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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #90 on: 07 July 2016, 12:14:47 »
[quote author=Colt Ward link=topic=51329.msg1233235#msg1233235 date=1467832774

The Crusader Wolves and their Empire?  They are also playing with the Republic and the Falcons, so far Jessica and likely her successors, have shown no inclination to poke the sleeping dog of that border.

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There are extracts of fluff in the TRO 3150 where wolves attacked two or three worlds of the area near the remnants of the republic, which are Marik, Angel II and a couple more I do not think that wolves let it pass expand your corridor to Terra

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #91 on: 07 July 2016, 12:25:50 »
They launched limited Trials against those worlds- notice who holds all of them, the Clan Protectorate.  We know that since it formed the Protectorate was acting like a Clan and the Wolf Empire treats them as such.  It seemed to be viewed as training exercises just like the Galatean League.  Attacks against the Remnant also serve to train although there the Wolf Empire has slowly been taking worlds to expand against the Fortress walls.

Alaric is focused on two enemies- the Republic and the Jade Falcons, their unit positioning reflects this . . . they will not be opportunistically striking the neo League because the nFWL goes after the Regulans or Marians.

I like the Space Romans, but their window for taking a big step up is gone at the moment.  The only question is how badly the nFWL will hurt the Hegemony when it takes back Kendall and puts troops on that border.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #92 on: 07 July 2016, 12:27:28 »


Might? As I read somewhere else that BT's "present timeline" (Dark Age & beyond) is becoming aimless due to various issues.

The only thing I want to see is ilClan, but who knows when that's gonna come out.


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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #93 on: 07 July 2016, 12:32:26 »
They launched limited Trials against those worlds- notice who holds all of them, the Clan Protectorate.  We know that since it formed the Protectorate was acting like a Clan and the Wolf Empire treats them as such.  It seemed to be viewed as training exercises just like the Galatean League.  Attacks against the Remnant also serve to train although there the Wolf Empire has slowly been taking worlds to expand against the Fortress walls.

Alaric is focused on two enemies- the Republic and the Jade Falcons, their unit positioning reflects this . . . they will not be opportunistically striking the neo League because the nFWL goes after the Regulans or Marians.

I like the Space Romans, but their window for taking a big step up is gone at the moment.  The only question is how badly the nFWL will hurt the Hegemony when it takes back Kendall and puts troops on that border.


If that I also already said, at the moment the border with Marik will be fortified, Kendall probably miss but I do not move much over there, there's not much more that interests them.
We must as I always say, consolidate progress on all independent worlds out there, and see to consolidate MHAF with a couple of legions more and many more auxiliary

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #94 on: 07 July 2016, 12:34:59 »
Might? As I read somewhere else that BT's "present timeline" (Dark Age & beyond) is becoming aimless due to various issues.

The only thing I want to see is ilClan, but who knows when that's gonna come out.

Theoretically read in post News that IlClan would be out in 2017

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #95 on: 07 July 2016, 12:37:19 »
Might? As I read somewhere else that BT's "present timeline" (Dark Age & beyond) is becoming aimless due to various issues.

The only thing I want to see is ilClan, but who knows when that's gonna come out.

I'm aware of the ilClan delays, I'm looking for your evidence that a TRO is going to be retconned.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #96 on: 07 July 2016, 12:38:16 »
Merlin R1?  Weird, because I want to say it was in the fiction where it talked about how hard it was for the Regulans to get their hands on them because they did not build it but needed to dismantle and rebuild ones they owned.

That was 3090. The Regulans have had Clipperton for decades since 3078. More than half a century of production should give them lots of R1s.

Going back . . . Wolves are not messing with the League, that border is stable as their attention is elsewhere and the only way they come in conflict is limited Trials with the Protectorate.  Lyrans barely share a border and they are trying to survive.

Yes, but leaving your Clan border open is like inviting the wolves for dinner. Pun intended.

Lyrans may not want to invade anymore, but they will step up on raiding if they see the Tamarind border lightly-guarded.

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Finally . . . when has naval strength ever really been built up to proper levels?  The fiction of the time seems to make it seem all the FWL proto-states have trouble getting military equipment.  They also had the problem of the Sea Fox navy being involved.

Nah...the fluff is very erratic on this. They don't have trouble getting military equipment, else they wouldn't have so many new units on top of the post-Jihad rebuilding and constant attrition they've suffered. Sea Fox navy in question is not big enough for blockades of that scale, not if they want to keep a viable economy going.


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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #97 on: 07 July 2016, 12:41:04 »
I'm aware of the ilClan delays, I'm looking for your evidence that a TRO is going to be retconned.

I said might. I did not say will. Because all those behind-the-scenes issues had already froze the original big time jump that was being planned and the fluff seems to be heading into a dead end.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #98 on: 07 July 2016, 12:43:19 »

If that I also already said, at the moment the border with Marik will be fortified, Kendall probably miss but I do not move much over there, there's not much more that interests them.
We must as I always say, consolidate progress on all independent worlds out there, and see to consolidate MHAF with a couple of legions more and many more auxiliary

Realistically speaking, the neoFWL will crush the Legions even in their current state. If they ally with the Canopians for a joint invasion, the Hegemony will be conquered bar an outside intervention.


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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #99 on: 07 July 2016, 12:43:58 »
Theoretically read in post News that IlClan would be out in 2017

Hopefully  :)

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #100 on: 07 July 2016, 12:46:59 »
I said might. I did not say will. Because all those behind-the-scenes issues had already froze the original big time jump that was being planned and the fluff seems to be heading into a dead end.

Still waiting for a link to evidence from a trusted source that says backpedaling could happen.
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« Reply #101 on: 07 July 2016, 14:30:31 »
Still waiting for a link to evidence from a trusted source that says backpedaling could happen.
And to counter it, I don't think there's anything in TRO3150 that couldn't be massaged in to things even if the path forward changed from ilClan.
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« Reply #102 on: 07 July 2016, 15:03:54 »
And to counter it, I don't think there's anything in TRO3150 that couldn't be massaged in to things even if the path forward changed from ilClan.

Hopefully in advance what the timeline the Marian Hegemony survive and progress towards the periphery there are too many independent worlds out there and this height MH can conquer, assimilate culturally or colonize others. NeoFWL can wait for the best opportunity.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #103 on: 07 July 2016, 17:19:45 »
As far as Kendall goes... I think we should take everything that's not mailed down, will fit in our ships and jump back home.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #104 on: 07 July 2016, 17:29:20 »
As far as Kendall goes... I think we should take everything that's not mailed down, will fit in our ships and jump back home.

totally agree, what can disarm, take Blueprints, and all of the deposit and retire, maybe I would take some technicians and engineers tourism to the MH

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #105 on: 08 July 2016, 00:23:04 »
Just do what the Capellans did during the Jihad, stripping everything from two sites to their own worlds.

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« Reply #106 on: 08 July 2016, 00:25:25 »
And to counter it, I don't think there's anything in TRO3150 that couldn't be massaged in to things even if the path forward changed from ilClan.

That's to be hoped for. The sparse details in Dark Age currently don't help anything at all, yet the time can be taken to make highly-detailed books on the Succession Wars.

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« Reply #107 on: 08 July 2016, 00:29:33 »
All of their neighbors. You know, the folks who've had to deal with aggressive Marians for decades, and wouldn't shed a single tear if some leaked battleROMs led to something...Regulan...happening to them.

I find the whole C3i issue causing discomfort to the Republic rich when those hypocrites are fielding plenty of Blakist designs and even iconic ones like the Kheper, Uraeus, Schrack and Simurgh. Marians don't even need to accept Republic inspectors, and the Regulans always have bigger, more immediate fish to fry.

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« Reply #108 on: 08 July 2016, 03:21:33 »
I find the whole C3i issue causing discomfort to the Republic rich when those hypocrites are fielding plenty of Blakist designs and even iconic ones like the Kheper, Uraeus, Schrack and Simurgh. Marians don't even need to accept Republic inspectors, and the Regulans always have bigger, more immediate fish to fry.

Nothing was of more immediate importance to the Regulans than a clear indication of Blakist influence/support.
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« Reply #109 on: 08 July 2016, 04:01:45 »
I find the whole C3i issue causing discomfort to the Republic rich when those hypocrites are fielding plenty of Blakist designs and even iconic ones like the Kheper, Uraeus, Schrack and Simurgh. Marians don't even need to accept Republic inspectors, and the Regulans always have bigger, more immediate fish to fry.

Kheper is neo-ComStar, as is the Uraeus. Schrack and Simurgh are Republic designs. They may have superficially similar aspects to some Blakist designs, but they aren't Blakist designs.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #110 on: 08 July 2016, 05:24:44 »
<snip>.

The only thing I want to see is ilClan, but who knows when that's gonna come out.
or, at this point, if.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #111 on: 08 July 2016, 05:47:27 »
It is currently scheduled for 2017.

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« Reply #112 on: 08 July 2016, 05:49:36 »
Kheper is neo-ComStar, as is the Uraeus. Schrack and Simurgh are Republic designs. They may have superficially similar aspects to some Blakist designs, but they aren't Blakist designs.

Not to mention that at this point nobody outside Fortress Republic can positively say who is fielding them.
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« Reply #113 on: 08 July 2016, 06:27:34 »
That's to be hoped for. The sparse details in Dark Age currently don't help anything at all, yet the time can be taken to make highly-detailed books on the Succession Wars.
Just curious what kind of DA details are you looking for? Before I became a BT writer I was a big fan of the Dark Age so I might be able to help answer your questions.
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« Reply #114 on: 08 July 2016, 09:04:38 »
Just curious what kind of DA details are you looking for? Before I became a BT writer I was a big fan of the Dark Age so I might be able to help answer your questions.

You may refers to the little detail of the factories producing the Marian Hegemony or mentions some things still left with more questions

We have 3 factories Mechs and 3150 have no idea we produce.

The ATC in Addhara, Hadrain in Pompey and Marian Arms in Alphard or That Aero Fighters are manufactured in the same Hadrian or model battlearmor in Illyria, they said they have factories but we make (beyond the testudo), gave more detail which manufactures factory that was lost with Leximon who own manufacturing factories.

Another fact is that an agricultural planet as New Venice, step by Heavy Industrialized

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« Reply #115 on: 08 July 2016, 23:54:00 »
Kheper is neo-ComStar, as is the Uraeus. Schrack and Simurgh are Republic designs. They may have superficially similar aspects to some Blakist designs, but they aren't Blakist designs.

Didn't stop the Republic from co-opting them. They remind people of Celestials and Spectrals.

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« Reply #116 on: 09 July 2016, 00:15:21 »
Just curious what kind of DA details are you looking for? Before I became a BT writer I was a big fan of the Dark Age so I might be able to help answer your questions.

What Adacas said.

I'm very curious about many aspects, such as:

1) The Marians' Kendall campaign, if New Avalon is actually conquered, or under invasion(either way, a detailed campaign description)

2) Basically an Objectives 3150. What do the Marians actually build from their known and unknown factories? How far have they expanded since Objectives: Periphery? What did the Horses actually secure from their Tamar conquests? The ambiguous wording in the FM causes one to wonder if it is to be assumed that the Horses produce T-Wolves, T-hawk IIs, Carnivores, Black Wolves, Gargoyles and other choice Wolf units? What ARE the Suns producing since their 3079 Objectives? I'm sorry, but mini-snippets in every TRO since 3085 don't add up to the overall picture. How much have they rebuilt by 3130? How much industrial expansion took place since the Dark Age?

3) The "current" time is 3150. There is a TRO for that year with more mini-snippets that leave you with more questions without actually answering much. But no campaign sourcebook like FCCW that actually details what is being alluded to in the TRO. No FM that details the frantic rebuilding/reactivation efforts of the militaries.

4) And of course, the rather unconvincing way that the Combine is, in effect, making First Succession War-style mass conquests with such a paper tiger military and continually advancing without the Blackout or massive insurgency problems hampering them. For all the mentions of such insurgencies in the FM and the virtual wiping out of some of their Mech regiments' conventional supporting units, they can still make it to New Avalon by 3150 and potentially conquer it? Come on, even the Lyrans managed to force the two strongest Crusader Clans off their capital, and the AFFS can't do that with the quality of units defending theirs?
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #117 on: 09 July 2016, 07:11:56 »
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #118 on: 09 July 2016, 08:57:06 »
So items 1, 3, & 4 are all covered in varying amount of detail in ilClan. Unfortunately, that means you all have to wait for that.

The other one I can work on gathering the info for you guys.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #119 on: 09 July 2016, 10:24:49 »
Another Objectives series is incredibly, insanely, astronomically unlikely. From what I understand, the devs found the whole project a huge pain in the ass, far too much work for minor fringe products. Much like the Handbooks, the series was completed only because leaving it uncompleted would be a constant irritation.
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