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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #120 on: 18 March 2018, 21:32:28 »

Aft view of the Formidable-class pre-dreadnought battleship HMS Venerable, she was certainly piece of art.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #121 on: 20 March 2018, 12:32:39 »
USS Juneau has been found by Paul Allen's team

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #122 on: 20 March 2018, 12:38:29 »
And she is... er, not in the condition Lexington is in.  :-\

The difference in corrosion and marine growth is fascinating. You expect the ship will be in rough shape, considering what happened, but I'm always fascinated by how different wrecks can be from each other in terms of post-sinking condition.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #123 on: 20 March 2018, 13:02:26 »
This soon after Lexington? Don't these people take vacations, or refuel their ship, or something?
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #124 on: 20 March 2018, 13:24:45 »
This soon after Lexington? Don't these people take vacations, or refuel their ship, or something?

Apparently they're looking for Wasp and Hornet as well. I'd be especially interested in seeing Hornet, after what it took to finally put her down.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #125 on: 21 March 2018, 04:57:50 »
Apparently they're looking for Wasp and Hornet as well. I'd be especially interested in seeing Hornet, after what it took to finally put her down.

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #126 on: 21 March 2018, 07:04:54 »
USS Hornet?  It's in California!  Good grief they cruised across the Pacific spending all that money when they over looked it sitting at a tourist destination??


I'm kidding, i hope they find CV-8 soon.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #127 on: 21 March 2018, 07:35:28 »
TIL HMS Victorious was loaned to the US Pacific Fleet for a while when USS Saratoga was the only other operating US fleet carrier in the theater, operating under the nickname "USS Robin". No spectacular feats were accomplished during this period, leaving this triumph of international co-operation to perish in obscurity.

Read more here: http://www.armouredcarriers.com/uss-robin-hms-victorious/

Funfact - the white square painted on her deck looks like an elevator to draw Japanese dive-bomber attention but is actually the most armoured section of the flight deck.



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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #128 on: 21 March 2018, 08:59:17 »
This soon after Lexington? Don't these people take vacations, or refuel their ship, or something?

Paul Allen's company is named Vulcan and he sails around on a mega-yacht named the Octopus with its own hangar and dock.


And Stratolaunch is a joint venture of his with Burt Rutan that involved building this:
to launch rockets from mid-air

I guess what I'm saying is that Paul Allen is clearly a bond villain, and as a group, they are not known for taking a lot of vacation

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #129 on: 25 March 2018, 11:48:22 »


USS California.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #130 on: 25 March 2018, 21:03:21 »


USS California.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #131 on: 26 March 2018, 01:40:42 »
Why was she called the Prune Barge?
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #132 on: 26 March 2018, 07:34:20 »


USS California.

She's pretty. :-)

Can really see the American influence in her design, so distinctive from other navies. I'm not a fan of the US cars, but I'm a big fan of the ship styling.

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #133 on: 26 March 2018, 07:58:50 »
She's pretty. :-)

Can really see the American influence in her design, so distinctive from other navies. I'm not a fan of the US cars, but I'm a big fan of the ship styling.

Agreed. Silly cage masts aside (the logic is sound, the practice not so much), American ships had an elegance to them. Particularly the Big Five, with their clipper bows, but even older ships. Minimalist superstructure, simple layout, all-or-nothing armor layout (which, along with STS steel, was one of the biggest advantages American ships had)... fantastic designs.

This would be very, very close to the Pearl Harbor attack- the ship still has the pre-war superstructure in place (rather than the South Dakota-esque refit she got afterwards), but atop the bridge is an early search radar (CXAM, I believe? I'm typing from a subway car, shut up) which she wouldn't have had for more than a year-ish before the attack. (In case you're wondering why that didn't allow her to detect the inbound attack, it wasn't active while the ship was moored up on a sleepy Sunday- and the surrounding hills would have blocked it anyway.)

Why was she called the Prune Barge?

One of California's major crops at that point were prunes- thus, the state ship ended up with 'Prune Barge' as a name. All things considered, sailors being what they are, the ship likely had more than a few other names, likely more colorful than that one.  ^-^
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #134 on: 26 March 2018, 10:36:24 »
Yeah the Standards had a very solid, yet elegant look to them.  Meanwhile Pre-War France was producing Steampunk







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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #135 on: 26 March 2018, 12:09:51 »
Couple of those could be fun in world of warships.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #136 on: 26 March 2018, 12:20:03 »
She's pretty. :-)

Can really see the American influence in her design, so distinctive from other navies. I'm not a fan of the US cars, but I'm a big fan of the ship styling.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #137 on: 26 March 2018, 13:23:59 »
I think i might attempt that ship for my naval minecraft server i'm on.  The ship be interesting see in combat if i got enough people manning her.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #138 on: 26 March 2018, 14:09:09 »


Why not to cage mast (and almost certainly the reason the refits between the wars moved to tripods and eventually towers): USS Michigan after a storm in 1918. The foremast whipped due to hull motion, and collapsed at a pre-damaged point. Six were killed.

If it fell down in a mere storm, at a point damaged in an explosion from a couple of years prior, how would it hold up in actual battle conditions? None of them ever found out (the dreadnoughts sent to Europe in WWI never fought the German fleet, and by the time the WWII ships saw non-Pearl combat most had their cages removed, or at least didn't end up in fights with enemy ships). But it almost certainly spooked BuShips enough to greatly influence post-Washington Treaty designs, resulting in the British/Japanese style tripods- ironically, at a time when both of THOSE navies were refitting their ships to remove their own tripods (Britain) or beef them up into basically tower masts (Japan)!
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #139 on: 26 March 2018, 15:07:04 »
I thing this actual color picture.  Either case it looks good.

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #140 on: 26 March 2018, 15:17:01 »
much prettier than USS California (and shouldn't California be a heavy cruiser being CA?)
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« Reply #141 on: 26 March 2018, 15:22:49 »
much prettier than USS California (and shouldn't California be a heavy cruiser being CA?)

Nope, she was not only a battleship, but one of the larger ones built in her day. 14-inch guns put her solidly in dreadnought territory. (The confusion here may stem from CA being both the acronym for heavy cruiser and for the state of California).

Worth noting, she and her sister Tennessee ended up being the last 14-inch armed ships in the U.S. fleet- the follow-on Colorado-class were built with 16-inch guns (most other aspects of the ships were identical to the California), and the follow-on ships of the (first) South Dakota-class, as well as the Lexington-class battlecruisers, would have used 16s as well. When the Americans then later built the North Carolinas, following the end of the building hiatus, they were slated to use 14-inch guns (in three quadruple-mountings), and were upgunned to triple-16-inch at the last minute thanks to some shrewd planning. (Similar last-minute upgrades in Great Britain saw the King George V shown in Wrangler's post get up-armored, as well)
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #142 on: 26 March 2018, 15:42:16 »
Nope, she was not only a battleship, but one of the larger ones built in her day. 14-inch guns put her solidly in dreadnought territory. (The confusion here may stem from CA being both the acronym for heavy cruiser and for the state of California).




it was a joke  :'(


On a different note, it looks like the new economy frigates for the RN (Type 31e) are to be called Leander class
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #143 on: 26 March 2018, 15:54:58 »
Sorry- my job consists of helping correct errors in acronyms and such, kinda bled over here I guess.  :-[

In penance, here's HMS Leander in 1931. Note the slight 'bulge' in the funnel near its base, and the miserable location of the aircraft catapult when it comes to dealing with funnel gases while operating at speed.

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #144 on: 26 March 2018, 16:24:28 »
Proof that they were running out of ship class names at the end of World War II - the Fargo class cruiser. They had a model in the entrance of the Fargo Public Library when I was growing up that I spent a lot of time looking at.




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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #145 on: 27 March 2018, 07:04:02 »

it was a joke  :'(


On a different note, it looks like the new economy frigates for the RN (Type 31e) are to be called Leander class

My first ever ship was a Leander class, although they were classified as a Destroyer Escort or DE. They were damned good ships, wonder if the new class will match up to their forebears?

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« Reply #146 on: 27 March 2018, 07:48:50 »
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« Reply #147 on: 27 March 2018, 08:01:30 »
Reminder on image sizes, guys. Please!
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« Reply #148 on: 27 March 2018, 09:00:18 »
Reminder on image sizes, guys. Please!

yikes i posted on mobile i didn't realize they were that huge. fixed.

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« Reply #149 on: 27 March 2018, 09:13:17 »
yikes i posted on mobile i didn't realize they were that huge. fixed.

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