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Aerospace Combat / Re: FC Naval Command Decision
« Last post by Alan Grant on Today at 08:03:08 »The F-C doesn't have a lot of experience with warship-on-warship engagements either. So the idea that maybe the Clans are less than 100% fails to take into account that the current generation of F-C warship crews are practically amateurs fond of ramming things. If the F-C were naval warfare experts I could see your point in a comparative light. From what I can tell, they are not.
I also feel like you are arguing that because Clans tends to relegate warships to support vessels (transport, command and control etc.), that they must not be very good. I'd argue that that the canon evidence tells us they are actually generally very good, and what's holding them back is doctrine, military culture and Clan norms.
When we do see the Clans engage, like the McKenna-class Werewolf at Tharkad during the FedCom Civil War, it cripples the Yggdrasil. Seemed quite competent to me.
I think you are underselling the skill of the Clan warship crews. When the Jihad rolls around, and the Clan fleets get involved in the drive on Terra, the skill of their warship crews is commented on by many Spheroid leaders and admirals throughout the final Jihad era books. Particularly as they got closer toward Terra and in the final operations to take the Terran system from the Blakists. The Clan warship crews are talked up as being very skilled and very capable.
Here's a good one, after the fighting at the Titan Yards, (Jihad Hot Spots: Terra). Beresick is being interviewed by a reporter and says "These Clan crews are the finest naval crews I've ever had the pleasure to serve with and fight alongside."
The force he's referencing does indeed include some Snow Ravens, but also a lot of Bear, Falcon and one Wolf warship.
Also, yes, I know all of them aren't leviathans. But enough of them are that it's a problem. Especially if, as the original poster suggests, the Clans have concentrated their fleets into one fleet command. Amassing a few Black Lions/Camerons/Texas escorted by some destroyers and Aegis Cruisers, into 2-3 separate fleets attacking separate worlds within Lyran space at the same time is well within their combined capabilities.
The Jihad really is the best representation of what this threat looks like when allowed to demonstrate their full potential. Look at the Clan fleets and what they do during the Jihad. Look at how effective they are once they've decided to fully invoke their naval strength and combine their resources. Now imagine that happens in the 3060s and the target is the F-C. More specifically, as a F-C planner, you are probably thinking about things like defending key worlds such as Tharkad, Hesperus and so on, from a Clan massed naval onslaught.
That's the actual scale of the threat the original poster presents. If you are a F-C naval planner you respect what that threat represents and plan accordingly.
If you don't agree with me, that's fine. I've made my case. It was mostly for the original poster to address their question.
I also feel like you are arguing that because Clans tends to relegate warships to support vessels (transport, command and control etc.), that they must not be very good. I'd argue that that the canon evidence tells us they are actually generally very good, and what's holding them back is doctrine, military culture and Clan norms.
When we do see the Clans engage, like the McKenna-class Werewolf at Tharkad during the FedCom Civil War, it cripples the Yggdrasil. Seemed quite competent to me.
I think you are underselling the skill of the Clan warship crews. When the Jihad rolls around, and the Clan fleets get involved in the drive on Terra, the skill of their warship crews is commented on by many Spheroid leaders and admirals throughout the final Jihad era books. Particularly as they got closer toward Terra and in the final operations to take the Terran system from the Blakists. The Clan warship crews are talked up as being very skilled and very capable.
Here's a good one, after the fighting at the Titan Yards, (Jihad Hot Spots: Terra). Beresick is being interviewed by a reporter and says "These Clan crews are the finest naval crews I've ever had the pleasure to serve with and fight alongside."
The force he's referencing does indeed include some Snow Ravens, but also a lot of Bear, Falcon and one Wolf warship.
Also, yes, I know all of them aren't leviathans. But enough of them are that it's a problem. Especially if, as the original poster suggests, the Clans have concentrated their fleets into one fleet command. Amassing a few Black Lions/Camerons/Texas escorted by some destroyers and Aegis Cruisers, into 2-3 separate fleets attacking separate worlds within Lyran space at the same time is well within their combined capabilities.
The Jihad really is the best representation of what this threat looks like when allowed to demonstrate their full potential. Look at the Clan fleets and what they do during the Jihad. Look at how effective they are once they've decided to fully invoke their naval strength and combine their resources. Now imagine that happens in the 3060s and the target is the F-C. More specifically, as a F-C planner, you are probably thinking about things like defending key worlds such as Tharkad, Hesperus and so on, from a Clan massed naval onslaught.
That's the actual scale of the threat the original poster presents. If you are a F-C naval planner you respect what that threat represents and plan accordingly.
If you don't agree with me, that's fine. I've made my case. It was mostly for the original poster to address their question.
