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Water Slide Decals
« on: 04 August 2020, 13:28:24 »
I've got some decals I just received from Fighting Piranha Graphics and they are the first decals I've ever used.

I watched some videos online, including Camo Specs instructions.

Maybe I'm missing something.

Can I just used distilled water to put these on, or do I need some fancy chemicals to use them?

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Re: Water Slide Decals
« Reply #1 on: 04 August 2020, 14:16:09 »
Fancy chemicals make them work better, but if your mini has flat panels to put them on, straight water should be fine. My procedure for decals is as follows:

Coat the mini with a layer of clear gloss spray paint, or at least brush on a patch of clear gloss paint where you plan to place your decals. You really want the gloss, because it provides a smooth surface for the decal to stick to. A matte or bare paint surface is rougher, so you can end up with tiny bubbles trapped under the decal, giving the transparent bits a silvery look when they should be invisible.

Cut the decal out of the sheet (as close as you can to the edges of the image without actually damaging it) and dip it in a shallow dish of water.

Wait 10-30 seconds, or long enough that you can push the decal off the backing paper using a paint brush and almost no pressure. Using said brush, slide the decal off the paper and lift it out of the water on the bristles of your brush.

Place the decal on the mini, roughly where you want it to end up. Dab away most of the water using a bit of paper towel, then use a second brush (the kind that's gotten too stiff from use to be much good for actual painting) to push it into the exact location you want.

If your decal was placed on a smooth panel, then at this point you can let it dry. If it is sitting on any lines, crevices, or other details, dab a drop of decal solvent onto it. This will soften the decal so that it will 'flow' into the crevices when it dries, though for large gaps you may need to push it in with your brush. Be very careful, as softening the decal makes it very easy to tear it.

Once all of this is done, you can let everything dry, seal the mini with matte clear spray, and call the mini finished. :thumbsup:
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Re: Water Slide Decals
« Reply #2 on: 04 August 2020, 15:14:00 »
  Hard core modelers would use products like Micro Set and Micro Sol to soften decals so they would conform to any physical details. When I was a hard core aircraft modeler I would never use decals -I would make tiny stencils and use a professional-quality Paasche AB double-action turbine airbrush and paint insignia and markings onto my models.
When I was lazy, I would print out my own sheets of custom decals.

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Re: Water Slide Decals
« Reply #3 on: 04 August 2020, 16:28:53 »
Dare I ask what the difference is between Micro Set and Micro Sol?

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« Reply #4 on: 04 August 2020, 16:43:15 »
Micro Sol is the solvent I mentioned earlier, it's used to make the decals deal better with surface details. It's also good for decals placed on curved surfaces - without it, the decal may wrinkle as it tries to conform to a convex surface.

I've never used Micro Set, but as I understand, it's almost like a glue - you apply it to the mini before you place the decal, and it holds it in place instead of letting the decal shift around according to the whims of surface tension until you wick up the excess water. I've never used it, instead using a combination of stubbornness and profanity to just keep moving the decal back to where it's supposed to be until it finally gets the hint.
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Re: Water Slide Decals
« Reply #5 on: 04 August 2020, 16:48:44 »
1/285 scale Tiger with decals -So look for Micro Armor decals if you want stuff like numbers, etc.



https://www.ghqmodels.com/store/micro-armour-decals.html
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Re: Water Slide Decals
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Re: Water Slide Decals
« Reply #7 on: 05 August 2020, 20:53:55 »
I use both Micro Set and Micro Sol.  I also apply the decals before I seal them.  I don't know if that is wrong or right, but it has worked for me so far.

As said above, Micro Set helps the decal adhere to the surface, and softens the decal a little.  After I get the decal in position, and give a few seconds for it to sit with the Micro Set, I will gently press it into position with a Q-Tip.  This both firmly places the decal, and soaks up any residual water and Micro Set.

After that, I'll come back after about 15 minutes and hit the decals with Micro Sol.  I use a soft paint brush and brush it over all the decals.  Like my first step, I let set for a few seconds, and then press the Q-Tip into them again.  I've found this step very useful for contoured and grooved sections on minis.

Placing decals is my last step on minis, so after that they get hit with the matte acrylic spay.  No issues to this day, so far.  :)
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Re: Water Slide Decals
« Reply #8 on: 05 August 2020, 21:18:22 »
I confess I cheat.

1) Cut the decal out as close to the art as possible
2) Stick the little bit of decal paper on the end of a paintbrush with blutak, decal side up
3) Dip into hot water - 5 seconds or so
4) Maneuver the decal to where I want it to go
5) Use another paintbrush to slide the edge of the decal onto the mini, and hold it in place while I remove the first paintbrush smoothly.

Works for me. I don't always pre-varnish the spot the decal's going on - hot water seems to work well enough to make the decal adhere - but do try to put a dab of varnish on later to protect/hold it in place.
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Re: Water Slide Decals
« Reply #9 on: 06 August 2020, 08:56:29 »
I cut the decal in a rough square.

Dip in Water
Slide Decal off with Tweezers
Place where needed
Slide about with wet brush/tweezers/needle etc
Let Dry and set with DECAL SOLVENT

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Re: Water Slide Decals
« Reply #10 on: 06 August 2020, 11:25:43 »
Alright. 

Just finished the basing for both lances, so I'm ready to decal.  Have distilled water around the house.  Apparently I need to purchase some clearcoat and Microset and I'll be ready to give it a go.  Thanks for the input everyone!

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Re: Water Slide Decals
« Reply #11 on: 06 August 2020, 12:54:45 »
Oh...and I use TAP water....
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« Reply #12 on: 06 August 2020, 13:13:24 »
Ditto. There might be some areas where the municipal water might not be good enough for this, but that would have to be some pretty bad stuff - the total amount of water that's going to actually hit your mini is TINY, even above-average levels of contaminants aren't going to hurt anything. So long as you don't live on the set of Ghostbusters II, you should be fine.
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Re: Water Slide Decals
« Reply #13 on: 06 August 2020, 15:02:37 »
So I know I'm like a broken record of questions:

is it ok if I decal up 5 or so minis with just water this week, and apply the decal solvent in a week when it comes in via Amazon?  Or does it need to be decals-30 minute wait time-then solvent?

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« Reply #14 on: 06 August 2020, 15:20:08 »
Ideally ASAP, but it will still work as long as the decals are left untreated with lacquer and kept in a reasonable dry place.

So I know I'm like a broken record of questions:

is it ok if I decal up 5 or so minis with just water this week, and apply the decal solvent in a week when it comes in via Amazon?  Or does it need to be decals-30 minute wait time-then solvent?

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Re: Water Slide Decals
« Reply #15 on: 06 August 2020, 16:30:59 »
So I know I'm like a broken record of questions:

is it ok if I decal up 5 or so minis with just water this week, and apply the decal solvent in a week when it comes in via Amazon?  Or does it need to be decals-30 minute wait time-then solvent?

Cheers,

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As others said, yeah.

I'll do a big batch, and then in a day or so, apply the solvent.

And don;t use the built in brush on the solvent, but an older paintbrush. The solvent bristles are thick plastic.
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Re: Water Slide Decals
« Reply #16 on: 09 August 2020, 15:45:31 »
Ok, solvent gets here tomorrow, and I just decal-ed up my Sword of Light Lance.  After I put a small amount of solvent on each decal, I need to seal them, right?

I’ve heard you gents say seal, clear coat, and maybe one other term.  What is an effective product for this?  Is it a spray on product like primer I can get at the hardware store?  Recommendations?

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« Reply #17 on: 09 August 2020, 16:15:59 »
Spray, like Krylon.

But if you want to be extra seal-y on the Decal I paint over after the whole thing with a little bit of Future Floor Wax.
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Re: Water Slide Decals
« Reply #18 on: 09 August 2020, 16:20:31 »
Spray, like Krylon.

But if you want to be extra seal-y on the Decal I paint over after the whole thing with a little bit of Future Floor Wax.

Mind using a name for the Krylon spray so I know what I'm looking for?  I know I'm being super literal here, just don't want to buy the wrong product.

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« Reply #19 on: 09 August 2020, 16:30:04 »
Mind using a name for the Krylon spray so I know what I'm looking for?  I know I'm being super literal here, just don't want to buy the wrong product.

  Krylon is a US brand and they have a huge variety of inexpensive spray paints. I'm not so sure about overseas, though.

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« Reply #20 on: 09 August 2020, 16:37:18 »
Krylon ColorMAXX Gloss Crystal Clear before the decals, Krylon ColorMAXX Flat Crystal Clear for the final coat.

Note:  For the Flat coat, read the instructions on the can and follow them RELIGIOUSLY. Flat clear sprays have absolutely no tolerance for temperatures or humidity levels outside their listed range, and WILL ruin your paint job if you stray out of it.
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« Reply #21 on: 09 August 2020, 17:57:16 »
Note:  For the Flat coat, read the instructions on the can and follow them RELIGIOUSLY. Flat clear sprays have absolutely no tolerance for temperatures or humidity levels outside their listed range, and WILL ruin your paint job if you stray out of it.
I totally second this.  I made the mistake once of working outside the humidity range.  It didn't go well.  :'(
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« Reply #22 on: 09 August 2020, 18:31:21 »
Hardware store had Krylon Fusion Flat Clear Sealer.  I assume this is the older version of what you suggested so I picked up a can for $5.49.

When I apply it, do you spray it the same way you do primer; and just pass over the model a few times?

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« Reply #23 on: 09 August 2020, 19:11:31 »
Yes, light coats are a must.  I haven't done the gloss coat step before that Weirdo recommended.  I usually do two coats of the flat and call it a day.  Sounds like the gloss coat is a bit more durable though.
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Re: Water Slide Decals
« Reply #24 on: 11 August 2020, 11:11:06 »
Well, a couple successes and a failure.

First, here is a Lyran Guards Griffin and Sword of Light Wolverine:


The Griffin is freshly decaled this morning before work, still needs the solvent.  The Wolverine has had one application of Microset.  Not sure if it needs more, or if it is fine as is. 

The casualty was of course the mech that the decals looked great on, and then I pressed too hard with a q-tip and damaged the decal on this Sword of Light Shadow Hawk:


So if the damage looked more like weathering, I think I'd leave it.  but this just looks like a mech with a torn decal.  Any suggestions how to fix it?  Just apply a ton of MicroSet and then scrub with a q-tip?  Then apply another decal?

Cheers to you all for the help, it has been a process of learning over here!


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« Reply #25 on: 11 August 2020, 11:22:26 »
Depends how picky you want to be.

And I don;t mean that as a put down, but as an honest question. Are these for display only or for play? I have lots of models where the decal did not go on as nicely as I wished, and have not fixed a single one, as ultimately with handling there will be wear and tear, and short of someone picking said miniature up and looking with a magnifying glass, most players will not notice, nor care.
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Re: Water Slide Decals
« Reply #26 on: 11 August 2020, 11:23:53 »
Why not silver and black for damage scoring?

I'd probably replace it with another decal though.

Well, a couple successes and a failure.

First, here is a Lyran Guards Griffin and Sword of Light Wolverine:


The Griffin is freshly decaled this morning before work, still needs the solvent.  The Wolverine has had one application of Microset.  Not sure if it needs more, or if it is fine as is. 

The casualty was of course the mech that the decals looked great on, and then I pressed too hard with a q-tip and damaged the decal on this Sword of Light Shadow Hawk:


So if the damage looked more like weathering, I think I'd leave it.  but this just looks like a mech with a torn decal.  Any suggestions how to fix it?  Just apply a ton of MicroSet and then scrub with a q-tip?  Then apply another decal?

Cheers to you all for the help, it has been a process of learning over here!

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Re: Water Slide Decals
« Reply #27 on: 13 August 2020, 10:43:40 »
So the weather limitations on my sealant is pretty tricky for my region:  55-75 degrees F and less than 60% humidity. 

The thing is, by the time humidity drops below 60%, it is around noon and the temperature is 80 degrees climbing towards 95 in the late afternoon.  In the evening by the time it hits 75 it is also almost 60% humidity.  I hear that humidity causes the most problems with sealer.  Would it be ok to spray in the shade at 85 degrees and 40% humidity?  Thoughts?

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« Reply #28 on: 13 August 2020, 11:18:02 »
So the weather limitations on my sealant is pretty tricky for my region:  55-75 degrees F and less than 60% humidity. 

The thing is, by the time humidity drops below 60%, it is around noon and the temperature is 80 degrees climbing towards 95 in the late afternoon.  In the evening by the time it hits 75 it is also almost 60% humidity.  I hear that humidity causes the most problems with sealer.  Would it be ok to spray in the shade at 85 degrees and 40% humidity?  Thoughts?

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« Reply #29 on: 13 August 2020, 13:17:34 »
I live in Texas, I feel your pain. 85 should be okay(I've certainly sealed in far higher), in my experience the humidity is the one you absolutely cannot budge on.

My advice would be to test it out on a mini you don't mind stripping afterwards. If it works, rock on. If it doesn't, then NK is right, your best bet is a room that can be closed off with a fan, spray in a box, then let the room air out for a few hours. That's how I had to gloss coat my Daishi this morning.
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