  I mean, maybe they knew they couldn't control him if he really wanted to break out, so they let him think he was free to go while monitoring him all the while...

Perhaps that is why they had that scorpion thinggy attached..  they thought it would be a way for them to counter the known instability with Extremis..  Though i thought stark took care of that at the end of IM3.?
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Re: "Agents of Shield" the unofficial official thread.
« Reply #89 on: 28 September 2013, 09:16:44 »
Quote from: garhkal on 28 September 2013, 08:55:00
Perhaps that is why they had that scorpion thinggy attached..  they thought it would be a way for them to counter the known instability with Extremis..  Though i thought stark took care of that at the end of IM3.?
yes mabie but I don't think he really gave out the "solution" and these guys are trying to duplicate it.

one of the things that is a core part of the tony stark/ironman char is he is not just a genius (in some ways I think banner is actually smarter) but he is also intuitive in the sense that he gets inspired and does something that "everyone knows can't be done" or he does the equivalent of a years research in 10 minutes from a wild idea that's right.
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