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BattleTech Miniatures and Terrain => Iron Wind Metals News and Announcements => Topic started by: jimdigris on 19 May 2013, 08:13:44
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Has IWM decided what this year's Gencon-exclusive mini is?
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Yes.
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Yes.
I will second that yes
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Guessing you cannot say what it will be???
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Change the title bro, you made me think it was an announcement.
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Guessing you cannot say what it will be???
Nope, not yet.......
Change the title bro, you made me think it was an announcement.
If the post is not from me, then nothing is an official announcement.
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SPOILER: It's a jumping Urbanmech.
(Kidding, but if we're going to get another jumping sculpt that would at least be entertaining! :D )
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It's a jumping Warwolf. Jk
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It's a jumping Leviathan II?
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A jumping Jack.
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Jumping Bouncing Baby Boy?
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Jumping Colossal Class!
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Who said Jumping Warwolf :o,I'll take 12 ::)
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No, no... jumping Castle Brian!
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Jumpin' jiminy Christmas!
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A crawling Atlas.
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A crawling Atlas.
That would be more interesting in my mind than a jumping Atlas
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A jumping Summoner for the Jade Falcon fans? Aidan was a jumping fool...
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Since BT is moving into the DA era, I would expect a post-Jihad design as the exclusive mini (please no more Jumping minis, I have two that I will never build)
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A 28mm scale Salamander.
Jumping, of course.
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In that case, I don't mind. ;D
Frankly, another 28mm Battle Armor would be nice. O0
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Since BT is moving into the DA era, I would expect a post-Jihad design as the exclusive mini (please no more Jumping minis, I have two that I will never build)
I wouldn't want an entire chassis made a convention exclusive. (Can't get a Calliope unless you go to a convention, for example).
A Charger -SB, Yen Lo Wang, or some other unusual/unique variant would be good. Cyclops CP-11-B? :)
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An official Kraken 3, based off the Plog art... {>{>
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Jumping jump jet exhaust?
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An official Kraken 3, based off the Plog art... {>{>
You could get close bashing the XR. Don't think we'll see another sculpt though.
(http://www.lordsofthebattlefield.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_art-mattplog-kraken2-01.jpg)
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/3/30/Kraken-XR.jpg)
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(please no more Jumping minis, I have two that I will never build)
Prepare to be disappointed then. :-\
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Well I wouldn't exactly say that.
Dak
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Well I wouldn't exactly say that.
Dak
OK, I actually only meant that for those that don't like the Jumpers. I don't mind them myself, but I know there's a lot of people that are sick of them, and I've also heard that this year's LE/CE mini Will Be another Jumper. "Because they Sell."
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Why do you guys cry so much about jumping exclusive mini's. It seems like a no brainer to me, Here we have the regular mini and for a con exclusive we have a jumping version. Seems like a slam dunk to me. I for one love my jumping thunderbolt. One day TPTB are going to say " well we are darned if we do and darned in we don't so we might as well not even do it" and I for one would not blame them.
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Sorry if I seem rude, but can someone explain the distaste for jumper's so I can at least see someone else's point of view.
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Sorry if I seem rude, but can someone explain the distaste for jumper's so I can at least see someone else's point of view.
Some people consider it overdone (too many times), others don't like them because they are not really usable on the gaming table and more for painting and looking awesome.
Then again, if they really sell as well as the past suggests, those people are clearly in the minority.
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Word, I guess that's why they are considered the vocal minority. I guess I just consider jumping LE's rather organic for reason's stated earlier. On a side not I know some of these guys in real life and some people have to realize That this is hobby and 2nd job to most and a little more respect should be given for what they do.
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The jumpers are perceived by some as not useful for tabletop play, as they're large, exceed a hexbase, complicate rules based on physical line of site to minis & terrain, and/or are awkward to assemble (pick some from column A, some from column B). Others consider the variants chosen to be too specific or unique, again mainly coming from the tabletop game. Lastly, others object to the limited availability of the minis - initially only at conventions attended by IWM or their agents, before becoming online available a year or so later.
W.
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Again, I don't have any problem with them, but I don't see why anyone would consider gaming with one of them either. :-\ If you're going to complain about the "LOS Issue" from using them, DON'T game with them. It's not like that's your ONLY sculpt of that mini available. ::) I'm not a painter myself, but I enjoy seeing some of the Artwork people post on various BT sites, that they've done with the various jumping minis. O0
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For me, it's one of those 'been there, done that' things. They've done it every year for the past few years, and I'm ready to do something fresh. The Jade Hawk was a no-brainer for me (I'm a Jade Falcon player, did you know?), but... to be honest, it's sat half-finished on my shelf for several years now. The Hatchetman was at least short enough that I can use it at a gaming table without it falling over all the time (even then, I have two other Hatchetman miniatures to use instead), but the Thunderbolt was the same problem as the Jade Hawk- too tall, no real use at the table. I never picked up the Rifleman, Rifleman IIC, and only did last year's Atlas as a commission piece for GhostBear (who politely didn't laugh at my shoddy work!).
I'd love to see something new and in a new direction- I think I can speak for the majority when I say that the Catapult from 2007 (was it '07?) was an awesome piece of work, one that is still sought by many to work on and which I've now done four of (one of each flavor for my own collection, one of each flavor for Slade and his son) and would love to do more of. The 28mm Hauberk looked like a great piece as well (haven't picked one up, sadly), and I'd love to see more of that done. Someone mentioned the Salamander- how great would THAT look in 28mm? Or the Fenrir? Again, not really useful for the table, but something new at least.
Lest anyone take that wrong, that's not me hating on IWM, sculptors, etc., and shouldn't be taken as a Catalyst minion talking bad about them at all- rather, as a fan who has just burned out on the jumping Mech idea, and would like to see new ideas rather than seeing what else can be put on a jump stand.
...Unless it's an Urbanmech. Again, I'd buy the hell out of that, mostly so I can photograph every mini I paint from now on with an Urbie doing a DFA on it. ;)
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A jumping Jack.
Flashman?
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Flashman?
Nah, Jack Johnson
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8471677#&navid=nhl-search
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Someone said jumping urbanmech. Now if it were accompanied my a re-vamped/re-imagined sculpt I would be all over that.
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Ascetically they are unpleasing to look at. This is not to say they are bad sculpts, but there is only so much that you can do to make a jumping brick look cool. The best way I can describe it is being on the stage hand side of a Peter Pan musical watching flight, it is unspectacular.
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Let it be a crossover year. A jumping LAM. That goes from superheavy Mech...to Leviathan.
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OK, I actually only meant that for those that don't like the Jumpers. I don't mind them myself, but I know there's a lot of people that are sick of them, and I've also heard that this year's LE/CE mini Will Be another Jumper. "Because they Sell."
It could be they sell because they are Con Exclusives. Rarity brings out buyers. Aesthetic appeal is not the only inducemet to buy, perhaps not even the major one
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Let it be a crossover year. A jumping LAM. That goes from superheavy Mech...to Leviathan.
Jumping HML Medusa!!
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Yeah...pretty much, the reason I am not fond of the jumping minis is the "OK..so..um..how about doing something
different now?" aspect of it. They never did a Jumping Catapult K2, which is a Con Exclusive. Why can't they do
stuff like that? Variants that are noticeably different that people have to kit-bash normally to do?
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Jumping mechs are overdone, do a jumping Kanga instead!
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Yeah...pretty much, the reason I am not fond of the jumping minis is the "OK..so..um..how about doing something
different now?" aspect of it. They never did a Jumping Catapult K2, which is a Con Exclusive. Why can't they do
stuff like that? Variants that are noticeably different that people have to kit-bash normally to do?
Purely my personal POV, but the Con Exclusive pieces are not aimed at the tabletop gamers at all. They're meant to be displays of IWM's technical proficiency, and to offer something the highly skilled painters can show their best on. In other words, they're semi-promotional.
Look at Reaper; they do their "Sophie" succubus each year in a new costume. Totally irrelevant to any game, but they're keenly collected by painters & collectors.
Then look at a Whitworth, or a Vindicator - even though I love the old Badger of Tikonov, it's nothing to compete detail-wise with a fantasy, or even a W40K, figure. Yes, the Jade Hawk & some of the new designs are flashier, but they're less detail-rich - no textures, no fabrics, no flesh tones, none of the usual things the painters can go to town on.
(Which makes the appearance of BT minis in the winners of con painting contests each year an amazing testament to the skills of the painters who still love their mechs!
All IMHO, of course.
W.
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Whether you like the jumping sculpts or not, I would encourage you to stay tuned. 8)
Dak
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Didn't they do the omega as a con exclusive, that was different and people still complained.
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Didn't they do the omega as a con exclusive, that was different and people still complained.
True, but they dared have a jumper as well ... ;)
I agree with worktroll here - the jumpers are not necessarily aimed at the gamers and I for one like that something is done for the collectors and painters. Besides posing the jumpers is a breeze, whether it is an action pose in-flight or a non-jumping pose.
Reaper has their Sophie, IWM has the jumpers. Even though the theme is not 100% mine I like that they stick to it. And I don't think it would be fair to say they don't listen to the fans. Sure there was a jumper last year, but also the Omega, the Hauberk, the pre-releases ...
To echo Dak ... stay tuned!
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Of the jumpers released so far, my favorite has to be the Hatchetman. The tall, thin jump plumes don't always look quite right to me, but the Hatchetman just has attitude, enhanced by the jumping pose.
Of course, I'm still waiting for my jumping Highlander. Maybe it'll be this year. 8)
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Didn't they do the omega as a con exclusive, that was different and people still complained.
Oh. Yeah, I forgot about that being a Con exclusive for a while as well. Sorry!
(One of these days I need to paint mine... the size isn't the issue, it's the amount of huge flat panels that I find intimidating...)
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I'm disappointed by the fact IWM does not attend any of the West coast conventions. But then again gaming cons here tend to be much smaller affairs than what IWM would probably consider going to.
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Didn't they do the omega as a con exclusive, that was different and people still complained.
Considering the Omega was available as an Online Exclusive by Christmas, can it Really be called a "Con Exclusive" ? ??? Seems to me more like it simply "Debuted" at the Cons more than anything else. I'm still considering buying one and commissioning a certain painter to make me a "Hello Omega Kitty!" >:D I LOVE my Hello Kitty Thunderbolt IIC, even if I'm less than satisfied with the mini itself. :D
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Considering the Omega was available as an Online Exclusive by Christmas, can it Really be called a "Con Exclusive" ? ??? Seems to me more like it simply "Debuted" at the Cons more than anything else. I'm still considering buying one and commissioning a certain painter to make me a "Hello Omega Kitty!" >:D I LOVE my Hello Kitty Thunderbolt IIC, even if I'm less than satisfied with the mini itself. :D
The GenCon Omega's were cast off the original master mold, so they're a bit larger than the production mold minis
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The GenCon Omega's were cast off the original master mold, so they're a bit larger than the production mold minis
Even larger? My production version is already a big monster.
I love it. {>{>
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Just putting this out there. I think that many of the anit-jumping crowd could be appeased if it were able to pose the mini without the jump jet exhaust pieces. That way it could be either a really cool jumping mini or a really cool standing mini. I don't know if this would be practical; but I would much rather provide a possible solution as opposed to crapping in IWM's backyard like a drunken alley cat.
Of course that is just my opinion, the statistics I've developed over my lifetime indicate that I probably got it wrong.
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It's a jumping Leviathan II?
Ah the Jumping Warship, just put down a blank hex and if people question it simply say its in another spot of space at the moment.
It'll return, after it recharges.
Any minute now.
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I like the jumpers, have most/all but I would love to see a few exotic or extreme variants in place of the jumpers.
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Given the note in the recent BattleChat about the "Fall of Terra" event needing IWM minis for the appropriate TRO:3145 units before they can be added in, I would hope for the likes of the Colossi, the Warwolf, or any other Clan or Republic units one might expect to see in such a battle show up.
Perhaps one of the mysterious QuadVees? (But then, only the Horses seem interested in experimenting with those, and they would be in no hurry to fight alongside Alaric.)
But then, it's not like I'd be able to make it to GenCon myself, so the opinion of someone who would actually be in a postion to go might carry more weight at this point.
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Just putting this out there. I think that many of the anit-jumping crowd could be appeased if it were able to pose the mini without the jump jet exhaust pieces. That way it could be either a really cool jumping mini or a really cool standing mini. I don't know if this would be practical; but I would much rather provide a possible solution as opposed to crapping in IWM's backyard like a drunken alley cat.
Of course that is just my opinion, the statistics I've developed over my lifetime indicate that I probably got it wrong.
The Rifleman, Rifleman IIC, and Atlas could quite easily be posed without the jump plumes. T-Bolt too (see the -10M variant). The Atlas even comes with the regular back, so if you don't want the jump pack, or want to use it with something else, it's still all good.
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Jumping mechs are overdone, do a jumping Kanga instead!
That would be cool
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Purely my personal POV, but the Con Exclusive pieces are not aimed at the tabletop gamers at all. They're meant to be displays of IWM's technical proficiency, and to offer something the highly skilled painters can show their best on. In other words, they're semi-promotional.
Look at Reaper; they do their "Sophie" succubus each year in a new costume. Totally irrelevant to any game, but they're keenly collected by painters & collectors.
Then look at a Whitworth, or a Vindicator - even though I love the old Badger of Tikonov, it's nothing to compete detail-wise with a fantasy, or even a W40K, figure. Yes, the Jade Hawk & some of the new designs are flashier, but they're less detail-rich - no textures, no fabrics, no flesh tones, none of the usual things the painters can go to town on.
(Which makes the appearance of BT minis in the winners of con painting contests each year an amazing testament to the skills of the painters who still love their mechs!
All IMHO, of course.
W.
I love Sophie!
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I love Sophie!
Yeah...do to some issues, I missed buying this years Sophie from their webstore during ReaperCon.
Do they also sell her during GenCon?
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An official Kraken 3, based off the Plog art... {>{>
This times a million
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Yeah...do to some issues, I missed buying this years Sophie from their webstore during ReaperCon.
Do they also sell her during GenCon?
Not normally, but they may bring her back for one of their "12 Days of Reaper" events around the Christmas sales season.
On Topic:
A jumping Kanga would be cool. Among my list of "to do" projects is to assemble and paint one of the Rifleman jumpers as a walker, and use the jump plumes to make a jumping tank.
Hmm... maybe it's time >:D
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I am excited to see any and all con exclusives they come up with... jumping, crawling, leaking fluid, exploding, hovercraft ramming into a mech leg, open canopy with a mechwarrior waving lol.... :) O0 I think it's fun to pick up something outside of the norm to satisfy my metal crack addiction.
From some off the work I have seen from members of this forum, almost anything can be customized to what you want. I am working on my first reposing and its a lot of fun, so even if you are total amateur like me I say buy one and try changing it a bit yourself if you don't like something, really exciting... Trailing off, can't wait to see the con mini's!
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I am excited to see any and all con exclusives they come up with... jumping, crawling, leaking fluid, exploding, hovercraft ramming into a mech leg, open canopy with a mechwarrior waving lol.... :) O0 I think it's fun to pick up something outside of the norm to satisfy my metal crack addiction.
*points to the bolded point* This! I want this!
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Purely my personal POV, but the Con Exclusive pieces are not aimed at the tabletop gamers at all. They're meant to be displays of IWM's technical proficiency, and to offer something the highly skilled painters can show their best on. In other words, they're semi-promotional.
This makes a lot of sense and you're probably spot on. It's a very good argument for why the con exclusives don't need to be table top friendly. They're meant for display, not play. However, that's also a really good argument for why they shouldn't do another jumping mech. Does IWM want to be known for it's technical proficiency, or does it want to be known for just doing good jumping robots?
How about something like a battle damaged mech? Like an atlas that's been beat to hell but still kicking. Think about all the details they could put into something like that. Bullet holes, laser burns, melted and fractured armor, exposed internals... To go with it, create a hex base of a downed mech for it to stand on. As an added bonus, fully sculpt the base(meaning no cut out slots or attachment holes) so they can sell it as a separate piece. Could be used as base for other minis or as some kind of objective marker.
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How about something like a battle damaged mech? Like an atlas that's been beat to hell but still kicking. Think about all the details they could put into something like that. Bullet holes, laser burns, melted and fractured armor, exposed internals... To go with it, create a hex base of a downed mech for it to stand on. As an added bonus, fully sculpt the base(meaning no cut out slots or attachment holes) so they can sell it as a separate piece. Could be used as base for other minis or as some kind of objective marker.
...okay, I still want a Kraken 3 more than this, but it's a DAMNED close race. O0
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They make the jumping 'mechs because they sell....WHY do they sell? Is it because they are jumping? Is it because they
are different? I got the jumping Rifleman for my groups fabricator to mod up a rocky scenic base, since I thought the pose
could also be made to look like it is jumping down rocks, etc...I think the DFA Jade Hawk and the jumping thunderbolt are
good miniatures because, since they are not on a base of any form, they are easier to mod the legs with. I like the Hatchetman
because it, actually, is table friendly in size.
But, are those the reasons other people get them? Or are there other reasons? I think I would like to join the people saying
"Hey! If these are to showcase technical capabilities, why not do a battledamaged 'mech?"
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I wouldn't want an entire chassis made a convention exclusive. (Can't get a Calliope unless you go to a convention, for example).
A Charger -SB, Yen Lo Wang, or some other unusual/unique variant would be good. Cyclops CP-11-B? :)
How about a Cyclops CP-10-HQ?!
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Of the jumpers released so far, my favorite has to be the Hatchetman. The tall, thin jump plumes don't always look quite right to me, but the Hatchetman just has attitude, enhanced by the jumping pose.
Of course, I'm still waiting for my jumping Highlander. Maybe it'll be this year. 8)
I LOVE the jumping hatchetman!!!
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I wouldn't want an entire chassis made a convention exclusive.
You hear that? That is the sound of everyone who has ever wanted a Leviathan agreeing with you, heart and soul.
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I too want a Leviathan!!!!!
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Not me, I am not going to Gencon so I wouldn't be able to get one.
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There are shopping "ninjas" for that.
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Hmmm. We have a new Atlas on the cover for the upcoming Intro Box. I'm going to place my bet on that being a new sculpt for the Atlas. I'll be in it for three if it is.
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No, we already have to many Atlas sculpts as is. Maybe the football playing version may be good, but not another standard Atlas.
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There are shopping "ninjas" for that.
I've been called the "Gen Con Drug Mini Mule" before. :D
This will be Year Three for that. O0
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I've been called the "Gen Con Drug Mini Mule" before. :D
This will be Year Three for that. O0
lol, yeah I hope this to be my first year at GenCon but my start date for my new job keeps getting pushed back further and further, soon I wont be able to afford the trip :(
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I Hope you're able to make it! O0 Everyone should attend at least ONE Gen Con in their life. If you make it, prepare to be Amazed! 8)
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Meee tooooo. Last 2 years my friends have been going without me :( Might just bite the bullet and go no matter what this year.
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Another vote for Kraken 3.
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The BIG QUESTION: Are we going to find out what the GenCon Mini(s) is(are) before Origins?
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POOF. Your wish is my command.
This times a million
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....The Jade Hawk was a no-brainer for me (I'm a Jade Falcon player, did you know?), but... to be honest, it's sat half-finished on my shelf for several years now....
Ok fine, I'll email you some pictures of my finished one at lunch time to motivate you to finish yours. ;)
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Ok fine, I'll email you some pictures of my finished one at lunch time to motivate you to finish yours. ;)
Well, to be fair, part of it also is that I have a standing one already in bright green and gold (NOTE: This one has sneaked into Ben Rome's blog a few times), and a jumping one that God & Davion painted for me recently that is FAR better than anything I'll ever paint. So... low priority ;)
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POOF. Your wish is my command.
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img832/7536/shutupandtakemymoneyf.jpg)
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POOF. Your wish is my command.
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I don't recognize this design ... what is it?
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I don't recognize this design ... what is it?
Go. Expand your mind... (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,10468.0.html)
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Insane Kangaroo does some really impressive work! I love his LAMs in all three modes.
Thanks for the link, Weirdo!
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img832/7536/shutupandtakemymoneyf.jpg)
Two million :D
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Maybe it will be a jumping version of the DA Goalie Atlas since it made its debut in the Davion TRO!
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I'm guessing Colossal Class mech.
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POOF. Your wish is my command.
:o
Not enough missiles, unless those pods fire out Golems who fire out missiles, then we're talking! O0
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Maybe it will be a jumping version of the DA Goalie Atlas since it made its debut in the Davion TRO!
The Davion TRO (for 3145 at least) is not out yet...unless I'm mistaken, perhaps you meant the TRO 3085 Atlas AS7-K2? If it's not the one from TRO 3085 you are speaking of...then where is this "Goalie" Atlas you speak of found?
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The Davion TRO (for 3145 at least) is not out yet...unless I'm mistaken, perhaps you meant the TRO 3085 Atlas AS7-K2? If it's not the one from TRO 3085 you are speaking of...then where is this "Goalie" Atlas you speak of found?
It and a new Black Knight (based on the MWDA/MW4 version) were teased on Facebook from the new TRO:Davion earlier this week.
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Ahhhh ok...I gave up facebook a long time ago, so that explains why I have no idea about that image. Thanks!
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Facebook is something I ignore as well, so I am behind the loop on this as well.
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both images have made their way into the TRO davion thread
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Look at Reaper; they do their "Sophie" succubus each year in a new costume. Totally irrelevant to any game, but they're keenly collected by painters & collectors.
Knowing quite a few people who used one of those for their succubus PC... not completely irrelevant...
Not sure why jumpers are disliked... Now the Jumping Panther does have some... transportation issues...
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It and a new Black Knight (based on the MWDA/MW4 version) were teased on Facebook from the new TRO:Davion earlier this week.
I really hope they didn't go with the MW:DA head on the Black Knight.
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I'm going to have to guess the Gen-Con exclusive this year WILL be the Kraken variant...this is only based on the fact that the Kraken Mini that has the Missile Launchers looks VERY close to production. This would easily be able to be made in to a production miniature...so I'll have to lay odds that this will be it.
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...this is only based on the fact that the Kraken Mini that has the Missile Launchers looks VERY close to production.
What mini are you talking about? The only Kraken-3s I've seen in this thread or elsewhere are purely kitbashes, and very extensive ones at that. Are you drawing your info from an off-forum source?
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Maybe we'll get Rattler Mk2! *Talks to a loan officer for approval for the load.*
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I'm going to have to guess the Gen-Con exclusive this year WILL be the Kraken variant...this is only based on the fact that the Kraken Mini that has the Missile Launchers looks VERY close to production. This would easily be able to be made in to a production miniature...so I'll have to lay odds that this will be it.
How much do you want to put on it? I'll gladly take your money... ;)
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Me, I would love to see a 28mm Fenrir this year. I don't know if the Hauberk did good but a 3rd option and first quad available would have get them. O0
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Maybe we'll get Rattler Mk2! *Talks to a loan officer for approval for the load.*
OK, now this would be pure gold. O0
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OK, now this would be pure gold. O0
I would hope not! Pure Raladium would be better.
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How much do you want to put on it? I'll gladly take your money... ;)
Ummm...nothing since I know you do sculpting for IWM! LOL
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What mini are you talking about? The only Kraken-3s I've seen in this thread or elsewhere are purely kitbashes, and very extensive ones at that. Are you drawing your info from an off-forum source?
It's the one in the images above with the modified Mad Cat MK II missile launchers. It could easily be made in to a production mold.
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How much do you want to put on it? I'll gladly take your money... ;)
...as long as I get a Tonbo out of it. :D
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How much do you want to put on it? I'll gladly take your money... ;)
Can I get in on that too? That bane 3 is a one of a kind. ;)
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Has IWM decided what this year's Gencon-exclusive mini is?
I've been told what it is, but all I'll say is that it's something "Super". :D
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I've been told what it is, but all I'll say is that it's something "Super". :D
Wasp or Griffin? Perhaps both ???
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That was my thought, too. But somehow I don't think so.
Rattler Mk IV? :D
(If it came in resin, I'd probably buy one ... but dear Ghu, imagine the shipping costs!)
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or a 'super' heavy. personally i think that the ares would be awesome and fitting for what's going on in the fiction right now. I still have my clix ones and they look sweet so metal would be really cool!
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wasn't one of the Royal Phoenix Hawk variants called super... something ?
nope, checking TRO 3075, p169, that was Phoenix Hawk "special"
though a Rifleman II would be very nice (and super to boot) [drool]
it couldn't be a Robotech "Super Valkyrie" LAM could it ?
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I've been told what it is, but all I'll say is that it's something "Super". :D
Grud...don't you mean it will be a double "Super" treat for all??? As well as some people tossing out a "Word" or two on how happy they will be??? O:-)
I'm going to have to guess the Gen-Con exclusive this year WILL be the Kraken variant...this is only based on the fact that the Kraken Mini that has the Missile Launchers looks VERY close to production. This would easily be able to be made in to a production miniature...so I'll have to lay odds that this will be it.
I was wrong on the above...it's DEFINITELY not going to be the Kraken variant...so yes Psycho...you would have won the bet. On that note...build me one??? LOL
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(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/945315_10151447985558148_497835509_n.jpg)
Yuk
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I like it. Makes the Atlas 2 look anorexic.
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Wow. I have always rather disliked that look for the Atlas, but now...
...It's kind of... cool.
CURSE YOU DAVID WHITE! Curse you for making me reconsider the aesthetic of yet another Battlemech design. ;D
I'm still not quite sure about the hand-held RAC though.
Back on topic: I doubt the convention exclusive will have anything to do with the new TROs. Presumably, stuff from those will make it into general distribution as time and schedule allow, although I suppose a repeat of the super-heavy treatment from last year is a possibility.
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the DA atlases look infinitely better IMO, they look absolutely fantastic, and i think the Atlas III will make a nice chunky mini
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(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/945315_10151447985558148_497835509_n.jpg)
Is it just me or does the head (sorta) reminds me of Casey Jones' mask from Ninja Turtles (any of them).
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They don't call it the Hockey Mask Atlas for nothin. :D
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They don't call it the Hockey Mask Atlas for nothin. :D
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Patrick_Roy_1999.jpg/255px-Patrick_Roy_1999.jpg)
Yeah, I see it ;D
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Patrick_Roy_1999.jpg/255px-Patrick_Roy_1999.jpg)
Yeah, I see it ;D
You know, I can see it more like Dan Blackburn after his injury....hrmm.
I may have a painting idea for the first time in forever!
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Its long past time the Atlas III had a sculpt. We've had a general idea that the Hockey Mask Atlas was out there, and the Atlas III is just the natural outcome of that.
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Its long past time the Atlas III had a sculpt.
What? A couple weeks?
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What? A couple weeks?
Years.
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i call for the GenCon exclusive to be 3D printed! O0 Also a 3D printed Atlas 3 would be the greatest thing ever to happen to this game. ^-^
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Years.
Sorry, 3145FS has not been out that long.
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Sorry, 3145FS has not been out that long.
I know. I`m not talking about 3145FS.
http://www.warrenborn.com/Unit.php?ID=VG085
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I know. I`m not talking about 3145FS.
http://www.warrenborn.com/Unit.php?ID=VG085
There are plenty of 'Mechs and other units made for MW:DA/AoD that haven't been made in pewter. My contention is that without the TRO, there would not be the demand for the Atlas III now. Therefore, people have only been clamoring for it within the past two weeks or so, not the years since it's release in the MW game. It is a cool looking 'Mech, and one of only a handful of MW pieces I have. The tricky part is that without canon BT stats, DA-era minis haven't really taken off. Something like the Tundra Wolf should be iconic to Wolf forces, but it was archived before it made it to a TRO. Unlike the Targe, the TW is a solid mini and a pretty wicked design. And yet the sales didn't happen. In my subjective observation, not having the BT context in place prior to the release of a mini has pretty seriously hindered acceptance of DA-era designs when miniatures have been made for them. I also don't recall seeing any solid demand for the Atlas III prior to the release of the image included in the TRO; perhaps you could point out where such strong and repeated demand has been shown?
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There are plenty of 'Mechs and other units made for MW:DA/AoD that haven't been made in pewter. My contention is that without the TRO, there would not be the demand for the Atlas III now. Therefore, people have only been clamoring for it within the past two weeks or so, not the years since it's release in the MW game. It is a cool looking 'Mech, and one of only a handful of MW pieces I have. The tricky part is that without canon BT stats, DA-era minis haven't really taken off. Something like the Tundra Wolf should be iconic to Wolf forces, but it was archived before it made it to a TRO. Unlike the Targe, the TW is a solid mini and a pretty wicked design. And yet the sales didn't happen. In my subjective observation, not having the BT context in place prior to the release of a mini has pretty seriously hindered acceptance of DA-era designs when miniatures have been made for them. I also don't recall seeing any solid demand for the Atlas III prior to the release of the image included in the TRO; perhaps you could point out where such strong and repeated demand has been shown?
I can't really speak to anything that you're saying because I honestly know next to nothing about the sales of minis, but it's not really relevant to what Stormlion was saying.
Based on what you wrote though, we can assume that the Atlas III will not be the Gencon exclusive.
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I wonder if the 7k2 (3085) Atlas will come out as mini. It could come with optional "masks" since the head seems to differ from source to source. Personally the ER:3145 seems to having the winning appearance to the Machine.
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I can't really speak to anything that you're saying because I honestly know next to nothing about the sales of minis, but it's not really relevant to what Stormlion was saying.
I guess that if all you're claiming is that the two of you are saying "I want that in pewter", then no, there is no counter argument to be made. It's a fine sentiment. That's not what I got from your posts.
Based on what you wrote though, we can assume that the Atlas III will not be the Gencon exclusive.
Then you've missed the point of what I wrote. I argued that without a TRO entry or other published material, DA-era minis don't appear to do very well. The Atlas III clearly does now have that. Draw your own conclusions.
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I guess that if all you're claiming is that the two of you are saying "I want that in pewter", then no, there is no counter argument to be made. It's a fine sentiment. That's not what I got from your posts.
I wasn't saying anything other than we have had the design of the Atlas III (without the numeric III behind it) for a lot longer than 3145FS, so when Stormlion said:
Its long past time the Atlas III had a sculpt.
It's a lot more reasonable than you seemed to make it out to be. That's basically it, I'm not sure what else you could have gleaned from my very short responses.
Then you've missed the point of what I wrote. I argued that without a TRO entry or other published material, DA-era minis don't appear to do very well. The Atlas III clearly does now have that. Draw your own conclusions.
More of a tongue in cheek comment than anything meaningful.
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It's a lot more reasonable than you seemed to make it out to be.
Depends on your criteria. To me, it's a suggestion that IWM should follow the same path that has produced miniatures that have quickly fallen below the sales threshold to archive them. Sales numbers, and the profit or loss IWM might see is a valid criteria, IMO. But, that's the POV I'm using. Yours may be different and therefore you may come to different conclusions.
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Depends on your criteria. To me, it's a suggestion that IWM should follow the same path that has produced miniatures that have quickly fallen below the sales threshold to archive them. Sales numbers, and the profit or loss IWM might see is a valid criteria, IMO. But, that's the POV I'm using. Yours may be different and therefore you may come to different conclusions.
Psycho, this has been about the length of time that the design has been out, it has never been about sales. You are the one who introduced sales as a 'criteria'. I think it's important to consider sales, but I (maybe Stormlion can, I don't know) speak to that issue which is why I only ever addressed the time factor.
And to clarify, this is neither my POV nor my criteria. All I was trying to say at the outset of this discussion before it snowballed is that the Atlas III has been around for years.
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Psycho, this has been about the length of time that the design has been out, it has never been about sales. You are the one who introduced sales as a 'criteria'. I think it's important to consider sales, but I (maybe Stormlion can, I don't know) speak to that issue which is why I only ever addressed the time factor.
And to clarify, this is neither my POV nor my criteria. All I was trying to say at the outset of this discussion before it snowballed is that the Atlas III has been around for years.
Did IWM's make this version of the Atlas? I can't imagine what they'd be calling it since the "Atlas III" name is new for all i know.
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Did IWM's make this version of the Atlas? I can't imagine what they'd be calling it since the "Atlas III" name is new for all i know.
No, it was just called the Atlas.
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Amusingly, by this standard posted here (that it's been years since we should have had the Atlas III since it was in the Dark Age game), it would still be in line behind sculpting the Agromech.
For some reason, this has me literally laughing to the point that I scared my cat. ;D
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No, it was just called the Atlas.
Hmm, wasn't able to find it on Iron Wind's web store. I take it not listed anymore or in weird location?
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Hmm, wasn't able to find it on Iron Wind's web store. I take it not listed anymore or in weird location?
It's not yet produced by IWM. It's an old sculpt from the Mechwarrior game by Wizkids.
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It's not yet produced by IWM. It's an old sculpt from the Mechwarrior game by Wizkids.
OH. I thought you had meant they had come out with one in the past. Like the Shrike & Shiro, they came out before the stats did from IWM.
I have one those Atlas at home. Hmm, AOD MWDA mechs had actual variant designations on them....ugh. Their variant numbers are non-sense. One of the Davion Atlas IIIs has AS7-D-A as it variant.
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Yeah, I see it ;D
That's the notable pilot for the Avalanche silly.
Amusingly, by this standard posted here (that it's been years since we should have had the Atlas III since it was in the Dark Age game), it would still be in line behind sculpting the Agromech.
Huh, I thought for sure we had one of those, but http://ironwindmetals.com/store/index.php?cPath=16_255 none to be found.
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And that will be the new Con exclusive. The AgroMech, the last WorkMech to be done. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I've been told what it is, but all I'll say is that it's something "Super". :D
They only told you about one of them?
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The title of this thread demands to be updated:
"Dead Horse Carnage...now with Spoilers."
... ;)
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And that will be the new Con exclusive. The AgroMech, the last WorkMech to be done. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
JUMPING Agromech, if you please! O0
(Aargh - now I'm tempted to bash that up! And I have too much on my plate as it is!)
W.
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Huh, I thought for sure we had one of those, but http://ironwindmetals.com/store/index.php?cPath=16_255 none to be found.
Weird, huh? We got the others, but never did get the agro- which is too bad, I'd have liked to have had that one. I wanted the MiningMech Mk.II as well, the 'dump truck' Mech, but I may have to pick up some spare Catapult legs and some Tonka trucks to pull that one off as a kitbash, it appears. ;D
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I would love the GenCon mini to the a resculpt of the 5 small laser Charger. ;D
Wasp
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Wasp or Griffin? Perhaps both ???
I kinda called it.
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And that will be the new Con exclusive. The AgroMech, the last WorkMech to be done. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Been wanting that one for years. RAC and all! O0 Brian, lets fan-finance it! tally-ho!
-Gunz