RS 3085U The Cutting Edge

[Klat]

I just downloaded RS 3085U The Cutting Edge and I have to say I'm pretty darn happy. For some reason the HCT-6M really struck me as fun and the WHD-10CT was something I was very happy to have an official RS for. Oh, and the MNL-3W is in the IS section despite being all clan tech... I assume on purpose.

Anything stick out for anyone else?

[Kit deSummersville]

There's this big, nasty Clan 'Mech that moves 4/6/7 and one of those has a pretty big gun...

[Bosefius]

The Blade, in all of it's incarnations, looks like a nasty mech that I can't wait to see on the table. The Hatchetman with the Heavy PPC is brilliant, it's actually something I have done playing with HM Pro and SSW. And the Mjolinor just makes me smile. I don't know why but I desperately want to see it race across the board and head cap someone with a 12 point 'hammer' blow.

On the Clan side, the Hellstar. Ummm...ouch!!

[Klep]

It's nothing amazingly special, but I really liked seeing the AS7-Dr.  It's nice to see another refit of the old AS7-D that, like the S and unlike the K, is fairly simple and effective.  It's also hilarious to see the experimental Kuma and a Targe variant that isn't completely horrible. :P

[Kit deSummersville]

It's also hilarious to see the experimental Kuma and a Targe variant that isn't completely horrible. :P

You did look at the legs, right?

[Klep]

It's also hilarious to see the experimental Kuma and a Targe variant that isn't completely horrible. :P

You did look at the legs, right?

Oh it's definitely still largely horrible, just not completely so.

[StCptMara]

There's this big, nasty Clan 'Mech that moves 4/6/7 and one of those has a pretty big gun...

Technically, that 4/6/7 is ONLY when it is in a certain degree of atmosphere...
Actually..I wish they had not included all the effects of the partial wing in the heat and jump profiles, since those
do variant based on the type of atmosphere you are fighting in...

Also, I must ask: while I can understand that Dropships and such are a pain..what was wrong with the WiGEs?
I had players who were hoping for the WiGEs to be in 3085: cutting edge so they could use them in an upcoming local
tournament, but....well, since there are no published sheets, they are not tournament legal.

[JPArbiter]

anyone notice the Error on the Kahru?  the Primary Variant is the C, there is a variant that we have never seen before, AND we have no proper Primary sheet outside the print record sheets product.

I dig the Jihad Era Wasp and Phoenix Hawk LAM, it makes me wonder what Divisions if any deployed them (52nd, 39th, and a few of the more elite shadows that tend to focus on Mobility)

the Intro Tech Eisenfaust is wicked cool, I wanna see it in the succession war field

[Kit deSummersville]

There's this big, nasty Clan 'Mech that moves 4/6/7 and one of those has a pretty big gun...

Technically, that 4/6/7 is ONLY when it is in a certain degree of atmosphere...
Actually..I wish they had not included all the effects of the partial wing in the heat and jump profiles, since those
do variant based on the type of atmosphere you are fighting in...

I imagine it was done for the ease of use. Most folks probably don't use many different atmospheres and those that do are probably more capable of adapting than those who don't.

Also, I must ask: while I can understand that Dropships and such are a pain..what was wrong with the WiGEs?
I had players who were hoping for the WiGEs to be in 3085: cutting edge so they could use them in an upcoming local
tournament, but....well, since there are no published sheets, they are not tournament legal.

I'd guess it has to do with the software.

[Klat]

Pardon my ignorance but where is the illustraition for the OSP-15 from?

[ColBosch]

I dig the Jihad Era Wasp and Phoenix Hawk LAM, it makes me wonder what Divisions if any deployed them (52nd, 39th, and a few of the more elite shadows that tend to focus on Mobility)

Too bad the Jihad Stinger LAM generated too much laugh-spittle to make it in. :D

[StCptMara]

Too bad the Jihad Stinger LAM generated too much laugh-spittle to make it in. :D

Erph? Wow...really? That bad? Makes me wonder what would make something so bad that TPTB would
not include it in canon...Noting that the Jihad Wasp LAM is something that I would be very nervous
about facing...not so much the Jihad Phoenix Hawk LAM(I would be more worried about its friends
that it is spotting for!)

[Moonsword]

Also, I must ask: while I can understand that Dropships and such are a pain..what was wrong with the WiGEs?
I had players who were hoping for the WiGEs to be in 3085: cutting edge so they could use them in an upcoming local
tournament, but....well, since there are no published sheets, they are not tournament legal.

The Fensalir and Pandion's basic designs are easily doable if you can trust someone to fill out the sheets correctly - the information in TRO3085 is everything you need to fill one out.  The variants are more problematic, though.

[cavingjan]

It is nice to see the second versino of the targe. Too bad we still don't have left to right symmetry.  The ERLL Ostwar is nice too.

I'm just not sure which version of the ebony I want to try first.

[ColBosch]

Erph? Wow...really? That bad? Makes me wonder what would make something so bad that TPTB would
not include it in canon...Noting that the Jihad Wasp LAM is something that I would be very nervous
about facing...not so much the Jihad Phoenix Hawk LAM(I would be more worried about its friends
that it is spotting for!)

Oh yeah, it was bad. It defined "munchkin" in a way that shouldn't be canon.

[Moonsword]

Oh yeah, it was bad. It defined "munchkin" in a way that shouldn't be canon.

The fact that the Hellstar and Sphinx made it into the book with a remark like this concerns me.  It also makes me really curious about that Stinger LAM.

[StCptMara]

The Fensalir and Pandion's basic designs are easily doable if you can trust someone to fill out the sheets correctly - the information in TRO3085 is everything you need to fill one out.  The variants are more problematic, though.

See..that is the thing: you can only use things that have canon sheets produced by CGL in a tournament. Yes, it is easy to hand do the
stats, but that doesn't change the tournament rules.

Oh yeah, it was bad. It defined "munchkin" in a way that shouldn't be canon.

Not sure how...since LAMs can only have Composite Internal Structure and Double Heat Sinks...So, it would only have gained like a ton...
not sure what could be done with that that would make it "the definition of munchkin" much more then the Gausszilla or pulse+TC Pariah...

[Kit deSummersville]

Oh yeah, it was bad. It defined "munchkin" in a way that shouldn't be canon.

Because there's none of that in RS 3085.  ;)

[ColBosch]

Not sure how...since LAMs can only have Composite Internal Structure and Double Heat Sinks...So, it would only have gained like a ton...
not sure what could be done with that that would make it "the definition of munchkin" much more then the Gausszilla or pulse+TC Pariah...

It had a movement profile best compared to aerospace fighters...in AirMech mode.

[megatrons2nd]

LAM's can have Composite IS?  Where did you find this out?

[JPArbiter]

LAM's can have Composite IS?  Where did you find this out?

I think that he meant "Standard" IS, and they can deploy sing heat sinks as well, though that spells heat death for AirMechs under new rules.  It turns the 3025 LAMs from Gods among mechs to barely manageable messes.

[Moonsword]

LAM's can have Composite IS?  Where did you find this out?

One of the ones in the RS volume has it.

See..that is the thing: you can only use things that have canon sheets produced by CGL in a tournament. Yes, it is easy to hand do the
stats, but that doesn't change the tournament rules.

Out of curiosity, where are these rules?

[Nebfer]

And who thought that the Ostscout 7K was under armed, the Kuma 3 has no weapons what so ever  :D
on the other hand the Kuma is almost twice the weight of the Ostscout and has nearly the same mobility. Well at lest you could give it a 6 ton hand held weapons pod.

And RS for the Fennec yea, The Blade looks nice, though Im a bit worried about it's weapons, their all on the Right arm...

[JPArbiter]

And who thought that the Ostscout 7K was under armed, the Kuma 3 has no weapons what so ever  :D
on the other hand the Kuma is almost twice the weight of the Ostscout and has nearly the same mobility. Well at lest you could give it a 6 ton hand held weapons pod.

And RS for the Fennec yea, The Blade looks nice, though Im a bit worried about it's weapons, their all on the Right arm...

its a shame that the Handheld weapon pod requires heat sinks, cause a heavy large laser would be an awesome gun for that Kuma. by my read you are lucky to mount a decent sized LRM or SSRM rack

[Welshman]

Hello,

Missing Record Sheets: The DropShips and WiGEs will be included in a free update to RS3085U. At the time of release, we were still encountering issues with the automated software for these designs. We chose to release the product now, and update when we have sorted out those issues.

OSP-15 Art: This was a concept art piece done by one of our artists. It has never been published, until now.

Best,
Joel BC

[ColBosch]

Also, the handheld weapons pods for the Kuma 3 will be in the update.

Right, Joel? 8)

[Nebfer]

And who thought that the Ostscout 7K was under armed, the Kuma 3 has no weapons what so ever  :D
on the other hand the Kuma is almost twice the weight of the Ostscout and has nearly the same mobility. Well at lest you could give it a 6 ton hand held weapons pod.

And RS for the Fennec yea, The Blade looks nice, though Im a bit worried about it's weapons, their all on the Right arm...

its a shame that the Handheld weapon pod requires heat sinks, cause a heavy large laser would be an awesome gun for that Kuma. by my read you are lucky to mount a decent sized LRM or SSRM rack

I believe Ballistic and Missile weapons do not require heat sinks and ammo can be done by the shot, per the errata page.

[Leonard Kerensky]

Hello,

Missing Record Sheets: The DropShips and WiGEs will be included in a free update to RS3085U. At the time of release, we were still encountering issues with the automated software for these designs. We chose to release the product now, and update when we have sorted out those issues.

OSP-15 Art: This was a concept art piece done by one of our artists. It has never been published, until now.

Best,
Joel BC

how soon? whats the ETA? >.> i really wanna use my Hiyro's in combat. i've had painted miniatures for them since last xmas!!

[ColBosch]

I believe Ballistic and Missile weapons do not require heat sinks and ammo can be done by the shot, per the errata page.

They do not require heat sinks, but you still have to follow the standard rules for ammo mass (i.e., 1 ton for most weapons, 0.5 tons for machine guns) unless using the optional Fractional Accounting rules.

[Moonsword]

how soon? whats the ETA? >.> i really wanna use my Hiyro's in combat. i've had painted miniatures for them since last xmas!!

The Hiryo sheets are in RS3075 Unabridged.