DA Hoverbike Squad

[Stinger]

Hi All!

I was looking to make this:



into a standard unit.  I know many would just call this hover infantry, but it has 2 guns on the front, one looking like a laser and the other an MG.  Plus it has a dish that screams active probe.

So how should I make the stats?

Thinking about a 10 ton Hover, though that is a bit heavy, obviously.

Any suggestions?

[CloaknDagger]

5 ton hover? Less?

[Decoy]

The thing to do would be to treat it as a mechanized hover squad from the infantry section....or so I think.

[Andras]

Just under 100k

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HoverSkiff DA Hovercycle

Mass: 7 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Hovercraft
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-D
Production Year: 3150
Cost: 99,715 C-Bills
Battle Value: 140

Power Plant:  45 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 129.6 km/h
Flanking Speed: 194.4 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  ER Small Laser
    1  Light Machine Gun
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                       4 points                1.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 45                       1.50
    Cruise MP:  12
    Flank MP:   18
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         0.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            1.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  24                  1.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     8         
                                          Left/Right    6/6         
                                                Rear     4         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Light Machine Gun                            FR        0         1         0.50
ER Small Laser                               FR        2         1         0.50
@LMG (1/2) (100)                             BD        -         0         0.50

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      1    Points: 1
12         1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  0
Special Abilities: CASE


Or even at 5 tons and 62K, but hardly any armor.

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HoverSkiff DA Hovercycle

Mass: 5 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Hovercraft
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-D
Production Year: 3150
Cost: 62,125 C-Bills
Battle Value: 126

Power Plant:  45 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 183.6 km/h
Flanking Speed: 280.8 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  ER Small Laser
    1  Light Machine Gun
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                       4 points                0.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 45                       1.50
    Cruise MP:  17
    Flank MP:   26
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         0.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -   8                  0.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     3         
                                          Left/Right    2/2         
                                                Rear     1         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Light Machine Gun                            FR        0         1         0.50
ER Small Laser                               FR        2         1         0.50
@LMG (1/2) (100)                             BD        -         0         0.50

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      0    Points: 1
17         1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  0
Special Abilities: CASE


[Stinger]

Just under 100k

Or even at 5 tons and 62K, but hardly any armor.

I like the looks of the 5 tonner.  I think that would realistically be it, and the speed makes more sense. 

Thanks!

[Andras]

If you went with a regular SmL and MG, you only need 1 HS, which will let you use a FuelCell Engine. It's slightly cheaper at 59k for the 5t version.

If you accept a 13/20 move, you can fit 1 full ton of armor for 59,992cbills.

[Sabelkatten]

If you went with a regular SmL and MG, you only need 1 HS, which will let you use a FuelCell Engine. It's slightly cheaper at 59k for the 5t version.

If you accept a 13/20 move, you can fit 1 full ton of armor for 59,992cbills.

FCEs still need power amps.

Of course for a unit like this using fractional accounting is pretty reasonable.

[Liam's Ghost]

Are you married to the idea of making it a conventional combat vehicle?

Because ultralight support vehicles would seem to be a good way to go.

[Andras]

FCEs still need power amps.

Of course for a unit like this using fractional accounting is pretty reasonable.

Hmm, ok. The version of SAW I have doesn't assign PAmps to FCell vehicles.

[Sabelkatten]

Hmm, ok. The version of SAW I have doesn't assign PAmps to FCell vehicles.

That's a known bug. :)

[Stinger]

Are you married to the idea of making it a conventional combat vehicle?

Because ultralight support vehicles would seem to be a good way to go.

Ultralight support sounds good, but I don't have tech manual and I am not sure how to make them...

Do you have a an idea of a build?

[CloaknDagger]

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DA Hoverbike

Mass: 5 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Hovercraft
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-F
Production Year: 0
Cost: 113,667 C-Bills
Battle Value: 189

Power Plant:  25 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 140.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 216.0 km/h
Armor:  Laser-Reflective
Armament:
    1  Medium Laser
    1  Machine Gun
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                       4 points                0.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 25                       1.00
    Cruise MP:  13
    Flank MP:   20
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         0.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.50
Armor:              Laser-Reflective             AV -   8                  0.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     3         
                                          Left/Right    2/2         
                                                Rear     1         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Laser                                 FR        3         1         1.00
Machine Gun                                  FR        0         1         0.50
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0.50

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      0    Points: 2
13         1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  0
Special Abilities:





[Andras]

Whats the point on the HFF armor when you don't get any points from it, and it costs 10k more?

[CloaknDagger]

Fixed.

[Stinger]

Thanks everyone for the replies!

I think I like the 5 ton design with the ER Small laser the best, it makes the most sense :) Or the one with the medium laser, but swap it with a small pulse, better Anti Infantry that way :)

[CloaknDagger]

I think I like the 5 ton design with the ER Small laser the best, it makes the most sense :) Or the one with the medium laser, but swap it with a small pulse, better Anti Infantry that way :)

That's what the MG is for. AI + AT.

[Nahuris]

5 tons with an ER Small Laser can be surprisingly scary.... and while the medium, or even an ER medium can be scary..... I'd prefer to handle it with small weapons.

Too bad we can't use protomech weapons and construction for micro vehicles. So many kilograms for this or that, and you could build some very nice combat vehicles that would add a lot to the game.

Nahuris

[UnLimiTeD]

Make it unarmed, and have it be ridden by a BA trooper. :P
Well, I suppose the rules don't support that outside AToW

[Andras]

Thanks everyone for the replies!

I think I like the 5 ton design with the ER Small laser the best, it makes the most sense :) Or the one with the medium laser, but swap it with a small pulse, better Anti Infantry that way :)

If you want more AI, replace the LMG with a flamer.

You can make it a 5t Omnivehicle with 8pts of armor and 1.5t of payload, 17/26MP
Prime- ERSmL + LMG
Alpha- ErSmL+flamer
Beta- ERML, ERSML

If you restrict movement to 13/20, you can have 2t of payload, which opens up an SRM2 + 50 shots, or twin ERMLs, etc. (basically a lighter armored SavannahMaster with more weapons).
Heh, 4 RL10s anyone?

[worktroll]

Make it unarmed, and have it be ridden by a BA trooper. :P
Well, I suppose the rules don't support that outside AToW

Make it an Omnivehicle and then a squad of BA can ride it ...