D/FW Mechwarrior's Guild: The endless struggle of brains versus bleach!

[Weirdo]

For reference purposes, I'm putting together a spreadsheet that lists every ship class statted in Naval Command, every nation that used that ship, plus years in operation.

I just got to the Balao-class.  [metalhealth]

So, what's planned for this weekend?

[Vice_Grip]

I will be in attendance this weekend, if everything goes according to plan.

Why not borrow a page out of the Hunt for the Red October. We play Naval Command, 4 players. 2 will have subs, 2 will have surface fleets. The objective is to sink the other team's sub. Simple and inclusive.

[Weirdo]

I like this idea. How many points for each surface group, and how many points for each sub group?

[Alexander Knight]

Hey Wierdo, have you looked at the Naval Thunder rules for warship minis?  Focuses on ship to ship combat, subs and airstrikes are minimized, and rules/ships cover pre-Dreads to the Yamato-class.

[Vice_Grip]

I'm thinking 3 attack subs or similar value. And a carrier plus a decent esscort fleet. Nothing to fancy, but not small either.

[sevengates]

I will be in attendance this weekend, if everything goes according to plan.

Why not borrow a page out of the Hunt for the Red October. We play Naval Command, 4 players. 2 will have subs, 2 will have surface fleets. The objective is to sink the other team's sub. Simple and inclusive.

I read this and immediately thought of Captain Ramius' speech before engaging the Caterpillar Drive.

[Weirdo]

Hey Wierdo, have you looked at the Naval Thunder rules for warship minis?  Focuses on ship to ship combat, subs and airstrikes are minimized, and rules/ships cover pre-Dreads to the Yamato-class.

I'm not that interested in WWII, mostly because when you try to look up naval gaming, it seems like ninety percent of what comes up is going to be WWII. I'm not against it, but I get overloaded with it ever time I look. Predreads have me interested, though. :)

I'm thinking 3 attack subs or similar value. And a carrier plus a decent esscort fleet. Nothing to fancy, but not small either.

How many points for subs? How many points for surface?

Do I need to bring both groups? Friday is the last day I can print anything, so now I'm stuck with whatever I've already got printed out.

[Vice_Grip]

I don't know on point values. I would have to look them up but am not in a position to. If we need to qe can talk about it when we get there.

[Weirdo]

In the future, I'd really prefer if everything were planned out(point values included) by the Thursday before, so that I can do any printing on Friday.

[sevengates]

Gentlemen, may I offer a reprieve; how about Mario Cart X-wing (large ship/55pt). This will allow you guys more time to work out the naval points.


oh wait.....I think Darrell was going to bring some of his pre-set scenarios this weekend.

[Weirdo]

I'll bring Naval Command, X-Wing, and...wait, if he's bringing everything...my dice.

[Vice_Grip]

I found some cheap crimson skies models.

http://ironwindmetals.com/store/index.php?cPath=14

[Alexander Knight]

I'm not that interested in WWII, mostly because when you try to look up naval gaming, it seems like ninety percent of what comes up is going to be WWII. I'm not against it, but I get overloaded with it ever time I look. Predreads have me interested, though. :)

Lexington-class BCs, Mississippi-class PDNs, Austrian Kaiser Karl IV-class Armored Cruisers....
Heck, you can even refight Tsushima!

[Weirdo]

I found some cheap crimson skies models.

http://ironwindmetals.com/store/index.php?cPath=14

Those are the full-price metal ones.

[Weirdo]

Finally done. Behold, the Naval Command MUL!

To work it, simply select the whole spreadsheet, then sort by the nation of your choice. This will bring the ships that nation used/uses up to the top, with the number of hulls that navy used, with years in service in parentheses. If it service years end in *, at least one such ship is still in service. This covers ships that are found in the core rulebook as well as all other files he's released.

At some point I'll add a column to show what file and page each ship can be found on, but right now, I'm tired.

Also, my primary source for all of this was Wikipedia, so if you find more accurate information(especially for some of the ships I could not find service dates for *glares at the Sumners*), feel free to let me know and I'll update it.

[AchanhiArusa]

Sorry guys, I was unable to make it due to problems.

As for the Allen M. Sumners the service dates I have from Harpoon 4 Master Annex A:  Ships of the World 1960- Present (2003) are:

United States:  1943-1975, 53 in class, 33 were converted to FRAM II with 20 uncoverted
Argentina:  1972-85 (Hipolito Bouchard nee Borie and Piedrabuena nee Collett) FRAM II, 1976-83 (Segui nee Hank)
Brazil:  1973-95 (3 in service including the Sergipe) FRAM II, 1972-90 (1 in service)
Chile:  1974 - xx (2 in service) FRAM II
Colombia:  1972 - 1986 (2 in service) FRAM II
Greece:  1943 - 75 (???, may be typo since data is exactly the same as USA stats, didn't find changes in errata)
Iran:  1974 - 1994 (2 in class, Babr and Palang)
Korea:  1973 (2 in class including the Dae Gu)
Taiwan:  1974  (Wu Chin mod 2 - Lo Yang and Nan Yang) FRAM II, 1970 (Wu Chin mod 3 - Huei Yang), 1969  (Tien Shi -  Hen Yang, Hua Yang, and Yuen Yang)

[sevengates]

Hurray :D......my dice order arrived today; didn't know they were "marbled" but they look awesome. O0

[Weirdo]

Got mine too. :)

[Weirdo]

...I was wrong. All three of my Gundam models are in 1/100.

[sevengates]

My Gundam Ground War set and my Zaku Ground War set (both 08th MSG), as well as the Ez8 kit are 1/144. I will have to go to my storage unit to check the rest.

.............and................

my new C-ROC cruiser is ADORABLE :D :D :D

......and Sammy and I play-tested Robotech.

[Weirdo]

[Edit] Never mind, forgot about Father's Day.

[sevengates]

I forgot.....what is the squad points for an SW Epic game? I'll have to redo my current C-ROC list since I just remembered that I only have FOUR Scyk fighters, not six.

.....unless I pick up some more.....

[Weirdo]

If it's two players facing off, the default is 300 per side. If the are multiple players per team, it's 200 per player.

That last game you and I played was 200 points.

[sevengates]

Thank you.

[Weirdo]

Something I think we may have all missed in our Naval Command games:

If firing missiles or torpedoes the firing ship must have a clear line of sight to the target that does not travel within 2cm of another ship (including friendly and merchant ships). This does not apply for aircraft attacks.

No more trying to punch missiles into or out of the middle of a dense formation, it seems. :)

[Vice_Grip]

So no more nuking carriers out from under a fleet the first time missiles are fired? That is going to make the game more fun.

What are we doing this weekend? I got my UNSC Fleet redone and am about to have buy a printer. I would definitely be up for some Starmada if anyone else is.

[Weirdo]

I'm up for Starmada, am still interested in your carrier group/subs scenario, and am always up for that Mario Kart game I keep missing. :)

[Vice_Grip]

As far as Starmada, we have a couple of options. I could throw the Infinity (5600pts) on one end of the board and try to escape off the other end while your fleet tries to kill it. We could play a doomsday weapon type of game where a couple small fleets square off against the Infinity. Or I could put together a more sensable fleet and we could try something else.

For the Naval Command game we had discussed I am thinking 12 points for subs (should get you 3 attack subs a 4pts each or something bigger) and 16 or so points for surface fleets (that way we might actually be able to put a carrier on the board but it would be costly to do so).

What do you think?

[Weirdo]

FIFTY-SIX HUNDRED POINTS?!?

Screw balanced, I'd bringthe Triumviron. [skull]

I'm fine with the small points thing. Those points for Naval Command also sound good.

[Vice_Grip]

Just finalized the Infinity. It comes in at 5514 CRAT with its load of Frigates. 3176 without.

Only half of my weapons chart ended up filled out, did I do something wrong?