Author Topic: Alpha Strike: A Quick-Playing Tactical Miniatures Game  (Read 222353 times)

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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #240 on: 21 June 2013, 03:42:45 »
While most of the questions are about conversions for Jihad and DA mechs, what about the opposite end of the spectrum. I'm more of a AoW/Terran player (I have to admit that this year has been good to me.)

Visually speaking, I'd rather have a Hammerhands than a Vindiactor on the table when I'm demoing the game. v(and the Hammerhands is now on the Intro box cover)

Since AoW mechs are pretty straightforward, can we convert with some simple math?
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #241 on: 21 June 2013, 05:31:34 »
Check the MUL for the Hammerhands BattleForce/Alpha Strike stats.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1369/hammerhands-hmh-3d
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #242 on: 21 June 2013, 10:23:07 »
Ah. I erroneously assumed that AS was going to have a different set of stats than Quick-Strike/BattleForce

I was intrigued by  QS, but not willing to buy a whole book for 10 pages of rules.
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #243 on: 21 June 2013, 10:41:36 »
I was intrigued by QS, but not willing to buy a whole book for 10 pages of rules.

it is a lot more than 10 pages. heck, the Battleeforce Quick-Start is almost 10 pages of rules

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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #244 on: 21 June 2013, 11:04:36 »
From the Quick-Strike Intro Cards: A hybrid of classic miniatures play and the BattleForce tactical system, the Quick-Strike Rules (as presented on pp. 400-409 of Strategic Operations

And now as memory serves me, I was also intimated that I'd have to have a passing knowledge on three sets of rules, CBT for conversions (though it looks like the MUL has taken care of that over the last few years, BattleForce and Quick-Start.

So bringing one book and some printouts would be a big boon to pitching a streamlined BT to new players.
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #245 on: 21 June 2013, 11:37:34 »
And now as memory serves me, I was also intimated that I'd have to have a passing knowledge on three sets of rules, CBT for conversions (though it looks like the MUL has taken care of that over the last few years, BattleForce and Quick-Start.

So bringing one book and some printouts would be a big boon to pitching a streamlined BT to new players.

Exactly. Alpha Strike is being crafted so you wouldn't have to check those other rulebooks. That does bulk up the rules section quite a bit beyond 10 pages.
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #246 on: 21 June 2013, 12:24:34 »
He does a pretty good set of Dark Age 'Mechs, too.

(Interesting how the Timber Wolf configuration shown here seems to echo that of the Savage Wolf on the ER:3145 cover; and with both being presented in the same Clan's livery.)

I think the Timber Wolf on the cover looks like the D configuration, with arm-mounted PPCs, and quad 6-pack streaks on the shoulders (2 rear-firing).
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #247 on: 21 June 2013, 13:47:08 »
Exactly. Alpha Strike is being crafted so you wouldn't have to check those other rulebooks. That does bulk up the rules section quite a bit beyond 10 pages.

To clarify, it wasn't that 10 pages of rules was too much, it was buying the thought of buying a 424 page SO book for the 10 pages of content I actually wanted.

In fact, I look forward to thicker book as compared to the rule that are out now. though I think a nice slim hardcover would say "streamline, fast play" to me.
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #248 on: 22 June 2013, 13:42:49 »
So for the Quick Strike aficionados out there ...

How hard would it be to add some of the "fluff" rules from the Starter Books such as pilot improvements, individual mech flaws?

I guess you could do a blanket "prototype" rule that causes a weapon or special ability misfire on a 1d6.
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #249 on: 22 June 2013, 13:50:30 »
Quick Strike is pretty abstract in sense of damage and range.
So any quirks or fluff rules would be rather generic.
Some of the stranger ones, like a body guard who automatically takes the shot aimed for his boss, could be used in Quick Strike/Alpha Strike.
I think it starts to fall apart when you bring in weapons the fluctuate heat or damage because of some quirky thing.
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #250 on: 22 June 2013, 23:49:37 »
Funny enough, the Master Unit List does list the Quick-Strike stats for some of the piloted mechs in the Starter books. This plus the Special Alliances, Enmities and Factional Special Abilities mentioned in the TOC should add a bit more flavor.
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #251 on: 11 July 2013, 12:53:00 »
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« Reply #252 on: 11 July 2013, 13:46:45 »
whoop!

*clickity, clickty, clickty* Refresh damn you!
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« Reply #253 on: 11 July 2013, 13:49:18 »
...and now we pity the site's servers, as the incessant refreshing begins, and will NEVER END...
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #254 on: 11 July 2013, 15:26:06 »
*constantly hitting refresh*
Okay everybody, if your refresh actions are the reason why my forum browsing is slowing down I'll be very disappointed in you.  :P
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #255 on: 11 July 2013, 15:31:14 »
Maybe Herb and Ray can get some sleep now.
Probably not.
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #256 on: 11 July 2013, 16:44:02 »
Okay everybody, if your refresh actions are the reason why my forum browsing is slowing down I'll be very disappointed in you.  :P

Nah, apparently people are interested in Shadowrun 5. ;)
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #257 on: 11 July 2013, 17:13:47 »
Nah, apparently people are interested in Shadowrun 5. ;)
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« Reply #258 on: 11 July 2013, 17:24:06 »
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #259 on: 12 July 2013, 08:38:07 »
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I don't know if I will be able to go for the PDF release of AS any time soon, even if it goes up before the print edition is made available. But in this case, I was somewhat leaning towards waiting for the print version anyway, so.
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Re: Alpha Strike (upcoming supplemental rulebook)
« Reply #260 on: 12 July 2013, 10:08:03 »
Not everyone has access to a 6x4 table or model terrain.  Also, model terrain can have issues where models can get nudged (or "nudged"), and you can end up in arguments about whether a model is in cover or not,l which won't happen with a hex grid.

By the way, I love that BOTH Hexed or Non-Hexed are being offered. I plan to use both, depending on the players I'm hanging out with.

My overall group runs the whole gambit: From "Gentleman's Honor" games where we know that accidental nudging is going to happen, (One our favorite games has a "shimmy" rule that lets pieces squeak by each other within reason) to hexed games that save us time (no analysis paralysis from the fear that a guessed shot was the wrong call before confirmed measurements.)

Probably one of the funnier moments in our group though, was from non-hexed game. A kid new to the game store saw us play and in his excitement picked up one of my pieces from the board and exclaimed. "This is so neat, what is it!"
"It's a game, based on placement," I said. And then I smiled.
We all had a good laugh and he became a solid regular until he had to move.
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #261 on: 12 July 2013, 20:13:36 »
I can't wait for this to come out. Hopefully son. Would be nice if it came out with in the next two weeks :) .
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #262 on: 22 July 2013, 18:39:05 »
Per das twitter
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #263 on: 22 July 2013, 18:40:31 »
Fingers crossed indeed.
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #264 on: 22 July 2013, 18:45:48 »
*clickty, clickty, clickty*
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« Reply #265 on: 22 July 2013, 19:29:46 »
Is that a good sign for Gencon?
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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #267 on: 22 July 2013, 20:06:14 »
It's got the Republic of the Sphere logo on the page corners!

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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #268 on: 22 July 2013, 20:47:35 »
And did anyone notice the date on the last page?

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Re: Alpha Strike: The TableTop Miniatures Rulebook
« Reply #269 on: 22 July 2013, 20:53:01 »
And did anyone notice the date on the last page?

Of all the things to gloss over in the first pass through... Sigh.