Here's the most recent one I'm aware of. You'll need to unzip it.I'm getting a damaged file when I unzip. Anyone else?
Are you using the built-in Windows zip functionality? If you are, that may be the problem - it's sometimes buggy.
Are you using the built-in Windows zip functionality? If you are, that may be the problem - it's sometimes buggy.WinRAR archiver is what is installed. I've never used it before. I just upgraded from XP to 7 so I haven't taken the time to find the best free unzipper.
Problem solved. MicroSoft Works Spreadsheet is all I had loaded and it was giving me the bad file error. Open Office took care of it.
Well it helps that they stole half there fleet.
"Kind words and a two by four work so much better than kind words alone."
"Especially when they are surrounded by vacuum and can't hear me."
8)
"Kind words and a two by four work so much better than kind words alone."
"Especially when they are surrounded by vacuum and can't hear me."
8)
Good use of a Babylon 5 Marcus quote. O0
Figured the WoB had techs on board who either just gassed the crews or opened the ships to space with override codes or somesuch.Quick and painless, at least for the WoB techs.
Life Support...OFF"Open the pod bay doors, HAL!"
Well I really doubt the FWLN ships were stolen while sitting in drydock, thats for sure.
Wow only 5 DCMS ships out their and about, they took a beating!
ALL the houses have taken a beating. The Cappies have just three ships left. The FS has only four ships left with three other foxes unaccounted for and I dread to think what the FWLN is going to look like!
Now I wonder how many WoB ships will remain unaccounted for when the Jihad ends. ::)
Obviously I can't answer that, but I can tell you they have at least 22 warships whose fate we haven't heard of yet.
If were lucky, maybe the WoB commanders all went to the Davion School of Ramming and Planetary Collision.
99% of all the graduates of the Davion School of Ramming and Planetary Collision have been personally shot by myself.
With regards
Øystein
Grand Admiral of the BattleTech Fleet.
Page 4, Field Report: AFFS
LOL. I think it's funny that we are comparing WoB commanders with Davion commanders all of a sudden...
Classes they likely had access to I guess.
The Federated Suns had a homegrown Battleship class? And we know nothing about it? Someone is slipping. ;)It's the FSS Golden Lion. We've known about it since the House Davion Sourcebook came out. Of course we know next to nothing else, but hey, we've got a name.
What are the sources for the Hesperus II warship losses in battle? Can that info be shared?Scenarios for the battle and the ship profile for the DCS Galedon II, as published on BattleCorps.
I don't know if you're tracking ancient warships, but there is a complete list of the Combine warships destroyed by the Invincible at Hespersus.
- Galedon II, Samarkand-class
- Yedo, Baron-class
- Georgia, Bonaventure-class
- Tamura, Bonaventure-class
- Pacheco, Vigilant-class
- Wyrm, Vigilant-class
Well, all Successor States had a dozen+ of the older model Aegis-class Heavy Cruiser. Some, if not all, also used the Baron-class Destroyer, and apparently the Vigilant-class Corvette.
We know the Lyran Commonwealth had at least one Potemkin-class Troop Cruiser, in addition to their Mako-class Corvettes and Tharkad-class Battlecruisers.
The Federated Suns had access to the Congress-class Frigate, in addition to their Robinson-class Transports and Davion-class Destroyers (and a homegrown Battleship class IIRC).
The Capellan Confederation had the Du Shi Wang-class Battleship.
The Free Worlds League had the Atreus-class Battleship.
The Draconis Combine had the Samarkand-class Carrier.
The Taurian Concordant used Wagon Wheel-clas Frigates, Winchester-class Cruisers, and the Dart-class Light Cruiser, IIRC.
All the houses were likely to have additional classes of ships, but these are ones that are easily confirmed by a review of the House books and TRO's.
Ruger
actually, based on number of hulls, how many were upgraded for the SLN, and assuming it was an equal division the houses would have had 6 AEGIS of the 2300s vintage...there wer two lefy over, which I tend to give of the RWRN as a reward for Amaris' loyalty during the Reunifacation War.
Correct for the Aegis-class ships given to the great houses...don't know how my math came out like it did... :-[
Ruger
The thing with a DA navy listings is that its only gonna be slightly longer than the pre clan era navy listings.I know its not that bad but darn near . Come on, the FSN from 15 hulls to 5(1 still in WOB hands,2 crips rebuilding) and even worse for almost everyone else.Cant wait to see whats left clanner wise.
Well, I think the Snow Ravens have lost between 10-15 ships as of the Terra Campaign...
The Ravens only contributed two stars, and there were survivors. Assuming no losses in the Homeworlds, that leaves 28 warships.
Just because the Dragoons used the Widowmaker paint scheme tells us nothing about whether their ships kept the same names as the Widowmaker hulls. To my knowledge, the only known name-and-class Widowmaker ship is the Potemkin-class Egg Sac, seen in the Wolverine stories.
I see that the list asserts that SLS Michigan, which features prominently in Betrayal of Ideals, is a Texas-class. However, after an extensive review, I can't find any reference in any of the parts of that story to support this assertion, or indeed to support that Michigan belongs to any other class or is even a battleship (certainly, other Clans have used cruisers as flagships). The only thing that BoI appears to establish is that it's the Wolverine flagship and that it has capital missiles.
Can anyone provide more details, or fill in where the Texas suggestion comes from?
All honestly as risk being criticized, i think it was generally assumed that it was Texas Class ship because it was generally believed that those ships were named after the US States and 52 ship were product somewhat supporting it. It was possible that American gained few states before the Terra Alliance formed.
I don't think the Texas class were named after US States but ocean going battleships. Look at the SLS Prinz Eugen and the SLS Bismark and if there ever was one, the SLS Texas as examples.
Mountbatten was the name of a class of commercial Hovercraft though that was built in the mid 1960's.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountbatten (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountbatten)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountbatten (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountbatten)Fixed for historical accuracy. And the way I hear it, if it hadn't been for the 'collateral damage' there are a fair few veterans of Dieppe who would've wanted to buy them a pint for it. #P Given how deeply rooted the Terran Hegemony was in McKenna's Canadian heritage, I can only ascribe that naming getting past Their Lordships without causing all those fallen Canadian lads to become subterranean dynamos to the anaesthesia caused by the passage of centuries. ::)
Prince Louis I, Lord Admiral Louis and Prince Philip all had serious naval connections in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Remembering that this is the history of the 1980s, his existance was conveniently pushed back into the spotlight in 1979 when theIRAIrish National Liberation Army blew him up.
Never know, in the Battletech history the Brits may have named a cruiser after the guy. Then it would fit to have a Texas named after him.By the time the Irish bombers nominated him for that honour, the RN was long out of the cruiser-building business (other than the 'through-deck' kind, and ain't no way one of those would've been tarred with that brush when there were other, long-honoured names going). :-X
I don't have my books handy, but wasn't there a Texas Class ship that was redouced to a system defense ship due to its K-F Drive? I thought it was Nicolas Kerensky or something like that...
That was Clan Coyote's Ancestral Home...
Ruger
Wait, wheres that at?
Page 46 of FM: Warden Clans talks about the condition of the Ancestral Home...
Ruger
Did General Kerensky’s Exodus bring a Newgrange with them? I have a statement that says about forty-five or so survived the Armis Civil War, but get blown up later as prime targets in the SW-eras. Do we have a definate answer? Or should we always assume at least one of everything SL had is cached somewhere on or around Strana Mechty?Well, if these ships would be attached to Kerensky's fleet. Original fluff from JHS:3076 suggests that they were part of the Exodus fleet. It would properly highly important piece of mobile infrualstructure you could bring to establish a hightech world with space industry. If survived the Exodus/Pentagon Wars is another story, the fighting didn't sound like it got into space way the H: OK read.
TT
Well, if these ships would be attached to Kerensky's fleet. Original fluff from JHS:3076 suggests that they were part of the Exodus fleet. It would properly highly important piece of mobile infrualstructure you could bring to establish a hightech world with space industry. If survived the Exodus/Pentagon Wars is another story, the fighting didn't sound like it got into space way the H: OK read.
well we know there were 7 dreadnoughts built (all those autocannons [drool] )
Only thing that bothers me, ONLY SEV$EN?!? :(
Moonsword, do you by any chance have a list of class introduction dates? If you do, would you be able to post it? Most appreciated if you can.
Soon as I'm home, I'll post a spreadsheet I made, that charts the introduction and lifespan of every pre-Amaris WarShip I've bothered to put on it.
Don't forget about McKenna's flagship, the Black Lion referred to as a Battlecruiser. Don't believe we've seen that class yet in canon.
The McKenna's Black Lion must appeared when his son was relieved of command if i remember correctly, when McKenna arrived to taken him back to Terra.
The ship could appear at time Monsoon came out as contemporary of the Battleship.
I'd love to see the canon battlecruiser design for the original Black Lion. Be interesting to see some of those hybrid warship classes especially from the Houses. I mean it took them 60 years to develop a warship - quite an advantage for the Hegemony.
Actually, I think the Tharkad predates both SL BCs, with the Cameron built in response to the Tharkad, and the Black Lion built in response to...well, the Cameron's lack of response.
The Sovetskii Soyuz has a lot of virtues. They're just not found in intense ship-to-ship combat.
Shouldn't be too hard. Put the destroyers in the 6-8 slots, the next common ones for Vincents and SovSoys, a slot each for a modern heavy cruiser or frigate, and save the BCs and BBs for the 2-3 or 11-12 slots. I'll admit the difficulty is choosing which ships to use, since the late SLN had more than eleven well-known classes. You could leave the Texas off, since it was supposed to be a rather rare vessel.
Late SLN didn't have that many corvettes, so I imagine a corvette-only chart would actually be rather monotonous. Maybe one RAT for small ships, one for heavy ships?
mmm. Battleships outnumbered cruisers by a fair margin in the late SLDF. I have a doc somewhere covering it all, but its worth noting that only the heavy cruisers (bar Sov Soy) and McKennas had LF batteries giving these ships some unique capabilities.
My appologies. Late SLDF cruisers split into a variety of roles. The Sov Soys were almost like the previous generation's frigates. The battle cruisers replaced the old battleships while the LF battery cruisers were something new and superceeded by the McKennas. After about 2600 you could no longer consider a cruiser to be a cut price battleship.
Don't forget about McKenna's flagship, the Black Lion referred to as a Battlecruiser. Don't believe we've seen that class yet in canon.
Actually the SLSB (page 16) has the Director-General leading Campaigns of Persuasion from his battlecruiser the Black Lion. The time period indicated is 2316-2317. The ship is quite specifically referred to as a battlecruiser and you would think if it was a Dreadnought it would have been mentioned. There are no Hegemony/League battlecruisers until the Cameron (2688). For these reasons I would contend there is a yet undetailed canon battlecruiser.
[I filled this niche, non-canon of course, with the Hegemony class Battlecruiser - see FM TR 2785 or TRO 2800 if your interested]
Taking personal command of the Hegemony battlecruiser Kiev, Lord Theodore led a massive naval assault against the Free Worlds fleet anchored at the Oriente star system. In the largest fleet action yet taken , more than 20 major Free Worlds warships were destroyed, while the Hegemony lost only two.
Would you like to provide a date for that reference?
May I ask how long I will need to wait before I can buy it hardcover? Somthing like that needs to be on the shelf.If you're at Gen-con, tomorrow. If not, whenever it's out. Same with all things.
We do?
Clue for the clueless, please?
We do?
Clue for the clueless, please?
Yeah, the only clue one friend would give me is "Leviathan Prime". There's no stats for it yet apparently, but presumably there's a third Levi version now.
EDIT: added spoiler tags, for those who might prefer not to know before they get the PDF/book
[spoil]I believe the Leviathan Prime is actually the original design the Ravens cooked up before the project was abandoned and the Leviathans were turned int transports.[/spoil]
Lots and lots of WarShips, including some new ones, and confirmation that at least two classes I hadn't previously thought went on the Exodus wound up there.
[spoil]I believe the Leviathan Prime is actually the original design the Ravens cooked up before the project was abandoned and the Leviathans were turned int transports.[/spoil]
Do tell...
Peregrine
We've got sightings of at least three Samarkands and a Baron, plus what may or may not be a Davion as opposed to a Whirlwind.
As to the context of those remarks... go read the book.
Not to mention a Riga and Kimagure, as well as possible SLN names for many ships.
Captured Second Coming? I think you are thinking of the Wars of Reaving book, this is Operation Klondike.
Great job AMS Kanas P81.
One oddball stands out in my mind on that list. The Hell's Horses Aegis-class Minotaur.
I wonder what became of that ship, as of FM: CC, it's not listed.
Captured Second Coming? I think you are thinking of the Wars of Reaving book, this is Operation Klondike.Makes me think it ended up in Clan Moth Ball; it's not mentioned in Reaving either. A pointless skim of FMU and M&M show nothing either, though rechecking Klondike the appearance of the Minotaur actually predates the Exodus, so strike that one as a possible - it could well have been among the "scores" of WarShips and DropShips that was sunk. She's just a name on the list of ships that left, rather than dedicated anywhere.
Great job AMS Kanas P81.
One oddball stands out in my mind on that list. The Hell's Horses Aegis-class Minotaur.
I wonder what became of that ship, as of FM: CC, it's not listed.
Makes me think it ended up in Clan Moth Ball; it's not mentioned in Reaving either. A pointless skim of FMU and M&M show nothing either, though rechecking Klondike the appearance of the Minotaur actually predates the Exodus, so strike that one as a possible - it could well have been among the "scores" of WarShips and DropShips that was sunk. She's just a name on the list of ships that left, rather than dedicated anywhere.
:-\ Mah bad.
I was kinda surprised to find out that one of the Samarkand was named the Yorktown. I would thought the Samarkand Class ships would been named after Kurita planets like the earlier ones mentioned in the TRO:3075. Would be possible that SLDF ended up renaming these ships that came coming under their control?Well they do have a world named Midway...
Looks like there is a new Warship class.p.15 of Strategic Operations: Clan Jade Falcon's first WarShip (2969). Presumably the commissioning date means that it's their first all-new hull, as opposed to all the reconditioned SLN vessels they run.
Clan Scorpion Seekers find a Peregrine-class warship in the T-892 system, six jumps from Erewhon.
Is there any other mention in other book about this warship class?
We've known about that one since StratOps - it's the first Jade Falcon-built WarShip, launched in 2969.
Blood Spirit:
Blood Fury, reported sunk ca. August 3064, p15
Cloud Cobra:
Protector, fought at Tanis 28 August 3069, p39
Inquisitor, fought at Tanis 28 August 3069, p39
Coyote:
Windrunner, fought at Shadow late 3069, p39
Diamond Shark:
Bloodletter, sunk at Strana Mechty 20 September 3070
Predator, sunk at Strana Mechty 20 September 3070
Unnamed, sunk? at Strana Mechty 20 September 3070
Unnamed, sunk? at Strana Mechty 20 September 3070
Swift Strike, escaped Strana Mechty 20 September 3070
Fire Mandrill:
Rancor, departed York 3067, p16
Reaver, fought at Shadow late 3069, p39
Goliath Scorpion:
*Bernlad, fought at Lum December 3068, p40
Sagitta, crippled at Roche March 3069, captured by Snow Ravens p42
Garlon, captured at Roche by Snow Ravens March 3069 p42
Enceladus, captured at Roche by Snow Ravens March 3069 p42
Prometheus, captured at Roche by Snow Ravens March 3069 p42
Hell's Horses:
Blood Horse, stationed at Noveaux Paris 3 September 3070, p55
Jade Falcon:
Gauntlet, sunk at Lum February 3070, p48
Ironhold Provider, sunk at Lum February 3070, p48
Blue Aerie, sunk at Lum February 3070, p48
White Aerie, escaped Lum February 3070, p48
Snow Raven:
Swift Wind Naval Star, all ships sunk at Ramora early 3069 p40
Avalanche, fought at Lum 12 October 3065, p21
White Cloud, sunk by Draconis Combine ca. 3068, p35
Snowflake, fought at Strana Mechty ca. 3068, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
*Unnamed sunk at Lum December 3068, p40
*Unnamed sunk at Lum December 3068, p40
*Bloody Talon, fought at Lum December 3068, p40, sunk at Lum December 3068 p40
Black Justice, fought at Roche March 3069 p42, escaped Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Nestling, fought at Galedon V ca. June 3069, p43, sunk one jump from Galedon V ca June 3069, p43
Mountbatten, sunk one jump from Galedon V ca June 3069, p43
Storm Crow, sunk one jump from Galedon V ca June 3069, p43
Vision of Terra, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Rook, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Venture Star, escaped Lum ca. October 3070 p53, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Black Beard, escaped Lum ca. October 3070 p53, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Lord Death, escaped Lum ca. October 3070 p53, escaped Lum ca. October 3070 p54
Snow Raven, sunk at Dante 3081 p64
Star Adder:
Vritra, sunk 3067 at York, p16
Liberator-class Constantineau, sunk at Strana Mechty ca. 3068
*Cho Polu, sunk at Lum December 3068, p40
Stellar Serpent, stationed at York ca. 3070 p42
Trump, sunk in unlocated Trial 3070 p54
Pompeii, stationed at York ca. 3070 p54
Exodus Ranger, stationed at York ca. 3070 p54
Steel Viper:
Fredasa-class Pit Viper, sunk at Lum 12 October 3065, p21
Pride of New Kent, severe damage at Lum 12 October 3065, p21
Sanra Mercer severe,damage at Lum 12 October 3065, p21
Dark Asp, fought at Ironhold November 3069, p47
Zalman's Endeavor, fought at Ironhold November 3069, p47
Steel Python, fought at Ironhold November 3069, p47
Snake Pit, fought at Ironhold November 3069, p47
Snake-in-the-Grass, fought at Ironhold November 3069, p47
Martial Legacy, fought at Lum February 3070, p48
Leviathan Prime-class Perigard Zalman, fought at Strana Mechty 20 September 3070 p51, fought at Lum ca. October 3070 p52
Coiled Serpent, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Wolf:
Provider, traded to Coyotes ca Feb. 3071, p61
Relentless Pursuit, traded to Coyotes ca Feb. 3071, p61
Other:
Multiple unknown WarShips, possibly reactivated from Cache between CC, SA, SV ca. 3065, p22
Masters shipyard at New Kent ca 3065, p22
*Multiple naval engagements at Lum December 3068, multiple unnamed ships present on CSA and CSR sides
Unknown Peregine-class, seen at System T-892, p58
Texas-class Prinz Eugen, fought at Priori, Vinton, Paxon, and Marshall 3071, stationed at Tanis 3072, p61Since we have modly people posting without kiboshing posts of data outside the spoiler thread, I'll drop this here. Up to page 61 so far.Code: [Select]Blood Spirit:
Blood Fury, reported sunk ca. August 3064, p15
Cloud Cobra:
Protector, fought at Tanis 28 August 3069, p39
Inquisitor, fought at Tanis 28 August 3069, p39
Coyote:
Windrunner, fought at Shadow late 3069, p39
Diamond Shark:
Bloodletter, sunk at Strana Mechty 20 September 3070
Predator, sunk at Strana Mechty 20 September 3070
Unnamed, sunk? at Strana Mechty 20 September 3070
Unnamed, sunk? at Strana Mechty 20 September 3070
Swift Strike, escaped Strana Mechty 20 September 3070
Fire Mandrill:
Rancor, departed York 3067, p16
Reaver, fought at Shadow late 3069, p39
Goliath Scorpion:
*Bernlad, fought at Lum December 3068, p40
Sagitta, crippled at Roche March 3069, captured by Snow Ravens p42
Garlon, captured at Roche by Snow Ravens March 3069 p42
Enceladus, captured at Roche by Snow Ravens March 3069 p42
Prometheus, captured at Roche by Snow Ravens March 3069 p42
Hell's Horses:
Blood Horse, stationed at Noveaux Paris 3 September 3070, p55
Jade Falcon:
Gauntlet, sunk at Lum February 3070, p48
Ironhold Provider, sunk at Lum February 3070, p48
Blue Aerie, sunk at Lum February 3070, p48
White Aerie, escaped Lum February 3070, p48
Snow Raven:
Swift Wind Naval Star, all ships sunk at Ramora early 3069 p40
Avalanche, fought at Lum 12 October 3065, p21
White Cloud, sunk by Draconis Combine ca. 3068, p35
Snowflake, fought at Strana Mechty ca. 3068, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
*Unnamed sunk at Lum December 3068, p40
*Unnamed sunk at Lum December 3068, p40
*Bloody Talon, fought at Lum December 3068, p40, sunk at Lum December 3068 p40
Black Justice, fought at Roche March 3069 p42, escaped Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Nestling, fought at Galedon V ca. June 3069, p43, sunk one jump from Galedon V ca June 3069, p43
Mountbatten, sunk one jump from Galedon V ca June 3069, p43
Storm Crow, sunk one jump from Galedon V ca June 3069, p43
Vision of Terra, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Rook, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Venture Star, escaped Lum ca. October 3070 p53, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Black Beard, escaped Lum ca. October 3070 p53, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Lord Death, escaped Lum ca. October 3070 p53, escaped Lum ca. October 3070 p54
Snow Raven, sunk at Dante 3081 p64
Star Adder:
Vritra, sunk 3067 at York, p16
Liberator-class Constantineau, sunk at Strana Mechty ca. 3068
*Cho Polu, sunk at Lum December 3068, p40
Stellar Serpent, stationed at York ca. 3070 p42
Trump, sunk in unlocated Trial 3070 p54
Pompeii, stationed at York ca. 3070 p54
Exodus Ranger, stationed at York ca. 3070 p54
Steel Viper:
Fredasa-class Pit Viper, sunk at Lum 12 October 3065, p21
Pride of New Kent, severe damage at Lum 12 October 3065, p21
Sanra Mercer severe,damage at Lum 12 October 3065, p21
Dark Asp, fought at Ironhold November 3069, p47
Zalman's Endeavor, fought at Ironhold November 3069, p47
Steel Python, fought at Ironhold November 3069, p47
Snake Pit, fought at Ironhold November 3069, p47
Snake-in-the-Grass, fought at Ironhold November 3069, p47
Martial Legacy, fought at Lum February 3070, p48
Leviathan Prime-class Perigard Zalman, fought at Strana Mechty 20 September 3070 p51, fought at Lum ca. October 3070 p52
Coiled Serpent, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Wolf:
Provider, traded to Coyotes ca Feb. 3071, p61
Relentless Pursuit, traded to Coyotes ca Feb. 3071, p61
Other:
Multiple unknown WarShips, possibly reactivated from Cache between CC, SA, SV ca. 3065, p22
Masters shipyard at New Kent ca 3065, p22
*Multiple naval engagements at Lum December 3068, multiple unnamed ships present on CSA and CSR sides
Unknown Peregine-class, seen at System T-892, p58
Texas-class Prinz Eugen, fought at Priori, Vinton, Paxon, and Marshall 3071, stationed at Tanis 3072, p61
By my count that's 26 sunk starting from Blood Fury through to 3071, and I have only gotten a fourth of the way through the book. Looks like we get a lot of dead boats; hoping there'll be more hard data on the CC/SA/SV activations later that I missed. Guess we'll need a new version of the chart soon.
p.15 of Strategic Operations: Clan Jade Falcon's first WarShip (2969). Presumably the commissioning date means that it's their first all-new hull, as opposed to all the reconditioned SLN vessels they run.
BlackAce was the one who was doing it; he's evidently waiting on the Field Reports.
Yeah, the discussions of ships captured, sunk, recovered and sunk again such as the Sagitta will put loops in these counts :PIt was putting loops in my brain around page 110...
It was putting loops in my brain around page 110...
Wait until the recursion kicks in.no, that was the necrosia.
Since we have modly people posting without kiboshing posts of data outside the spoiler thread, I'll drop this here. Up to page 61 so far.Code: [Select]Blood Spirit:
Blood Fury, reported sunk ca. August 3064, p15
Cloud Cobra:
Protector, fought at Tanis 28 August 3069, p39
Inquisitor, fought at Tanis 28 August 3069, p39
Coyote:
Windrunner, fought at Shadow late 3069, p39
Diamond Shark:
Bloodletter, sunk at Strana Mechty 20 September 3070
Predator, sunk at Strana Mechty 20 September 3070
Unnamed, sunk? at Strana Mechty 20 September 3070
Unnamed, sunk? at Strana Mechty 20 September 3070
Swift Strike, escaped Strana Mechty 20 September 3070
Fire Mandrill:
Rancor, departed York 3067, p16
Reaver, fought at Shadow late 3069, p39
Goliath Scorpion:
*Bernlad, fought at Lum December 3068, p40
Sagitta, crippled at Roche March 3069, captured by Snow Ravens p42
Garlon, captured at Roche by Snow Ravens March 3069 p42
Enceladus, captured at Roche by Snow Ravens March 3069 p42
Prometheus, captured at Roche by Snow Ravens March 3069 p42
Hell's Horses:
Blood Horse, stationed at Noveaux Paris 3 September 3070, p55
Jade Falcon:
Gauntlet, sunk at Lum February 3070, p48
Ironhold Provider, sunk at Lum February 3070, p48
Blue Aerie, sunk at Lum February 3070, p48
White Aerie, escaped Lum February 3070, p48
Snow Raven:
Swift Wind Naval Star, all ships sunk at Ramora early 3069 p40
Avalanche, fought at Lum 12 October 3065, p21
White Cloud, sunk by Draconis Combine ca. 3068, p35
Snowflake, fought at Strana Mechty ca. 3068, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
*Unnamed sunk at Lum December 3068, p40
*Unnamed sunk at Lum December 3068, p40
*Bloody Talon, fought at Lum December 3068, p40, sunk at Lum December 3068 p40
Black Justice, fought at Roche March 3069 p42, escaped Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Nestling, fought at Galedon V ca. June 3069, p43, sunk one jump from Galedon V ca June 3069, p43
Mountbatten, sunk one jump from Galedon V ca June 3069, p43
Storm Crow, sunk one jump from Galedon V ca June 3069, p43
Vision of Terra, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Rook, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Venture Star, escaped Lum ca. October 3070 p53, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Black Beard, escaped Lum ca. October 3070 p53, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Lord Death, escaped Lum ca. October 3070 p53, escaped Lum ca. October 3070 p54
Snow Raven, sunk at Dante 3081 p64
Star Adder:
Vritra, sunk 3067 at York, p16
Liberator-class Constantineau, sunk at Strana Mechty ca. 3068
*Cho Polu, sunk at Lum December 3068, p40
Stellar Serpent, stationed at York ca. 3070 p42
Trump, sunk in unlocated Trial 3070 p54
Pompeii, stationed at York ca. 3070 p54
Exodus Ranger, stationed at York ca. 3070 p54
Steel Viper:
Fredasa-class Pit Viper, sunk at Lum 12 October 3065, p21
Pride of New Kent, severe damage at Lum 12 October 3065, p21
Sanra Mercer severe,damage at Lum 12 October 3065, p21
Dark Asp, fought at Ironhold November 3069, p47
Zalman's Endeavor, fought at Ironhold November 3069, p47
Steel Python, fought at Ironhold November 3069, p47
Snake Pit, fought at Ironhold November 3069, p47
Snake-in-the-Grass, fought at Ironhold November 3069, p47
Martial Legacy, fought at Lum February 3070, p48
Leviathan Prime-class Perigard Zalman, fought at Strana Mechty 20 September 3070 p51, fought at Lum ca. October 3070 p52
Coiled Serpent, sunk at Lum ca. October 3070 p53
Wolf:
Provider, traded to Coyotes ca Feb. 3071, p61
Relentless Pursuit, traded to Coyotes ca Feb. 3071, p61
Other:
Multiple unknown WarShips, possibly reactivated from Cache between CC, SA, SV ca. 3065, p22
Masters shipyard at New Kent ca 3065, p22
*Multiple naval engagements at Lum December 3068, multiple unnamed ships present on CSA and CSR sides
Unknown Peregine-class, seen at System T-892, p58
Texas-class Prinz Eugen, fought at Priori, Vinton, Paxon, and Marshall 3071, stationed at Tanis 3072, p61
By my count that's 26 sunk starting from Blood Fury through to 3071, and I have only gotten a fourth of the way through the book. Looks like we get a lot of dead boats; hoping there'll be more hard data on the CC/SA/SV activations later that I missed. Guess we'll need a new version of the chart soon.
Picking through Klondike, I've found the following. Someone might want to doublecheck against the Lists, make sure I didn't miss anything, and I very strongly insist that this is not at all an exhaustive combing through the book. But it should be done, and that first entry does give an idea of what happened to a lot of the unlisted...
Rebels:
Wreckage of "scores" of WarShips and DropShips destroyed previously at Dagda cache
Five unspecified active ships (and unknown inactive) in the Arcadia cache engaged and captured by Clan units, p41
Texas-class: Perth surrendered to Clan ships over Arcadia p42
Riga-class: Admiral Schone sunk by Clan ships over Arcadia p42
Congress-class: Unnamed sunk at Circe cache p44
Quixote-class: Unnamed escaped Circe cache p44 then disappeared completely from System EC821-387D p47
McKenna-class: Unnamed apparently sunk at Circe cache p44
Sovietskii Soyuz-class: Unnamed apparently sunk at Circe cache p44
Potemkin-class: Unnamed escaped Circe cache p44 then captured System EC821-387D p47
Vincent-class: Unnamed captured or sunk at Circe cache p45, Unnamed captured or sunk at Circe cache p45
Unspecified Clan:
Cameron-class: Admiral Gerda Cameron, takes Circe cache p44
Black Lion-class: Thunderbolt, takes Circe cache p44
Avatar-class: Korat, takes Circe cache p44
Unnamed Sovietskii Soyuz-class, takes Circe cache p44
Unnamed Cameron-class, possibly Admiral Gerda Cameron, takes Circe cache p44
Unnamed Essex-class, takes Circe cache p44
Unnamed Whirlwind-class, takes Circe cache p44
Burrock:
Avatar-class: Constantineau, takes Dagda cache p46
Cloud Cobra:
Aegis-class: Inquisitor, crippled and mothballed for "decades" p43
McKenna-class: Second Coming, takes Babylon naval cache p43
Hell's Horses:
Aegis-class: Minotaur, provides fire support to ground forces p91
Snow Raven:
McKenna-class: James McKenna, takes Circe cache p44
Widowmaker:
Lola III-class: Black Venom, sunk in jump accident at Dagda cache p46
Or could have been part of the unspecified mothball fleet; if they were reactivated on-site at Circe (I forget, don't feel like looking it up, sue me I'm lazy) that would make them Raven reserves. Certainly one big bad bunch to keep lying around, but with the limits on Warriors the idea of having that many ships might just have been untenable.
That doesn't mean that finding, training, and maintaining competency of that many Warriors in a fairly specialized discipline isn't a problem.Agreed. Even if the only warriors (besides marines) on a ship are the officers and gunners, we are still talking about an absolute minimum of about 20 (Fredasa) to well over 120 (McKenna), including senior officers of Star Colonel rank for command. Active duty warriors have priority; this is going to leave holes in the command chain and gunner ranks of "lesser" ships, which will have to be filled by A) unqualified active personnel, B) recent promotions/graduating cadets, C) reactivated retired officers (i.e. solahma).
I think that this was the one place where Clan way hadn't been completely thought out, or maybe it had as a way to limit the Fleet sizes for each Clan.
I won't post a detailed list just yet, but a quick scan of LoT I gave me ten new class-and-names for the SLN, all of them heavyweights. One of them is Big E. [rockon]
Page 78 second paragraph under Last Stand of the Grand Old Queen about the last stand of the SLS Dreadnought.
Just read that... now if we can get that read in the voice of Lorne Greene, perfect O0!
Actually, we did get RWS Stephan Amaris, but no class. Also got a named RWR Invader, but the name escapes me right now.
Just read that... now if we can get that read in the voice of Lorne Greene, perfect O0!
Just read that... now if we can get that read in the voice of Lorne Greene, perfect O0!It might be an Actor Allusion - EJO's character on Miami Vice was Lt. Castillo. ::)
I get the references to Battlestar Galactica, and the sinking of the Bismarck, but does Rear Admiral Martin Castillo have a reference somewhere?
It might be an Actor Allusion - EJO's character on Miami Vice was Lt. Castillo. ::)
Well I really doubt the FWLN ships were stolen while sitting in drydock, thats for sure.
Ah yes. RWS Apollo's Saddle was the JumpShip. Still, the lack of examples of names and classes for the unexpectedly large RWR Navy does make me a sad panda. I certainly can guess what classes they were, but it always makes me giddy to see a few specifics. ;)What do you think Lot Vol. 2 is going to be full off?
I'd settle for either, as long as they're actual battleships, as opposed to a historian calling them such simply because they're ships meant for battle.
Besides, a Monsoon would look gorgeous in DCA grey-and-red. I'm pretty sure such ex-Hegemony ships would not be Dreadnoughts, and the Farragut is WAY too advanced to be sold to the Houses. Why are we spoiler-tagging this again?
I'm trying to respect folks who haven't read H:LoT V1. The paper back version isn't out and i believe not everyone has the PDF.
Its funny I've been looking for that book all day through out my collection as I got Era Report: 2750 in the mail today. I could have sworn I had it in DTF though.I'm still waiting for mine as well...
Just flipping through the list to see how the massive GhostBear fleet held up during my long hiatu ~ WTH?!!?
WHAT DID YOU DO?!?!?! GAH! THE HELL HAPPENED WHILE I WAS AWAY?!
:o
You should have seen the other guy.
I'm pretty certain the Dragoons had five warships total,with four destroyed early on in 3067 (over Mars and Outreach) and the last by 3070.
I think I'm going to stop visiting this thread. It just gets sad seeing the long litany of ships that we don't have any more. Can somebody let me know when we start seeing fleets increase again?
Regarding the question of whether WarShips will ever come back in a big way, I think perhaps the real question is: Are Pocket-Warships an actual improvement over WarShips or are they a crude substitute? If it's the latter, the odds of WarShips coming back are good; if it's the former, they're not so good. Of course, that's assuming there are not any major changes in tech level in the Inner Sphere.There is no question that they are but a crude substitute; even a SL era destroyer can wipe out a squadron of canon PWS in short order. Even positively deadly custom killer Super PWS will die quickly under warship fire.
Even though PW are tin cans compared to the full bruiser of a WarShip, when there are so few WarShips, it is really a moot point, as the PW's will be fighting each other 90% of the time.
Yeah, but when the big boys come to play, the Piddy-WiddyS better run or they will die.
Unless said Piddy-Widdy has a couple of nuclear-tipped cap missiles handy...
Yeah, but when the big boys come to play, the Piddy-WiddyS better run or they will die.
If you want to invade a world guarded by a big boy, bring your own or prepare for staggering losses.
One problem with WarShips is a lot of people complained when we actually used the WarShips in battles. No matter how we fought using them, it was wrong. Stand up fight - wrong. Nuclear missiles - wrong.
And thats one ship out of thousands.I guarantee you, thousands of SLDF ships have not been named.
I guarantee you, thousands of SLDF ships have not been named.
| Name Marlowe Pioneer Cochran Beijing Yorktown Badger Crowned Lion Richmond Davion's Heart Elle Weasel Gettysburg Iverson Marseilles Oslo Peeples Rondeau Monitor Beatrice Muraca Rex Aegis Allason Bamborough Boyle E. Presley General Stuart Hutton Impetuous Knight Manassas Minotaur Plunkitt Spark Admiral Schone Dave Smith Lee Smith Linsenmayer Long March Marsala Noble House Rickover Star Devil Walker Conklin Huisman Koga Michael Norman Nelson Talitha Flyer Theodor Logan Tripitz Unah Williams Budapest Damascus Karkhov Oppelt Raulfestone Sovetskii Soyuz Walterbeek White Cloud Kishimoto Lakshmi Morello Trossen Zimmerman Electa Franklin Lady Shandra Reinhard Saint Joan Rhodan Van der Bergh Van Gogh Quicksilver Mongoose Barham Cochran Richelie Thunderer Beas Kness Bills Hermes Mason Riga Snowflake Bismark Mountbatton Nebraska Perth Prinz Eugen Saunders Wales Doles Enterprise McKenna McKenna's Pride Sovereign Justice Spicer Star League Zughoffer Weir | Class Tracker Vigilant Bonaventure Samarkand Samarkand Vincent Vincent Vincent Davion Whirlwind Whirlwind Essex Essex Essex Essex Essex Essex Essex I Lola I Lola III Lola III Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Riga Congress Congress Congress Congress Congress Congress Congress Congress Congress Volga Black Lion Black Lion Black Lion Black Lion Black Lion Black Lion Black Lion Black Lion Black Lion Sovetskii Soyuz Sovetskii Soyuz Sovetskii Soyuz Sovetskii Soyuz Sovetskii Soyuz Sovetskii Soyuz Sovetskii Soyuz Sovetskii Soyuz Avatar Avatar Avatar Avatar Avatar Cameron Cameron Cameron Cameron Cameron Luxor Luxor Luxor Du Shi Wang Monsoon Monsoon Monsoon Monsoon Potemkin Potemkin Potemkin Potemkin Potemkin Potemkin Texas Texas Texas Texas Texas Texas Texas McKenna McKenna McKenna McKenna McKenna McKenna McKenna McKenna | Type Surveillance Corvette Corvette Carrier Carrier Corvette Corvette Corvette Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Frigate Frigate Frigate Frigate Frigate Frigate Frigate Frigate Frigate Frigate Transport Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Cruiser Cruiser Cruiser Cruiser Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Troop Cruiser Troop Cruiser Troop Cruiser Troop Cruiser Troop Cruiser Troop Cruiser Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship | Current Status Unknown Abandoned - Paran Destroyed (Samarkand II) Unknown (Samarkand II) Unknown (Vincent Mk 39) Unknown (Clan Wolverine) (Vincent Mk 39) Unknown (Vincent Mk 39) Rechristened Liberty Destroyed - Vakarel Unknown Unknown (Clan Wolverine) Destroyed - Terra Unknown Unknown Rechristened Raven Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Destroyed - Epsilon Eridani Unknown Unknown Damaged - Star's End Unknown Destroyed - Epsilon Eridani Unknown (Clan boneyard) Destroyed - Epsilon Eridani Rechristened Nueva Badajoz Unknown Destroyed - Time Warp Unknown Unknown Unknown Destroyed - Arcadia Unknown Unknown Unknown Destroyed - Exodus Civil War Unknown Destroyed - Exodus Civil War Destroyed - Vakarel Destroyed - Periphery Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Destroyed - Exodus Civil War Rechristened Xanthos Unknown Destroyed - Terra Destroyed - Periphery Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Rechristened Dire Wolf Unknown Unknown Destroyed - Terra Unknown Destroyed - Draconis Combine Unknown Destroyed - Flintoft Unknown Unknown Unknown Rechristened StarSword Unknown Rechristened Invisible Truth Unknown Destroyed - Periphery Destroyed Unknown Destroyed - Terra Clan Mongoose - Destroyed by Smoke Jaguars Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Rechristened Treachery Unknown Unknown Unknown Salvaged (Clan Wolverine) Active (Clan Snow Raven) Destroyed - Periphery Unknown Clan Prison Ship Unknown Unknown Unknown Destroyed - Terra Unknown Active - Strana Mechty Unknown Unknown Destroyed - Terra Unknown (Clan Wolverine) (Rechristened Blake's Sword?) |
Very nice list! I swear, mine must have been an older file because I SWEAR I added many of the FM:SLDF ships that you have but that my list omits.
However, your list appears to violate your own rule 3 in some places. For example, SLS Keckenburg. FM: SLDF puts it as the command ship of the 43rd Interdiction Squadron, based around a core of Black Lion BCs. However, it does not actually say that Keckenburg is one of those BCs. Therefore, we cannot assume it to be a Black Lion.
Also, it seems that many of the ships you've omitted are from the fleet roster art in FM:U, page 9. The full uncropped image was later posted by the artist, giving us many name-and-classes your list omits. While the lowest form of canon, art is still canon until it is superseded.
For example, SLS Keckenburg. FM: SLDF puts it as the command ship of the 43rd Interdiction Squadron, based around a core of Black Lion BCs. However, it does not actually say that Keckenburg is one of those BCs. Therefore, we cannot assume it to be a Black Lion.:-[
Also, it seems that many of the ships you've omitted are from the fleet roster art in FM:U, page 9.ACK! I knew I forgot something big. Now, to dig up that artwork. It's out there on the internet somewhere...
Good luck!Well I need more luck. If you have some please share.
Good luck!Well I am no Liam Neeson. I have not been able find the artwork.
The question would really be did Kerensky parse out the boneyards into Clan hands after the Wolverines left. The Stuart could have ended up in one of the Clans caches rather than be sitting in a mothball fleet only a few years after that.It seems likely that they were parsed out. The Wars of Reaving list numerous ships being brought out of naval caches by individual clans (Silver Snake from the Vipers, Damascus and Budapest from the Cobras, and Deal Breaker and Marseilles from the Sharks) from their respective naval caches. Additionally, it refers to "three Star League vessels" that were warships assigned to part of the Mongoose naval cache. It also comments that the Adders caches are empty and that the Lions have two warships left.
After all, we have the SLS Quicksilver Mongoose, Davion's Heart, Star Devil, White Cloud, SnowflakeAh but many of those are themselves suspect names. Davion's Heart was on loan to the SLDF from House Davion and crews, at least Inner Sphere crews, are not quick to change names of already christened vessels.
That would lend credence to the idea that ships with specific names were given to clans related to those names. Of course it is an absolutely ridiculous way to divide up ships, but the Clans have done stupider, or at least weirder, things before.
Additionally, it refers to "three Star League vessels" that were warships assigned to part of the Mongoose naval cache. It also comments that the Adders caches are empty and that the Lions have two warships left.What you are saying here reminded me of something over on Sarna, not the best source, but if it's accurate it very interesting
All of this suggests that the remaining caches were divided up to each of the nineteen post-Wolverine clans. Furthermore, given that the Betrayal of Ideals explicitly refers to it as an "Exodus Fleet" and not as any individual clan cache, I think it is safe to call the General Stuart a Star League name.
The Grand Council would even allow them to trade land to certain Clans for the right to take an unspecified amount of WarShips (but not many) from naval caches in order to recoup losses to their shattered fleet.[11]That reference is to Era Digest: Golden Century, p. 9 - "Warriors Above Politicians"
Now that the Jihad is over, we know the entire Warship roster of most factions. We know their names, and their classes.No, in 3025 NO Successor State had ANY Warships, in fact the only non-Clan power to posses Warships at the time was ComStar
Back during the 3025 era, the Successor States had their warships reduced to a tiny number- rather like the Post-Jihad era. But what information do we have on that? Did the Successor States have ANY warships? (and if so, do we have ANY information on them?)
So the handing out of Warships possibly happened after Clan Mongoose or the Smoke Jaguars brought Warships from the other clans after destroying Clan MongooseThe actual text is even more clear. The Jaguars had to buy votes on the GC with former Mongoose territory in order to gain access to the naval caches. Why would they need that if they already had their own naval caches?
There own caches probably didn't have anything usable or they already had plundered them for usable ships. Heck they could have traded there's off or didn't have a cache and kept all there ships in service and kept none for a rainy day. A good bet might be the Jags traded there warships to the Ravens for mechs after Klondike and the Snow Ravens were building up.Except that the text from Golden Century is unequivocal about the Jags needing Grand Council permission to rebuild their fleet from the caches. It wasn't because they traded their ships away, it was because the Mongooses had savaged them in the absorption.
It would seem odd that the Jags would need permission to make use of their own Naval Caches wouldn't it.Hence why SCC and I are saying that the caches were distributed after the Jaguars absorbed the Mongooses.
The Quicksilver Mongoose, though, is a real doozy. It is quite clear, based on the timeline in TRO:3075, that that is indeed the Star League name. And in that case, yes, it is suspiciously convenient that a ship named the Quicksilver Mongoose winds up in the hands of Clan Mongoose. That would lend credence to the idea that ships with specific names were given to clans related to those names. Of course it is an absolutely ridiculous way to divide up ships, but the Clans have done stupider, or at least weirder, things before.
The Zhejiang was not destroyed by the Medusans. It was lost in a misjump.Yes and no. According to Mercs: Supplemental Upgrade, p. 90:
Yes and no. According to Mercs: Supplemental Upgrade, p. 90:
"Although the Medusan fleet managed to deliver several telling blows in the exchange (ultimately contributing to the Zhejiang’s destruction during the fall back from New Syrtis months later), the mercenaries were forced to retreat to Firgrove."
The Medusans didn't destroy the Zhejiang in battle, but did contribute to her destruction.
The file says the Medusans destroyed her. She was destroyed by misjump.
The current list isn't being updated anymore. I think who was doing it dropped out of the game.
Hey, who was that guy that put out a listing of references for warship actions that was like 87 pages long?
<wink> <wink>
Again, great ship (also one of my favorites), but from my read I always thought she was bigger.
Perceptions and expectations, nothing more. There was nothing in text which suggested she was anything bigger than 100 kT, but I just expected something more akin to a Black Lion to be honest.
Oh well, I like that she now has a class, and I am glad to see the Dante's are still around!
And we finally know the Fart! :DCould have been the Osis or Streaking Mist
Dante-class Flatus
Could have been the Osis or Streaking MistI thought from Wars of Reaving that the Osis was encountered by Ice Hellion forces retreating from their failed invasion of the Inner Sphere, with the remaining crew persuaded to join the Hellions, the Osis cannibalised for bits to repair the Hellion ship, and then pushed into orbit of the nearby star to burn up?
Yeah, the fates of both ex-Jag vessels are pretty clearly spelled out from what I recall.
So, I see a few ships went missing between FM3085 and FM3145...I'm wondering where Aegis came from for the Republic. It wasn't there before..
I'm wondering where Aegis came from for the Republic. It wasn't there before..
I'm wondering where Aegis came from for the Republic. It wasn't there before..It and the Triumphus were the last two ships from the Nova Cat touaman at the end of the Jihad, and were passed over to the ROTS . (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/SLS_Blade)
. . . will that class just DIE already!!!! :o
The Fidelis are a Republic force, and their ship is a Republic ship.
I thought the Fidelis's ship was their ship, they happening owe the Republic a debt. *Mainly to Stone*
The last FSN Warship is the Admiral Braille (sp?), a Fox-class.
and its not the Andrew Davion. (where the heck did they put that ship anyway?)It's off fighting aliens. Either that or the navigator slipped in the shower and accidently jumped into a star.
It's off fighting aliens. Either that or the navigator slipped in the shower and accidently jumped into a star.
Øystein
Seriously? Throwing that one at us? Lets just have the stupid thing show back up at the last minute. The Federated Suns needs there warship back.
The ship has been missing for 80 years. Draw your own conclusions.
With regards,
Øystein
Caught just before it slips into a black hole...
Andromeda?
So, the Sea Foxes have a few Warships kicking around:
6 Potemkin's (4 carrying the names of previous ships)
3 Carrack-class
15 Merchant Carrack-class
3 Volga-class
1 Lola III-class
1 Sovetskii Soyuz-class
We know that the Sov used to be the Nagasawa, but none of the other ships carry familiar names.
FSS Andrew Davion is curently orbiting Kaetetôã.
TT
It's off fighting aliens.
Øystein
I'm actually liking the switch to pocket warships they seem to integrate into the lore much better than capital ships. Kinda glad there are still a few old warhorses guarding the Capitals though.
It does fit with the fluff is TRO3025 for the Overlord, that it was the last survivng relatives of the battlecruisers of the Srar League...If only the SL had made use of Pocket Warships but
I've always loved the canon warship list here. I'm starting to wonder though if maybe it should be basically moved over to sarna somehow, not as an excel spreadsheet, as a sarna wiki page. I know lists of named warships are popping up there in bits and pieces it just can't be regarded as a "complete" list yet, and some of the canon warship list I don't see over there. The potential advantage being another subcategory that somehow breaks it down by era AND faction. A lot of the new additions are going to be historicals.Getting the individual WarShips, JumpShips and DropShips listed as individual unit pages (in the style of Wookiepedia for Star Wars) has been a project for Frabby and me on Sarna for the last six months or so. The results so far are summarised on category pages here:
Some of it can be found there, but usually under an individual warship class's page. I'd love to see a sarna page of just "named warships" as a category style listing, linking you to the ship class page in many cases.
Food for thought.
It's be worth posing an Ask the Writers question - it may have been lost in some random skirmish, but if it survived the Blakist attacks at the back end of the Jihad, then it may have been lost in the battle that saw Oriente capture the Delos from the Regulans.
Per Field Report: FWLM page 6, in 3079 the WarShip yard at Ionus in the Marik Commonwealth was the last yard held by a Successor State capable of manufacturing WarShip engine and K-F drive components, although trading such components was considered impossible and estimates at the time suggested that the Commonwealth lacked the economic oomph to produce a new WarShip fleet itself.
Now did Oriente capture the Delos or did the writers just get them mixed up? I think I assumed that the Delos died elsewhere and that the Santorini is still over Oriente with a crippled drive (per Field Report: FWLM).
That would be an odd coincidence for the Santorini to be lost, only to be replaced in the same system with another Thera with the same crippled drive problem.
Per Field Report: FWLM page 6, in 3079 the WarShip yard at Ionus in the Marik Commonwealth was the last yard held by a Successor State capable of manufacturing WarShip engine and K-F drive components, although trading such components was considered impossible and estimates at the time suggested that the Commonwealth lacked the economic oomph to produce a new WarShip fleet itself.
Per Field Report: FWLM page 6, in 3079 the WarShip yard at Ionus in the Marik Commonwealth was the last yard held by a Successor State capable of manufacturing WarShip engine and K-F drive components, although trading such components was considered impossible and estimates at the time suggested that the Commonwealth lacked the economic oomph to produce a new WarShip fleet itself.
Now that the League is reformed, that could change...The reformed Free Worlds League is larger than the Marik-Stewart Commonwealth was, but not as big as the old League was. The Lyrans don't seem to be a threat, but the Regulans and Wolf Empire are still around and antagonistic, and the League is also missing Andurien's economic input. Anything's possible, but I suspect that military spending decisions in the new League are a bit like a knife fight in a broom cupboard - someone would have to decide to pour money into reactivating the shipyards and getting them producing rather than producing 'Mechs/Fighters/DropShips. Unless the writers have a specific reason for wanting to see WarShip production start again at Ionus, I'm guessing it probably won't - and starting WarShip production there would seem to make the site an immediate high-priority target for neighbourly belligerence.
Wait a second... is Ionus in the region of the MSCommonwealth taken by the wolves? Could the empire have a yard?Ionus isn't a Wolf Empire world according to my notes, but I don't have my copy of the book at work.
Ionus sits right between Atreus and the Wolf Empire.
I'm pretty certain Ionis days are numbered. The writers will definatly take this chance to kill another shipyard.
I figure Olympic had a battle history that made it the more prestigious ship.
Remember, flagships do not need to be the biggest one in the fleet. Look at Clan Wolf, who used a heavy cruiser for their flag, despite the presence of multiple battleships and battlecruisers.
I seem to recall reading about the order of battle in one of the battles in the Pacific theater during WW2. One of the American fleets involved in this particular battle had a couple battleships in it, but as I recall, the admiral in command of that particular portion flew his flag on a cruiser...Admiral Spruance commanded Fifth Fleet from USS Indianapolis (CA-35) for much of the war.
Ruger
Remember, flagships do not need to be the biggest one in the fleet. Look at Clan Wolf, who used a heavy cruiser for their flag, despite the presence of multiple battleships and battlecruisers.As a real historic example, take Vice Admiral Takeo Kurita. He had the two biggest battleships ever in his squadron (Yamato and Musashi), yet his flagship initially was the cruiser Atago which had less than a sixth of the tonnage of either of the battleships.
Has someone already extracted the list of Raven warships that participated in Operation Revival ?All of them? Or at least all of them in service at the time, really there's no reason to have them in service expect for something like that
I had little time today, was reading Handbook: House Kurita. Page 38, mentions (it was mentioned in the past.) that two Battleships Kumamoto and Shizuoka defected to General Kerensky's army during the liberation of Terra campaign years. I wonder if we'll ever find out what of battleship the book was talking about. The back door into new/old design as far I know is closed, Field Report 2765: DCMS mentions only two classes were ever produced by the Combine. I'd only imagine that two ships were either Narukami-class Destroyers being called "Battleships" verse calling them WarShips or these were old ship designs from Terran Hegemony they hidden away until Star League Civil War open hostilities with SLDF.Battleship classes are somewhat rare, based on the detail published so far. Of the Dreadnoughts, four survived into the Star League era, and three of those were scrapped or given to museums. The text for the Farragut says that the last was decomissioned and scheduled for dismantling in 2766, although at least one Farragut survived long enough to become a Blakist WarShip, and another is visible in art from the Exodus. There's no sign of the SLDF selling on either McKenna or Texas class ships, and the last Monsoon was decomissioned in 2668, although Field Report: Periphery 2765 has seven Monsoons in the RWR navy. So, maybe the Capellans sold the Combine some Du Shi Wangs, or the Free Worlds League sold them some Atreus class ships, but my money would be on the two Combine ships being a pair of Monsoons they'd bought and mothballed, and restored to working order after 2765. Given that the sourcebooks have been steadily closing out all the named but unstatted classes, I think it's unlikely the Combine had a battleship class lurking around out there that's never been named before.
Personally, love to see the Kuritans getting their hands something bigger than cruiser. I'm not holding my breath. :P
But that would give the Combine a homegrown battleship class of their own...
I think EVERY realm would build itself a battleship...If only that were true...
TRO: Golden Century, that may give us tangible. Sorry bring this up again.
Nope, nothing in there for the Combine navy. Sorry.Thats not what i mean't. :P Just new designs for Warships.
If only that were true...
Remember, we were told flat-out by Herb that we wouldn't get any more SL-era(or older) WarShips once the 2765 Field Reports all came out. All of them are out, and we only have three non-Terran battleships, one from a Periphery nation.
I'm hoping for the surplus Monsoon theory to pan out, myself. Those ships are just dripping with character, and we need more of them.
Thats not what i mean't. #P Just new designs for Warships.
I gave up hoping for additional designs for the Inner Sphere.
Could one of the hulls be an old Defender-class?I seriously doubt it. Those ships were unique and high-up on national pride. The Kuritans, depending on their mentality of the era, would soon rather scrap them before using them or Davions would have blown them up before they could be captured or after. The Robinson-Class Transports weren't so high on priority list I'd imagine, they were mass-production ships like the Davion IIs as Warships go.
TT
Two Kuritian battleships sadly likely slip of the tongue by the author. I would definitely love if the House Kurita had some Battleships of their own, but even modern 3067 era they were sabotaged by fiat.Could they have been refits of an existing class (trading cargo space and thrust for weaponry)?
New construction, no question.
The Ghost Bears have a very effective design, there going to build a few more. Anyone else think they have partly learned from what little they know of what happened in the Homeworlds?Few? If they have a chance, we don't know if first one has even launched yet. It took them what, began work in super secret in 3132 and reportively by XTRO: Republic 3 as of 3146, possibly done by 3150?? They'll be lucky if they can put production into more than one at that pace. Not saying I don't want more.....
Few? If they have a chance, we don't know if first one has even launched yet. It took them what, began work in super secret in 3132 and reportively by XTRO: Republic 3 as of 3146, possibly done by 3150?? They'll be lucky if they can put production into more than one at that pace. Not saying I don't want more.....
My hopes that the population needy Snow Ravens are able to produce a smaller escort ship for the Bears. Maybe get one additional Lev III for themselves, while saving on man power to crew their remaining mothballed ships.
They did build a escort design for the Leviathans before. The Conqueror-class ships. And building more should be within the Ravens capability's I think.Only problem with that is that those weren't new builds, they were converted older Pursuit Ships. They would have build them from scratch which isn't quite a easy feat to do, though they still have managed to maintain and keep their two Conqueror-class operational to be recommissioned.
Only problem with that is that those weren't new builds, they were converted older Pursuit Ships. They would have build them from scratch which isn't quite a easy feat to do, though they still have managed to maintain and keep their two Conqueror-class operational to be recommissioned.
True, but it is possible and the design was originally for Leviathan escorts. And if nothing else the Raven's could do the same with other warships, converting them into custom made escort vessels for the Leviathans.Very true. Being the usually XTRO entries (barring unique unit once in a while, exception of the Republic sub-series) are usually variants of existing unit, that includes Leviathan and Leviathan II. They could make a Conqueror II, but naval guy in me would more want a original new design for a new age verses new built variant. Beggars can be choosers these days, we just had miracle of a new built WarShip in late Dark Age!
Very true. Being the usually XTRO entries (barring unique unit once in a while, exception of the Republic sub-series) are usually variants of existing unit, that includes Leviathan and Leviathan II. They could make a Conqueror II, but naval guy in me would more want a original new design for a new age verses new built variant. Beggars can be choosers these days, we just had miracle of a new built WarShip in late Dark Age!
Fm 3145 for the most current and the field report series for before fm 3085
Now, where can I get a full list of WOB ships at the start of the Jihad and thos unaccounted for at the end?Jihad: Final Reckoning, page 128.
In addition; I knew we were missing two Smoke Jaguar Warships and I know that at least some Sierra-Jays joined up with Stone...did those ships ever get accounted for as well?The fates of the Smoke Jaguar ships Osis' Pride and Streaking Mist are covered in Wars of Reaving. The Smoke Jaguars who ended up with Stone didn't come with any WarShips, but were given a WarShip during the Dark Age by the Republic. That's covered in Field Manul: 3145.
Jihad: Final Reckoning, page 128.The fates of the Smoke Jaguar ships Osis' Pride and Streaking Mist are covered in Wars of Reaving. The Smoke Jaguars who ended up with Stone didn't come with any WarShips, but were given a WarShip during the Dark Age by the Republic. That's covered in Field Manul: 3145.
Am I correct in understanding that we have no real way to know what went into/came out of the Clan Naval Caches?
There is not compiled list of mothballed ships in the homeworlds, as of, say; 3060ish?
I reckon Samarkand class is also mentioned.The Diamond Sharks dug a Samarkand out of a cache during the Wars of Reaving - the Deal Breaker - but lost it when the Coyotes attacked Vinton.
Question: Has someone gone through the 1st Succession War book and compiled all the warships in that document yet? I thought I heard that there was a full list somewhere, but I certainly don't seem to be able to find one in my copy.I did a run through looking for names when I first read it, and added it to my to-do list on Sarna: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/User_talk:BrokenMnemonic#Ships_to_Write_Up - I don't know if that helps? I need to do a second run-through to see if I missed any, but as the book's still under moratorium I haven't done that yet.
Vinton, you need at a 4 Leviathan (WarShips). The transport one, the Heavy Battleship one, Steel Viper version and the Leviathan II version.To be hair-splittingly precise, you've got
Vinton, you need at a 4 Leviathan (WarShips). The transport one, the Heavy Battleship one, Steel Viper version and the Leviathan II version.
I did a run through looking for names when I first read it, and added it to my to-do list on Sarna: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/User_talk:BrokenMnemonic#Ships_to_Write_Up - I don't know if that helps? I need to do a second run-through to see if I missed any, but as the book's still under moratorium I haven't done that yet.
I'm not seeing RATs for warships in FM: SLDF - but I could be overlooking something. If there isn't one, making your own wouldn't be too difficult, though you'd still want to read into some of the fluff, one of the classes from the SLDF era occurs in the clans with greater numbers than those which left with them on the exodus, and a number of the warships have been so heavily redesigned that they've been designated with a new class name. One is more likely to find SLDF versions and more of those ships which the Clans don't find useful. Here's a list of the warships that exist when combining Jaguar ships to those listed in FM: Updates:
33 Lola III
32 Aegis
32 Carrack
28 Potemkin
19 Vincent Mk. 42
13 Fredasa*
13 Sovetskii Soyuz
13 York+
12 Congress
12 Essex
11 Cameron
10 Black Lion
10 Volga
8 Nightlord*
6 McKenna
6 Whirlwind
5 Liberator+
5 Texas
2 Conqueror+
2 Leviathan*
* = entirely new designs
+ = new classes based on old classes
Thats a neat list. Im sure there are some other hulls floating around in various state of disarray.
Thanks, and as of Wars of Reaving, we now know that there were some warships in the various naval caches...
...many of these would likely be smaller or less effective/prestigious classes.
The WoR did cause the naval caches to be emptied out, however many of the ships ended up as unnamed outbound wrecks or debris fields.I do wonder about that; as I read it, it was not entirely clear is all the cached had been emptied, or only those of the mentioned clans.
I do wonder about that; as I read it, it was not entirely clear is all the cached had been emptied, or only those of the mentioned clans.I think that they stopped caring at that point.
The other issue is jumpships; might there still be caches of standard-core jumpships? or even large space-only dropships along the lines of Behemoths?I think that those wouldn't have been cached, many of those would be needed just to keep the Clan economy going.
It was implied that they were all cleared but vague enough to not be all in the event the writers need something later. Kudos to Ben for doing that so adeptly.When the Sharks did their last visit on the Homeworlds in 3075 they reactivated an Essex-class destroyer from their naval cache in Babylon system. Other ships of this cache could not be reactivated due they did not have the time to do.
. I do not believe that all ships disabled in the WoR have been total losses.Indeed, however some of them ended up in outbound trajectories, so they will be hard to find again.
Indeed, however some of them ended up in outbound trajectories, so they will be hard to find again.
Particulary for what passes for salvage ships in the Battletech Universe. Jumpships really lack the engines to chase after a hulk, long haul for dropships to catch up, and sending a warship on salvage missions is easily overkill!
I am not so sure; a station-keeping drive can push out 0.2 thrust, while the wreck is just coasting, with enough fuel and a good bearing, a jumpship can easily catch up with a coasting warship.
It counts on how the ship was destroyed. If it had been under thrust or had a big explosion the wreck will be moving at a certain speed. A speed a jumpship won't be able to follow. A dropship would but it would take time. Another issue would be timeframe. If salvage operations were immediate it shouldn't be a issue but if several months or even years go by the wreck will have drifted well out of any recovery.
The current velocity of Voyager 1 is 62,140 km/h, or 1,036 km/min, which translates to an Aerospace velocity of 57 space hexes per turn.
57 hexes/turn would be generally much more velocity than a warship would be expected to have even during combat maneuvers (I am not talking about fast passes; that is a different beast that even a full-on warship would have difficulty catching).
You underestimate the power of a station-keeping drive; that 0.2 thrust will move a ship that it at a relative standstill to a velocity of 1 hex per turn after five minutes of burn; that is 18 km/min, or 1,080 km/hr... without burning additional fuel.
By keeping the afterburners on, it will take a jumpship (or a space station) little under five hours of burn to reach a velocity of 57 hexes/turn. Ten hours yields double that, and 24 hours five times that velocity, which will make short work of even months of drift from the target warship.
A dropship capable of at least a 1/2 thrust rating would theoretically be able to go after Voyager 1, catch up to it, and bring it back, even after a thousand years of travel... in a few weeks.
The key is having an accurate trajectory, and I mean dead-accurate; once you know this trajectory, you can calculate how far the target has drifted, taking into account the gravity of any major objects in the system.
Heck, considering that a trust of 2 is the equivalent of 1g, you could build a dropship with a 2/3 engine, two years of fuel stores, and 6 1/2 years of supplies... and you can get to Proxima Centauri without jumping in about, well, 6 1/2 years.
How? Accelerate at 1g for a year, which will get to close to 99% of the speed of light, switch off the engine, coast for the 4.243 light-years of distance, then end-over, and decelerate for a year at 1g.
Distance is not an obstacle; the only real issue is trajectory.
Wow, you really thought this out! For me its the cost of going after a giant moving wreck that is the issue. For one your not going to be slowing it down fast and you will then have to enter stationkeeping with the giant moving object that was once a warship. And then move gear, supplies, and personnel across while you try to repair said moving wreck. All very unpleasant things. Wrecks in relatively stable orbit or that were wrecked while not moving are generally the ones that get salvaged.
I went through WOR with a haircomb, and frankly so much Naval combat was abstracted (no names of classes mentioned) that I couldn't make enough solid conclusions.
But we can at least assume that the Clan naval caches are empty.....
At least at the end of the WoR sourcebook we got a summary of the surviving ships per clan. But yes, there are many activated and directly destroyed warships were we can just guess the shipclass. And many more were we got no hint of numbers or whatever ...
Does anyone have a good list of the warship fleets of the Houses, with a breakdown of classes, circa the start of the 1SW? I have some ideas based on the FM 2765s (those are great for their pre-build up fleets, and quite detailed) and what is in the First Succession War book, as well as what was said in earlier pages of this thread. However, there are large gaps still that I have to fill in.I could try put one together, all my stuff is old spread sheets. Combat Equipment had a reasonable generic list of Equipment per faction at the start Succession War Era, but it did not include the lost ships introduced in FR 2765 and Liberation of Terra.
Just curious if anyone has already done all the work, or if I have to do it myself...
Bear in mind that this thread is for the canon fleets only. If you want to post educated guesses and such, that's what the Non-Canon Units subforum is for.
More importantly, the writers are not actually gods pulling this from a fully functional parallel universe.
Speak for yourself. That said we might not all use the same parallel universe.
I use a perpendicular universe.
Field Report 2765:
Draconis Combine Admiralty:
Smarkand I CVE x2
Smarkand II CVE x6
Narukami I DD x6
Aegis CA x6
Baron DD x3
(lots more in mothballs along with Cruiser class CA's)
The House navies I will flush out with the Succession Wars books as soon as I read them over again.
On Friday happens what?TRO: Golden Century - It has new/old WarShips in it.
ASF looks good but I cant help but look at the warships and think why aren't the Wolves and the Falcon's producing these things for convoy escort and the such during the invasion and have that many more ships for later.
Probably because they were busy building those huge ground armies that made then some of the top-tier Clans.It's disappointing but logical. They were trial based civilization that kept the combat to minimum, especially in big aerospace terms. You can't hold realistate with a warship.
WarShips are awesome, but in Clan space, 90% of power flows from the footprint of a mech.
Based on Children of Kerensky, we have an Emerald Talon II being built. What are the odds that she will be a new Nightlord or a different class of ship? Is it possible we may end up with Leviathan Prime-type situation?
Wait a moment, is Geneva safe with this thing being around?
Counts. Has the RoTS put the shipyards in Sol to use and built warships of there own? We do have mention of a Warspite...Childrens mentions at least eight. However, there was bunch of confusion about them being actual WarShips or Pocket Warships. They're also bad Battle Stations as well in used capital weapons. Warspite was lost off scene. Two of the Stations were also damaged or loss due to the Pile Driver Pocket-Warship/Dropships which rammed them.
Childrens mentions at least eight. However, there was bunch of confusion about them being actual WarShips or Pocket Warships. They're also Battle Stations as well in use which use capital weapons. Warspite was lost off scene. Two of the Stations were also damaged or loss due to the Pile Driver Pocket-Warship/Dropships which rammed them.
Childrens mentions at least eight. However, there was bunch of confusion about them being actual WarShips or Pocket Warships. They're also Battle Stations as well in use which use capital weapons. Warspite was lost off scene. Two of the Stations were also damaged or loss due to the Pile Driver Pocket-Warship/Dropships which rammed them.
Damn, I just started Rock of the Republic so that's news to me.Sorry to spoil that for you. I did use spoiler blocker thing. I found what happened disappointing way to handle aerospace combat. God sakes, give us actual BATTLE. That's properly not as bad as when they killed the majority of the Kell Hounds off screen.
Sorry to spoil that for you. I did use spoiler blocker thing. I found what happened disappointing way to handle aerospace combat. God sakes, give us actual BATTLE. That's properly not as bad as when they killed the majority of the Kell Hounds off screen.