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ArcaneRaven · « **Reply #420 on:** 28 July 2011, 15:03:13 »

Please, what exactly means the upgrade percentage in the FR again?

Moonsword · « **Reply #421 on:** 28 July 2011, 15:09:33 »

It's the percentage of units using non-Introductory hardware, I think.

Maelwys · « **Reply #422 on:** 28 July 2011, 15:11:12 »

If I had to guess, I would say some of the colonies may have broken away due to all the money being spent on rebuilding places other than them. Or failed colonies. Or they couldn't handle the Centrella-Liao thing, especially since according to the map, the CapCon eventually gets Detroit.

If I had to guess, I'd say that Upgrade Percentage is amount of non-Intro tech in the unit.

Of course, makes me wonder if the MAF percentages are taking into account the armor forces.

ArcaneRaven · « **Reply #423 on:** 28 July 2011, 15:19:39 »

Ah, thanks to both of you! :)

Moonsword · « **Reply #424 on:** 28 July 2011, 15:25:30 »

Quote from: Maelwys on 28 July 2011, 15:11:12

Of course, makes me wonder if the MAF percentages are taking into account the armor forces.

I seem to recall one of the writers or TPTBs saying those are just talking about 'Mechs but I wouldn't swear to it.

Maelwys · « **Reply #425 on:** 28 July 2011, 15:34:30 »

It probably is. I think it always has been. It was mostly an idle thought since at first glance some of the percentages seem quite low. Second glance they seem a bit screwy too :)

Dread Moores · « **Reply #426 on:** 28 July 2011, 15:36:12 »

All pale and shall bow before the power of Randis! ;D

Moonsword · « **Reply #427 on:** 28 July 2011, 15:37:22 »

Quote from: Maelwys on 28 July 2011, 15:34:30

It probably is. I think it always has been. It was mostly an idle thought since at first glance some of the percentages seem quite low. Second glance they seem a bit screwy too :)

Personally, I'm not inclined to worry about the upgrade percentage all that much, especially if the upgrades are things that don't have a lot of battlefield impact, like adding CASE or slapping in SPLs to replace machine guns.

Maelwys · « **Reply #428 on:** 28 July 2011, 15:40:13 »

Quote from: Dread Moores on 28 July 2011, 15:36:12

All pale and shall bow before the power of Randis! ;D

More and more I think my theory of Randis being a hidden threat is correct :)

Dread Moores · « **Reply #429 on:** 28 July 2011, 15:46:39 »

It's not very hidden anymore.

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #430 on:** 28 July 2011, 22:59:54 »

Seeing as how even the FedSuns book only references regiments or battalions for its various RCTs, it's the core 'Mech force.

Moonsword · « **Reply #431 on:** 28 July 2011, 23:01:10 »

Quote from: ANS Kamas P81 on 28 July 2011, 22:59:54

Seeing as how even the FedSuns book only references regiments or battalions for its various RCTs, it's the core 'Mech force.

Yeah. Of course, according to the FedSuns tankers, 'Mechs are no longer the arm of decision anyway!

Dread Moores · « **Reply #432 on:** 28 July 2011, 23:14:40 »

For those wondering (and since I worked it out for another thread):

MoC (as of FM:U/3067) - 16 regiments
MoC (as of FR:P/3079) - 11.1 regiments

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #433 on:** 28 July 2011, 23:45:24 »

Does that include the merc forces?

Dread Moores · « **Reply #434 on:** 28 July 2011, 23:55:53 »

Nope.

Neufeld · « **Reply #435 on:** 29 July 2011, 03:56:39 »

Quote from: Dread Moores on 28 July 2011, 23:14:40

For those wondering (and since I worked it out for another thread):

MoC (as of FM:U/3067) - 16 regiments
MoC (as of FR:P/3079) - 11.1 regiments

Your numbers for 3067 seems too high, considering the there is only 15 regiments in the TO&E and some of them are not full strength. Where does the last 3067 regiment come from? My math gives a 3067 strength of 15 regiments at average 95.8%, which would give a 3067 strength of 14.4 regiments. To make sure I did the math right, I also calculated 3079 and duplicated your 11.1 number.

Maelwys · « **Reply #436 on:** 29 July 2011, 06:34:06 »

For 3067 I think he just took the strength listed in FM:U. There they list the MoC as having approximately 16 regiments (though they only show 15 in the TO&E). I've always assumed they were counting the Colonial Marshals as a MoC unit, but not listing them.

ArcaneRaven · « **Reply #437 on:** 29 July 2011, 07:09:20 »

Maybe some kind of militia forces?

Dread Moores · « **Reply #438 on:** 29 July 2011, 07:36:03 »

Yeah, I didn't run the percentages on FM:U. It was late, and my brain wasn't working that well. :)

Like Maelwys said, I just went by that little thing at the top of each section that said "approximately X regiments."

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #439 on:** 29 July 2011, 08:24:09 »

FMU percentages don't hold up to the 16th RGT as far as overstrength size; they've gotta be counting in the ~2 battalions of marshals (according to FMP) to get there. Nothing really stands out as being heavily overstrength; either that or it's a typo.

Maelwys · « **Reply #440 on:** 29 July 2011, 10:26:26 »

Possibly someone was erroneously counting the Marshals (since they appear in the Canopian section of FM:Periphery), even though they appear in the Lesser Periphery section of FM:U.

Or someone couldn't count. Equally possible I suppose :)

Stormcrow · « **Reply #441 on:** 29 July 2011, 12:19:40 »

FM: Periphery (ca 3059 in game) has the Marshals in their rightful place as the MoC had administrative control over them.

FM: Updates (ca 3067 in game) has the Marshals in the rightful place as they are now the 'military' arm of the newly formed Fronc Reaches

ArcaneRaven · « **Reply #442 on:** 29 July 2011, 15:17:38 »

By the way, what do you think is the basic rank of a non-commissioned MechWarrior in the MAF? If a lance is lead by a Ensign, are his subordinates Star Corporals?

Moonsword · « **Reply #443 on:** 29 July 2011, 15:47:25 »

Quote from: PrudentPanda on 29 July 2011, 15:17:38

By the way, what do you think is the basic rank of a non-commissioned MechWarrior in the MAF? If a lance is lead by a Ensign, are his subordinates Star Corporals?

My guess is they're probably Lance Corporals. Star Corporals are basically platoon sergeants.

ArcaneRaven · « **Reply #444 on:** 29 July 2011, 15:55:31 »

So, an infantry platoon commander has a higher rank than an average MechWarrior? I'm just curious.

Moonsword · « **Reply #445 on:** 29 July 2011, 16:02:13 »

Quote from: PrudentPanda on 29 July 2011, 15:55:31

So, an infantry platoon commander has a higher rank than an average MechWarrior? I'm just curious.

I'd think so, yes, since I'd put them at about the same rank as a tank commander. Better paid, maybe, but not necessarily with more authority. Welcome to "Why the BattleTech Rank Systems Are Screwed Up, Vol. (n+1)".

ArcaneRaven · « **Reply #446 on:** 29 July 2011, 16:11:48 »

Hm, would make sense. At least when compared to many other armed forces in-universe. Many infantry platoons are lead by lieutenants, which outrank MechWarriors, who are often sergeants.

Moonsword · « **Reply #447 on:** 29 July 2011, 16:14:16 »

Actually, I'd imagine they're usually lead by platoon sergeants who let lieutenants think they're in charge if they're good little boys and eat all their vegetables.

ArcaneRaven · « **Reply #448 on:** 29 July 2011, 16:23:10 »

Hehe, oh yeah, the real commanders of a platoon.

Maelwys · « **Reply #449 on:** 29 July 2011, 18:59:43 »

I seem to recall that Double Blind has all the non-Command MechWarriors that show up as Ensigns, but I don't have the pages to back that up right now (nor can I swear that those Ensigns aren't lance commanders or something, but I don't recall them being that way). And I'm pretty sure that all the aerospace fighter pilots mentioned are ensigns as well.

Of course, with the Magistracy, that could just indicate that they were able to purchase the Ensign rank, rather than it being standard practice.

And the odd ranking is something I wish HB:MPS had cleared up a bit.

Oh! And I think I might have figured out where the 16 regiments for the MAF might have come from. The General of each Combat Formation has a company of `Mechs for a personal unit, so that's another 5 Companies of troops (Royal Guard, Fusilier, Light Horse, Highlander, Cuirassier), which might just be enough to bump it up from 15 to 16.