Canon Warship List

[Knightmare]

Yeah, but when the big boys come to play, the Piddy-WiddyS better run or they will die.

Unless said Piddy-Widdy has a couple of nuclear-tipped cap missiles handy...

[Weirdo]

Need more than a couple to make sure the job gets done...

First you gotta get into missile range to fire.

Then you gotta get the missile past escorts likely to try and shoot it down.

Then you gotta survive the target's PD.

Then you gotta actually hit.

Then you gotta make the penetrating crit roll.

Unless you have enough nukes to fire a half-dozen at a time, I wouldn't assume the target's going to be toast.

[Fireangel]

Unless said Piddy-Widdy has a couple of nuclear-tipped cap missiles handy...

If PWS start lobbing nukes against warships, warships can start packing AMS in significant numbers (easily added to most designs without even touching fire control tonnage). And STILL the PDS will die under the warship's extreme range capital guns.

[Knightmare]

True.

I'm just sayin...PW or ASF-fired nukes seem to be a fairly common way to reduce those irreplaceable multi-hundred thousand ton WarShips to floating irradiated scrap.

[Blacknova]

Yeah, but when the big boys come to play, the Piddy-WiddyS better run or they will die.

If you want to invade a world guarded by a big boy, bring your own or prepare for staggering losses.

I agree totally, however, that will be the exception, as most cobats will be PWS on PWS.  With so few large ships, only capitals/shipyards/Hesperus style worlds would likely harbour such large vessels, and you would send your own big ships anyway of you were attacking such a target.

[I am Belch II]

Thanks alot for all the updates to the fleet lists.

[Wrangler]

Warships are part of an older love affair for big ships with big guns clobbering each other.
If Warships were mass-producted, they could be continuously fight more often be more enjoyable for players.
I've known folks who dropped the game entirely, because this fact of warships are rare and not-replaceable from universe stand point.

Way things are with Battletech universe, that sort fun is extinct and regulated to the past.

Least LotT Vol 2 will give us something (i hope), good show for Warship clashes.

First Succession War should have least one last hurrah for big fleet clashes.  I'd like see one last production batch (even limited numbers) of new lost designs.  One can be hopeful.

[Øystein]

One problem with WarShips is a lot of people complained when we actually used the WarShips in battles. No matter how we fought using them, it was wrong. Stand up fight - wrong. Nuclear missiles - wrong. WarShips are not giant bling to hang around your capital worlds, they are weapons of war, and will be used.

There are still some powerful ships out there, but they will be used by their owners when we see fit. Just like the LCS Invincible was still sent out on missions when it was the Lyran Commonwealths last WarShip during the Succession War, so will we keep sending them out until they are no more. They are expensive tools of war, to be used as long as possible and do no good just sitting at home.

With regards,
Øystein
Strategic Assistant

[BigDuke66]

Well if you want to battle out major fleet engagements go for 1st SW, would be something that TPTB could take a look at and provide some material but I guess the focus is still on pre SW era.

[Jellico]

One problem with WarShips is a lot of people complained when we actually used the WarShips in battles. No matter how we fought using them, it was wrong. Stand up fight - wrong. Nuclear missiles - wrong.

Though writers did get better at it. Aerotech aerospace is hard for writers. And WarShip scale Aerotech is harder, if only because you have to start dealing with multi-solar system associated weirdness. Battletech is far simpler. Walk in a straight line and blast stuff. As its the red headed step child of an unpopular part of the universe it is understandable that so few spent the time to get their heads around the implications of naval combat.
They are up there with the best of them. Napoleon never understood why he couldn't just mass his fleets and blast his way across the Channel. Unlike armies sailing ships don't move in straight lines.

[Alan Grant]

Some truth to that. Space/naval/fleet writing is tough. I've tried to get people into it, to do some collaborative fiction, and they aren't too keen. They just aren't comfortable enough with the subject matter.

I'd LOVE to find a good Battletech RPG/collaborative writing group focused on the space side of things.

[BlackAce]

Hey guys,

Just dropping as I've had a couple of email requests recently for the last version of the list I was working on. It may even be the last version I released.

Note that I haven't touched it in about 12 months, (sorry about that but I took the decision to quit posting here so it kinda made working on this further somewhat moot. I notice my post to that effect was subsequently deleted  ::) ).

If anyone wants to pick up the torch and carry on the updates by all means be my guest. I hope you guys do, I had fun.

All the best, Jay  O0

[Peacemaker]

Thanks for all your hard work BlackAce and good luck. This place is worse off without you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thanks, BlackAce.

[Stormlion1]

Thanks BlackAce its a shame not to see you around anymore.

[GreyWolfActual]

Did anyone ever do a list for the Star League?

[Weirdo]

LONG time back. I keep it updated and mixed in with the other factions. Downside is, mine only has name, class, mass, type, faction, and fate(if known), while other people have expressed desire for other info I never cared about. Also, I don't have sources listed, so people may not believe me. I assure you, they're all canon.

[Kwic]

And where does this mystical source of knowledge reside, Mr. Weirdo sir...?

[Stormlion1]

Main  problem about a SLDF fleet listing is there were so many warships, what we know is only a drop in the bucket. I would love to know what class the SLS New Jersey was, it won the Martial Olympiad but other than that I have no info of what class, when it served or its fate. And thats one ship out of thousands.

[GreyWolfActual]

And thats one ship out of thousands.

I guarantee you, thousands of SLDF ships have not been named.

[Stormlion1]

I guarantee you, thousands of SLDF ships have not been named.

Kind of my point.

[I am Belch II]

Was there any new ships named with class in ISP3??

[Weirdo]

One Vigilant, I forget the name. I'll update my list with it and post it tomorrow.

[Weirdo]

Here we go. I'm not sure if I updated it per the most recent publications, so if you see any ships that are missing from this list, let me know.

An again, while I cannot remember the sources on most of these, you have my word of honor that every single one is from a canon source.

Name Marlowe Pioneer Cochran Beijing Yorktown Badger Crowned Lion Richmond Davion's Heart Elle Weasel Gettysburg Iverson Marseilles Oslo Peeples Rondeau Monitor Beatrice Muraca Rex Aegis Allason Bamborough Boyle E. Presley General Stuart Hutton Impetuous Knight Manassas Minotaur Plunkitt Spark Admiral Schone Dave Smith Lee Smith Linsenmayer Long March Marsala Noble House Rickover Star Devil Walker Conklin Huisman Koga Michael Norman Nelson Talitha Flyer Theodor Logan Tripitz Unah Williams Budapest Damascus Karkhov Oppelt Raulfestone Sovetskii Soyuz Walterbeek White Cloud Kishimoto Lakshmi Morello Trossen Zimmerman Electa Franklin Lady Shandra Reinhard Saint Joan Rhodan Van der Bergh Van Gogh Quicksilver Mongoose        Barham Cochran Richelie Thunderer Beas Kness Bills Hermes Mason Riga Snowflake Bismark Mountbatton Nebraska Perth Prinz Eugen Saunders Wales Doles Enterprise McKenna McKenna's Pride Sovereign Justice Spicer Star League Zughoffer Weir

Class Tracker Vigilant Bonaventure Samarkand Samarkand Vincent Vincent Vincent Davion Whirlwind Whirlwind Essex Essex Essex Essex Essex Essex Essex I Lola I Lola III Lola III Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Aegis Riga Congress Congress Congress Congress Congress Congress Congress Congress Congress Volga Black Lion Black Lion Black Lion Black Lion Black Lion Black Lion Black Lion Black Lion Black Lion Sovetskii Soyuz        Sovetskii Soyuz Sovetskii Soyuz Sovetskii Soyuz Sovetskii Soyuz Sovetskii Soyuz Sovetskii Soyuz Sovetskii Soyuz Avatar Avatar Avatar Avatar Avatar Cameron Cameron Cameron Cameron Cameron Luxor Luxor Luxor Du Shi Wang Monsoon Monsoon Monsoon Monsoon Potemkin Potemkin Potemkin Potemkin Potemkin Potemkin Texas Texas Texas Texas Texas Texas Texas McKenna McKenna McKenna McKenna McKenna McKenna McKenna McKenna

Type Surveillance Corvette Corvette Carrier Carrier Corvette Corvette Corvette Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer Heavy Cruiser        Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Frigate Frigate Frigate Frigate Frigate Frigate Frigate Frigate Frigate Frigate Transport Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Cruiser Cruiser Cruiser Cruiser Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Battle Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Heavy Cruiser Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Troop Cruiser Troop Cruiser Troop Cruiser Troop Cruiser Troop Cruiser Troop Cruiser Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship Battleship

Current Status Unknown Abandoned - Paran Destroyed (Samarkand II) Unknown (Samarkand II) Unknown (Vincent Mk 39) Unknown (Clan Wolverine) (Vincent Mk 39) Unknown (Vincent Mk 39) Rechristened Liberty Destroyed - Vakarel Unknown Unknown (Clan Wolverine) Destroyed - Terra Unknown Unknown Rechristened Raven Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Destroyed - Epsilon Eridani Unknown Unknown Damaged - Star's End Unknown Destroyed - Epsilon Eridani Unknown (Clan boneyard) Destroyed - Epsilon Eridani Rechristened Nueva Badajoz Unknown Destroyed - Time Warp Unknown Unknown Unknown Destroyed - Arcadia Unknown Unknown Unknown Destroyed - Exodus Civil War Unknown Destroyed - Exodus Civil War Destroyed - Vakarel Destroyed - Periphery Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Destroyed - Exodus Civil War Rechristened Xanthos Unknown Destroyed - Terra Destroyed - Periphery Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Rechristened Dire Wolf Unknown Unknown Destroyed - Terra Unknown Destroyed - Draconis Combine Unknown Destroyed - Flintoft Unknown Unknown Unknown Rechristened StarSword Unknown Rechristened Invisible Truth Unknown Destroyed - Periphery Destroyed Unknown Destroyed - Terra Clan Mongoose - Destroyed by Smoke Jaguars Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Rechristened Treachery Unknown Unknown Unknown Salvaged (Clan Wolverine) Active (Clan Snow Raven) Destroyed - Periphery Unknown Clan Prison Ship Unknown Unknown Unknown Destroyed - Terra Unknown Active - Strana Mechty Unknown Unknown Destroyed - Terra Unknown (Clan Wolverine) (Rechristened Blake's Sword?)

While not confirmed, given the large number of ships that share the same name as their class, I consider it a safe assumption that this pattern can also be applied to other SL-built classes, which would give us ships such as SLS Kimagure or SLS Farragut. These are still unconfirmed though, and I think I pulled the unconfirmed ones off of my list.

[Bergie]

See "Ask The Writers" thread re: Pioneer. Apparently it was an Avatar.

[Weirdo]

I saw that, yeah.

[GreyWolfActual]

I've modified the Master Warships List and plugged in my first round of data into it with regards to the Star League ships.  I have no doubts that I missed more than a few ships.  Here, though, are my notes for inclusion.

1: The ship must canonically have served in the Star League Navy.  The Terran Hegemony Navy is insufficient to warrant inclusion.

2: The name of the ship must emphatically be linked to its Star League service.  This is easy until 2801.  After that point the designations of ships become more suspicious.  In the case of the Wolverines, for example, we know they used the "SLS" prefix and stuck it with at least one canonical name.  That warranted inclusion of their ships.  However, the Michael Norman, Long March, and Noble House, all from the Battlespace Sourcebook, do not carry the SLS designation.  Given the Capellan theme of the two Congress-class ships I have to suspect that they were renamed.  While I have less suspicion for those ships mentioned in Operation Klondike, unless they carry the SLS designation, I didn't include any ships post-2801.

3: The class of ship must also be known.  The SLS Cairo was a battlecruiser.  However, we don't know what class, aside from it being a battlecruiser.  That's insufficient to warrant inclusion.  I know that eliminates many ships, especially from FM:SLDF, but the inclusion of just a name is not terribly useful, and is a precedent that has been followed since the original SLSB came out with the list of Martial Olympiad winners.

[Weirdo]

Very nice list! I swear, mine must have been an older file because I SWEAR I added many of the FM:SLDF ships that you have but that my list omits.

However, your list appears to violate your own rule 3 in some places. For example, SLS Keckenburg. FM: SLDF puts it as the command ship of the 43rd Interdiction Squadron, based around a core of Black Lion BCs. However, it does not actually say that Keckenburg is one of those BCs. Therefore, we cannot assume it to be a Black Lion.

Also, it seems that many of the ships you've omitted are from the fleet roster art in FM:U, page 9. The full uncropped image was later posted by the artist, giving us many name-and-classes your list omits. While the lowest form of canon, art is still canon until it is superseded.

[Stormlion1]

Very nice list! I swear, mine must have been an older file because I SWEAR I added many of the FM:SLDF ships that you have but that my list omits.

However, your list appears to violate your own rule 3 in some places. For example, SLS Keckenburg. FM: SLDF puts it as the command ship of the 43rd Interdiction Squadron, based around a core of Black Lion BCs. However, it does not actually say that Keckenburg is one of those BCs. Therefore, we cannot assume it to be a Black Lion.

Also, it seems that many of the ships you've omitted are from the fleet roster art in FM:U, page 9. The full uncropped image was later posted by the artist, giving us many name-and-classes your list omits. While the lowest form of canon, art is still canon until it is superseded.

I've never seen the full image, do you have it?

[Weirdo]

I wish. Now if SCUG shows up on the forums anymore, you could ask him - he's the artist, unless my unreliable memory is wrong(as usual).