Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war

[Snimm]

The RFL-3HV, based off the RFL-3C, reduces the engine size of the original to mount two HVAC/10s with a total of four tons of ammo.  It shaves half a ton of armor off the rear torso to make the weight.  As with any Rifleman, it is prone to overheating, but despite its slower speed still benefits often enough from the extended range it enjoys over the original to have its place in Inner Sphere armies.

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Rifleman RFL-3HV
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
-------------------
Experimental    - 
Advanced      3145+
Standard        - 
Tech Rating: D/X-X-F-E

Weight: 60 tons
BV: 1,014
Cost: 4,140,800 C-bills
Source: TRO 3039 - Succession Wars

Movement: 3/5
Engine: 180
Heat Sinks: 10
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 99
Armor: 128/201
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               20     22   
Center Torso (rear)                3   
Right Torso                14     15   
Right Torso (rear)                 2   
Left Torso                 14     15   
Left Torso (rear)                  2   
Right Arm                  10     15   
Left Arm                   10     15   
Right Leg                  14     15   
Left Leg                   14     15   

Weapons       Loc  Heat 
-------------------------
HVAC/10        RA    7   
HVAC/10        LA    7   
Medium Laser   RT    3   
Medium Laser   LT    3   

Ammo          Loc  Shots 
--------------------------
HVAC/10 Ammo   RT      8 
HVAC/10 Ammo   RT      8 
HVAC/10 Ammo   LT      8 
HVAC/10 Ammo   LT      8 


[Snimm]

Oh, Capella, Capella, Capella.  You stuck a Blazer on your Marauder variant, but you STILL have the computer issues!  Why, oh why, can't you make a proper Mech?!

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Marauder MAD-3LB
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
-------------------
Experimental    - 
Advanced        - 
Standard      3145+
Tech Rating: D/X-X-F-X

Weight: 75 tons
BV: 1,387
Cost: 6,594,000 C-bills
Source: TRO 3039 - Succession Wars

Movement: 4/6
Engine: 300
Heat Sinks: 18
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 114
Armor: 184/231
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               23     35   
Center Torso (rear)               10   
Right Torso                16     17   
Right Torso (rear)                 8   
Left Torso                 16     17   
Left Torso (rear)                  8   
Right Arm                  12     22   
Left Arm                   12     22   
Right Leg                  16     18   
Left Leg                   16     18   

Weapons                       Loc  Heat 
-----------------------------------------
Medium Laser                   LA    3   
PPC                            RA   10   
Medium Laser                   RA    3   
Light AC/2                     RT    1   
Binary Laser (Blazer) Cannon   LA   16   

Ammo        Loc  Shots 
------------------------
LAC/2 Ammo   LT     45 




Quirks
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Command 'Mech<br/>
Hyper-Extending Actuators<br/>
Narrow/Low Profile


[Daryk]

The Commercial Armor + Blazer Cannon angle seems to work pretty well for the Clint... 8)

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Blint BLNT-2-CA

Mass: 40 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-E-A
Production Year: 0
Cost: 3,526,460 C-Bills
Battle Value: 866

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 240 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 180 meters
Armor: Unknown Commercial
Armament:
    1  Binary Laser Cannon
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      67 points                4.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                240                      11.50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 6 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 2 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT                                   3.00
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             11                        1.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Commercial (BAR: 5)          AV - 132                  5.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            8         
                                        Center Torso     12           19       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  5         
                                           L/R Torso     10           15       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  5         
                                             L/R Arm     6            10       
                                             L/R Leg     10           20       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Binary Laser Cannon                          RA        16        4         9.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 35

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      2    Points: 9
6j         1       1       0       0      2     1   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

[Daryk]

Since I posted that Budget Wasp, I've been trying to figure out how to get the cost under a million C-Bills.  Then I remembered the Liao variant with a Flamer, and it hit me... Sure enough, an ER Flamer is cheaper than a Medium Laser!  Behold a somewhat effective BattleMech for under a million!

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Liao Budget Wasp WSP-1iL

Mass: 15 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 0
Cost: 997,510 C-Bills
Battle Value: 231

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 90 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 180 meters
Armor: Unknown Commercial
Armament:
    1  Rocket Launcher 10
    1  ER Flamer
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      26 points                1.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 90                       3.00
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 6 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT                                         3.00
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 HD, 2 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               1.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Commercial (BAR: 5)          AV -  48                  2.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            8         
                                        Center Torso     5            6         
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  2         
                                           L/R Torso     4            5         
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  2         
                                             L/R Arm     2            4         
                                             L/R Leg     3            5         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Flamer                                    RA        4         1         1.00
Rocket Launcher 10                           LL        3         1         0.50
                                            Free Critical Slots: 32

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      1    Points: 2
6j         1       1       1       0      1     0   Structure:  1
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

[Snimm]

Is there a configuration option I'm missing on MML that I can't find primitive anything other than armor to use for Mechs?

[Daryk]

No idea, sorry... I use SSW.

[monbvol]

Latest version of MML has actual primitive mechs as a separate unit type.  It is in a sub menu that isn't entirely obvious.

[Snimm]

Found it, thank you.

[Giovanni Blasini]

Been a few days, so...Primitive UrbanMech!

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UrbanMech UM-R61
Base Tech Level: Advanced (IS)
Level          Era
-------------------
Experimental    - 
Advanced      3145+
Standard        - 
Extinct       3145+
Tech Rating: D/X-X-X-F

Weight: 30 tons
BV: 475
Cost: 1,497,275 C-bills
Source: Succession Wars

Movement: 2/3/2
Engine: 75
Heat Sinks: 10
Cockpit: Primitive Cockpit
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 51
Armor: 96/105 (Primitive)
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               10     11   
Center Torso (rear)                8   
Right Torso                 7      8   
Right Torso (rear)                 4   
Left Torso                  7      8   
Left Torso (rear)                  4   
Right Arm                   5     10   
Left Arm                    5     10   
Right Leg                   7     12   
Left Leg                    7     12   

Weapons       Loc  Heat 
-------------------------
Small Laser    LA    1   
Light AC/5     RA    1   
Medium Laser   RA    3   

Ammo             Loc  Shots 
-----------------------------
Flak LAC/5 Ammo   RT     20 
LAC/5 Ammo        RT     20 

Equipment     Loc 
-------------------
Recon Camera   HD 



Quirks
Extended Torso Twist
Narrow/Low Profile
No/Minimal Arms


[Snimm]

I don't recall seeing a HV/10 Urbie yet.  So here we go, using commercial armor and dropping the extra heat sink.

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UrbanMech UM-HV60
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
-------------------
Experimental    - 
Advanced      3145+
Standard        - 
Tech Rating: D/X-X-F-E

Weight: 30 tons
BV: 402
Cost: 1,490,125 C-bills
Source: TRO 3039 - Star League

Movement: 2/3/2
Engine: 60
BAR Rating : 5
Heat Sinks: 10
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 51
Armor: 96/105 Commercial
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               10     11   
Center Torso (rear)                8   
Right Torso                 7      8   
Right Torso (rear)                 4   
Left Torso                  7      8   
Left Torso (rear)                  4   
Right Arm                   5     10   
Left Arm                    5     10   
Right Leg                   7     12   
Left Leg                    7     12   

Weapons      Loc  Heat 
------------------------
Small Laser   LA    1   
HVAC/10       RA    7   

Ammo          Loc  Shots 
--------------------------
HVAC/10 Ammo   RT      8 
HVAC/10 Ammo   RT      8 




Quirks
------
Extended Torso Twist<br/>
Narrow/Low Profile<br/>
No/Minimal Arms


And a very standoff version, using the HVAC/5 and MML 3.  Originally had 2 tons of AC ammo and just LRMs for the MML.  But heck, even one ton of AC ammo is 5 more shots than your standard Urbie, so I went with the MML versatility.

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UrbanMech UM-HV50
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
-------------------
Experimental    - 
Advanced      3145+
Standard        - 
Tech Rating: D/X-X-F-E

Weight: 30 tons
BV: 346
Cost: 1,478,100 C-bills
Source: TRO 3039 - Star League

Movement: 2/3/2
Engine: 60
BAR Rating : 5
Heat Sinks: 10
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 51
Armor: 96/105 Commercial
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               10     11   
Center Torso (rear)                8   
Right Torso                 7      8   
Right Torso (rear)                 4   
Left Torso                  7      8   
Left Torso (rear)                  4   
Right Arm                   5     10   
Left Arm                    5     10   
Right Leg                   7     12   
Left Leg                    7     12   

Weapons  Loc  Heat 
--------------------
HVAC/5    RA    3   
MML 3     LA    2   

Ammo            Loc  Shots 
----------------------------
HVAC/5 Ammo      RT     15 
MML 3 LRM Ammo   LT     40 
MML 3 SRM Ammo   LT     33 




Quirks
------
Extended Torso Twist<br/>
Narrow/Low Profile<br/>
No/Minimal Arms


[Giovanni Blasini]

Alternate Marauder is Alternate.

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Marauder MAD-0M
Base Tech Level: Advanced (IS)
Level            Era   
-----------------------
Experimental  3062-3067
Advanced        3068+ 
Standard          -   
Extinct         3062+ 
Tech Rating: D/X-X-X-F

Weight: 75 tons
BV: 1,277
Cost: 6,036,625 C-bills

Movement: 3/5/3
Engine: 270
Heat Sinks: 16
Cockpit: Primitive Cockpit
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 114
Armor: 187/231 (Primitive)
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               23     36   
Center Torso (rear)               10   
Right Torso                16     18   
Right Torso (rear)                 8   
Left Torso                 16     18   
Left Torso (rear)                  8   
Right Arm                  12     22   
Left Arm                   12     22   
Right Leg                  16     18   
Left Leg                   16     18   

Weapons       Loc  Heat 
-------------------------
Large Laser    RA    8   
Large Laser    LA    8   
Medium Laser   LA    3   
Medium Laser   RA    3   

Ammo            Loc  Shots 
----------------------------
MML 7 LRM Ammo   RT     17 


[Daryk]

???

I see the ammo... where's the MML?

This is why I prefer SSW's text output... :-\

[Giovanni Blasini]

Oops. Good question. Will fix tomorrow.

[Snimm]

This Battlehamster has always been a gleam in my eye...but difficult to pull off with 3025 tech (having to slow it down to 3/5) until now!!

Originally, this had 3 large lasers on the one arm, so of course I had to swap two of them off for a Blazer.  But what really makes this work now is the addition of coolant pods!  Finally, I had to use commercial armor - hey, five tons is a lot!  So its protection isn't really THAT great, but on the other hand, it's a laser boat (with the significant weakness of having an empty left torso, but medium lasers can always be swapped in there, I suppose).

If I weren't so hung up on having that third large laser, that could be dropped to have standard armor back.

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BattleMaster BLR-8G
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
-------------------
Experimental    - 
Advanced        - 
Standard      3145+
Tech Rating: D/X-X-E-D

Weight: 85 tons
BV: 1,388
Cost: 8,627,968 C-bills
Source: TRO 3039 - Star League

Movement: 4/6
Engine: 340
BAR Rating : 5
Heat Sinks: 18
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 130
Armor: 228/263 Commercial
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               27     36   
Center Torso (rear)               11   
Right Torso                18     28   
Right Torso (rear)                 8   
Left Torso                 18     28   
Left Torso (rear)                  8   
Right Arm                  14     24   
Left Arm                   14     24   
Right Leg                  18     26   
Left Leg                   18     26   

Weapons                       Loc  Heat 
-----------------------------------------
Large Laser                    RA    8   
Medium Laser                   LA    3   
Medium Laser                   LA    3   
Medium Laser                   LA    3   
Medium Laser                   LA    3   
Medium Laser                   LA    3   
Medium Laser                   LA    3   
Medium Laser                   LA    3   
Medium Laser                   LA    3   
Binary Laser (Blazer) Cannon   RA   16   

Ammo         Loc  Shots 
-------------------------
Coolant Pod   CT      1 
Coolant Pod   CT      1 
Coolant Pod   RT      1 




Quirks
------
Command 'Mech<br/>
Weak Head Armor (1)


[Liam's Ghost]

When I get back from the bank I'll post the vehicle and other aerospace design challenges.

[Snimm]

The Victor hasn't gotten much love.  So Federated Suns engineers, playing around with ACs like they love to do, found it very simple to swap out the AC/20 for an HVAC/10 - same weight and heat, and double the range, for half the firepower.  This was considered acceptable, as it gave the lightly armored (for an assault class) Mech ability to respond to long-ranged fire.  The machine gun, now superfluous because of the use of ER flamers, was replaced with a coolant pod.

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Victor VTR-9A
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
-------------------
Experimental    - 
Advanced      3145+
Standard        - 
Tech Rating: D/X-X-F-E

Weight: 80 tons
BV: 1,223
Cost: 8,062,320 C-bills
Source: TRO 3039 - Age of War
Role: Skirmisher

Movement: 4/6/4
Engine: 320
Heat Sinks: 15
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 122
Armor: 136/247
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               25     18   
Center Torso (rear)                9   
Right Torso                17     12   
Right Torso (rear)                 6   
Left Torso                 17     12   
Left Torso (rear)                  6   
Right Arm                  13     12   
Left Arm                   13     12   
Right Leg                  17     20   
Left Leg                   17     20   

Weapons       Loc  Heat 
-------------------------
Medium Laser   LA    3   
Medium Laser   LA    3   
SRM 4          LT    3   
ER Flamer      RT    4   
ER Flamer      RT    4   
HVAC/10        RA    7   

Ammo          Loc  Shots 
--------------------------
SRM 4 Ammo     LT     25 
HVAC/10 Ammo   RT      8 
HVAC/10 Ammo   RT      8 
HVAC/10 Ammo   RT      8 
Coolant Pod    LT      1 




Quirks
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Rugged (1 Point)


[Speedbump]

Coming back to this thread and re-reading I noticed that no one had actually made any industrial mech designs. I took it upon myself to fix that. The following designs were produced on Maxwell by newcomers Clerk-James Industries. While the designs are perfectly functional they all have the non-standard parts quirk, because the company essentially started from scratch and didn't take into account old Star League standards. More established companies didn't follow their example when they expanded their own production.

First up, the Logger is a Primitive Industrial intended to be a cheaper alternative to the Crosscut. Without the cargo capacity and lift hoist it's reliant on another vehicle to actually carry the wood back.

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Logger LGG-1I

Mass: 20 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere (Primitive)
Chassis Config: Biped IndustrialMech
Rules Level: Era Specific
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/E-X-F-A
Production Year: 2979
Cost: 646,380 C-Bills
Battle Value: 101

Chassis: Unknown Primitive Industrial
Power Plant: Unknown 75 Primitive I.C.E. Engine
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Commercial
Armament:
    1  Chainsaw
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Primitive Industrial          33 points                4.00
Engine:             Primitive I.C.E. Engine       75                       4.00
    Walking MP: 3
    Running MP: 5
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               1.00
Cockpit:            Primitive Industrial                                   5.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Commercial (BAR: 5)          AV -  24                  1.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            2         
                                        Center Torso     6            4         
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  2         
                                           L/R Torso     5            2         
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  2         
                                             L/R Arm     3            2         
                                             L/R Leg     4            2         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chainsaw                                     RA        -         5         5.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 43

Quirks: Non-Standard Parts

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      0    Points: 1
3          0       0       0       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: MEL, SAW, ENE, SRCH, EE

Clerk-James second offering is a low end security mech. With short range, low speed and 1.5 tons of Commercial armour you really don't want to take it into anything resembling a real battle. It can handle dispersing crowds with rubber (or not) bullets, but it's mainly relying on the image of "being a mech" to discourage people from making trouble.

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Bouncer BNR-1I

Mass: 15 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere (Primitive)
Chassis Config: Biped IndustrialMech
Rules Level: Era Specific
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-X-F-A
Production Year: 2981
Cost: 513,718 C-Bills
Battle Value: 90

Chassis: Unknown Primitive Industrial
Power Plant: Unknown 55 Primitive I.C.E. Engine
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Commercial
Armament:
    2  Light Machine Guns
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Primitive Industrial          26 points                3.00
Engine:             Primitive I.C.E. Engine       55                       3.00
    Walking MP: 3
    Running MP: 5
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               1.00
Cockpit:            Primitive Industrial                                   5.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Commercial (BAR: 5)          AV -  36                  1.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            3         
                                        Center Torso     5            5         
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  2         
                                           L/R Torso     4            4         
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  2         
                                             L/R Arm     2            3         
                                             L/R Leg     3            4         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Light Machine Gun                            RT        0         1         0.50
Light Machine Gun                            LT        0         1         0.50
@LMG (1/2) (100)                             CT        -         1         0.50
                                            Free Critical Slots: 44

Quirks: Non-Standard Parts

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      1    Points: 1
3          1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  1
Special Abilities: SRCH, EE

Transitioning to something a bit more high end, the Firebreak is a modern grade industrial mech with a fuel cell engine. It's got a mech scale sword for clearing ground/demolishing obstacles that can be dropped if a task requires two hands. It also has a full blown fluid gun with an advanced fire control system to let it actually utilize the long range.

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Firebreak FBR-1I

Mass: 35 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped IndustrialMech
Rules Level: Era Specific
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 2977
Cost: 1,526,098 C-Bills
Battle Value: 268

Chassis: Unknown Industrial
Power Plant: Unknown 175 Fuel Cell Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Commercial
Armament:
    1  Sword
    1  Fluid Gun
    1  Fluid Suction System, Light
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Industrial                    58 points                7.00
Engine:             Fuel-Cell Engine             175                       8.50
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             1                         0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               2.00
Cockpit:            Industrial w/ Adv. Fire Control                        3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Commercial (BAR: 5)          AV -  84                  3.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            7         
                                        Center Torso     11           10       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  5         
                                           L/R Torso     8            9         
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  5         
                                             L/R Arm     6            8         
                                             L/R Leg     8            9         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fluid Gun                                    RT        0         2         2.00
Sword                                        RA        -         3         2.00
Fluid Suction System, Light                  LL        0         1         0.50
@Fluid Gun (Flm Rtrdnt) (20)                 RT        -         1         1.00
@Fluid Gun (Water) (40)                      LT        -         2         2.00
Environmental Sealing                        *         -         8         0.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 30

* The Environmental Sealing occupies 1 slot in every location.

Quirks: Jettison Capable Weapon (Sword), Non-Standard Parts

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      1    Points: 3
5          0       0       0       0      1     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: MEL, SRCH, EE, SEAL, SOA

Looking at the sword, Fire Control and OK amour a number of people decided to refit it as improvised combat mech(particularly in the periphery). This is effectively the standard refit:

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Firebreak FBR-1R

Mass: 35 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped IndustrialMech
Rules Level: Era Specific
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 2977
Cost: 1,543,498 C-Bills
Battle Value: 333

Chassis: Unknown Industrial
Power Plant: Unknown 175 Fuel Cell Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Commercial
Armament:
    1  SRM-2
    2  Rocket Launcher 10s
    1  Sword
    2  Machine Guns
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Industrial                    58 points                7.00
Engine:             Fuel-Cell Engine             175                       8.50
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             2                         1.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               2.00
Cockpit:            Industrial w/ Adv. Fire Control                        3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Commercial (BAR: 5)          AV -  84                  3.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            7         
                                        Center Torso     11           10       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  5         
                                           L/R Torso     8            9         
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  5         
                                             L/R Arm     6            8         
                                             L/R Leg     8            9         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SRM-2                                        RT        2         1         1.00
Machine Gun                                  LT        0         1         0.50
2 Rocket Launcher 10s                        LT        6         2         1.00
Sword                                        RA        -         3         2.00
Machine Gun                                  LL        0         1         0.50
@SRM-2 (50)                                  RT        -         1         1.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              LT        -         1         0.50
Environmental Sealing                        *         -         8         0.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 29

* The Environmental Sealing occupies 1 slot in every location.

Quirks: Jettison Capable Weapon (Sword), Non-Standard Parts

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      1    Points: 3
5          1       1       1       0      1     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: MEL, SRCH, EE, SEAL, SOA

Built in a short production at the Marian Hegemony's direct request, this final variant ditches the environmental sealing in order upgrade to standard grade armour. It also sacrifices the sword for more traditional firepower.

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Firebreak FBR-III

Mass: 35 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped IndustrialMech
Rules Level: Era Specific
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3009
Cost: 1,645,315 C-Bills
Battle Value: 556

Chassis: Unknown Industrial
Power Plant: Unknown 175 Fuel Cell Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  SRM-4
    3  Rocket Launcher 10s
    3  Light Machine Guns
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Industrial                    58 points                7.00
Engine:             Fuel-Cell Engine             175                       8.50
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             3                         2.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               2.00
Cockpit:            Industrial w/ Adv. Fire Control                        3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  96                  6.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            8         
                                        Center Torso     11           14       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  4         
                                           L/R Torso     8            11       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  4         
                                             L/R Arm     6            9         
                                             L/R Leg     8            11       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Rocket Launcher 10s                        RT        6         2         1.00
2 Light Machine Guns                         LT        0         2         1.00
Rocket Launcher 10                           LT        3         1         0.50
SRM-4                                        RA        3         1         2.00
Light Machine Gun                            LA        0         1         0.50
@SRM-4 (25)                                  RT        -         1         1.00
@LMG (1/2) (100)                             LT        -         1         0.50
                                            Free Critical Slots: 38

Quirks: Jettison Capable Weapon (SRM-4), Non-Standard Parts

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 6
5          2       2       1       0      1     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: SRCH, EE

After it became apparent that their inadvertent venture into military supply had been a success Clerk-James looked for a way to build something that could compete with actual battlemechs. When this proved a tall order someone hit upon the idea of designing a dedicated trainer mech, like the Chameleon, that could compete for military contracts without necessarily needing the combat ability of a battlemech. Built with imported 120 rated fusion engines, the Student carries a wide array of different types of weaponry and just enough jump jets for someone to learn to use them. Unfortunately most of the testing was done with the medium laser's power dialed down as they assumed it would be most of the time, resulting in it's cooling systems not really being up to the task.

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Student STU-T1

Mass: 30 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped IndustrialMech
Rules Level: Era Specific
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-X-A
Production Year: 3018
Cost: 1,594,279 C-Bills
Battle Value: 299

Chassis: Unknown Industrial
Power Plant: Unknown 120 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor: Unknown Commercial
Armament:
    1  Medium Laser
    1  MML-3
    1  Light Rifle
    1  ER Flamer
    1  Machine Gun
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Industrial                    51 points                6.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                120                       4.00
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 3 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT                                   1.50
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               2.00
Cockpit:            Industrial w/ Adv. Fire Control                        3.00
    Ejection Seat:                                                         0.50
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Commercial (BAR: 5)          AV -  60                  2.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            5         
                                        Center Torso     10           7         
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  4         
                                           L/R Torso     7            7         
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  4         
                                             L/R Arm     5            5         
                                             L/R Leg     7            6         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MML-3                                        RT        2         2         1.50
Light Rifle                                  LT        1         1         3.00
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1.00
ER Flamer                                    RA        4         1         1.00
Machine Gun                                  LA        0         1         0.50
@MML-3 (SRM) (33)                            RT        -         1         1.00
@MML-3 (LRM) (40)                            RT        -         1         1.00
@Light Rifle (18)                            LT        -         1         1.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              LT        -         1         0.50
                                            Free Critical Slots: 27

Quirks: Easy to Pilot, Non-Standard Parts, Poor Cooling Jacket (Medium Laser)

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      1    Points: 3
4/2j       2       2       1       0      1     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES


[Snimm]

I think I did something similar to this in a different design challenge, but this one lets me get even closer to true Thunderbolt weaponry in a Centurion!

The only difference in this Centurion's weapon loadout to the standard TDR-5S is the exchange of MML 9 for LRM 15.  Otherwise it has the large laser, three medium lasers, machine guns, and even SRM 2 (improved one-shot, but still), and 15 heat sinks.  Just goes to show you how much weight you have (exactly half the total tonnage) to play with in a 4/6 50-ton Mech.

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Centuribolt CN9-TDR
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
-------------------
Experimental  3145+
Advanced        - 
Standard        - 
Tech Rating: D/X-X-X-X

Weight: 50 tons
BV: 991
Cost: 3,505,750 C-bills

Movement: 4/6
Engine: 200
Heat Sinks: 15
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 83
Armor: 136/169
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               16     18   
Center Torso (rear)                7   
Right Torso                12     13   
Right Torso (rear)                 6   
Left Torso                 12     13   
Left Torso (rear)                  6   
Right Arm                   8     16   
Left Arm                    8     16   
Right Leg                  12     16   
Left Leg                   12     16   

Weapons       Loc  Heat 
-------------------------
Large Laser    RA    8   
Medium Laser   LT    3   
Medium Laser   LT    3   
Medium Laser   LT    3   
Machine Gun    LA    0   
Machine Gun    LA    0   
MML 9          RT    5   
SRM 2 (I-OS)   LT    2   

Ammo                   Loc  Shots 
-----------------------------------
Half Machine Gun Ammo   CT    100 
MML 9 LRM Ammo          RT     13 
MML 9 SRM Ammo          RT     11 


[Giovanni Blasini]

Wow, that is cool.

[Daryk]

Cool indeed, but a bit light on armor for a T-Bolt-alike.  I think I would have dropped the OS SRM-2 for more of it...

[Snimm]

Well, yes, but if I changed the armor, would it be a Centurion anymore?

I suppose there is precedent, given the max armor on the CN9-AL.  But max armor is no FUN! :P

And I probably could get more heavy Mech weapon layouts shoehorned into this chassis, but the hangup usually is that I won't have the heat sinks to use much of it.  I believe, for example, a MAD-3R's loadout would fit, but would only have 10 heat sinks.  I suppose that's what a coolant pod is for, however.

[Atarlost]

First off, what happened to posting aerospace and vehicle versions of the thread?

Second, while I'm not normally a stickler for mech variants slavishly adhering to the feel of the original, I can't help but be upset that the only Hatcherman in the thread gives up the hatchet. 

Thus, as part of Hanse Davion's ultimately unsuccessful campaign to introduce the AFFS to the joys of not dieing in ammo explosions (and because I had to free up mass for a supercharger and a second coat of paint somehow) I introduce the HCT-3D. 

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Hatchetman HCT-3D Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level
Era
Experimental
3023-3072
Advanced
3073+
Standard
-
Tech Rating: D/X-F-F-X  Weight: 45 tons BV: 1,187 Cost: 5,817,690 C-bills Source: alternate SW  Movement: 4/6(8)/4 Engine: 180 Heat Sinks: 14 Gyro: Standard Gyro  Internal: 75 Armor: 136/153

Internal
Armor


Head
3
9


Center Torso
14
20


Center Torso (rear)

5


Right Torso
11
16


Right Torso (rear)

4


Left Torso
11
16


Left Torso (rear)

4


Right Arm
7
11


Left Arm
7
11


Right Leg
11
20


Left Leg
11
20


 
Weapons
Loc
Heat

Medium Laser
LA
3

PPC
RT
10

Medium Laser
RT
3

Medium Laser
HD
3

 
Equipment
Loc

Hatchet
RA

Supercharger
CT
Also, along with adding a medium laser the one that can't be fired when the hatchet is used was moved somewhere where it could be. 

And since the pun gods demand it, rocket launchers and coolant pods: a match made in heaven.  I'm calling this a later Taurian refit because they eventually wind up with the license and the periphery is associated with rocket launchers. 

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Hwachaman HCT-3T Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level
Era
Experimental
3023-3073
Advanced
3074-3097
Standard
3098+
Tech Rating: D/X-X-E-X  Weight: 45 tons BV: 1,166 Cost: 3,873,240 C-bills Source: alternate SW  Movement: 5/8/5 Engine: 225 Heat Sinks: 13 Gyro: Standard Gyro  Internal: 75 Armor: 136/153

Internal
Armor


Head
3
9


Center Torso
14
20


Center Torso (rear)

5


Right Torso
11
16


Right Torso (rear)

4


Left Torso
11
16


Left Torso (rear)

4


Right Arm
7
11


Left Arm
7
11


Right Leg
11
20


Left Leg
11
20


 
Weapons
Loc
Heat

Medium Laser
LA
3

Medium Laser
RA
3

Rocket Launcher 10
RT
3

Rocket Launcher 10
RT
3

Rocket Launcher 10
RT
3

Rocket Launcher 10
RT
3

Rocket Launcher 10
RT
3

Rocket Launcher 10
RT
3

Rocket Launcher 10
RT
3

Rocket Launcher 10
RT
3

Rocket Launcher 10
RT
3

 
Ammo
Loc
Shots

Coolant Pod
RT
1

 
Equipment
Loc

Hatchet
RA


[Snimm]

Digging around the TROs, I wanted to make a few "new introtech" versions of some of the 3050 and/or 3055 IS designs, for those that could really be worked out that way. 

In this era, the SNK-1E was created as a response to the PXH-1, but needless to say, its lesser mobility and extremely heavy use of ammunition made it less viable as a scout.  It also lacked the Phoenix Hawk's excellent communications system; therefore, the PXH went on to become the premier scouting command Mech.

The SNK-1E isn't a terrible Mech, despite its lack of popularity, sporting an LAC/5 and 3 MML 3s.  Pilots of this Mech were trained to emphasize the use of the autocannon, as it has long ammunition bins as compared to the much less equipped missile launchers.  The four and a half tons of ammo onboard this Mech, however, affected its survivability during the Succession Wars. 

After the Clan invasion, the SNK-1V (the original 3055 TRO Mech) would drop the torso-mounted light machine guns for badly needed CASE, and "upgrade" (depending on your viewpoint) the MML 3's to the more space- and ammo-efficient Streak SRM 2s, thereby making ammo explosions much less likely.  Finally, the change to an XL engine saved enough weight for the LBX-10, again showing the emphasis on the autocannon for this Mech as opposed to the missiles.

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Snake SNK-1E
Base Tech Level: Standard (IS)
Level          Era
-------------------
Experimental    - 
Advanced        - 
Standard      3145+
Tech Rating: D/X-X-F-E

Weight: 45 tons
BV: 844
Cost: 3,962,053 C-bills

Movement: 5/8/5
Engine: 225
Heat Sinks: 10
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 75
Armor: 112/153
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      8   
Center Torso               14     16   
Center Torso (rear)                6   
Right Torso                11     11   
Right Torso (rear)                 4   
Left Torso                 11     11   
Left Torso (rear)                  4   
Right Arm                   7     10   
Left Arm                    7     10   
Right Leg                  11     16   
Left Leg                   11     16   

Weapons            Loc  Heat 
------------------------------
Light AC/5          RA    1   
MML 3               LT    2   
MML 3               LT    2   
MML 3               LT    2   
Light Machine Gun   RT    0   
Light Machine Gun   RT    0   

Ammo                           Loc  Shots 
-------------------------------------------
LAC/5 Ammo                      RT     20 
MML 3 LRM Ammo                  RT     40 
MML 3 SRM Ammo                  RT     33 
LAC/5 Ammo                      RT     20 
Light Machine Gun Ammo [Half]   RT    100 




Quirks
------
Improved Targeting (Short)<br/>
Protected Actuators<br/>
No Torso Twist


[Snimm]

The Battle Hawk didn't look much different in its prototype days than the Battle Hawk which was realized after the Clan invasion.  The Mech provided good service in line battalions; this also proved its downfall, as many were destroyed when its pilots forgot they were still piloting a light Mech no matter how good its firepower, and most of them were destroyed or parted out by the time the Clans arrived.  Despite its good battle record before the Clans, Defiance still took it on the chin due to sabotage and subterfuge surrounding the Battle Hawk's reputation before its update and re-release, as related in the TRO 3055.

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Battle Hawk BH-K304
Base Tech Level: Introductory (IS)
Level          Era
-------------------
Experimental    - 
Advanced        - 
Standard      3071+
Tech Rating: D/C-E-D-D

Weight: 30 tons
BV: 775
Cost: 2,263,690 C-bills

Movement: 5/8/5
Engine: 150
Heat Sinks: 11
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 51
Armor: 96/105
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               10     16   
Center Torso (rear)                3   
Right Torso                 7     11   
Right Torso (rear)                 3   
Left Torso                  7     11   
Left Torso (rear)                  3   
Right Arm                   5      8   
Left Arm                    5      8   
Right Leg                   7     12   
Left Leg                    7     12   

Weapons       Loc  Heat 
-------------------------
Medium Laser   RA    3   
Medium Laser   RA    3   
Medium Laser   RA    3   
SRM 4          LA    3   
Machine Gun    HD    0   

Ammo                   Loc  Shots 
-----------------------------------
SRM 4 Ammo              LT     25 
Half Machine Gun Ammo   CT    100 


[Snimm]

In an effort to get more reach and firepower out of the Goliath as well as deal with some of the 1H's more glaring design flaws, the Federated Suns replaced all the weapons with an HVAC/5 and 4 MML 3s.  To deal with short-range protection issues, an M-Pod was placed on each leg, giving the Goliath a fair punch of self-defense against armored and unarmored foes alike.  A pair of A-Pods were also added for good measure.

While the overall firepower might not be improved, this Goliath is much more capable of defending itself at short range, as much as a quad Mech can do so, at any rate.

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Goliath GOL-1HV
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
-------------------
Experimental    - 
Advanced      3145+
Standard        - 
Tech Rating: D/X-X-F-X

Weight: 80 tons
BV: 1,296
Cost: 7,631,400 C-bills
Source: TRO 3039 - Star League

Movement: 4/6
Engine: 320
Heat Sinks: 10
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 130
Armor: 232/263
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               25     30   
Center Torso (rear)               19   
Right Torso                17     20   
Right Torso (rear)                13   
Left Torso                 17     20   
Left Torso (rear)                 13   
Front Right Leg            17     24   
Front Left Leg             17     24   
Rear Right Leg             17     30   
Rear Left Leg              17     30   

Weapons  Loc  Heat 
--------------------
HVAC/5    RT    3   
MML 3     RT    2   
MML 3     RT    2   
MML 3     LT    2   
MML 3     LT    2   
M-Pod    FRL    0   
M-Pod    RRL    0   
M-Pod    FLL    0   
M-Pod    RLL    0   

Ammo            Loc  Shots 
----------------------------
HVAC/5 Ammo      RT     15 
HVAC/5 Ammo      RT     15 
MML 3 LRM Ammo   CT     40 
MML 3 LRM Ammo   CT     40 
MML 3 SRM Ammo   RT     33 

Equipment                     Loc 
-----------------------------------
Anti-Personnel Pods (A-Pods)  RRL 
Anti-Personnel Pods (A-Pods)  RLL 



Quirks
------
Multi-Trac<br/>
Exposed Actuators


[Psyckosama]

Hooray!  I found them in my e-mail from 2011... :)

Send me a copy please. Esp if you have the characters saved.

I liked Harleen very much :)

[Daryk]

If your e-mail is the same, the files should be in your inbox...