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Re: Star Trek General Thread II: Strange New Posts
« Reply #1080 on: 01 November 2023, 03:31:26 »
I would say, when TOS was written it was more US Navy than it was by TNG.  It's who writing it, scifi writers with book background and former World War II/Korean War vets. 

Writers will have less of a military background as far a large size of the pie of writers I suspect now.  Thus why things are bit loosey goosey as far standards go.

There's a quote from Roddenbury somewhere that he based Starfleet on the US Coast Guard, so just mildly military but still dashing adventure types.

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« Reply #1081 on: 01 November 2023, 16:20:12 »
I think most of us suspected that Mariner's relationship with Starfleet was colored by the Dominion War, but holy ******. ***** ****** holy ****** ****** that makes so much sense and ******.

I guess there's finally a link to the episode this whole series is named for.

With the guys being promoted and the episode last week about them drifting apart, I feel that we're nearing the natural end of this show. It's been an amazing ride.

Levy the conspiracy theorist seems to be about the same generation as Mariner and has also been stuck at the same rank for a long time.  I wonder if he had similar experiences as her and that's what pushed him down the path he took.

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« Reply #1082 on: 02 November 2023, 19:35:14 »
Solid wrap-up. I always believed Locarno was a redeemable character, but as someone left a military academy, I get that they went another way with it.

My jaw dropped when the recap covered the genesis device. I recognized it in the episode they brought it up, but brushed it off as a routine callback/WMD. But it was a Chekov's...genesis device.

Also, props to Boimler for getting the recognition to captain the ship for a few minutes. Every arc in this series is great.

This series is meat and potatoes storytelling with a bit of cleverness thrown in and I adore it.
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« Reply #1083 on: 02 November 2023, 20:34:55 »
here is hoping they'll wrap up a few of the hanging plot elements from the other seasons..

we have a boimler clone in section 31
someone empowered the pakleds, then arranged to have pakled planet blown up.
someone had to have given locarno the resources needed to build Nova One, and the station and shield at the Detrion system.
Nova Fleet is now leaderless and in hiding.

i'm hoping that all of these will tie in together in season 5. mostly because i'm worried that it might not get a season 6.

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« Reply #1084 on: 03 November 2023, 16:33:10 »
So, given people are wondering about Mariner's career, we can infer a few things at this point.  Lower Decks series 3 and 4 both take place in 2381, and The First Duty took place in 2368 so the "thirteen years before" card lines up correctly.  If Mariner was a first year cadet then, she probably graduated from Academy in 2371 or 2372.  We know she served on DS9 while Worf was there, so she was there for at least some of 2372-2375.  It's likely her first assignment out of Academy was either DS9 itself or one of the ships assigned to its defense.  We also know she served on the Atlantis, the Quito was her last assignment before being transferred to the Cerritos in 2380, and she served on five ships before ending up there, so there are two or even three other ships she was on in that timeframe.  Presumably one of these was the Oberth she "crashed".

Sito Jaxa died in 2370, so presumably this shook her while still at Academy, and was the root cause of her behavioural issues after she graduated.

We also know that if Amina Ramsay was recently promoted to Captain before her temporary assignment to the Cerritos it took her about 9 years to climb the ranks.  By comparison it took Jim Kirk 11 years from graduation to promotion to Captain and assignment to the Enterprise.
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Re: Star Trek General Thread II: Strange New Posts
« Reply #1085 on: 03 November 2023, 20:08:18 »
We also know that if Amina Ramsay was recently promoted to Captain before her temporary assignment to the Cerritos it took her about 9 years to climb the ranks.  By comparison it took Jim Kirk 11 years from graduation to promotion to Captain and assignment to the Enterprise.
and Picard became captain of the stargazer after 6 years. (and then stayed its captain for 22 years. which is impressive)


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« Reply #1086 on: 03 November 2023, 20:27:22 »
My big wonder is what triggered  Mariner,
To suddenly go backwards and to do it so hard, what set her off 11 ish years after Sitos  death?
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Re: Star Trek General Thread II: Strange New Posts
« Reply #1087 on: 03 November 2023, 22:28:35 »
My big wonder is what triggered  Mariner,
To suddenly go backwards and to do it so hard, what set her off 11 ish years after Sitos  death?

In the past, as soon as she started acting up, she would get busted back to ensign.  This time, she was faced with a commander who resolved NOT to do that no matter how hard she pushed, but it didn't seem to sink in and she just kept going harder until it began to border on a death wish.

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« Reply #1088 on: 04 November 2023, 01:20:33 »
she talks about the dominion war being part of the reason that she decided that promotion was a bad idea. that she never wanted to be the person giving orders to send other people into lethal situations.
given what we see in DS9, i suspect it wouldn't be hard to imagine the sort of situations she saw, especially since we know she was involved in some grey ops stuff with K'orin durign that time. suggesting she might have gotten stuck on a ship or world behind the lines and had to watch her friends die trying to pull off missions, or gotten assigned to some outpost and had to hold it against jemhadar assaults (like with the siege of AR-558), or even just been on ships which got pounded in battle with much of the crew dying.

then the war ended.. and that trauma led her into self-destrutive spirals whenever she started getting the promotions she didn't want.

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« Reply #1089 on: 04 November 2023, 19:21:09 »
and Picard became captain of the stargazer after 6 years. (and then stayed its captain for 22 years. which is impressive)
And in season one of TNG, they establish Tryla Scott as being the youngest captain ever in Starfleet. It's a bell curve and some people are on the ends.
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« Reply #1090 on: 05 November 2023, 02:14:59 »
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« Reply #1091 on: 05 November 2023, 11:50:06 »
Fix the size, please.
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Re: Star Trek General Thread II: Strange New Posts
« Reply #1092 on: 05 November 2023, 14:20:26 »
ok catching up with st lower decks season 4...

and i have to say this we definetly need more moopsiee

ohhh and moopsiee plushies
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Re: Star Trek General Thread II: Strange New Posts
« Reply #1093 on: 05 November 2023, 14:28:05 »
A few fans have made Moopsy plushies already, one even put voice chips in them.
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Re: Star Trek General Thread II: Strange New Posts
« Reply #1094 on: 11 March 2024, 13:55:43 »
Well...this certainly sheds some light on why season 2 of Picard was such a clusterf--k:

https://trekmovie.com/2024/03/09/picard-season-2-was-rewritten-after-paramount-deemed-it-too-star-trek-says-ep/

Now if somebody would be so forthcoming about season 3...

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(Who maintains that season 1 was the best of the three... even if that's not saying much)
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So, now I'm imagining people boxing up Overlords for loading as cargo.  "Nope, totally not a DropShip.  Everyone knows you can't fit a DropShip in a WarShip!  It's...a ten thousand ton box of marshmallows!  Yeah.  For the Heavy Guards big annual smores party."
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« Reply #1095 on: 11 March 2024, 14:40:02 »
I feel like Series 1's biggest problems were not knowing what to do with the Artifact, and a messy ending.  I rewatched it in the run-in to series 3 and liked it quite a bit.  Series 3 was fun, but very much lacking in substance.
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« Reply #1096 on: 11 March 2024, 14:47:56 »
I don't need much light shined (shone?) on why a bad series was bad. Everyone wants to blame the studio, but Picard failed with a gusto that couldn't be managed with just one part of the production process.

I actually respected Seasons 1 and 2 for doing their own things. I would have liked them a little bit if they'd had the "telling a story un-terribly" ability of Season 3.

Also, my dad got one of those things for his TV that gives him 50 channels that are just one show on loop 24/7. His first episode of Lower Decks was "A Mathematically Perfect Redemption." :undecided:
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« Reply #1097 on: 11 March 2024, 19:26:59 »
Well...this certainly sheds some on why season 2 of Picard was such a clusterf--k:

https://trekmovie.com/2024/03/09/picard-season-2-was-rewritten-after-paramount-deemed-it-too-star-trek-says-ep/

Now if somebody would be so forthcoming about season 3...

Cheers,

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(Who maintains that season 1 was the best of the three... even if that's not saying much)


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Re: Star Trek General Thread II: Strange New Posts
« Reply #1098 on: 11 March 2024, 19:35:11 »
Too Star Trek!

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« Reply #1099 on: 11 March 2024, 20:17:16 »
So instead of making it "less Star Trek" they made it "no Star Trek"
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« Reply #1100 on: 11 March 2024, 23:14:43 »
Too Star Trek!

Who are these people?
the replacements for the execs who thought you could do a prequel series set in the 2200's by recycling the uniforms, sets, and CGI ship models from the TNG films.

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« Reply #1101 on: 17 April 2024, 11:55:45 »
So I picked up Paramount+ for a couple months to watch some Champion's League games, which has been fun.  Side benefit is I was finally able to watch Strange New Worlds and Picard.

Strange New Worlds S1 and S2 I loved.  Really liked the different genre for every episode.  I even thought the musical episode was fun, even if it isn't my thing.

Picard S1 is only ok for me.  I really loved TNG, but Picard is missing some beats I can't quite put my finger on.  Anyway, glad to get caught up on some Star Trek. 

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« Reply #1102 on: 17 April 2024, 15:37:23 »
Not sure why, Paramount+ isn't doing so good.  So Lower Decks is being canceled after this 5th Season gets out.   A successful and less expensive series is being canned. 

I think due to merges, but I have heard it because the numbers of people watching the show. 
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Re: Star Trek General Thread II: Strange New Posts
« Reply #1103 on: 17 April 2024, 20:06:49 »
Its just weird how a Cartoon became on of the top in New Star Trek. I liked Lower Decks more than many of the other shows and I never watched Rick and Morty.
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« Reply #1104 on: 17 April 2024, 20:22:40 »
Its just weird how a Cartoon became on of the top in New Star Trek. I liked Lower Decks more than many of the other shows and I never watched Rick and Morty.
It's been one hell of a show. Top-tier, which is the last thing I expected from it.

I like Rick and Morty, but it feels like that was just the pitch they used to get one of the best Star Treks produced.

That said, I kind of felt like season five would be the last, even before this news. The characters are getting arced out and every great story has an end.

As for Paramount+, folks would subscribe even if they just had access to the library. The problem isn't that it's not profitable; it that it isn't profitable/growing enough. That's obvious; when you're the sixth or seventh imitator to the incredibly obvious business model Netflix created and even Netflix is hitting the top of their growth bell curve.

I really loved TNG, but Picard is missing some beats I can't quite put my finger on.
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Re: Star Trek General Thread II: Strange New Posts
« Reply #1105 on: 19 April 2024, 16:57:46 »
I just heard that John Trimble passed away earlier today. Along with his wife Bjo, they were a beating heart at the centre of early Trek fandom, and they organised the letter-writing campaign that got TOS renewed for series 3.
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