Author Topic: Clan Fire Mandrills final entry in the WoR? (Read 5170 times)

kurtl000 · « **on:** 16 February 2012, 23:38:48 »

Im trying to find theyre final mention in the sourcebook. Anyone know what it is? I know theyre extinct but I keep getting the impression that they were ground to dust and with all the crap going on in the homeworlds, nobody noticed? #P Oh and one more thing was the WoR supplemental released yet?

Kojak · « **Reply #1 on:** 17 February 2012, 00:15:15 »

AFAICT, page 138.

Corsair117 · « **Reply #2 on:** 17 February 2012, 02:58:40 »

The very last mention of them is on pg.145 where the grand council simply acknowledges their destruction along with the Ice hellions and it's a single sentence. Other wise kojak's right in pg. 138 being the last mention of them in combat.
as far as I know the WoR supplemental isn't out yet but I have failed to notice other new releases so I could very well be wrong.

Gaiiten · « **Reply #3 on:** 17 February 2012, 02:59:16 »

The Grand Council declared the Fire Mandrill Clan as being destroyed in February 3075 (woR, page 146).

A certain number of them was absorbed by the Blood Spirits,but those were killed when the Adders finally settled the issue with the Spirits in late 3084.

Some bondspeople may have survived in other Clans (after quickchecking WoR & FM 3085 I found none Mandrill-related bloodnamed).

What will happen to their bloodnames is going to be seen. IMHO if genetic samples survived and are not irrecoverable tainted the Homeclans could use them giving their breeding programs more diversity.

St.George · « **Reply #4 on:** 17 February 2012, 04:33:57 »

Some of the Kindraa was absorbed into other HW clans,,,,Cyotes pop into my head 1st,,,but I dont hav WoR infrount of me atm.

Hawkeye Jim · « **Reply #5 on:** 17 February 2012, 14:47:21 »

I don't recall the Society ever going after them, so perhaps their bloodlines remained untainted. Plus they never had contact with the IS, so, Voila! New bloodlines.

Sjhernan3060 · « **Reply #6 on:** 05 June 2018, 19:54:35 »

Quote from: Hawkeye Jim on 17 February 2012, 14:47:21

I don't recall the Society ever going after them, so perhaps their bloodlines remained untainted. Plus they never had contact with the IS, so, Voila! New bloodlines.

The mandrills heritages would be seen as high value then?

Archangel · « **Reply #7 on:** 05 June 2018, 23:21:46 »

Quote from: Sjhernan3060 on 05 June 2018, 19:54:35

The mandrills heritages would be seen as high value then?

Should probably have created a new thread rather than resurrect this old one, but to answer your question - not really. Their exact value would also vary depending upon Kindraa, but resurrecting the Mandrill heritages was done to replace the innumerable bloodlines that were tainted by the Society and subsequently destroyed thereby increasing their eugenic program's genetic diversity that had been reduced to critical levels. It was for the same reason that both the Home Clans and IS Clans traded various bloodline with their fellow Clans.

Gaiiten · « **Reply #8 on:** 06 June 2018, 13:24:03 »

Given WoR Supplemental (page 11) the Star Adders trialed for and won ten FM bloodheritages among them Carrol, Kreese and Faraday.

This happened after the Grand Council declared Mandrill bloodheritages clean of taint in 3090.

roosterboy · « **Reply #9 on:** 06 June 2018, 13:27:05 »

nm. just noticed the date on this old thread.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #10 on:** 06 June 2018, 16:30:21 »

Quote from: Archangel on 05 June 2018, 23:21:46

Should probably have created a new thread rather than resurrect this old one, but to answer your question - not really. Their exact value would also vary depending upon Kindraa, but resurrecting the Mandrill heritages was done to replace the innumerable bloodlines that were tainted by the Society and subsequently destroyed thereby increasing their eugenic program's genetic diversity that had been reduced to critical levels. It was for the same reason that both the Home Clans and IS Clans traded various bloodline with their fellow Clans.

IIRC the Fire Mandrill bloodlines were actually more diverse than the bloodlines of other Clans because the Kindraa being a microcosm of the Clans noticed that each Kindraa was a limited pool to be sharing what few bloodheritages they held. They solved this IIRC by using genetics of talented freebirths as the paternal donor in limited cases to mix in some natural variations.

The HW Clans could have done 'linebreeding' as well since they kept genetic samples since the Clan's founding . . . go back and use samples from warriors who fought in or after Klondike but never had a bloodname (eg, some Bloodnamed's natural offspring that never won a Trial of Bloodright- maybe lost it in the final round). With the description given in source material I have to wonder if the authors ever lived on a farm or raised any sort of animals, you get a decent genetics education for breeding generations of livestock.

JadedFalcon · « **Reply #11 on:** 06 June 2018, 19:57:54 »

The Carrol line contains Kerensky DNA, so there is likely value seen in that.

Sjhernan3060 · « **Reply #12 on:** 06 June 2018, 20:54:36 »

Quote from: roosterboy on 06 June 2018, 13:27:05

nm. just noticed the date on this old thread.

Is it considered bad form to bring back old thread?

Colt Ward · « **Reply #13 on:** 06 June 2018, 21:08:49 »

I do not think so, I think it was more about the question.

wantec · « **Reply #14 on:** 07 June 2018, 07:13:02 »

The last line in the first post asks if the WoR Supplemental has been released yet. At the time of the post the answer was no, but now is different. That's my guess what RB was commenting on

ThePW · « **Reply #15 on:** 07 June 2018, 10:03:35 »

Quote from: Colt Ward on 06 June 2018, 21:08:49

I do not think so, I think it was more about the question.

It does fit in the clan method of 'waste not, want not'... better to necro thread than posting similar questions that just make search's even harder than they are already...

tassa_kay · « **Reply #16 on:** 09 June 2018, 08:49:49 »

I’m pretty sure Rooster was referring to the Sixth of June, guys. ;)

Sjhernan3060 · « **Reply #17 on:** 04 October 2018, 19:53:15 »

Quote from: St.George on 17 February 2012, 04:33:57

Some of the Kindraa was absorbed into other HW clans,,,,Cyotes pop into my head 1st,,,but I dont hav WoR infrount of me atm.

I was re reading my field manual updates which is centered around 3067. It lists a growing alliance between a number of kindraa and the spirits. Before both were beaten down to nothing could the spirits have moved to absorb the kindraa Luke mick Reese they were tight with?

Orwell84 · « **Reply #18 on:** 10 October 2018, 06:27:08 »

Quote from: Sjhernan3060 on 04 October 2018, 19:53:15

I was re reading my field manual updates which is centered around 3067. It lists a growing alliance between a number of kindraa and the spirits. Before both were beaten down to nothing could the spirits have moved to absorb the kindraa Luke mick Reese they were tight with?

Maybe if the Spirits were really desperate for more warriors and resources they could have tried to pull it off, especially in the WoR chaos. But even as chummy as the Spirits and Mandrills were, the former were noted for their strong internal unity while the latter were both insanely factionalized, and both were convinced of their superiority over all other Clans (even allies). With a kindraa-sized merger the Spirits would also be risking the introduction of Mandrill-style factionalism into their ranks - and the Adders would be watching.

Sjhernan3060 · « **Reply #19 on:** 10 October 2018, 09:53:02 »

Is there a mandril focuses thread? I have some additional questions.

Tyler Jorgensson · « **Reply #20 on:** 10 October 2018, 10:13:29 »

Quote from: Sjhernan3060 on 10 October 2018, 09:53:02

Is there a mandril focuses thread? I have some additional questions.

Theirs about a dozen of em :) :thumbsup:

Kit deSummersville · « **Reply #21 on:** 10 October 2018, 12:01:17 »

Quote from: Tyler Jorgensson on 10 October 2018, 10:13:29

Theirs about a dozen of em :) :thumbsup:

Haha, nice!

Sjhernan3060 · « **Reply #22 on:** 10 October 2018, 12:33:35 »

Quote from: Kit deSummersville on 10 October 2018, 12:01:17

Haha, nice!

Ha! You guys...

ThePW · « **Reply #23 on:** 11 October 2018, 08:52:10 »

OK that was stupid *still giggles*...