What movies/tv are we watching part XXX, Back into the fray!

[Porshadoxus]

Just rewatched 1999's Payback, with Mel Gibson.

[elf25s]

First trailer for Transformers: One has been released.

And I don't believe there has ever been a previous depiction of Transformers where the ability to transform wasn't innate.

the g1 cartoon showed transformers not being able to transform until autobot decepticon war that just evolved as war progressed
then decepticons gained power of flight
there was a story on that when optimus prime to be thought that decepticons were cool for being able to fly
it had been 40 years since i saw that episode it involved time travel on cybetron by autobots

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

the g1 cartoon showed transformers not being able to transform until autobot decepticon war that just evolved as war progressed
then decepticons gained power of flight
there was a story on that when optimus prime to be thought that decepticons were cool for being able to fly
it had been 40 years since i saw that episode it involved time travel on cybetron by autobots

That episode also contradicted other parts of the cartoon series, which established that the Transformers were built with the ability to transform when the Quintessons first made them.

The G1 cartoon had issues with keeping things consistent.

[Prospernia]

Quintessons?  That reminds me: back in the day, I had a comic that had each transformer featured, like a technical-manual, so I made them out for Battletech using LAM-rules.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Quintessons were the floating egg-shaped robots with five faces.  In the G1 cartoon continuity, they were the original creators of the Transformers as slave labor until the Transformers rebelled.

[Jal Phoenix]

I believe that transforming was evolved during the war to help with spying and general hiding. Robots in disguise, after all.  I thought that was in the comics, too, but I could be misremembering where I read it.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

No, that was Challenge of the Go-Bots were they developed the ability to transform as part of the war.  Though I haven't seen every episode of Transformers G1, they could have put it into an episode that I didn't see.  There were at least two mutually exclusive origins for both the Dinobots and Constructions in the cartoon, after all.  But like I said, the standard explanation was that they were built as a slave race by the Quintessons with the ability to transform as part of their roles: Autobots, built for domestic labor and construction, turned mostly into cars and trucks, while Decepticons, built primarily for combat, mostly turned into jets and other war machines.

In the comics, Transformers had "evolved from naturally occurring pullies and gears" and the ability to transform was innate from the get-go.

[Jal Phoenix]

I asked the Transformers wiki. Turns out, the multiverse struck again:

In some continuities this ability to transform is innate to all members of the species, in others it was a wartime innovation that was adopted by most, but not all, of the populace.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Come to think of it, "wartime innovation" might have been the explanation initially used in the G1 toyline.

[elf25s]

Come to think of it, "wartime innovation" might have been the explanation initially used in the G1 toyline.

you are thinking of go bots
the great engineer put brains int robotic bodies that changed shape

[garhkal]

No, that was Challenge of the Go-Bots were they developed the ability to transform as part of the war.  Though I haven't seen every episode of Transformers G1, they could have put it into an episode that I didn't see.  There were at least two mutually exclusive origins for both the Dinobots and Constructions in the cartoon, after all.  But like I said, the standard explanation was that they were built as a slave race by the Quintessons with the ability to transform as part of their roles: Autobots, built for domestic labor and construction, turned mostly into cars and trucks, while Decepticons, built primarily for combat, mostly turned into jets and other war machines.

In the comics, Transformers had "evolved from naturally occurring pullies and gears" and the ability to transform was innate from the get-go.

I rarely if ever saw the cartoon, but collected MOST if not all the comics in the UK..  And that's how i remember it too..  PLUS if they were 'supposed to have been built" by the Quintessons, HOW THEN Does that explain Primus (their planet) or the creation matrix/??

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

I rarely if ever saw the cartoon, but collected MOST if not all the comics in the UK..  And that's how i remember it too..  PLUS if they were 'supposed to have been built" by the Quintessons, HOW THEN Does that explain Primus (their planet) or the creation matrix/??

The Quentesson origin was only in the cartoon.  The Matrix of Leadership was created for the animated movie (and didn't become the Creation Matrix until later), while Primus was something Simon Furman came up with in the UK comics (which was then brought over to the US comics).  Transformers has a very complicated history.  Pretty much every iteration reinvents the stuff.

you are thinking of go bots
the great engineer put brains int robotic bodies that changed shape

My dude, I already mentioned it was used in Challenge of the Go-Bots.

[Jal Phoenix]

Also from the wiki, linked in my post above:

Early stories depicted this ability as something that the Transformer race as a whole was not created with; it was either a wartime innovation designed to disguise themselves from their opponents, or an unexpected side effect as a result of their rebuilding at the hands of the Ark on Earth. However, it would not take long for this ability to be cemented as a natural extension of Cybertronian biology; later stories would, for the most part, establish that Transformers are born with a functioning alternate mode, or at least the ability to assume one.

[NightSarge]

The tank chats

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Also from the wiki, linked in my post above:

Yeah, unfortunately the wiki doesn't clearly indicate which origin went with which continuity.

[elf25s]

rooster teeth aka cockbite studio the ones who done red vs blue series tried to unify the transformer universe...they did try and almost made it

[Jal Phoenix]

Yeah, unfortunately the wiki doesn't clearly indicate which origin went with which continuity.

 I guess I could go into the attic and dig out my original Marvel comics run. I'm not that ambitious, though.    Also, it's been a long time since I felt that strongly about Transformers.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

I think the only thing in Transformers that's less consistent than the timeline is the scale between characters and altmodes.

[Lorcan Nagle]

The Transformers wiki has a page on that too:

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Scale

(TFWiki is one of the best out there, up there with Sarna and Memory Alpha in terms of information but it has an irreverant sense of humour which elevates the content.)

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

That's one of my favorite pages on the wiki.  Along with the entry for B.O.T.  You know an episode was a doozy when one of the continuity errors listed for it was "this episode exists."

[garhkal]

I wonder, if the same applies to the other awesome 80s toys, ZOIDS!!!

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

No, the fact that Zoids exist is very much not an error.

[Lorcan Nagle]

I quite like the timeline page starting with "The Big Bang.  The atoms that would eventually become plastic are formed, ruining Transfomers forever"

[NightSarge]

Starship Higlander

[Death_from_above]

6 sci-fi short stories. No link between episodes, so can be watched in any order.

https://www.youtube.com/@blackmilk_studio

[garhkal]

No, the fact that Zoids exist is very much not an error.

I was more on about whether zoids are 'scaled incorrectly'..

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Zoids doesn't use scale the same way Transformers does, so that's pretty difficult.  A Zoid mecha that looks like a Styracosaurus, for example, isn't supposed to be the same size as an actual Styracosaurus the way that a Transformer is supposed to be the size of their actual alt mode, leading to absurdities like a space shuttle (Blast Off) being the same size as a jeep (Swindle).

[NightSarge]

Nitro Rallycross Calgary FULL Broadcast - Finals

[Ruger]

Zoids doesn't use scale the same way Transformers does, so that's pretty difficult.  A Zoid mecha that looks like a Styracosaurus, for example, isn't supposed to be the same size as an actual Styracosaurus the way that a Transformer is supposed to be the size of their actual alt mode, leading to absurdities like a space shuttle (Blast Off) being the same size as a jeep (Swindle).

Or a 20 or 30 foot tall robot is supposed to transform into an actual size boom box/tape deck that is able to be picked up and carried by a normal human teenager.

Ruger

[Ruger]

Finally getting to see Wednesday season 1 (now that’s it’s been released on dvd) since I still haven’t broken down and signed up for Netflix.

Ruger