Author Topic: 3145 rebuilds (Read 4222 times)

wolfgar · « **on:** 09 October 2013, 17:55:41 »

alright, we've seen a few mechs, a couple of fighters and some small craft and dropships in the TROs, anyone got a specific fighter they're rebuilding for 3145, me, i'm going with the VLC-8N Vulcan once i can find out rules for fighters and ferro-lammelar, though the heavy Ferro Al is nice.

give me what you've got of the oldies but goodies

wolfgar · « **Reply #1 on:** 16 October 2013, 16:49:19 »

well i still havent figured out the ferro lamellar but heres three with Heavy Ferro Aluminum and mixed tech weapons (mostly clan)

SB-28S Sabre
Mass: 25tons
Chassis: Inazuma SI-32
Armor-Heavy Ferro-alluminum
Armament-
3-ERmedium pulse lasers
Power Plant-225XL
Structural Integrity-11
Heat Sinks-12 (10 base +2)
Fuel-400pts
Armor- 4tons Heavy Ferro Alluminum (79pt 20/20/19)

An XL engine added to the orriginal 25 ton frame along with an equal weight of heavy Ferro Alluminum to replace the orriginal standard armor allows for the addition of 2 heat sinks and 3 (clan) extended range medium pulse lasers to replace the orriginal standard medium lasers

LTN-G17S Lighting
Mass: 50 tons
Chassis: Hildco AS Type 4
Power Plant: 200XL
Armor-Heavy Ferro-alluminum
Armaments:
1-LBX20 (4 tons ammo)
2-Large Pulse Lasers
Structural Integrity: 6
Heat Sinks: 15 (10base +5)
Fuel: 400pts
Armor: 10.5 tons heavy ferro alluminum (208pts 68/50/40)

An upgrade to even the Lyran model G16 Lightning this one trades the light engine for an XL and its orriginal weapons for a heat sink and armor upgrade while using a (Clan) LBX20 and a pair of large pulse lasers to provide an equal if not heavier punch than the Liao or Lyran variants

VLC-9N Vulcan
Mass: 80tons
chassis: Type 698
Power Plant: 240 XL
Armor-Heavy Ferro-alluminum
Armament:
2-LBX20 (4tons ammo)
1-Large pulse laser
2-Medium Pulse Lasers
Guardian ECM
TAG
Structural Integrity: 8
Heat Sinks: 20 (10base +10)
Fuel: 400pts
Armor: Heavy Ferro Alluminum 13.5tons (267pts 69/66/66)

reworked from both the orriginal republican design as well as the -8N upgrade the addition of the Heavy Ferro Aluminum armor allows for an upgrade of the orriginal large laser to a (Clan) large pulse laser as well as the orriginal AC/10s in the wings to (Clan) LBX 20s as well as upgrading the medium lasers to (Clan) medium pulse lasers

Col Toda · « **Reply #2 on:** 05 December 2013, 11:34:56 »

All units need convenient rebuilds . Mech vehicles ect.

Gray Jaguar · « **Reply #3 on:** 05 December 2013, 12:09:31 »

Quote from: wolfgar on 16 October 2013, 16:49:19

well i still havent figured out the ferro lamellar but heres three with Heavy Ferro Aluminum and mixed tech weapons (mostly clan)

LTN-G17S Lighting
Mass: 50 tons
Chassis: Hildco AS Type 4
Power Plant: 200XL
Armor-Heavy Ferro-alluminum
Armaments:
1-LBX20 (4 tons ammo)
2-Large Pulse Lasers
Structural Integrity: 6
Heat Sinks: 15 (10base +5)
Fuel: 400pts
Armor: 10.5 tons heavy ferro alluminum (208pts 68/50/40)

An upgrade to even the Lyran model G16 Lightning this one trades the light engine for an XL and its orriginal weapons for a heat sink and armor upgrade while using a (Clan) LBX20 and a pair of large pulse lasers to provide an equal if not heavier punch than the Liao or Lyran variants

I still prefer the Morgenstern. Over the Lightning rebuild here.

Zureal · « **Reply #4 on:** 07 December 2013, 14:17:03 »

Quote from: Gray Jaguar on 05 December 2013, 12:09:31

I still prefer the Morgenstern. Over the Lightning rebuild here.

agreed

wolfgar · « **Reply #5 on:** 07 December 2013, 18:08:14 »

To each their own, what are your thoughts on the other two rebuilds?

Gray Jaguar · « **Reply #6 on:** 07 December 2013, 20:09:12 »

Quote from: wolfgar on 07 December 2013, 18:08:14

To each their own, what are your thoughts on the other two rebuilds?

Well the issue with the Morgenstern vs. your rebuilt Lightning is less a matter of pure preference and more logistics. The Morgenstern uses a simpler and cheaper to build Fusion Engine meaning you can proliferate it more throughout the fleet. It has a better armor capacity in comparison along with weapon capacity. I make the previous statement because of the use of Omni-pods which allows for versatile performance, rapid repairs, easier logistics (if you use a primarily Omni AeroSpace as the Lyrans seem to do in 3145), and can even include the use of Clan Pods when salvaging, producing, or even trading.

As for the Sabre, I'd use the AMS rebuild instead as the cheaper and faster fighters seem better in that sort of interceptor role. The Dark Ages had a nice rebuild of the design that you could work with.

The Vulcan though confuses me; mind sharing some of why you chose what you did for that revamp?

wolfgar · « **Reply #7 on:** 07 December 2013, 23:29:23 »

With the vulcan I liked the orriginals AC's but I also like the flexibility of the LB. Giving it a XL engine gives it so much extra mass, especially if you use HFAl, that you can't help but pack in the extra weaponry.

Suralin · « **Reply #8 on:** 09 December 2013, 09:04:39 »

Hmm. Maybe the inevitable Corsair and Stuka retrofits with R-E Lasers?

wolfgar · « **Reply #9 on:** 09 December 2013, 09:47:32 »

I'll see what I can do and get back to you. So far this has all been by hand including the formatting.

Edit: anyone have TRO locations on these other than 3057. I'm just getting the absolute bare basics and not even good basics with that.

Suralin · « **Reply #10 on:** 11 December 2013, 07:05:28 »

Corsair and Stuka can be found in TRO:3039 and the record sheets thereof.

wolfgar · « **Reply #11 on:** 18 December 2013, 19:11:22 »

Gonna take a little bit to get those fighter rebuilds done, 3039 happens to be one of the books I don't have. That said, I'm currently working on a Mule CV build that looks like pure murder. 18 each fighters and small craft and then 90 battle armor bays and 18 foot infantry platoons bays

Hellraiser · « **Reply #12 on:** 12 January 2014, 18:22:19 »

Quote from: wolfgar on 18 December 2013, 19:11:22

Gonna take a little bit to get those fighter rebuilds done, 3039 happens to be one of the books I don't have. That said, I'm currently working on a Mule CV build that looks like pure murder. 18 each fighters and small craft and then 90 battle armor bays and 18 foot infantry platoons bays

You know, as much as I like the Mule.
I'd have to promote the Overlord for this platform.
Its almost as big, and you have the Standard, A3, and unstated CV models to base it off of.
If you used 18 (20-24) Fighters and only 6/12 Small Craft, I think you'd have plenty of room for some more armor/weapons & the infantry bays.
Maybe do 64 BA to match a normal sized unit and 9-12 Jump platoons to represent "space" marines.
Just food for thought.

Hellraiser · « **Reply #13 on:** 12 January 2014, 18:55:17 »

I'm going to throw out my 2 favorite SLDF Light Fighters revamped for 3145

First up, the Zero, with XL, ER, & Reflective.

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AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
VALIDATED

Class/Model/Name: Zero ZRO-198
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3098
Vessel Type: Aerospace Fighter
Rules: Level 3, Modified design
Rules Set: AeroTech2

Mass: 35 tons
Frame: Saroyan Cavalier
Power Plant: Bangkock 210 XL Fusion
Safe Thrust: 8
Maximum Thrust: 12
Armor Type: *Laser Reflective Aero*
Armament:
2 ER Medium Laser
1 ER Large Laser
Manufacturer: Blow/Hookson
Location: New Earth
Communications System: Orbitcom Model 11
Targeting & Tracking System: PS/1/12
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name: Zero ZRO-198
Mass: 35 tons

Equipment: Mass
Power Plant: 210 XL Fusion 4.50
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 8
Maximum Thrust: 12
Structural Integrity: 8 .00
Total Heat Sinks: 11 Double 1.00
Fuel: 7.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters: 3.00
Armor Type: *Laser Reflective Aero* (200 total armor pts) 12.50
Standard Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Nose: 72
Left/Right Wings: 43/43
Aft: 42

Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 ER Medium Laser Nose 5 5 -- -- 5 1.00
1 ER Large Laser Nose 8 8 8 -- 12 5.00
1 ER Medium Laser Nose 5 5 -- -- 5 1.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS: Heat: 22 35.00
Tons Left: .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 4,121,606 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,111
Cost per BV: 3,709.82
Weapon Value: 1,711 (Ratio = 1.54)
Damage Factors: SRV = 17; MRV = 13; LRV = 2; ERV = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 8, Armor/Structure: 5 / 0
Damage PB/M/L: 2/2/1, Overheat: 0
Class: FL; Point Value: 11

And Next, a major revamp of the Trident-Royal bulking it up 5 tons.

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AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
VALIDATED

Class/Model/Name: Trident TRN-36T
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3136
Vessel Type: Aerospace Fighter
Rules: Level 3, Modified design
Rules Set: AeroTech2

Mass: 25 tons
Frame: Newhall 3P5
Length: 12 meters
Power Plant: Rawlings 200 XL Fusion
Safe Thrust: 10
Maximum Thrust: 15
Armor Type: *Heavy Ferro-Aluminum*
Armament:
3 Med X-Pulse Laser
1 ER Medium Laser
Manufacturer: Newhart Industries
Communications System: 42 Transitar
Targeting & Tracking System: O/P 3000
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name: Trident TRN-36T
Mass: 25 tons

Equipment: Mass
Power Plant: 200 XL Fusion 4.50
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 10
Maximum Thrust: 15
Structural Integrity: 10 .00
Total Heat Sinks: 10 Double .00
Fuel: 5.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters: 3.00
Armor Type: *Heavy Ferro-Aluminum* (109 total armor pts) 5.50
Standard Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Nose: 42
Left/Right Wings: 23/23
Aft: 21

Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Med X-Pulse Laser Nose 6 -- -- -- 6 2.00
1 Med X-Pulse Laser RW 6 -- -- -- 6 2.00
1 Med X-Pulse Laser LW 6 -- -- -- 6 2.00
1 ER Medium Laser Aft 5 5 -- -- 5 1.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS: Heat: 23 25.00
Tons Left: .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 3,112,969 C-Bills
Battle Value: 916
Cost per BV: 3,398.44
Weapon Value: 1,150 (Ratio = 1.26)
Damage Factors: SRV = 20; MRV = 3; LRV = 0; ERV = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 10, Armor/Structure: 3 / 0
Damage PB/M/L: 2/-/-, Overheat: 0
Class: FL; Point Value: 9

RebelRunner · « **Reply #14 on:** 12 January 2014, 18:56:23 »

I'd have to choose the Shiva for a rebuild. I'd drop ten tons of pod space to double its armor protection, for starters. Either that, or go to a 340 engine to hit that 6/9 thrust curve.

Hellraiser · « **Reply #15 on:** 12 January 2014, 19:04:30 »

Oh heck, 1 more SLDF bird given a new life in the post-Jihad era.

A major spin to the Royal-Hammerhead.

iHG, LPL-c, & 2 ERMLs combine with XL, Heavy-FA, & bigger fuel tank from the HE.

I think she's a Dropship Killer.

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AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
* CUSTOM WEAPON

Class/Model/Name: Hammerhead HMR-HGI
Tech: Mixed Tech / 3145
Vessel Type: Aerospace Fighter
Rules: Level 3, Modified design
Rules Set: AeroTech2

Mass: 75 tons
Frame: Lockheed BR65
Power Plant: Pitban 375 XL Fusion (IS)
Safe Thrust: 7
Maximum Thrust: 11
Armor Type: *Heavy Ferro-Aluminum*
Armament:
1 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle(IS)*
1 Large Pulse Laser (C)
2 ER Medium Laser(IS)
Manufacturer: Boeing Interstellar
Communications System: Lassitor FibroLink
Targeting & Tracking System: BANDAR 9
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name: Hammerhead HMR-HGI
Mass: 75 tons

Equipment: Mass
Power Plant: 375 XL Fusion 19.50
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 7
Maximum Thrust: 11
Structural Integrity: 7 .00
Total Heat Sinks: 11 Double 1.00
Fuel: 7.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters: 3.00
Armor Type: *Heavy Ferro-Aluminum* (287 total armor pts) 14.50
Standard Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Nose: 92
Left/Right Wings: 72/72
Aft: 51

Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle(IS)* Nose 22 22 22 -- 2 20.00
Ammo (I-Heavy G-R) 8 --- 2.00
1 Large Pulse Laser (C) Nose 10 10 10 -- 10 6.00
1 ER Medium Laser(IS) RW 5 5 -- -- 5 1.00
1 ER Medium Laser(IS) LW 5 5 -- -- 5 1.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS: Heat: 22 75.00
Tons Left: .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 13,448,394 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,325
Cost per BV: 5,784.26
Weapon Value: 2,434 (Ratio = 1.05)
Damage Factors: SRV = 39; MRV = 32; LRV = 11; ERV = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 7, Armor/Structure: 7 / 0
Damage PB/M/L: 4/4/3, Overheat: 0
Class: FH; Point Value: 23

Prince of Darkness · « **Reply #16 on:** 12 January 2014, 22:02:32 »

With 7 tons of fuel it's gonna need way more than just 8 rounds of ammo. I'd either drop the ER Lasers for more, or be completely out-of-your-mind nutty, dropping the lasers for more ammo, Blue shield, and +2 LAMS systems.

Hellraiser · « **Reply #17 on:** 12 January 2014, 23:57:48 »

Quote from: Prince of Darkness on 12 January 2014, 22:02:32

With 7 tons of fuel it's gonna need way more than just 8 rounds of ammo. I'd either drop the ER Lasers for more, or be completely out-of-your-mind nutty, dropping the lasers for more ammo, Blue shield, and +2 LAMS systems.

You sir are correct. I'm not sure what happened, I had given it 24 rounds of ammo at one point in the creation process. Not sure how it got dropped down to just 8. Time to alter a few things.

wolfgar · « **Reply #18 on:** 18 January 2014, 13:11:07 »

Also 5 tons of fuel seems to be common in fighters. Just got TRO3039 so I'll have those rebuilds done soon.

Hellraiser · « **Reply #19 on:** 18 January 2014, 16:51:53 »

Quote from: wolfgar on 18 January 2014, 13:11:07

Also 5 tons of fuel seems to be common in fighters. Just got TRO3039 so I'll have those rebuilds done soon.

It is common. Which is why I like to sometimes give a fighter more than that. ;)

That said, I've adjusted the lasers, fuel, & ammo, to account for the glitch above.
After bringing the ammo up to 20 rounds, I decided to change things up a bit & stick the rest into Armor, this bird is meant to attack dropships & as such the extra armor feels right.

Here she is.

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AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
* CUSTOM WEAPON

Class/Model/Name: Hammerhead HMR-HIG
Tech: Mixed Tech / 3100
Vessel Type: Aerospace Fighter
Rules: Level 3, Modified design
Rules Set: AeroTech2

Mass: 75 tons
Frame: Lockheed BR65
Power Plant: Pitban 375 XL Fusion (IS)
Safe Thrust: 7
Maximum Thrust: 11
Armor Type: *Heavy Ferro-Aluminum (IS)*
Armament:
1 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle(IS)*
1 Large Pulse Laser (C)
Manufacturer: Boeing Interstellar
Communications System: Lassitor FibroLink
Targeting & Tracking System: BANDAR 9
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name: Hammerhead HMR-HIG
Mass: 75 tons

Equipment: Mass
Power Plant: 375 XL Fusion 19.50
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 7
Maximum Thrust: 11
Structural Integrity: 7 .00
Total Heat Sinks: 10 Double .00
Fuel: 5.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters: 3.00
Armor Type: *Heavy Ferro-Aluminum (IS)* (317 total armor pts 16.00
Standard Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Nose: 102
Left/Right Wings: 72/72
Aft: 71

Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle(IS)* Nose 22 22 22 -- 2 20.00
Ammo (I-Heavy G-R) 20 --- 5.00
1 Large Pulse Laser (C) Nose 10 10 10 -- 10 6.00
1 C.A.S.E. Equipment (IS) Body .50
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS: Heat: 12 75.00
Tons Left: .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 13,422,406 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,418
Cost per BV: 5,551.04
Weapon Value: 2,371 (Ratio = .98)
Damage Factors: SRV = 30; MRV = 25; LRV = 11; ERV = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 7, Armor/Structure: 8 / 0
Damage PB/M/L: 3/3/3, Overheat: 0
Class: FH; Point Value: 24

Stormrider · « **Reply #20 on:** 21 February 2014, 20:50:10 »

Hey RebelRunner, Have you worked up that Shiva re-build???

misterpants · « **Reply #21 on:** 22 February 2014, 18:42:31 »

Quote from: Hellraiser on 12 January 2014, 19:04:30

Oh heck, 1 more SLDF bird given a new life in the post-Jihad era.

A major spin to the Royal-Hammerhead.

iHG, LPL-c, & 2 ERMLs combine with XL, Heavy-FA, & bigger fuel tank from the HE.

I think she's a Dropship Killer.

I went with something more...beatsticky and IS tech.

RebelRunner · « **Reply #22 on:** 22 February 2014, 20:47:57 »

Quote from: Stormrider on 21 February 2014, 20:50:10

Hey RebelRunner, Have you worked up that Shiva re-build???

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Class/Model/Name: Shiva SHVA-O

Vessel Type: Aerospace Fighter
Mass: 85 tons
Frame: SHV X2
Power Plant: 255 XL Fusion
Safe Thrust: 5
Maximum Thrust: 8
Armor Type: *Laser Reflective Aero*
Armament:
   44.50t pod space
Manufacturer: Gutierrez Aerospace
Location: Ellsworth
Communications System: Lassitor-5A
Targeting & Tracking System: Wasat Aggressor Type 6F w/Omnilink
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name: SHVA-OB 'Super Shiva'
Mass: 35 tons

Equipment: Mass
Power Plant: 255 XL Fusion 6.50
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 5
Maximum Thrust: 8
Structural Integrity: 9 .00
Total Heat Sinks: 18 Double 8.00
Fuel: 5.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters: 3.00
Armor Type: *Laser Reflective Aero* (323 total armor pts) 18.00
Standard Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Nose: 95
Left/Right Wings: 76/76
Aft: 76

Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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Streak LRM-15          LW     15 15 15 -- 5   7.00
Streak LRM-15          LW     15 15 15 -- 5   7.00
Streak LRM-15          RW     15 15 15 -- 5   7.00
Streak LRM-15          RW     15 15 15 -- 5   7.00
   Ammo (SLRM-15) 32 ---                  4.00
IS ER PPC     Nose 10 10 10 -- 15 7.00
Beagle Active Probe     Nose                  1.50
Guardian ECM        Aft                  1.50
IS Medium Pulse Laser     Aft 6 -- -- -- 4 2.00
IS ER Small Laser Aft 3 -- -- -- 2 0.50
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS: Heat: 41 85.00
Tons Left: .00

I upped the armor protection to eighteen tons, greater than the 20% 'complete protection' threshold (it's 21.17%, to be precise...). This drops pod space from 52.5 5 to 44.5 tons, but as we're building for 3145, fun mixed-tech shenanigans can make up for this slight decrease. Armor is arranged 95/76/76; she's immune to crits from IS ERLLs on all facings and all but the heaviest ordnance on the nose.

I've only worked up this config so far; it's a successor to the Macross Missile Massacre that is the SHV-OB. Mixed-tech seems to be somewhat in vogue in 3145, and I thought that the Streaks would be a good substitute for the loss in throw-weight. The ER PPC is there if the Streaks run dry (eight rounds apiece, so that'll take a fair while) and in case of AMS, while the fighter also mounts a full electronics suite. I see her as being a dropper-popper and general fire-support platform.

Prince of Darkness · « **Reply #23 on:** 23 February 2014, 02:12:03 »

No CASE? YOU FOOOLLLLLL

RebelRunner · « **Reply #24 on:** 23 February 2014, 10:36:34 »

Quote from: Prince of Darkness on 23 February 2014, 02:12:03

No CASE? YOU FOOOLLLLLL

I worked this up manually, without HMA, and don't recall which of the thirty thousand reference books covers CASE on ASFs...