Can The FedSuns Save Itself In the iLClan Era?

[Wrangler]

Do we know if any other "sandbox" sourcebooks will include anything about FedSun's troubles or State of the Draconis Combine?

From what I can tell is either the DC going try resume actions against the FedSuns once last of the Republican unclaimed space is taken or
information suggested in previous books that DC going turn on itself as Yori Kurita tries fight for her independence from a Shogun like leader whom been operating and pulling her strings from the shadows since late 3130s.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Do we know if any other "sandbox" sourcebooks will include anything about FedSun's troubles or State of the Draconis Combine?

From what I can tell is either the DC going try resume actions against the FedSuns once last of the Republican unclaimed space is taken or
information suggested in previous books that DC going turn on itself as Yori Kurita tries fight for her independence from a Shogun like leader whom been operating and pulling her strings from the shadows since late 3130s.

Yes, Dominions Divided was announced in the Tamar Rising previews. It covers Fed Suns, Dracs, and the RasDom, and presumably will include some snow Raven stuff. It will be the third in the series. Empires Aflame will be the next, focusing on FWL, ‘southern’ LC proper, and the Wolf Empires holdings in that area. That leaves the fourth book to be about the CC and it’s periphery allies, and probably their push towards terra (or there wouldn’t be much conflict)

[Middcore]

It will be the third in the series. Empires Aflame will be the next, focusing on FWL, ‘southern’ LC proper, and the Wolf Empires holdings in that area.

*Empire Alone

Empires Aflame was an AToW module.

[Wrangler]

Yes, Dominions Divided was announced in the Tamar Rising previews. It covers Fed Suns, Dracs, and the RasDom, and presumably will include some snow Raven stuff. It will be the third in the series. Empires Aflame will be the next, focusing on FWL, ‘southern’ LC proper, and the Wolf Empires holdings in that area. That leaves the fourth book to be about the CC and it’s periphery allies, and probably their push towards terra (or there wouldn’t be much conflict)

Ack, I missed the announcement about Dominions Divided.

[BrianDavion]

i'm def curious whats happening with dominions divided, I kinda wonder if the dracs called an end to their civil war too soon

[Frank]

Julian still has that mystery phone card given to him by Gavin way back around the time the wall went up around the republic. As far as know he hasn't used it yet. Gavin and his organization said there would be a price paid is he called to use. Wonder if that thread will come back into use.
What do they have to offer Julian that will help out the Suns?

Also, Will Alaric birth heritage come out? How will any critics/allies/enemies of Alaric use it to their benefit?

[BrianDavion]

Julian still has that mystery phone card given to him by Gavin way back around the time the wall went up around the republic. As far as know he hasn't used it yet. Gavin and his organization said there would be a price paid is he called to use. Wonder if that thread will come back into use.
What do they have to offer Julian that will help out the Suns?

Also, Will Alaric birth heritage come out? How will any critics/allies/enemies of Alaric use it to their benefit?

I'd forgot about that. it'd be intreasting to see something come of it. it'd be nice to see more of VSD's children. they've been sort of forgotten about which honestly is a bit odd.

[Metallgewitter]

Julian still has that mystery phone card given to him by Gavin way back around the time the wall went up around the republic. As far as know he hasn't used it yet. Gavin and his organization said there would be a price paid is he called to use. Wonder if that thread will come back into use.
What do they have to offer Julian that will help out the Suns?

Also, Will Alaric birth heritage come out? How will any critics/allies/enemies of Alaric use it to their benefit?

Don't you mean Eric? Eric Sanoval was given a card by "One-Eye" Jack before he arrived on Terra. Did Julian recieve the same? Or was that something else? Eric actually used that service quiet frequently which meant his expenses wnet through the roof. Though I think this might be the private intelligence service that was founded right after the jihad (the one mentioned in the IE§ source book)

[BrianDavion]

Don't you mean Eric? Eric Sanoval was given a card by "One-Eye" Jack before he arrived on Terra. Did Julian recieve the same? Or was that something else? Eric actually used that service quiet frequently which meant his expenses wnet through the roof. Though I think this might be the private intelligence service that was founded right after the jihad (the one mentioned in the IE§ source book)

I'm curious what's going to be done with Eric TBH... frankly the guy seems ambitious and all that, I'm kinda afraid that the whole fedsuns portion of "dominions divided is going to be eric making a power play or something. if the fedsuns after all it's trouble is basicly carved up into mini states I'm gonna be a bit annoyed

[VensersRevenge]

If microstates to "increase player agency" while screwing over the factions players actually care about is the plan for every book, not just Tamar Rising, that certainly is a possibility.

However, I don't think that is as likely without the disintegration of an OZ, and it was somewhat credibility straining even then. At worst I could see the Draconis Reach deciding they don't want to be a proxy war battleground for decades again, but it simply isn't believable that either the Suns or the Combine would leave planets unclaimed. They are both far more militaristic than the Lyrans. And I would hope that TPTB would think that the Suns aren't stupid enough to  have a power struggle while New Avalon is occupied.

[Rorke]

I think national interest, will ultimately override personal ambition.

Erik Sandoval gains more, at the right hand of Julian than he might
should he try to make a play.  He lacks the right surname, he knows
it. 

Besides, aside the odd misstep Julian has done well.  The key to everything
is timing.  A move on NA needs to happen, it's imperative.  It's mostly
symbolic, regaining the capital sends everyone a message.  There's also the
matter of it, shaming the Combine.  The ripples from it, I'd imagine will be
very significant. 

On the matter of the Taurians, there's some form of detente there right now.  They've
permitted us to ship supplies, across their space.  We've not made hostile moves for
decades, whilst the CC occupies a few of their worlds currently.  I'd not bet against them
throwing the odd spanner, in that direction rather than towards the FS. 

[BrianDavion]

There's also the
matter of it, shaming the Combine.  The ripples from it, I'd imagine will be
very significant. 

on this Rorke I tend to agree. the fact is that Yori Sakamoto Kurita has a pretty weak claim to the throne all considered. she's managed to hold it through a powerful patron in the form of Toranaga, and her fantastic military sucesses against House Davion, if these gains suffer considerable reversals, and it so happens she loses the support of Toranaga (perhaps slain by the feddies, or worse.. there's an actual split between them and he becomes an enemy)
if the cordinator starts to lose control, each of the district warlords might go semi-independant while offering only lip service to the cordinator. this would keep the DC intact sure but the result would be a divided nation that would struggle to conduct any large scale operations.

[Wrangler]

on this Rorke I tend to agree. the fact is that Yori Sakamoto Kurita has a pretty weak claim to the throne all considered. she's managed to hold it through a powerful patron in the form of Toranaga, and her fantastic military successes against House Davion, if these gains suffer considerable reversals, and it so happens she loses the support of Toranaga (perhaps slain by the feddies, or worse.. there's an actual split between them and he becomes an enemy)
if the coordinator starts to lose control, each of the district warlords might go semi-independent while offering only lip service to the coordinator. this would keep the DC intact sure but the result would be a divided nation that would struggle to conduct any large scale operations.

I'm sure there some cousin everyone forgotten about that could arguably take throne.  Again there Victor's son Kitsune Kurita had two daughters  whom arguably be (to me) hilarious if they would be able to claim it.

[Valkerie]

Besides, aside the odd misstep Julian has done well.  The key to everything
is timing.  A move on NA needs to happen, it's imperative.  It's mostly
symbolic, regaining the capital sends everyone a message.  There's also the
matter of it, shaming the Combine.  The ripples from it, I'd imagine will be
very significant. 

It would.  That would be the rallying cry the Fed Suns desperately needs.  Couple that with news that the Dragoon's are a non-factor now, and the tide would turn in Julian's favor.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

I'm sure there some cousin everyone forgotten about that could arguably take throne.  Again there Victor's son Kitsune Kurita had two daughters  whom arguably be (to me) hilarious if they would be able to claim it.

I thought once he took up with comstar he and his children had to denounce any claims to either Half of the FedCom.

Although given the state of everything that might not really matter.

[Frank]

I thought once he took up with comstar he and his children had to denounce any claims to either Half of the FedCom.

Although given the state of everything that might not really matter.

Yes he did. Doesn't mean he maybe keep influence behind the scenes. Not sure if he was able to do that in the Lyran half. But I suspect he had a better chance in the Davion half. Given the post jihad write ups on things. It sounded the way David Lear wrote them. He suspected Victor had fingers in the pie in Davion space. All I have read gives the impression Victor had more of relationship with Yvonne then he did with Peter. Given Yvonne was with him during the later stages of the Fedcom Civil War and the Beginning of the Jihad. Given the reason Victor was late to Case White given he was escorting Yvonne home.

Would be nice to see more of VSD descendants involved in what is going on.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Yes he did. Doesn't mean he maybe keep influence behind the scenes. Not sure if he was able to do that in the Lyran half. But I suspect he had a better chance in the Davion half. Given the post jihad write ups on things. It sounded the way David Lear wrote them. He suspected Victor had fingers in the pie in Davion space. All I have read gives the impression Victor had more of relationship with Yvonne then he did with Peter. Given Yvonne was with him during the later stages of the Fedcom Civil War and the Beginning of the Jihad. Given the reason Victor was late to Case White given he was escorting Yvonne home.

Would be nice to see more of VSD descendants involved in what is going on.

His children never got much time to shine, as Victor himself stayed in the spot light for a long time.
Perhaps his grandchildren will reappear in Dominions Divided.

[ANS Kamas P81]

Would be nice to see more of VSD descendants involved in what is going on.

I disagree there, I think VSD has been a presence in Battletech long enough and it's time for his shadow to exit the stage.  The idea of Battletech following his line like Star Wars does the Skywalkers and making them the only movers and shapers of the universe honestly annoys me.

Vic had his day.  He can have kids that don't rock the galaxy, let someone else new come into play.

[Mendrugo]

I thought once he took up with comstar he and his children had to denounce any claims to either Half of the FedCom.

Part of the treaty ending the FedCom Civil War in 3067 required both Victor and Katherine to sign away their rights and those of their descendants, in perpetuity, to the thrones of New Avalon and Tharkad.  So, Alaric's claim to be the rightful heir to the Archonship is legally null and void.  (Of course, if he wants to claim it by right of conquest, that's right and proper under Clan law.)

[VensersRevenge]

It's a feudal setting, bloodlines matter. I would prefer a descendant of Hanse on the throne, even if I like Julian, and Victor's children are the only option.

[BrianDavion]

I thought once he took up with comstar he and his children had to denounce any claims to either Half of the FedCom.

Although given the state of everything that might not really matter.

we're talking about House Kurita though. and Kitsune and his children SHOULDN'T have much of a claim given that we're talking about the bastard child of a Cordinators daughter. however given Yori's own ascendancy this is not an issue. given this Kitsune has, arguably a stronger claim. (which really more then anything illustrates how laughably weak Yori's own claim is)

to find a LEGITIMATE claimant to the throne you'd proably have to go back up the line to Isoruko Kurita (Theodore's Cousin and his children)

I disagree there, I think VSD has been a presence in Battletech long enough and it's time for his shadow to exit the stage.  The idea of Battletech following his line like Star Wars does the Skywalkers and making them the only movers and shapers of the universe honestly annoys me.

Vic had his day.  He can have kids that don't rock the galaxy, let someone else new come into play.

No offense man but if you don't want a world where bloodlines are important you picked a strange setting to latch onto, battletech is all about feudal nobility after all

[Mendrugo]

Depending on how far back you want to go, the offspring of the secret Rhean Marik/Zane Davion line could finally emerge from hiding and claim dibs on New Avalon.

[Metallgewitter]

we're talking about House Kurita though. and Kitsune and his children SHOULDN'T have much of a claim given that we're talking about the bastard child of a Cordinators daughter. however given Yori's own ascendancy this is not an issue. given this Kitsune has, arguably a stronger claim. (which really more then anything illustrates how laughably weak Yori's own claim is)

to find a LEGITIMATE claimant to the throne you'd proably have to go back up the line to Isoruko Kurita (Theodore's Cousin and his children)


No offense man but if you don't want a world where bloodlines are important you picked a strange setting to latch onto, battletech is all about feudal nobility after all

Interestingly enough in Ghost War Mason Dunne remarks that some conservative Combine nobles considered Kitsune as a potential throne candidate as Vincent was seen as rather weak. And once Kitsune came out claiming "Victor is my father" those same nobles comitted seppuku because they backed someone with Davion blood. The question is was he excluded from taking the throne? I mean yes Hohiro took the throne and then one oif his sons took it but it was never made clear if his right was revoked (then again he became a Knight of the Republic so I guess that alone makes him "dishinherited")

Oh and talking about hers: from Victors generation it seems only he has left a long line of family members. Kai's family is dead, Hohiro's too, Sun Tzu 's family is running low on numbers. Technically Ragnar and Phelan might have descendants though not in the way the typical IS noble family views it.

[BrianDavion]

Interestingly enough in Ghost War Mason Dunne remarks that some conservative Combine nobles considered Kitsune as a potential throne candidate as Vincent was seen as rather weak. And once Kitsune came out claiming "Victor is my father" those same nobles comitted seppuku because they backed someone with Davion blood. The question is was he excluded from taking the throne? I mean yes Hohiro took the throne and then one oif his sons took it but it was never made clear if his right was revoked (then again he became a Knight of the Republic so I guess that alone makes him "dishinherited")

Oh and talking about hers: from Victors generation it seems only he has left a long line of family members. Kai's family is dead, Hohiro's too, Sun Tzu 's family is running low on numbers. Technically Ragnar and Phelan might have descendants though not in the way the typical IS noble family views it.

Kitsune is the bastard son of the daughter of the cordinator (the DC generally doesn't like female rulers) he'd not  NORMALLY be considered in line for the throne but  Yori's claim is no better so...

[Wrangler]

Kitsune is the bastard son of the daughter of the cordinator (the DC generally doesn't like female rulers) he'd not  NORMALLY be considered in line for the throne but  Yori's claim is no better so...

You right. Kitsune's daughters are essentially same generations removed from Theodore Kurita.
Kitsune's age would make him too old now to be viable Coordinator.

[Mendrugo]

Kitsune's age would make him too old now to be viable Coordinator.

In a nation that was happy to appoint Siriwan Coordinator for the third time at age 109?

[Metallgewitter]

In a nation that was happy to appoint Siriwan Coordinator for the third time at age 109?

And they had Takiro Kurita for how long as a coordinator? He served 74 years and he died in office when he was 130 years old. So age is not really a problem in the BT univerese

[GreekFire]

I'm sure there some cousin everyone forgotten about that could arguably take throne.  Again there Victor's son Kitsune Kurita had two daughters  whom arguably be (to me) hilarious if they would be able to claim it.

Let's go Kisho! He's got a more solid claim for the Dragon Throne than most Kuritans out there.

[Decoy]

I prefer Nikol Brahe if she's still alive. Chances are high she's not so... :(

Whatever happens with the Combine, the Confederation, and the Snow Ravens, it must hurt them. It must feel like a dagger has been inserted into somewhere vital. Daoshen's death won't do that. Torinaga's death won't do that. It can't be something that ultimately helps them in the long run. The answer to the question of "Why did it happen" must be "Your faction played nasty. What did you think was going to happen?"

Reality wise, what i expect to happen is that Torinaga to withdraw forces to deal with the Dominion, leaving a token force of troops behind. Julian will lose half of the forces he brings to the fight to this force somehow, and loses even more of himself, just because. Then the Periphery March secedes because *Insert Reason* and the Draconis March will secede because chances are, Julian will do something stupid like make peace with the Combine. Finally, Alexander Hasek will emerge from the Sirdar Pocket, and because Erik Groehl wants a puppet he can control, the Capellan Confederation will secede because they have the Rightful First Prince and also, peace with Confederation.

[Rorke]

I disagree there, I think VSD has been a presence in Battletech long enough and it's time for his shadow to exit the stage.  The idea of Battletech following his line like Star Wars does the Skywalkers and making them the only movers and shapers of the universe honestly annoys me.

Vic had his day.  He can have kids that don't rock the galaxy, let someone else new come into play.

In total agreement on this.  They had their time.

Sorry Decoy, but I think nobody in the FS is so unhinged currently. Not sorry actually, as a faction
the FS has had a rough time for a while.  High time, things went right. Wish some misfortune on
someone else, we've had our turn long enough.