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Why would they sell a mech to anybody who asks, when it’s spelled out that they don’t sell it to just anybody?  ???
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Why would they sell a mech to anybody who asks, when it’s spelled out that they don’t sell it to just anybody?  ???

“Money talks”.  “Believe half of what you see and none of what your hear”.  “Everyone else cheats why shouldn’t I?”  There are a thousand reasons and let’s face it the Clans time and again have been just as two faced as any leader in the Battletech universe.

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Why would they sell a mech to anybody who asks, when it’s spelled out that they don’t sell it to just anybody?  ???

Individual sales vs mass sales. If you're a Successor State that wants to buy them in bulk, they'll turn you down and refer you to another product. If you're a merc who's offering double the sale price for a single 'Mech? I could see them taking you up on it.

Worth saying that this is entirely speculative and has zero basis in canon, though.
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It also occurs to me that the Foxes are still clan.  You could always demand a Trial of Refusal over them declining to sell you something.  Theoretically, that could work.  It just...might not be the best idea. 
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TRO Golden Century says that in the mid 3140s the Sea Foxes decided to revive the design & start selling it again.

And it is *STILL* one of the best Clan Medium OmniMechs. It surprises that, of all the IS factions, they are selling it predominantly to the CapCon.
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Seemingly a good market for ClanTech designs in the CapCon. Imagine my surprise to read that the Confederation is one of the biggest users of the Ebon Jaguar thanks to sales from the Sea Foxes.
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Deep pockets for CapCon, they must have... either that or an abundance of cheap labor'd mineral stash to trade off, if you know what I mean.

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Seemingly a good market for ClanTech designs in the CapCon. Imagine my surprise to read that the Confederation is one of the biggest users of the Ebon Jaguar thanks to sales from the Sea Foxes.

I would be surprised if that was still the case after a Fox got done playing taxi to Julian & pals.
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Yep, the Sea Foxes played a big role in helping the Fed Suns attack and destroy the Ilsa Hyung over Marlette in 3146. 

Because of that, the Capellan Navy is now down to only one WarShip.
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Seemingly a good market for ClanTech designs in the CapCon. Imagine my surprise to read that the Confederation is one of the biggest users of the Ebon Jaguar thanks to sales from the Sea Foxes.

The thing is though that the CapCon started to pester Sea Fox affiliates for war supplies when Celestial Reward ramped up. The Foxes didn't take kindly to these attacks (lore from the Nagasawa dropship). I wonder how long the Foxes will let that continue. Also from the FM 3145 the Foxes often increased their sales to the Capellan March whenever the Confederation attacked merchants that were affiliated with the Foxes. And now with Terra fallen I'd wager that the Foxes won't deal with the Capellans any more unless they truly want to be seen as "merchants of death" (and I am not sure if the Ilclan will take kindly to those who support their opponents)

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I would be surprised if that was still the case after a Fox got done playing taxi to Julian & pals.

I'm sure they could weasel out of that easily.

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The thing is though that the CapCon started to pester Sea Fox affiliates for war supplies when Celestial Reward ramped up. The Foxes didn't take kindly to these attacks (lore from the Nagasawa dropship). I wonder how long the Foxes will let that continue. Also from the FM 3145 the Foxes often increased their sales to the Capellan March whenever the Confederation attacked merchants that were affiliated with the Foxes. And now with Terra fallen I'd wager that the Foxes won't deal with the Capellans any more unless they truly want to be seen as "merchants of death" (and I am not sure if the Ilclan will take kindly to those who support their opponents)

All true, but that was a very true situation by 3145. We can see that the CapCon still has access to things like the Coyotl and the Lupus that started going on sale in 3145 and 3146 respectively, so the Foxes apparently still didn't mind accepting Capellan coin any more than the Capellans minded paying increased prices. I too am interested to see how the Sea Foxes will handle things when Alaric starts telling them who they can and cannot do business with.
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It was not just the lost of the ship, the Foxes started raiding Cappies worlds and even assisted Julian in gathering supplies.
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There was also an incident on Corey in 3149, from the Hammerhead fluff, where Skate Khanate gets mad at the locals refusal to trade (and subsequently firing on Fox dropships that tried to land anyway), and end up conquering and looting the local spaceport and claiming the whole thing for Clan Sea Fox.
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I don’t think the CC has any domestic clan tech production, it’s whatever they can loot off the republic/Fed suns and buy. If they can’t buy they fall way behind the curve
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I don’t think the CC has any domestic clan tech production, it’s whatever they can loot off the republic/Fed suns and buy. If they can’t buy they fall way behind the curve

IMO that is down to Capellan pride . . . they do not need the weapons of enemies/can stand on their own/other nationalist slogans.  It is part of why in the late 3130s the Capellans kicked out and quit using mercenaries.
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And it is *STILL* one of the best Clan Medium OmniMechs. It surprises that, of all the IS factions, they are selling it predominantly to the CapCon.

Well it looks like the FedSuns and LyrCom get them in numbers as well, oddly they aren't selling them to the FWL even though the factory is in their space.

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Well it looks like the FedSuns and LyrCom get them in numbers as well, oddly they aren't selling them to the FWL even though the factory is in their space.

Give it a hot minute, that'll change.
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All true, but that was a very true situation by 3145. We can see that the CapCon still has access to things like the Coyotl and the Lupus that started going on sale in 3145 and 3146 respectively, so the Foxes apparently still didn't mind accepting Capellan coin any more than the Capellans minded paying increased prices. I too am interested to see how the Sea Foxes will handle things when Alaric starts telling them who they can and cannot do business with.

Well wouldn't be exactly new for the Foxes. they had the same issue when they were still the Diamond Sharks and started selling second line Mechs (with Clan weapons) to the IS. The Falcons actually issued a trial against them and the Sharks won the trial by using second line machines underscoring their point that the warrior matters not the machine. Maybe they will bring this point up again. I mean they also sold massive quantities to the Republic right before the fall of said Republic and Alaric doesn't seem to hold that against them (funny though the Foxes get "paid" by claiming the gear of the RAF which in essence came partially from the Foxes)

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Wait... If the Foxes claim RAF gear, that could mean a clan built Ares in the future?

Shoot, maybe they'll add Nova CEWS to it... I mean as soon as the Homies show up, everybody will see...

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Homies banned Nova CEWS. It's more likely to show up in Imperial or Horses ranks.

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Doubt we'll see an Ares it's not the clan way.

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Homies are probably busy rediscovering that you can start a fire by smacking two rocks together.

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Wait... If the Foxes claim RAF gear, that could mean a clan built Ares in the future?

Shoot, maybe they'll add Nova CEWS to it... I mean as soon as the Homies show up, everybody will see...

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Aren't the production sites for the Ares and Poseidon in Clan Wolf hands (unless the Republic managed to wipe the files)? They most likely won't cede that to the Foxes so we might get some refits. If they even want something like that.

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Homies are probably busy rediscovering that you can start a fire by smacking two rocks together.
Or maybe they've developed ER/Heavy/Pulse OmniLasers and Rotary LBX ACs.  We really have no way of knowing.
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Or maybe they've developed ER/Heavy/Pulse OmniLasers and Rotary LBX ACs.  We really have no way of knowing.

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Homies banned Nova CEWS. It's more likely to show up in Imperial or Horses ranks.

Stone Lions have permission to use it in their non mech forces, as all others consider that a taint amongst the general census.

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True, but they can only go so far before the Cobras or Adders view it as heresy and annihilate them, thus preventing any meaningful employment of the technology.

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You're assuming the Adders and Cobras don't see the light.  They are just won't use it on each other.  But I bet they would use it against tainted IS forces in order to even the odds.
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Stone Lions have permission to use it in their non mech forces, as all others consider that a taint amongst the general census.

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