Author Topic: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth (Read 204352 times)

Kidd · « **Reply #1380 on:** 04 November 2018, 01:05:36 »

Quote from: marauder648 on 03 November 2018, 12:09:46

Obligatory can't-let-the-frogs-get-the-better-of-us

DoctorMonkey · « **Reply #1381 on:** 04 November 2018, 03:36:32 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 03 November 2018, 14:51:48

Not seen: The helmsman of the newer ship flipping off the older one while leaning on the ship's horn as he passes, because the geezer won't stay in the slow lane.

Sail before steam!

Quote from: Kidd on 04 November 2018, 01:05:36

Obligatory can't-let-the-frogs-get-the-better-of-us

Here we see the Type 45 in it's natural environment of tied up to a quay waiting for engine repairs...

worktroll · « **Reply #1382 on:** 04 November 2018, 03:39:05 »

I like the aquatic Ogre next to the aircraft carrier ...

Feenix74 · « **Reply #1383 on:** 04 November 2018, 04:13:17 »

Quote from: I am Belch II on 03 November 2018, 20:02:35

That looks like all my battles in Civilation when you have such a huge tech advantage.

At that range I would put my money on the sailing ship.

Daryk · « **Reply #1384 on:** 04 November 2018, 05:17:10 »

Only if the first broadside (of 12, it looks like) manages to hit the bridge. Otherwise, the range will rapidly open.

Kidd · « **Reply #1385 on:** 04 November 2018, 05:45:07 »

Quote from: Daryk on 04 November 2018, 05:17:10

Only if the first broadside (of 12, it looks like) manages to hit the bridge. Otherwise, the range will rapidly open.

If that first broadside doesn't hit them, there's also the 20mm cannon and 12.7mm guns, a quick few bursts from the former will probably take out most of the gun crews.

I am Belch II · « **Reply #1386 on:** 04 November 2018, 07:13:30 »

That is a great photo.

Euphonium · « **Reply #1387 on:** 04 November 2018, 11:34:55 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 03 November 2018, 14:51:48

Not seen: The helmsman of the newer ship flipping off the older one while leaning on the ship's horn as he passes, because the geezer won't stay in the slow lane.

Is "Steam gives way to sail" no longer part of the laws of navigation? ;)

glitterboy2098 · « **Reply #1388 on:** 04 November 2018, 12:07:58 »

Nightlord01 · « **Reply #1389 on:** 05 November 2018, 04:18:25 »

Quote from: Euphonium on 04 November 2018, 11:34:55

Is "Steam gives way to sail" no longer part of the laws of navigation? ;)

It never was, the International Law of the Sea only states that the more maneuverable vessel is the give way vessel when the navigation tracks of the two vessels intersect.

So, if your sailing vessel is a yacht, and the other vessel is a Very Large Container Carrier, then you're to maneuver to avoid collision, as it is highly likely the VLCC is constrained in any meeting you will have.

Kidd · « **Reply #1390 on:** 08 November 2018, 07:46:44 »

Norwegian Fridtjof Nansen-class frigate HNoMS Helge Ingstad collided with the tanker Sola this morning and subsequently ran aground in order to prevent her from sinking. All 137 crewmembers have been evacuated.

But it looks seriously dire. If it's not a write-off, this looks like years worth of yard time.

Latest pic she's almost completely on her starboard side.

Sharpnel · « **Reply #1391 on:** 08 November 2018, 07:50:53 »

Strip her clean of weapons and advanced tech as that ship appears to be a write-off. That gash on the side looks like a killing blow. I would feel sorry for the ship(s) that might attempt to recover her and tow her back for repairs.

Dragon Cat · « **Reply #1392 on:** 08 November 2018, 09:45:36 »

Looks like it's going to turn turtle

JadeHellbringer · « **Reply #1393 on:** 08 November 2018, 09:52:29 »

Ow. Yeah, that's... not so good.

Kidd · « **Reply #1394 on:** 08 November 2018, 09:56:31 »

A little perspective. Looks properly beached now. Hopefully it is stabilised. Work now underway on managing the oil spill.

Skjold-class boat on the lower left corner.

Sabelkatten · « **Reply #1395 on:** 08 November 2018, 10:07:58 »

Ouch.

It's not funny enough for a joke about Norwegians even thought I'm Swedish... :(

Øystein · « **Reply #1396 on:** 08 November 2018, 11:09:17 »

How the hell did they manage to ram a supertanker who had the right of way/traffic in calm seas?

The ship is being bolted to the sea ground to keep it from slipping away further, but it should be pretty salvagable and repairable according to the Navy. They steered/towed it to the shallows once the accident had happened and they thought it would sink.

Wrangler · « **Reply #1397 on:** 08 November 2018, 11:30:41 »

I have feeling someone fell asleep at the wheel.

I don't think this guy...

Solo TS would have been hard to avoid..

Weirdo · « **Reply #1398 on:** 08 November 2018, 11:32:49 »

I'm beginning to suspect that maritiming is a LOT harder than any of us imagine, even in good conditions.

Sabelkatten · « **Reply #1399 on:** 08 November 2018, 11:44:57 »

The Norwegian coast is pretty notorious for strong currents and winds. It might just have been bad luck in a narrow passage.

Øystein · « **Reply #1400 on:** 08 November 2018, 12:00:51 »

The area where it happened is over 5km wide. No shaols or anything, you can see the marked area on the map attached - depths are 100+ meters.

Weather was clear with 11 m/s winds. Ie normal autumn weather.

kato · « **Reply #1401 on:** 08 November 2018, 12:08:23 »

Quote from: Kidd on 08 November 2018, 07:46:44

All 137 crewmembers have been evacuated.

127 left the ship on her liferafts, the remaining ten (incl. the captain) stayed onboard for another two hours until she was beached.

Quote from: Øystein on 08 November 2018, 11:09:17

How the hell did they manage to ram a supertanker who had the right of way/traffic in calm seas?

Even worse, in one version of the story (there's a couple by now, and none by the Navy itself) they apparently managed to slip inbetween the tanker and the tugboat that was towing it out of the fjord.

It's also notable that different sources give different times for the accident - between 4:03 am and 4:26 am. The frigate turned on AIS at 4:03 am according to the Navy.

Øystein · « **Reply #1402 on:** 08 November 2018, 12:24:34 »

The timeline is pretty clear - at 04:03 the naval resurce service recieves a message that a frigate and tanker had collided. At 04:04 the frigate turned on AIS (automatic identification system) and is stationary, at 04:11 the frigate send an emergency message to the naval rescue service about the collision.

Wrangler · « **Reply #1403 on:** 08 November 2018, 13:27:28 »

Is that normal procedures for this? The American collisions happened in early morning as well.

chanman · « **Reply #1404 on:** 08 November 2018, 13:49:35 »

I find it interesting that warships seem to make a habit of sailing without AIS. Do combat aircraft typically fly with their transponders off? I know the Brits were annoyed with one of the Russian visiting flights a year or two ago because they had their transponders off, so were effectively invisible to ATC

Øystein · « **Reply #1405 on:** 08 November 2018, 13:54:27 »

AIS is not mandatory for warships, only for civilian ships above 300 tons.

Considering the information sent over AIS I can see why the military isn't running with it on. It would make an ambush very easy to accomplish. Also can give into on the capabilities of said ships and their full locations.

Sabelkatten · « **Reply #1406 on:** 08 November 2018, 13:57:35 »

The Russians military is rather notorious for flying with transponders off even for completely routine missions...

Wasn't the Norwegian ship part of the big NATO exercise? Might have been the reason the AIS was off. Also just read that witnesses claims the frigate was drifting before the collision. Unconfirmed, but technical failure would explain it.

wantec · « **Reply #1407 on:** 08 November 2018, 14:19:20 »

Is that a recent pic Wrangler? Cause if not it looks like it's got some damage on the port side of the very front of the bow.

Dragon Cat · « **Reply #1408 on:** 08 November 2018, 14:27:35 »

Quote from: Øystein on 08 November 2018, 13:54:27

AIS is not mandatory for warships, only for civilian ships above 300 tons.

Considering the information sent over AIS I can see why the military isn't running with it on. It would make an ambush very easy to accomplish. Also can give into on the capabilities of said ships and their full locations.

I'm surprised it's not required in friendly waters and harbours when not at war footing I can understand it in open waters but how long will it be until this happens to a passenger ferry of some sorts and the loss of life is considerable

Øystein · « **Reply #1409 on:** 08 November 2018, 14:35:11 »

Quote from: wantec on 08 November 2018, 14:19:20

Is that a recent pic Wrangler? Cause if not it looks like it's got some damage on the port side of the very front of the bow.

Old pic, there has been pictures on the news here about the ship post-collision where you can see clear damage to it's starboard anchor mount and above it. So it seems it almost hit the frigate head on, and it's anchor mount and anchor ripped the ship a new one.