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[jimdigris]

Since the fluff said that the Concordat was the backbone of the fleet in 2575, I'd say that they were probably about 6.
The nature of the Athena could have a big effect on it's numbers.  The Majistracy was only 40 years old at the outbreak of war, so they may not have had time to build shipyards capable of producing warships.  The Hegemony sold stripped-down Dart hulls to the Periphery states.  It's possible that the Majistracy gave these Darts new weapons, beefed up the armor, and called it a new ship class.  If that's the case, there could be more of them than if they had to build them from scratch.

[Maelwys]

Since the fluff said that the Concordat was the backbone of the fleet in 2575, I'd say that they were probably about 6.

Good a number as any.

The nature of the Athena could have a big effect on it's numbers.  The Majistracy was only 40 years old at the outbreak of war, so they may not have had time to build shipyards capable of producing warships.  The Hegemony sold stripped-down Dart hulls to the Periphery states.  It's possible that the Majistracy gave these Darts new weapons, beefed up the armor, and called it a new ship class.  If that's the case, there could be more of them than if they had to build them from scratch.

I dunno. Production back then was alot quicker back then it seems. I suppose it could've been an refit which is an interesting idea, I'm just not sure if that would've warranted an entry in StratOps.

Of course, that raises some interesting points. What did happen with the Darts? Were they returned to "factory settings?" Were they experimented on? Refitted with whatever they had? That could be rather interesting....

[jimdigris]

I'd love to know who to beg to get some details. :(

[Kit deSummersville]

Herb just posted a rather Canopian picture from the AtoW companion on his facebook page. It is rather interesting....

[Maelwys]

I'd love to know who to beg to get some details. :(

Dunno if we're going to get any. Last Battlechat I went to I asked about future Reunification War products or a Reunification War Supplemental and was told to no to both so..looks like that ship has sailed.

[Weirdo]

Reunification War has sailed. The Year of the Star League is still ongoing. Until Herb explicitly says that no more products will EVER be made describing the pre-Succession Wars universe, I'll continue to be patient.

[Orin J.]

Herb just posted a rather Canopian picture from the AtoW companion on his facebook page. It is rather interesting....

i didn't know facebook allowed that sort of thing.  >:D

[jimdigris]

Herb just posted a rather Canopian picture from the AtoW companion on his facebook page. It is rather interesting....

Do you have a link?

[Kit deSummersville]

Nope.

[Maelwys]

Reunification War has sailed. The Year of the Star League is still ongoing. Until Herb explicitly says that no more products will EVER be made describing the pre-Succession Wars universe, I'll continue to be patient.

Of course there's hope for seeing its stats somewhere in a product at some point. jimdigris was asking about details, and I simply responded with what I knew, that when I asked about further Reunification War products, I was told there were none planned.

Obviously there's some hope at some point, but there's nothing public on the burner, that's all I was saying.

[Crimson_Langur_1970]

Hi! New here, but I have always loved the MoC!  In the latest era, 3085, I guess, would they be able to field a nice mix of BattleMechs in their units? 

I mean latest tech stuff, re-conditioned Clan 'Mechs, etc.? 

And what Clan or InnerSphere power would they have the most contact with?  I think they used to have ties to the old Free Worlds League, right? 

Thanks! 

[Kit deSummersville]

Clan Tech would be really rare to come by, only one unit had a handful of Clantech back in the gravy years before the Jihad, but the top of the line units would all have modern machines while the poor 3rd Light Horse has about one modern 'Mech per lance. Most of there stuff is a mix of general periphery units, locally produced material and Capellan imports with a smattering of Free World material.

Of course with their Magistrix being married to the Chancellor, the Magistracy has the closest ties to the Capellan Confederation but has been working on an alliance with the Duchy of Andurian recently, who they also have some history with.

[Crimson_Langur_1970]

Thanks!  For some reason in  my dim memory, I thought it was Marik they were close to, but that Liao connection means they'd probably have a lot of Capellan stuff, as you say.

Guess I need to buy some Vindicators and a Cataphract or two! 

[Maelwys]

Hi! New here, but I have always loved the MoC!  In the latest era, 3085, I guess, would they be able to field a nice mix of BattleMechs in their units?

I mean latest tech stuff, re-conditioned Clan 'Mechs, etc.?

One of the nice things about the Magistracy is that they can field a little bit of everything. They've got cutting edge designs from their factories and from the Capellan factories, while at the same time still retaining Succession War era equipment that they haven't been able to phase out yet.

Clantech, not so much. Traditionally the Magistracy only has access to Clantech that they seemed to have salvaged from their part in Operation Bulldog (all of a lance, based on percentages). There is some data that the Magistracy has purchased some Clantech `Mechs post Jihad, namely the Warhammer IIC 9, but I'll admit it. I don't get it. The fluff on the Warhammer IIC 8 states that the Periphery nations aren't buying the 8 because its too expensive for them, yet we're expected to believe that they're purchasing the Warhammer IIC 9, whose price tag is almost 4 times the cost of the Warhammer IIC 8 (22 million for the 8, 83 million for the 9)?

Not only is the 9 an extra 61 million per `Mech, but it also has 7 tons of Clantech ammo that require the Magistracy to purchase from the Clan dealers. Its a bit much to take in. Not to mention the maintenance and repair fees...

If the fluff on the 9 (which I don't know if there is any actually) had said that the Magistracy had bought one or two to break down and send to their R&D units, that MIGHT be understandable. But enough to show up on the MUL? That's pretty weird. (And lets face it, the Warhammer IIC9 is hardly the best design to pick if you want to do R&D on Clantech...the ER lasers and LRMs are probably well documented by now, the Clan RACs aren't as good as the IS racks last I checked, and if the Clans can't make the XXL engine cost effective, what hope does the Magistracy have?) Right, rant over :)

And what Clan or InnerSphere power would they have the most contact with?  I think they used to have ties to the old Free Worlds League, right?

The Capellans are their closest buddies right now, what with Naomi and Sun Tzu being married and having kids. The Anduriens are worth a mention as well, but I think in 3085 its more of a wary "Lets hope they and the CapCon don't start fighting," more than a solid alliance, but they definitely have quite a bit of contact (The Anduriens saved Naomi once, and she's been there once or twice on a diplomatic mission).

The Taurians have kind of fallen by the wayside, and the Trinity Alliance from the Taurian perspective is pretty much gone.

Thanks!  For some reason in  my dim memory, I thought it was Marik they were close to, but that Liao connection means they'd probably have a lot of Capellan stuff, as you say.

Guess I need to buy some Vindicators and a Cataphract or two!

They're pretty close to parts of the FWL, they did ally with Andurien in the 3030's, and they probably have strong economic ties with the FWL since they share a mostly peaceful border, but they're definitely closer to the CapCon at this point.

[Crimson_Langur_1970]

What 'Mechs do the currently (3085) produce? 

Thanks! 

[Maelwys]

Its hard to say exactly. the Objectives series that's supposed to handle post-Jihad production hasn't made it to the Periphery edition yet.

Pre-Jihad, the Magistracy produced the Wasp, Stinger, Locust, Shadow Hawk and Marauder (and most likely the Vampyr ScavengerMech, but that seems to get overlooked as an Industrial).

Detroit produced the Anubis, Ostroc, Stinger, Marshal and Wasp.

What production they have post-Jihad isn't exactly known. Flipping through the various TROs shows that they're still producing a Wasp and a Stinger, the Locust is a little unclearer, as is the Shadow Hawk and Marauder. I don't think we've seen anything about what exactly Detroit continues to produce.

New designs that we know are the Phoenix Hawk 4W (The MoC managed to capture a WoB factory, I assume they're still producing it), the Penthesilea from TRO3085 and the Deep Lord MilitiaMech from TRO Prototypes. The Ebony seems to be produced on Canopus, but there's some question as to whether its full production, or simply final assembly.

Exact variants are kind of hard to come by, hopefully we'll see the Objectives series finished up sometime soon.

[Nerroth]

According to Field Manual: 3085, the First Canopian Cuirassiers get the option of having one lance per battalion be rolled up from the Diamond Shark RAT (treating the lance as a second-line Clan force). It's not clear if the pilots are actual Clan solahma forces (perhaps on loan from the Shark/Foxes?) or Canopians, though.

It's not hard to imagine the Shark/Foxes making regular stops at Canopus IV in their pursuit of trade and whatnot.


The League (or rather, Andurien) was more of a a factor in the Magistracy in the wake of the Reunification War; while Operation ARDENT SHIELD was politically unavoidable at the time, both sides adhered to the Ares Conventions, and the "Good Neighbours" policy pursued by the Humphreys clan helped to set a more positive tone between the League (or, again, Andurien) and the MoC.

Although I suppose it's ironic that the power which the Magestrix is now literally in bed with happened to occupy Andurien itself back during the Star League era...

[Maelwys]

According to Field Manual: 3085, the First Canopian Cuirassiers get the option of having one lance per battalion be rolled up from the Diamond Shark RAT (treating the lance as a second-line Clan force). It's not clear if the pilots are actual Clan solahma forces (perhaps on loan from the Shark/Foxes?) or Canopians, though.

It's not hard to imagine the Shark/Foxes making regular stops at Canopus IV in their pursuit of trade and whatnot.

Interesting. I guess I should read those a little closer. My guess is they're Canopians rather than Diamond Sharks. Buying Clan `Mechs from the Sharks is one thing, integrating Solahma forces is quite another thing and worthy of being mentioned at some point, IMO.

I still find the Warhammer IIC 9 an odd choice, but atleast the RAT gives them a few more choices (some interesting ones as well, including Star League era designs, Capellan OmniMechs and Royals).

[False Son]

Its hard to say exactly. the Objectives series that's supposed to handle post-Jihad production hasn't made it to the Periphery edition yet.

Pre-Jihad, the Magistracy produced the Wasp, Stinger, Locust, Shadow Hawk and Marauder (and most likely the Vampyr ScavengerMech, but that seems to get overlooked as an Industrial).

Detroit produced the Anubis, Ostroc, Stinger, Marshal and Wasp.

What production they have post-Jihad isn't exactly known. Flipping through the various TROs shows that they're still producing a Wasp and a Stinger, the Locust is a little unclearer, as is the Shadow Hawk and Marauder. I don't think we've seen anything about what exactly Detroit continues to produce.

New designs that we know are the Phoenix Hawk 4W (The MoC managed to capture a WoB factory, I assume they're still producing it), the Penthesilea from TRO3085 and the Deep Lord MilitiaMech from TRO Prototypes. The Ebony seems to be produced on Canopus, but there's some question as to whether its full production, or simply final assembly.

Exact variants are kind of hard to come by, hopefully we'll see the Objectives series finished up sometime soon.

They also produce the Koschei 5MC and the Eyleuka during and after the Jihad.

[Maelwys]

Oops, completely forgot about those, thanks!

[Crimson_Langur_1970]

I have the 3085 TRO, and the Eyleuka looks like a fun design, and the mini looks pretty nice. I also like the weapons loadout on the standard version.

My friends and I plan to play some games in the 3039 ERA, but I also intend to build a parallel Canopian force for the most current era.  The discussion up-thread about MOC having access to some second-line Clan stuff really throws the doors wide open for all sorts of cool stuff. 

[Kit deSummersville]

Well, one unit within the MoC.

[Maelwys]

And only 3 lances out of an entire regiment.

Which admittedly is a 200% increase from what they had before, but its still pretty limited.

I honestly hope they don't get too much of it. The occasional `Mech is fine, but I doubt the Magistracy can really afford the maintenance and purchasing of Clantech.

And as an aside..wow. That's a heck of a distance for the Diamond Sharks to travel. I thought most of the enclaves were in the Coreward part of the Inner Sphere.

[Weirdo]

The Sharks have an entire scientist subcaste devoted to the problem of the Traveling Salesman.

[ANS Kamas P81]

I know it's brutally ugly, but the Penthesilea is also in production, both the standard and the LB20 variant.  C'mon guys, we can't forget those!

[Maelwys]

I mentioned it a couple of posts ago :)

Interestingly, in a quick game I played the other day, the lack of items that could be crit'd in the LT really screwed me over as a critical hit to the LT transferred immediately into the CT...twice :)

[Moonsword]

I mentioned it a couple of posts ago :)

Interestingly, in a quick game I played the other day, the lack of items that could be crit'd in the LT really screwed me over as a critical hit to the LT transferred immediately into the CT...twice :)

Yeah, I had a similar experience with it while playing around before writing the article on it up.  It's a very solid design overall but that flaw tends to be unpleasant when it comes up.  At least it's not the Marauder's left torso.

[Ian Sharpe]

I know it's brutally ugly, but the Penthesilea is also in production, both the standard and the LB20 variant.  C'mon guys, we can't forget those!

I didn't forget, I blocked it out.  Too fugly to be in my MAF units.

[Weirdo]

Bah. Ask a FWL player about the Yeoman, then talk about fugly. 8)

[Ian Sharpe]

Bah. Ask a FWL player about the Yeoman, then talk about fugly. 8)

How else were you going to tenderize those branth burgers?