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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #780 on: 14 May 2019, 02:55:26 »
Well, the other side of it on a carrier is that if your ship doesn't need to carry fuel for itself, it can carry that much more for its planes- in a long campaign, that can mean the difference between having to sail for home on a Monday vs. continuing to provide air cover the rest of the week.

Hmm, no, not even remotely close to reality. Ships are designed around space and weight considerations, not amount of fuel held, considering nuclear propulsion requires the same moving parts as a gas turbine, and you haven't even taken into consideration the reactor or cooling there, you've got big issues if you look at it that way! Nuclear propulsion requires substantially more space and weight than any current generation propulsion method, they had an advantage over old oil or coal fired steam ships though.

Ships can replenish fuel, along with food, at sea almost indefinitely, it's maintenance and crew fatigue/sanity that provide your biggest limiting factor. I've been at sea on an FFG that did nearly 80 days straight at sea, that gagged on it! So it's your logistical chain that is extended, but that's all you really get. There's really not much argument for nuclear except you reduce your immediate fuel burden, submarines are a different issue, but comparable in a lot of ways.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #781 on: 14 May 2019, 07:46:31 »
The US Marines are a comin', the US Marines are a come'in! to a British Carrier!

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #782 on: 25 May 2019, 08:46:06 »
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #783 on: 25 May 2019, 08:51:17 »
Ahh the Regulus, I do recall reading somewhere that they were even pushing the Regulus as a kind of 'post delivery' thing for the US mail service at one point. Can't remember where I read that.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #784 on: 25 May 2019, 09:00:56 »
Maybe mail to Alaskan bases?

Ahh the Regulus, I do recall reading somewhere that they were even pushing the Regulus as a kind of 'post delivery' thing for the US mail service at one point. Can't remember where I read that.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #785 on: 25 May 2019, 09:03:51 »
https://postalmuseum.si.edu/collections/object-spotlight/regulus-mail.html

Ahh the Regulus, I do recall reading somewhere that they were even pushing the Regulus as a kind of 'post delivery' thing for the US mail service at one point. Can't remember where I read that.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #786 on: 25 May 2019, 09:45:52 »
I remember seeing a story about the Reguls being turned into a guided Mail Truck...but it just didn't work out for reasons.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #787 on: 25 May 2019, 10:08:07 »
https://postalmuseum.si.edu/collections/object-spotlight/regulus-mail.html
This quote from that is a bit intentionally misleading in its wording:
"This peacetime employment of a guided missile for the important and practical purpose of carrying mail, is the first known official use of missiles by any Post Office Department of any nation."

Austria tested mail rockets with regular mail in the 30s several dozen times. However: This wasn't by a "Post Office Department of a nation" but by its private competition. And it wasn't guided. The same goes for trials in India in the 40s.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #788 on: 25 May 2019, 10:32:09 »
I'm rather impressed, as I did not know the Regulus could land safely.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #789 on: 25 May 2019, 11:10:17 »
Only the prototypes and training missiles (this was one of the latter kind) had landing gear and could be reused.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #790 on: 25 May 2019, 12:58:05 »
I'm rather impressed, as I did not know the Regulus could land safely.
The ability to reuse the test missiles was one of the reasons the Navy selected Regulus over the almost identical Matador. It could also be used as a drone as well.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #791 on: 25 May 2019, 13:17:31 »
Even at its best the Regulus  was not very accurate at least a half mile off...so I really would love to know the logic on making a missile into a mail delivery vehicle concept.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #792 on: 25 May 2019, 13:42:39 »
Even at its best the Regulus  was not very accurate at least a half mile off...so I really would love to know the logic on making a missile into a mail delivery vehicle concept.

Half a mile's still basically not bad by the standard of the time. Utterly irrelevant considering its nuclear warhead but still not too bad as a mail delivery :D
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #793 on: 25 May 2019, 17:50:11 »
Shame they retired the LGM-118 (my dad worked on the mockups for that in the design phase) since it'd be the perfect UPS system.  "Next day AIR shipping?  Pfhah, this'll get your package around the world before you can get a pizza delivered."  We actually wrote up a powerpoint presentation on the technology, how independently targeted MIRVs made it ten times more efficient per launch as it could reach multiple clients with a single flight, that weather would not be a hindrance to delivery like it can be for other services, and that insurance was available in the event of package loss due to ABM defenses...
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #794 on: 25 May 2019, 19:27:33 »
Shame they retired the LGM-118 (my dad worked on the mockups for that in the design phase) since it'd be the perfect UPS system.  "Next day AIR shipping?  Pfhah, this'll get your package around the world before you can get a pizza delivered."  We actually wrote up a powerpoint presentation on the technology, how independently targeted MIRVs made it ten times more efficient per launch as it could reach multiple clients with a single flight, that weather would not be a hindrance to delivery like it can be for other services, and that insurance was available in the event of package loss due to ABM defenses...
that whole "ordering from amazon triggers WW3" problem must have been the major hurdle?

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #795 on: 25 May 2019, 21:47:10 »
That's just a minor setback.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #796 on: 26 May 2019, 06:56:28 »
Half a mile's still basically not bad by the standard of the time. Utterly irrelevant considering its nuclear warhead but still not too bad as a mail delivery :D

...half a mile is still better accuracy than the UPS driver I deal with at work. Get that man a Regulus!
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #797 on: 26 May 2019, 14:44:17 »
Well, I'd like to get to navy pictures....

How about little Imperial Russian Navy picture of one their few Battleships they made, Volya. (This is form 1917)

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #798 on: 26 May 2019, 16:01:30 »
...half a mile is still better accuracy than the UPS driver I deal with at work. Get that man a Regulus!
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #799 on: 27 May 2019, 19:40:30 »
Ferry service that maybe little bit kookie, maybe little loonie. This ship operates out of France

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #800 on: 27 May 2019, 19:58:44 »
Also, looks like Italy has launched it's largest warship since World War II, the Trieste.  She a LHD, like Wasp-Class.
She due to be commissioned in 2022.  She suppose to carry F-35Bs, but i don't know if their still going to do that.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #801 on: 29 May 2019, 00:49:23 »
https://taskandpurpose.com/uss-preble-laser-weapon-system-2638286899.amp.html

The above linke is to an article about a new laser system that the USS Prebel will be depolying to respond to drones, aircraft, and even cruise missiles. 
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #802 on: 29 May 2019, 00:51:14 »
I'm sure the name played some part in ship selection.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #803 on: 29 May 2019, 06:13:08 »
I hope it works. Im not completely sold swapping out the Seawiz out with something from what ive read has killed speeding missile yet.

In a link article, Navy maybe putting railgun on a ship. They've nearly abandoned it due to slow progress. We need the thing but shell development for it seems to work fkr existing guns. As it stands Railgun take 2 minutes to charge and 1 second to fire which seems to be bad rate fire if they want thing to shoot missiles.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #804 on: 29 May 2019, 09:04:22 »
As I understand, nobody has ever expected the railgun to shoot missiles. They expect it to shoot at things like destroyers and continents.
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« Reply #805 on: 29 May 2019, 09:14:26 »
Right there is no single wonder weapon that beats everything.  Its a mixture of arms that's in our future.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #806 on: 29 May 2019, 09:51:21 »
Interesting about the Navy's -35C . . . only 2% certified ready for carrier ops?  Ruu-ro Shaggy

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #807 on: 29 May 2019, 10:18:59 »
I hope it works. Im not completely sold swapping out the Seawiz out with something from what ive read has killed speeding missile yet.

In a link article, Navy maybe putting railgun on a ship. They've nearly abandoned it due to slow progress. We need the thing but shell development for it seems to work fkr existing guns. As it stands Railgun take 2 minutes to charge and 1 second to fire which seems to be bad rate fire if they want thing to shoot missiles.

I thought they had canceled the railgun.  I hadn't heard they were still working on it.  They did have some multiple shot tests a few years ago that were able to fire quicker than every two minutes.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #808 on: 29 May 2019, 10:34:19 »
New article was discussing mounting it on a ship for test firing . . . and what I saw was suggesting it was not a active warship, like they were refitting a DD's 3 inch popgun.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #809 on: 29 May 2019, 12:10:04 »
they cancelled the original plan to sea-test it. they're still working on it in the labs, but doing field tests is on hold while they figure out how to do it within budget.