Author Topic: Power is a goal. Pleasure is eternal. Welcome to Canopus. (Read 218014 times)

False Son · « **Reply #600 on:** 29 June 2012, 13:02:59 »

Quote from: Crimson_Langur_1970 on 28 June 2012, 10:59:51

I have the 3085 TRO, and the Eyleuka looks like a fun design, and the mini looks pretty nice. I also like the weapons loadout on the standard version.

My friends and I plan to play some games in the 3039 ERA, but I also intend to build a parallel Canopian force for the most current era. The discussion up-thread about MOC having access to some second-line Clan stuff really throws the doors wide open for all sorts of cool stuff.

The Magistry falls for small cockpits and SNPPCs. Sort of a strange combination. But then, the Eyleuka is a strange bird itself. It's hardly a line unit, but it can do a ton of tricks and move around fast, which seems to be the direction in which the MAF is moving.

Maelwys · « **Reply #601 on:** 30 June 2012, 09:20:07 »

Quote from: False Son on 29 June 2012, 13:02:59

The Magistry falls for small cockpits and SNPPCs. Sort of a strange combination. But then, the Eyleuka is a strange bird itself. It's hardly a line unit, but it can do a ton of tricks and move around fast, which seems to be the direction in which the MAF is moving.

The units we've seen in the Jihad and beyond are definitely an interesting mix. Now if we can just get a homegrown assault unit..if Randis can do it, I don't see why the MoC can't :)

False Son · « **Reply #602 on:** 30 June 2012, 16:57:03 »

That would mean MoC would need to not be light centric on mechs.

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #603 on:** 30 June 2012, 20:40:12 »

Quote from: False Son on 30 June 2012, 16:57:03

That would mean MoC would need to not be light centric on mechs.

They're not. About half the 'Mechs in the Magistracy are mediums, the rest are split between medium and light and a smattering of assaults.

Maelwys · « **Reply #604 on:** 30 June 2012, 23:20:40 »

Quote from: ANS Kamas P81 on 30 June 2012, 20:40:12

They're not. About half the 'Mechs in the Magistracy are mediums, the rest are split between medium and light and a smattering of assaults.

I'm not sure if I'd be interested in seeing the reasoning behind that or not :)

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #605 on:** 01 July 2012, 00:58:37 »

Quote from: Maelwys on 30 June 2012, 23:20:40

I'm not sure if I'd be interested in seeing the reasoning behind that or not :)

It's what they collected over time?

Maelwys · « **Reply #606 on:** 01 July 2012, 03:23:38 »

Right, I'm just wondering how you came to that conclusion. I didn't think there was any data on how heavy the MAF's regiments were, except for 3025 data.

I'm not necessarily disputing the fact (limited assaults, production of lights, mediums for so long, etc), I'm just curious where the data comes from.

False Son · « **Reply #607 on:** 01 July 2012, 12:07:22 »

Their manufacturing base.

Mediums: Marshal, Shadowhawk, Eyleuka
Lights: Locust, Stinger, Wasp, Ebony, Anubis

There's that captured Blakist factory too, but the light still outnumber the mediums.

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #608 on:** 01 July 2012, 14:37:41 »

Quote from: False Son on 01 July 2012, 12:07:22

Their manufacturing base.

Mediums: Marshal, Shadowhawk, Eyleuka
Lights: Locust, Stinger, Wasp, Ebony, Anubis

There's that captured Blakist factory too, but the light still outnumber the mediums.

Those are classes, there's no mention of how many machines are being made. If they're producing 100 Marshals, Shadowhawks, and Eyleukas a year vs only 10 of each light frame, then you have 300 mediums and 50 light mechs. This does not mean you have mostly light 'mechs.

As far as the 'Mech force, I admit to basing that on the old Periphery Sourcebook, but without further mention of force weight there really isn't any way to know one way or another. And you can always use the random weight tables...

False Son · « **Reply #609 on:** 02 July 2012, 08:48:33 »

Fine fine, are we good if I rephrase it as tending toward the lower weight classes? It's more implied than overt, from my perspective. Considering that they have two Locust, Stinger and Wasp factories that's 8 light factories right there.

Just saying, i'm not shocked they don't have an assault mech.

Alan Grant · « **Reply #610 on:** 08 July 2012, 15:07:09 »

Question for the Canopian fans.

I've been reading about the old British Regimental System, where officers purchased their commissions. Obviously this has some parallels to the MoC.

In the British Army up to a point in the 19th century, you bought your commission, at which point you effectively owned it, like an asset. Many British Army officers basically sold their commissions when they retired, often it has accrued value and they might use the funds from that to buy a pension.

I'm wondering if the same concept holds true in the MoC. You buy your commission, do you at that point own it? Is it a commodity? If you purchase a promotion from one rank to the next higher rank, do you "sell" your previous rank to recoup some of the expense?

Or are you just making a 'donation' that helps you acquire that rank, and if you want a promotion, you offer another donation. Bribery basically.

Which sounds more accurate?

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #611 on:** 08 July 2012, 16:07:58 »

FMP at one point refers to it as a "tribute" and FM3085 has an officer who receives "the ruby Canopus Cluster without having to pay the 'donation,'" but that's a medal not a rank.

jimdigris · « **Reply #612 on:** 08 July 2012, 18:47:37 »

I've not heard anything about anyone being able to sell their rank.

False Son · « **Reply #613 on:** 09 July 2012, 08:16:38 »

Quote from: Alan Grant on 08 July 2012, 15:07:09

Question for the Canopian fans.

I've been reading about the old British Regimental System, where officers purchased their commissions. Obviously this has some parallels to the MoC.

In the British Army up to a point in the 19th century, you bought your commission, at which point you effectively owned it, like an asset. Many British Army officers basically sold their commissions when they retired, often it has accrued value and they might use the funds from that to buy a pension.

I'm wondering if the same concept holds true in the MoC. You buy your commission, do you at that point own it? Is it a commodity? If you purchase a promotion from one rank to the next higher rank, do you "sell" your previous rank to recoup some of the expense?

Or are you just making a 'donation' that helps you acquire that rank, and if you want a promotion, you offer another donation. Bribery basically.

Which sounds more accurate?

It's an odd practice, that's for sure. When Doru came over from the TDF Emma broke out her check book and was like "Okay, this is gonna be expesive." This kinda indicates to me that it isn't outright bribery if the head of the nation has to do it to make a "contractor" legit.

Nerroth · « **Reply #614 on:** 10 July 2012, 14:23:06 »

I think Emma only had to worry about negotiating his stipend as Senior General; Danai had already forwarded enough for a colonel's commission to an account for him on Canopus IV prior to her death on the Clan front.

Maelwys · « **Reply #615 on:** 20 July 2012, 08:37:19 »

So what's everyone's thoughts on the data that's been coming out of Liberation of Terra Vol 1 and FM:SLDF on the situation in the Magistracy and the data on the various units?

Stormcrow · « **Reply #616 on:** 20 July 2012, 08:58:27 »

Quote from: Maelwys on 20 July 2012, 08:37:19

So what's everyone's thoughts on the data that's been coming out of Liberation of Terra Vol 1 and FM:SLDF on the situation in the Magistracy and the data on the various units?

Emma died on Canopus fighting the Blakist trash that invaded her planet. It was Danai that died fighting alongside Victor in the Great Refusal

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #617 on:** 20 July 2012, 13:34:33 »

Quote from: Maelwys on 20 July 2012, 08:37:19

So what's everyone's thoughts on the data that's been coming out of Liberation of Terra Vol 1 and FM:SLDF on the situation in the Magistracy and the data on the various units?

The three troopers in the 108th who got kicked out for uniform violation had me rolling.

Maelwys · « **Reply #618 on:** 20 July 2012, 20:45:41 »

Yeah, that was a rather interesting case. Some of the information written down for units that we know are going to go rogue from the Star League Sourcebook is quite illuminating. Some of the readiness reports also explain how the Magistracy managed to destroy 5 out of 6 BattleMech divisions during the uprising.

A little disappointed that we didn't get more details, but it doesn't seem to be the type of book for that. There are a few hints of interesting things, but nothing really concrete.

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #619 on:** 22 August 2012, 13:56:30 »

OooOOOooooh, I want to thank the MUL fairies for the pretty presents they left us. HPPC-equipped Brutus tanks and RVN-3Ms!

Maelwys · « **Reply #620 on:** 23 August 2012, 00:22:30 »

Heh. The Raven 3M is still marked as Clantech.

I wish there was a way to track the MUL data, rather than just occasionally doing a search, and comparing it to the old version.

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #621 on:** 23 August 2012, 02:38:58 »

I usually do a search when I hear of updates; I've got a spreadsheet of what's in the list the last time I looked. And other things that we get according to the fluff that aren't in the MUL yet is the GRF-5L Griffin, CRD-8L Crusader, WHM-5L Warhammer, DOL-1A1 Dola, and...the mighty Deep Lord. Well, five of six isn't bad, and I'm sure we can figure out something to do with those Crusaders...

Maelwys · « **Reply #622 on:** 23 August 2012, 12:45:29 »

Alot of the BA data from FM:3085 is missing as well.

Ian Sharpe · « **Reply #623 on:** 26 December 2012, 17:10:04 »

Any Canopian info in Interstellar Expeditions? Not details, but is it worth buying for a Canopian fan?

Maelwys · « **Reply #624 on:** 26 December 2012, 19:07:25 »

I don't know if it makes the entire book worth purchasing, but there's a section called the "Canopian Ruins." It details some of the planets that the Magistracy lost after the Fall of the Star League (like Kleinwelt and Skyfog), and one or two planets that are nearby, and one or two planets that had some Star League era hijinx going on.

There's nothing really Canopus shattering however. Even the GM section is just "Here are some questions that might make good plot points" rather than something like "This is what's going on here."

There's also details on a planet that IE is studying that's basically primitive humans, and another group of systems settled during the Reunification War by Taurians and Canopians that seems to flipflop between a Matriarchy and Patriarchy after each revolution

False Son · « **Reply #625 on:** 27 December 2012, 09:06:56 »

Don't forget the merfolk!

Kit deSummersville · « **Reply #626 on:** 27 December 2012, 13:27:41 »

Oh look, Objectives Periphery is out.

Youngblood · « **Reply #627 on:** 27 December 2012, 15:42:08 »

Quote from: Kit deSummersville on 27 December 2012, 13:27:41

Oh look, Objectives Periphery is out.

Yay, I was going to buy it as a Christmas present for someone and then Christmas happened and it wasn't there and I cried.

Rainbow 6 · « **Reply #628 on:** 27 December 2012, 17:00:22 »

Quote from: Kit deSummersville on 27 December 2012, 13:27:41

Oh look, Objectives Periphery is out.

Good read it is to.

Maelwys · « **Reply #629 on:** 27 December 2012, 21:33:49 »

I assume that the operating capacity of the various Novis AT-H factories should be 100% instead of 0%.

I also find it interesting that, despite the MoC never needing to produce Primitive `Mechs, they're producing quite a few. Hopefully there's quite a bit of exporting going on, and maybe we'll see those factories converted to standard `Mechs

No news on the Dictators though.