First Generation Clan OmniFighters

[Jellico]

Turning Points:Tokasha came with record sheets for several of the new ASF showing up in TRO Golden Century.
https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/turning-points-tokasha
They have some... flaws.

So. What do we think?

I myself am wondering at the logic of those omnifighters having SHS though....

"In universe" guess: Technical limitations at the time.
"Out of universe" guess: Don't want to have to explain why they don't use them anymore.

[Jellico]

"Out of universe" guess: Don't want to have to explain why they don't use them anymore.

That's a wee bit harsh isn't it?  :) Remember, "show, don't tell."


That said ASF have historically been difficult to integrate with new technology. Eg the first ASF seen with XL engines were the Clan Omnifighters. That has been retconned slightly to include the SLDF Royals. But it reasonable to conclude the first gen Omnis had similar problems. After all the original Kirghiz (3rd or 4th Omni?) had a std engine and no FF armour.

[glitterboy2098]

IIRC though weren't there DHS on the various non-royal TRO2750 aero's?

[Jellico]

Tomahawk, Ironsides, and Rapier. Of those only the Tomahawk mounts FA armour.

[glitterboy2098]

and the first Omnimechs certainly used DHS. so i doubt that tech limits were the issue.
perhaps it is meant to be like the Marik lack of PPC's or the Combine lacks of DHS.. not a technical limitation so much as a doctrinal or production limitation.

[nckestrel]

That's a wee bit harsh isn't it?  :) Remember, "show, don't tell."

I think he just meant that them having only SHS would explain why these aerospace were not seen in the Clan Invasion. Or why the Clan Invasion ones might even be worse than earlier aerospace fighters.  One way is to limit important technologies in them.

[DOC_Agren]

Or lets be honest, Clan Aerospace arm was not as important as the Mech Arm

[Jellico]

There are meta issues at play.

Omnifighters started appearing in the 2870s, 20 years after OmniMechs. This comes from the established date for the Kirghiz and Ogotai (Strat Ops).

There are a small batch of Clan ASF dating around 2840. Then a big gap till the early 2900s.

The Royal and SLDF birds were clearly competitive in this period.

The Omnifighters we all know didn't take off till the mid 2900s.

So the first generation of Omnifighters had to not only be so bad that they get retired but also comparable to SLDF fighters.

I think the results not only show that but thanks to the magic of Clantech are also useful in combat, even in a modern context.

[Liam's Ghost]

That's a wee bit harsh isn't it?  :) Remember, "show, don't tell."

I might have been feeling a little snarky at the time.  :)

and the first Omnimechs certainly used DHS. so i doubt that tech limits were the issue.

In terms of game mechanics they function the same way, but from a technical standpoint there's a lot of differences between heat dissipation for a ground unit and heat dissipation for a trans-atmospheric fighter craft. There's room for needing different widgets.

[marauder648]

I'd say the Issedone is clearly the predecessor of the Vandal at a guess.  The Vandal was produced at Tokasha and the time period matches when it was under Bear control, and they turned it from an interceptor into a super fast recon and harasser boat.

And yeah as for the lack of DHS, look at the issues the DCMS had fitting DHS to Mechs in the 3050's (Panther 10K anyone?) perhaps there's some reason why they couldn't do it, so could be some kinda reason why these fighters don't have them yet.

[Colt Ward]

And yeah as for the lack of DHS, look at the issues the DCMS had fitting DHS to Mechs in the 3050's (Panther 10K anyone?) perhaps there's some reason why they couldn't do it, so could be some kinda reason why these fighters don't have them yet.

Come on, we both know real samurai do not worry about the heat!  It was only after Lord Takashi's passing that the weakling desire to run mechs cool made its way into DCMS designs.

[Maingunnery]

I think that I can make the Ogotai B work.   :thumbsup: