Battle Angel Alita Trailer posted

[ThePW]

Mars Chronicles is a mix of prequel and continuation, now it very prequel heavy but I think that a switch is coming.
Personally I hope to see where she gets the gun-creature.

Gun Creature? as opposed to the 'penis warrior' introduced in the latter part of Last Order during the Ladder battles/tournoment?  :))

[Luciora]

This?  https://battleangel.fandom.com/wiki/Danko

Mars Chronicles is a mix of prequel and continuation, now it very prequel heavy but I think that a switch is coming.
Personally I hope to see where she gets the gun-creature.

[Maingunnery]

This?  https://battleangel.fandom.com/wiki/Danko

Indeed.

[Maingunnery]

A little warning for everyone, I have heard rumors that many cinema's will stop showing BAA after the 6th of March.
If you want to go, then please check your local schedule.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Rumors?  That's dubious.

[Maingunnery]

Rumors?  That's dubious.

Maybe, but my local schedule also shows nothing after the 6th, so checking out your the local schedule would be a good thing.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

My local schedule never shows anything more than a week in advance.

[gyedid]

Actually, it was very much like the anime version (of course, it has been over a decade since I last watched it, so I might be forgetting something...might be time to break out the DVD)...there is much more in the manga version though; background and future stories.,.

Ruger

I saw it this past weekend with my daughter.  I agree that it's essentially a super-sized, turbo-charged version of the OVA.
(Interestingly, they gave Nova the appearance of Ido from the cartoon.)

I will have to agree with the critics on one aspect.  When even your ten-year-old daughter thought that most of the interpersonal scenes between Alita and Hugo were cringe-worthy, you know that's one part they didn't get right.  But you don't go to this kind of movie expecting that.

I've become invested enough in the story and world that I'm hoping for a sequel...but the way James Cameron does things, that could be a decade away, at which point Rosa Salazar may no longer be able to handle the physical side of the role (I was surprised at how old she is, actually...).  And which way will they go?  There's plenty left to work with from the original BAA manga, but having done so much to set up Nova as the puppet-master villain, will they next try for adapting _Last Order_? (too sprawling and too incoherent a plot, IMO).
Going that way would be a bit difficult since it's already been established that Chiren still had a biological brain (YECK!), so the whole "secret of Zalem/Tiphares" wouldn't seem to work.

cheers,

Gabe

[gyedid]

This?  https://battleangel.fandom.com/wiki/Danko

No, this!



 :D ;D

cheers,

Gabe

EDIT:  damn image link doesn't work...

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

I will have to agree with the critics on one aspect.  When even your ten-year-old daughter thought that most of the interpersonal scenes between Alita and Hugo were cringe-worthy, you know that's one part they didn't get right.  But you don't go to this kind of movie expecting that.

Well, on the one hand I thought the cringe factor made sense given how immature and naive they both were*.  On the other hand, it was super cringe-worthy.

*Alita walking into the bounty-hunter bar and expecting that an impassioned speech about how they're all brothers and sisters will somehow convince them all to rally to her cause despite the fact that she's been a hunter for less than an hour at that point comes to mind.

[Luciora]

I thought they were great examples of her innocence.  Ido really didn't seem to drill into her the whole bit about just how seedy the business could be.  And he was the only one she's seen in action to that point.   

Well, on the one hand I thought the cringe factor made sense given how immature and naive they both were*.  On the other hand, it was super cringe-worthy.

*Alita walking into the bounty-hunter bar and expecting that an impassioned speech about how they're all brothers and sisters will somehow convince them all to rally to her cause despite the fact that she's been a hunter for less than an hour at that point comes to mind.

[ANS Kamas P81]

*Alita walking into the bounty-hunter bar and expecting that an impassioned speech about how they're all brothers and sisters will somehow convince them all to rally to her cause despite the fact that she's been a hunter for less than an hour at that point comes to mind.

That was one point that stuck out to me too, but less about the innocence and more about how not-quite-a-threat Grew was at that point.  If they'd added maybe 30 seconds of footage, discovering a few more victims and maybe even Alita's name written in blood or something, it'd make him much more of a threat and give her words more weight - and more impact when the bar turns her down because there's no bounty.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

That would also have been good.

[Maingunnery]

Maybe in an extended edition (hoping for very much).

[DarkSpade]

Best part of that whole scene was how the fight ended.  ;D

[gyedid]

*Alita walking into the bounty-hunter bar and expecting that an impassioned speech about how they're all brothers and sisters will somehow convince them all to rally to her cause despite the fact that she's been a hunter for less than an hour at that point comes to mind.

I wonder how many takes were needed for Rosa Salazar to recite those lines without cracking up.

cheers,

Gabe

[gyedid]

No, this!



 :D ;D

cheers,

Gabe

EDIT:  damn image link doesn't work...

OK, the image is small enough to fit as an attachment...

The guitar looks like a gun...if you squint hard enough...

cheers,

Gabe

[gyedid]

That was one point that stuck out to me too, but less about the innocence and more about how not-quite-a-threat Grew was at that point.  If they'd added maybe 30 seconds of footage, discovering a few more victims and maybe even Alita's name written in blood or something, it'd make him much more of a threat and give her words more weight - and more impact when the bar turns her down because there's no bounty.

In the OVA, it was Ido, not Alita, who tried to get the other hunters to unite to take down Grew.  The response was much the same, for the same reasons.  Also, I think most of them were afraid to try and take him on.  Alita knows she can hurt him so she doesn't have this fear.

Cheers, Gabe

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

In the manga it was definitely because they were afraid of him rather than there being a lack of a bounty.

[Robroy]

Just saw it. I liked it. As far as the bar scene I put it down to ether Alita being a different kind of person, or things different 300 years ago. Or both.

[Wrangler]

Alita was good and self contain story.

[gyedid]

Maybe, but my local schedule also shows nothing after the 6th, so checking out your the local schedule would be a good thing.

Even though I'm not actually there, I checked the online local listings for Montreal.  Alita is still playing at around half a dozen theatres as of March 10, so these rumors are bunk, at least in Quebec.

Cheers, Gabe

[gyedid]

According to IMDB, _Alita_ has now grossed over 390 million worldwide, against a production budget of 170 million.  It's not clear whether this is enough to break even though.
Significantly, less than a third of this total comes from the North American market.

Is Yukito Kishiro actually getting any kind of cut?  This is his creation, after all.

Cheers, Gabe

[Maingunnery]

According to IMDB, _Alita_ has now grossed over 390 million worldwide, against a production budget of 170 million.  It's not clear whether this is enough to break even though.
Significantly, less than a third of this total comes from the North American market.

I have heard that 350 mill, was the breakeven point.
Which does seem to conform to the general rule of 2x budget, and I don't think that Fox spend that much on marketing.
Also with the high audience score, I think that it will also do very well in home media (Blueray etc).

Is Yukito Kishiro actually getting any kind of cut?  This is his creation, after all.

Not from the movie I think, but the translated manga is selling very well now and he likely gets a cut of that (i hope).

[gyedid]

I have heard that 350 mill, was the breakeven point.
Which does seem to conform to the general rule of 2x budget, and I don't think that Fox spend that much on marketing.
Also with the high audience score, I think that it will also do very well in home media (Blueray etc).

Well, Cameron and Rodriguez are already talking sequel.  But the fact that significantly less than half the gross came from North America may well make the studio averse to green-lighting one, even if it actually turns a profit.

The point is, the movie didn't bomb as was expected.

cheers,

Gabe

[DarkSpade]

I read an interesting article not too long ago about why the movie didn't do better.  Wish I'd saved the link.  Apparently it didn't get a big advertising blitz for two reasons. First off, there was the in progress Disney acquisition.  The people working for Fox thought the Disney side would be taking care of it, while the Disney side though Fox would be finishing what they started.  Second, they weren't sure who to advertise to.  On one hand there was all the sci-fi action that they normally push on older males, but on the other hand, there was a teenage[ish] love story they normally push on teen girls.  I guess the movie industry still hasn't grasped the fact that more than one specific demographic can enjoy a movie.

[Orin J.]

I guess the movie industry still hasn't grasped the fact that more than one specific demographic can enjoy a movie.

they grasp it just fine. they just insist on tossing it every time it's brought up because producers "know the audience better".

i guess the alternative is to trust that a good story holds up, and these are the same people that thought a raunchy comedy show about a hot dog was a good idea so i can see why they don't do that.

[gyedid]

I read an interesting article not too long ago about why the movie didn't do better.  Wish I'd saved the link.  Apparently it didn't get a big advertising blitz for two reasons. First off, there was the in progress Disney acquisition.  The people working for Fox thought the Disney side would be taking care of it, while the Disney side though Fox would be finishing what they started.  Second, they weren't sure who to advertise to.  On one hand there was all the sci-fi action that they normally push on older males, but on the other hand, there was a teenage[ish] love story they normally push on teen girls. 

The thing is, the critics who saw the movie just prior to its release picked up on that also.  And as I pointed out earlier, the love story bits don't go down well even with pre-teen girls.  Even the artist for _Schlock Mercenary_ seems to have that same general complaint--_Alita_ doesn't seem sure what kind of movie it wants to be.  To be fair though, the manga had all those angles too.

I guess the movie industry still hasn't grasped the fact that more than one specific demographic can enjoy a movie.

I would add the critics to that as well.  However, if the movie has successfully tapped into multiple demographics, it seems that it's done so in foreign markets more than North America.

cheers,

Gabe

[Luciora]

https://comicbook.com/anime/2019/02/18/alita-battle-angel-adaptation-greatest-movie-in-the-world-yukito-kishiro-comments/

[gyedid]

https://comicbook.com/anime/2019/02/18/alita-battle-angel-adaptation-greatest-movie-in-the-world-yukito-kishiro-comments/

um...does he get out much?

cheers,

Gabe