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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #30 on: 03 July 2020, 17:33:52 »
"militarized jumpships" sounds a lot like weasel-word description of warships. where was that description given? if it is in an old enough book, it could well be a description of warships.

if newer, i'd use the idea of them having resurrected the primitive jumpship (with its "nearly compact core" and sublight drive) and then having some of those armed up with non-capital weaponry. like oversized assault dropships. the short jump ranges of such ships (less than 30ly) wouldn't be a bigg issue since the League is not that astrographically large, and they wouldn't be projecting power outside of their own borders all that often.
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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #31 on: 05 July 2020, 08:22:40 »
"militarized jumpships" sounds a lot like weasel-word description of warships. where was that description given? if it is in an old enough book, it could well be a description of warships.

if newer, i'd use the idea of them having resurrected the primitive jumpship (with its "nearly compact core" and sublight drive) and then having some of those armed up with non-capital weaponry. like oversized assault dropships. the short jump ranges of such ships (less than 30ly) wouldn't be a bigg issue since the League is not that astrographically large, and they wouldn't be projecting power outside of their own borders all that often.

'Militarised Jumpships' are mentioned in the FM: Periphery. However, it has never been established what these actually were. My opinion is that they are designs similar to the Tramp. Let's face it, anyone can modify, say an Invader, with large lasers and additional freezers. It does seem however that the Convoy Protection Force has some assault dropships.

Actually the Hansa seems to have escorted its Jumpships almost on a routine basis. It is implied that the escort varied according to circumstances going from an ASF squad to 'Militarised Jumpships and accompanying craft. So maybe they did escort their vessels even on far flung trips, though this is not specifically stated.
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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #32 on: 07 August 2020, 15:11:44 »
Updated the start post after the new "Hanseatic Crusade" sourcebook has been released.
The new events regarding the Hanse are hidden in the spoioler-part at the end of the start-post.

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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #33 on: 08 August 2020, 02:31:00 »
Wait, Seekers discovered a SL-era BattleMech repair facility on Braunschweig. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot... how does that get out there?

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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #34 on: 08 August 2020, 03:26:49 »
Star League Era doesn't mean Star League. Wasn't there a group about that time setting up secret battlemech facilities and the like?

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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #35 on: 08 August 2020, 03:50:58 »
Right, it could be a Rim World base. 
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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #36 on: 08 August 2020, 03:55:00 »
Never said it was... but its one of our first bits of details in awhile on exactly what the state of the place was pre-Hansa founders arrival.

Something that seems to have been glossed over in what details we had post-FM Periphery. That the Hansa's founders effectively moved in and soft-conquered their region.




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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #37 on: 08 August 2020, 10:02:56 »
You don't suppose that some of the people from those RWR outposts ended up in Hansa region of the Periphery? Lyrans that fled could have absorbed Republic citizens to.

Well it dont matter now since League timeline done.
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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #38 on: 08 August 2020, 10:11:38 »
At least Vulcan pilots ende duo there, so it is far from a stretch saying that other RWR personnel ended there.

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« Reply #39 on: 08 August 2020, 10:48:55 »
Wait, Seekers discovered a SL-era BattleMech repair facility on Braunschweig. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot... how does that get out there?

Maybe TtS: Braunschweig will answer that in a couple weeks?

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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #40 on: 08 August 2020, 14:40:59 »
We still have Hansa today as in Lufthansa...as in Deutsche Luft Hansa (1926-1945)...

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« Reply #41 on: 08 August 2020, 20:45:33 »
...A hidden battlemech factory, mothballed and usable by (insert faction here) hundreds of years later?  How unexpected.

And people sneer at, "Your mercenary company has its own massive production facility to supply it." , like the Dragoons/Blackwell, Kell hounds/Manan mac lear (?), or McCarrons Armored Cav/(?) because it's 'unrealistic'?

THIS is how the Scorps manage to stave off the homeclans?  I'm still interested in it and will probably buy it, but this seems just lazy.
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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #42 on: 08 August 2020, 20:51:56 »
...A hidden battlemech factory, mothballed and usable by (insert faction here) hundreds of years later?  How unexpected.

I'm still interested in it and will probably buy it, but this seems just lazy.
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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #43 on: 08 August 2020, 20:54:18 »
You don't suppose that some of the people from those RWR outposts ended up in Hansa region of the Periphery? Lyrans that fled could have absorbed Republic citizens to.

Well it dont matter now since League timeline done.

given we've got RWR outposes scattered all over the deep periphery, even on the other side of the inner sphere from the RWR, them having one out in Hansa space isn't all that odd. it at least is reasonably close to RWR territory and could easily have been a secret fallback point or something for the rimworlds government and military

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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #44 on: 08 August 2020, 21:10:42 »
...A hidden battlemech factory, mothballed and usable by (insert faction here) hundreds of years later?  How unexpected.

And people sneer at, "Your mercenary company has its own massive production facility to supply it." , like the Dragoons/Blackwell, Kell hounds/Manan mac lear (?), or McCarrons Armored Cav/(?) because it's 'unrealistic'?

THIS is how the Scorps manage to stave off the homeclans?  I'm still interested in it and will probably buy it, but this seems just lazy.

I think you've misread.  The factory and the SL facility are not necessarily the same thing.   The factory is said to be believed to have been built with help from the Word of Blake.  It's been running in the Hanseatic League for some time now (WoB has been gone for quite some time..).  The Seekers were not looking for the huge Battlemech factory that had an entire RDF 6 dedicating to defending it. "The factory, built at the turn of the century, is protected by a no-fly zone and heavy orbital patrols." That's rather obvious, you don't need a Seeker team to find what everybody has known about for decades.  They were on a side job to secure a "precious Star League facility".  After the big battle for the system/factory, the Seekers were the only remaining "signficant" force on the planet.  They survived because they weren't at the battle for the factory.

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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #45 on: 08 August 2020, 21:55:51 »

>Snip<


Haven't bought it yet, darn it.  That kind of ruins the surprise, but - really?  "Wobbles built it." ?  And a SL-era facility in the same system/planet?

This BLEEDS fiat.  I don't know if I'm still interested in it.  Sorry.
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« Reply #46 on: 08 August 2020, 21:57:38 »
You're missing out. This might be the best in the TP series.

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« Reply #47 on: 08 August 2020, 22:00:23 »
There's a limit to my suspension of disbelief.  I wouldn't tolerate this in my own AU.  It's just over the top.
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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #48 on: 08 August 2020, 22:05:09 »
Wait till you hear about Phantom 'Mech Ability.

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« Reply #49 on: 08 August 2020, 22:05:18 »
sounds reasonable to me. we know the WOB were doing things out there to prepare for their long term goals, so them setting up a factory to support their planned invasion of the homeworlds make sense. that there would be a SLDF site on the same world fits to me, as something had to attract the WOB to that specific world in the first place.

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« Reply #50 on: 08 August 2020, 22:34:39 »
Ok.  I broke down and bought it.  And yes, my concern was overblown.  Mea Culpa.

"Built with the assistance of the Wob looking to secure a safe haven after their defeat", is not, "Wob built a factory and the Hansa found it abandoned."

And yes, it looks magnificent.  I can't really set aside time to read it until this weekend, anyway.
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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #51 on: 08 August 2020, 23:03:30 »
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« Reply #52 on: 09 August 2020, 04:03:57 »
I don't know where anyone got anything about SL hidden factory. Its a SL-era repair facility. Repair facility could just mean something like "Ok, there is a couple dozen mech bays with some limited machine tool facilities to do better fitting parts to designs."

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« Reply #53 on: 09 August 2020, 04:50:31 »
So the HL is no more....  :(

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Or that clans conquer everything in their path. Honestly, after nearly a century of contact with them, no one has figured out how to stop them. The galaxy must be full of idiots... ::)The clans have become  a plague, cartoon evil characters and deus ex machina all rolled in one. But it was to be expected. End of rant... :'(

The issue I cannot really wrap my head around is why the Council of Merchants went suicidal on Bremen. They had run away from other planets during the invasion, even sacrificing their own personal forces. Why did they stand and die on Bremen? They are supposed to be merchants after all, still had JS etc and could have run off elsewhere easily. Aside from tying lose ends to the plot, I honestly cannot understand this fact...
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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #54 on: 09 August 2020, 05:09:12 »
Because if they ran, they would live as... poor people.

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« Reply #55 on: 09 August 2020, 07:35:16 »
The issue I cannot really wrap my head around is why the Council of Merchants went suicidal on Bremen. They had run away from other planets during the invasion, even sacrificing their own personal forces. Why did they stand and die on Bremen? They are supposed to be merchants after all, still had JS etc and could have run off elsewhere easily. Aside from tying lose ends to the plot, I honestly cannot understand this fact...

I can see a couple explanations. They hate the Clans a LOT. They're also a very stratified society, lording over their serfs from on high. They most likely didn't want to become serfs (or Laborers) under a group they xenophobically feared, and preferred a death that took (at least some of) the alien enemy with them.

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« Reply #56 on: 09 August 2020, 08:17:24 »
Because if they ran, they would live as... poor people.

If one is the owner of a jumpship and attendant dropships, one remains a merchant. The IS has a lot of space for people like them...

I can see a couple explanations. They hate the Clans a LOT. They're also a very stratified society, lording over their serfs from on high. They most likely didn't want to become serfs (or Laborers) under a group they xenophobically feared, and preferred a death that took (at least some of) the alien enemy with them.

This all true but in the past they had also turned away from danger in order to preserve themselves like for example, when they turned their activities away from the Chaneline Isles and more recently during the Scorpion offensive. With an excess of jumpships that they have, it was certainly feasible. They are not fanatics or a deathcult, they are merchants and throughout history, merchants have done everything in their power to save their skins and profit. Of course this is BattleTech... :D

I mean if I was a Hansa merchant I would have loaded up my dropships with all that is not nailed to the ground and the family and made a run to the Lyran Alliance after the Scorpions had overrun the border planets.  :)
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« Reply #57 on: 09 August 2020, 08:28:11 »
That might also have been out of character for them. Their aerospace forces had been wiped out, leaving the Scorpions in control. Trying to run that gamut would simply be suicide with extra steps.

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« Reply #58 on: 09 August 2020, 08:55:24 »
That might also have been out of character for them. Their aerospace forces had been wiped out, leaving the Scorpions in control. Trying to run that gamut would simply be suicide with extra steps.

I remain unconvinced - its too uncharacteristic of any given merchant. They wouldn't have waited for the Scorps to get to Bremen to bug out.

And btw the 'strategy' they followed was, to say the least, flawed... ::)
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Re: Timeline of the Hanseatic League
« Reply #59 on: 09 August 2020, 09:03:11 »
I don't know where anyone got anything about SL hidden factory. Its a SL-era repair facility. Repair facility could just mean something like "Ok, there is a couple dozen mech bays with some limited machine tool facilities to do better fitting parts to designs."

I think it's just confusion over not wanting to publish spoilers.  If someone had come out and said, "there was a small SL-era facility on an industrial planet producing 1/3rd of the Hansa's military production", I might not have come across as an idiot.
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