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[Moonsword]

I'd standardize completely on Gauss rifles for my autocannons, but otherwise, yeah, it's just about exactly what you need for general work.

[jimdigris]

But aren't 20k the limit for military DropShips?

My quick scan of Techmanual put no limits on military dropship sizes below 100K tons.

Or how about starting with something small and manageable that their infrastructure might be able to actually build and wouldn't break the bank? 

It needs to be durable otherwise they'll end up getting destroyed.  Then, we have to go through the expense of building a replacement ship and training a new crew.

[Moonsword]

My quick scan of Techmanual put no limits on military dropship sizes below 100K tons.

As I noted, it's a fluff limit, and it's mentioned in TW, not TM.

It needs to be durable otherwise they'll end up getting destroyed.  Then, we have to go through the expense of building a replacement ship and training a new crew.

You can make a 5-6k DropShip into a very tough nut to crack, frankly.  Proportionally, the Tiamat is actually not as tough as a number of the smaller hulls - it wraps a lot less armor around the guns it carries for its size than, say, an Arondight or Taihou, to say nothing of the Dragau.

To expand on that, you actually pay less in tonnage for a given level of protection on a smaller hull, although exactly where the lines fall for armor depends on whether you're dealing with an aerodyne or a spheroid.  And again, costs and mass production both favor small, capable hulls over a very limited number of supersized vessels.  Cray - generally a reliable authority on the matter - gave some very solid reasoning on the subject a couple of times on the old boards if you dig around.  At least one poster didn't agree with him but the posts are worth reviewing.

[jimdigris]

On a seperate note, it occured to me this morning that in the DA, the Majistracy got back a pair of industrial worlds that it lost during the Re-Unification war: Claybrooke and Thurrock.  This could significantly increase the Magistracy economy.

[Top Sergeant]

What were / are their primary products?

[ANS Kamas P81]

The only limit is the 35KT cap for Aerodynes, but a Spheroid can indeed go to 100.  And land and take off, if it has sufficient thrust, despite what some folks on the forums might believe.

That said, the  idea of a proper Leopard gunship would be amusing.  Not the pee-whiz of 3075, but just pulling one or two mech bays for cargo and armor tonnage, the other four bays for guns, fire control, crew, and ammo.

[jimdigris]

What were / are their primary products?

Nothing notable in terms of military production.  But the added GNP can allow for more military purchases elsewhere.

[ArkRoyalRavager]

If not for the thread title's third line, i wouldve had thought this is a place for Slaneshi Cults.

Hello Canopians.

I also notice that the CC gets Joppa, a Canopian world, in the DA map. How is it possible a Canopian world gets "annexed" by their married allies?

[RAE]

I also notice that the CC gets Joppa, a Canopian world, in the DA map. How is it possible a Canopian world gets "annexed" by their married allies?

We don't know yet. My guess, is that there will be some kind of conflict in that region of space involving Magistracy/Fronc Reaches/Taurian Concordat/Duchy of Andurien/someone else, and the Confederation will use it as a pretext to take control of Detroit and Joppa for "their own protection". It's worth noting that the CapCon also has several new colonies in the region (named after fallen Warrior House Masters), expanding its influence further rimward.

[ArkRoyalRavager]

That is a good theory too, since the Capellans also get two Taurian worlds, moving them a jump away from the Taurus itself

[Maelwys]

The Victoria War, or whatever the conflict is the Capellans have with the Davions could also involve those planets, which could explain the swap as well.

[ArkRoyalRavager]

Considering it was a private war between the Haseks and House Liao, i think the Taurians wouldn't be involved.

[RAE]

The Victoria War, or whatever the conflict is the Capellans have with the Davions could also involve those planets, which could explain the swap as well.

I really don't think it was that big. From the minuscule amount of information we have about the Victoria War, it looks like the Haseks just stabbed the Confederation in the back, while the Capellans were busy tangling with the Republic and, for some reason, the Chancellor deemed it unnecessary to waste resources prepared for the invasion into the RotS to reclaim the planet from Davions (my guess is that Shengli Arms just pulled the same thing Tao Mechworks did in 3085 and sabotaged the facility, moving their main production lines to some other site, thus rendering the planet importance to much lower level).

[ArkRoyalRavager]

Since it is also a Commonality capital, with the Capellan penchant for irredentist grievances, i doubt it was that simple a matter.

Where's the Tao Mechworks thing from? TRO 3085?

[RAE]

Since it is also a Commonality capital, with the Capellan penchant for irredentist grievances, i doubt it was that simple a matter.

I guess so, but consider this: we know, that the CapCon constantly fought with the Republic over the Liao Commonality worlds in the years before and after the Victoria War, raiding, nurturing the resistance movements and terrorist cells, and staging at least one major invasion in 3110-3113, which saw the deaths of Sun-Tzu, Kai Allard-Liao and Burton Davion. So, the Capellans had the resources to wage a prolonged war if they wanted to, but for some reason the long lost Liao Commonality worlds were considered more important for the Confederation by both Sun-Tzu and Daoshen than recently captured Victoria.

Where's the Tao Mechworks thing from? TRO 3085?

Yep, Crusader entry.

[ArcaneRaven]

The same question can be asked about Detroit and its Mech factories. It switched flags in the AoD from Canopian to Capellan. As I speculated in another thread, the Confederation maybe annexed it without further ado due to the loss of Victoria and its Mech production sites. Quasi a kind of compensatory as long as Victoria is under Davion oppression.

[ArkRoyalRavager]

I think the Confederation did not wish to fight two enemies on two fronts, so they let the loss of Victoria lie.

On the other hand, PrudentPanda, if that were so, it would be a move worthy of Sun-Tzu Liao's cunning and an interesting twist to the plot.

[Top Sergeant]

I also notice that the CC gets Joppa, a Canopian world, in the DA map. How is it possible a Canopian world gets "annexed" by their married allies?

Wedding present.  }:)

[vaderi]

Wedding present.  }:)

Considering CC's history with wedding presents don't you think that's a little small  ;D

[jimdigris]

The same question can be asked about Detroit and its Mech factories. It switched flags in the AoD from Canopian to Capellan. As I speculated in another thread, the Confederation maybe annexed it without further ado due to the loss of Victoria and its Mech production sites. Quasi a kind of compensatory as long as Victoria is under Davion oppression.

But why should the MoC have to give up its worlds just because the Cappies lost theirs?  If the factories were moved, that would be one thing...

[Moonsword]

But why should the MoC have to give up its worlds just because the Cappies lost theirs?  If the factories were moved, that would be one thing...

Because the Capellans needed to offset the loss of Victoria and likely seized upon an expedient means to do so.  "Fair" is a concept that has little to do with international politics.  Nations don't have friends, they have allies, and alliances are as much (and generally more) creatures of convenience and mutual interest as they are affection.

[Kit deSummersville]

I'm sure the press releases were a bit different than "Detroit is getting handed over to the Capellans."

[ArkRoyalRavager]

Wedding present.  }:)

"Husband, in honor of our marriage, in addition to this morsel i give you a vast prize. My dear Sun-Tzu, i give you Detroit and Joppa!"

[jimdigris]

Because the Capellans needed to offset the loss of Victoria and likely seized upon an expedient means to do so.  "Fair" is a concept that has little to do with international politics.  Nations don't have friends, they have allies, and alliances are as much (and generally more) creatures of convenience and mutual interest as they are affection.

If that was the excuse used, Naomi would have been impeached.

[Moonsword]

I didn't say it was the excuse used.  I said it was probably the logic behind the Capellan actions.  We don't have the full context around it yet.

[jimdigris]

Well, there better be a good explanation, otherwise governments will fall.

[HuronWarrior]

If that was the excuse used, Naomi would have been impeached.

What would be a good excuse?

[Moonsword]

What would be a good excuse?

I'm not sure there's a good one for your aggressive neighbor suddenly taking over a factory world on your border that a fair amount of your military output was coming from.

[Top Sergeant]

I think the main reason is that Dark Age screwed up again.

Now TPTB have the unenviable task of fixing up the mess.

Perhaps the planet was traded for a set period of time, in trade for a few battalions of top of the line Battlemechs?

[jimdigris]

I wonder if TPTB will just say that the map  is in error.  Majistracy is spelled wrong.