MotW: Kingfisher

[Colt Ward]

Was the Kingfisher in the KS?  I thought it got voted off.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

It is in the kickstarter.  It's part of the Heavy Striker Star, along with the Turkina, Crossbow, Cauldron Born, and Nobori-nin.

[Arkansas Warrior]

I really should have picked up one of those stars.  I’m not big on the Crossbow, but the other four are all great designs that it’s hard to have too many of.

[Colt Ward]

Hmm, mine must have been hard to see in the box as I do not remember it last night.  Going to have to look through the new ones.

[Hellraiser]

It is in the kickstarter.  It's part of the Heavy Striker Star, along with the Turkina, Crossbow, Cauldron Born, and Nobori-nin.

This was a big must have choice for me, because I only own 1 copy of 2 of these & 0 of the other 3.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

I really should have picked up one of those stars.  I’m not big on the Crossbow, but the other four are all great designs that it’s hard to have too many of.

This is one of the only clan stars I doubled up on. Two of my favorites, an kingfisher to go to the bears (both actually) and then the Turkina and Crossbow

[Tyler Jorgensson]

Part of the Kickstarters new Clan Heavy Battle Star

[Sjhernan3060]

It is in the kickstarter.  It's part of the Heavy Striker Star, along with the Turkina, Crossbow, Cauldron Born, and Nobori-nin.

That is a mean line up!!!

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Four nasty mechs and a Crossbow.

[Fat Guy]

More like three good 'Mechs and a Cauldron Born and Crossbow.   ;)

[Arkansas Warrior]

The Cauldron-Born isn't bad, it just has some crappy configurations.  I'd take one over a Hellbringer, Mad Dog, or really any other 60 or 65 ton omni from the Invasion Era.

[Fat Guy]

If I had to pick one of those three, I'd say the Vulture has the best configurations.

And yes, the Cauldron Born is a better chassis than than the Loki (though that's not saying much). It's just stuck with a bunch of crap configurations.

[Greatclub]

Ebon Jaguar just got a few decent configs in the RecGuide. Before that the only one that passed my sniff test was the E. It's a B-list frame that initially got d-list configs.

Crossbow is a C-list frame with C to B-list configs. It wanted to be a lighter Kingfisher but failed. Crossbow W almost got there, but not quite.

Kingfisher is a B-list frame with A-list configurations. It's always had a niche in the Can arsenals it has filled well for competitive BV. The RecGuide versions continued the trend. I'm a bit leery about the amount of explodium in the torsos of the G, however.

[Fat Guy]

Kingfisher is a B-list frame with A-list configurations. It's always had a niche in the Can arsenals it has filled well for competitive BV.

That sums it up pretty well. And with it's Kickstarter facelift, it now looks good too.

[Hellraiser]

Ebon Jaguar just got a few decent configs in the RecGuide. Before that the only one that passed my sniff test was the E. It's a B-list frame that initially got d-list configs.

Wait, WHAT?
How is an XL, Endo, FF design a B-List Frame?
Its a T-Wolf at 10 tons lighter or a Storm Crow at 10 tons heavier.
As for Pods, I won't defend those other than to say the 'A' is my default, if I'm running an Ebon Jag, its going to be the A model.
You'll accept all my ERLL Sniping & be happy about it, or, you'll deal w/ my Ultra-20 when you close in.

Crossbow is a C-list frame with C to B-list configs. It wanted to be a lighter Kingfisher but failed. Crossbow W almost got there, but not quite.

Logistically, its nice to have an Omni that requires ZERO advanced construction techniques, but in turn, the pod space fails.
That said the USE of the Pod Space is pretty good.
Clan LRMs, Clan Streaks,  Clan LRMs/Streaks/MPLs,  what is there to complain about?
Short of mounting a pair of Clan LPL cheese you can't get much more efficient than the above choices.

Kingfisher is a B-list frame with A-list configurations. It's always had a niche in the Can arsenals it has filled well for competitive BV.

I can't disagree there, the huge engine tonnage limits the # of guns which in turn limits the amount of BV it can be.

[Colt Ward]

Crossbow would have been better at 4/6, then you had more space for the pods.

IIRC, the Cauldron Born has armor placement concerns.

And the best Clan 65 tonner before the Dark Ages is the Arcas, period.

[Greatclub]

Wait, WHAT?

Armor. Ebon Jag fails to take a double PPC hit on any limb. A ton [edit - half ton] more armor or placement a bit different and it would be a-list

{crossbow}That said the USE of the Pod Space is pretty good.

My problem is, again, armor. It fails the double tap test on its side torsos, which are typically wide caverns ready to pass crits into the center. Weapons are good, but the kill-me spot is almost as bad or worse than a clan XL in all but a couple configs.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

And the best Clan 65 tonner before the Dark Ages is the Arcas, period.

No argument, but it's not an omnimech.

[Colt Ward]

When you are the best, do you really need to be Omni?  Speed, mobility, armor, ranged firepower, accurate firepower, and crit-seeking . . .

[Sjhernan3060]

That sums it up pretty well. And with it's Kickstarter facelift, it now looks good too.

I an excited for the new mini! It looks like a slab metal
That will take a beating a d dish one out!

[Hellraiser]

Crossbow would have been better at 4/6, then you had more space for the pods.

No disagreement there.
That would have been a solid way to build an otherwise "introtech" Omni.

Armor. Ebon Jag fails to take a double PPC hit on any limb. A ton more armor or placement a bit different and it would be a-list
My problem is, again, armor. It fails the double tap test on its side torsos, which are typically wide caverns ready to pass crits into the center. Weapons are good, but the kill-me spot is almost as bad or worse than a clan XL in all but a couple configs.

I can't slight a mech for being 17/20 on the Arms though I will give you the legs should be a bit more at 19/30.
Shaving just a point from Side Torsos-22 to Legs would have fixed that issue.

For the Crossbow, this must be a serious allocation issue because I'm pretty sure its close to max.  Crossbow has 12 tons of armor? 

[Greatclub]

12 tons of armor. Legs have 26, side torso have 18/9.

[Hellraiser]

12 tons of armor. Legs have 26, side torso have 18/9.

Ideally that would be 25 + 20/8 for nice pretty matching common damage #s.
But its not as bad as I thought it might be.

[Scotty]

The Ebon Jaguar F is a supreme being and its not-maxed armor is fine especially since its competition is the Hellbringer that it is an inarguable upgrade from.

[Hellraiser]

The Ebon Jaguar F is a supreme being and its not-maxed armor is fine especially since its competition is the Hellbringer that it is an inarguable upgrade from.

I have not heard of it, but, after just checking Sarna, yeah, I can't disagree, that is a good one too.
I'd probably switch to that from the A in a Post-Invasion timeline where ATMs are available.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

I have not heard of it, but, after just checking Sarna, yeah, I can't disagree, that is a good one too.
I'd probably switch to that from the A in a Post-Invasion timeline where ATMs are available.

It’s a “new” Rec guide one.

[Tyler Jorgensson]

So I played the ‘I’ variant in a 3v3 last night on the new Kozice Valley map. Performed pretty well: same zombie self and ram as cold as a freezer (until it took two plasma shots in one turn). Game was short so I didn’t get a chance to test its ammo endurance, but took enough of a Dire Wolfs fire and nothing went internal after two volleys so I’m happy with it.