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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #990 on: 19 June 2020, 15:13:59 »
So who has checked out the new Recognition Guide: ilCLan yet? There are new Hellbringer variants in it! I really like the T variant. It's a good upgrade for the Prime. Specifically getting rid of the machine guns and it's ammo and upgrading them to AP gauss. Upgrading the SRM launcher to an ATM launcher gives it a weapon to be used at all ranges, too. It can support the PPCs at longer ranges and then smash anything that wants to get close!

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« Reply #991 on: 19 June 2020, 17:59:50 »
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #992 on: 19 June 2020, 19:30:10 »
The T is nice, but I think I'm actually going to stick with the Prime whenever the points are available. Unless a config boosts the durability with Modular Armor, then a Loki really needs that TC/ECM combo to be able to land hits far more often than it takes them in return.

The F is either for terrain where long-range combat isn't possible and victory lies in just doing add much damage as possible every turn, or it's a battlesuit hunter. Damn thing can practically wipe out an Elemental point in a single salvo.

The G practically screams Zellbrigen, being very clear about its intent being the smashing of heavy armor before said armored opponent can get through the Loki's skin.

I wasn't a big fan of the J, until I saw the role of Scout. Between that, the maneuverability, and that firepower, I think this will shine mostly in Alpha Strike games or much larger Battletech battles, where games are won with Lances and Stars, not individual mechs. There's gotta be some really interesting force building options there.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #993 on: 22 June 2020, 14:22:03 »
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« Reply #994 on: 25 June 2020, 14:48:31 »
Oh, and look, more Falcon hardware coming this Friday!

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #995 on: 30 June 2020, 09:44:04 »
Due to all the Kickstarter hype, I've been looking at the Invasion-era Falcons of late, and I noticed that quite unintentionally, no less than four of my Falcon Omni minis have a visible NARC launcher on them, and I got to thinking about their use in a Clan that normally at least tries to focus on single combat whenever possible. At first, I thought they were used much like Arrows(and by extension TAG), to quickly eliminate targets unworthy of Zellbrigen (tanks, fortresses, pirates, etc) so that Warriors can get back to the important work of winning duels, glory, and GatoradeBloodname sponsorships. But NARCs show up way too often to be solely used against things that are barely worth shooting, much less planning for.

Then it occurred to me that maybe these NARC carriers are meant to be used against mechs after all. Moreover, they aren't there to break Zellbrigen (or take advantage of its breaking), their role is to enforce the honor code. The idea is that the NARC is on the field, and the entire Star is loaded with compatible missiles...but in normal duels, the pod is never fired. Combat proceeds as normal, until someone breaks a duel or otherwise acts in a way to show themselves to be dezgra in Falcon eyes. The NARC carrier then moves forward, tags the offender with a pod...and retribution is swift.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #996 on: 30 June 2020, 12:59:13 »
There are also Explosive NARC pods, though I don't know when they were developed off the top of my head.  Four points isn't a lot of damage but it could be enough to do something nasty.
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« Reply #997 on: 30 June 2020, 13:12:13 »
I think those are actually IS only. Much like S-G LRMs, you have to customize the ammo before you can shove it through a Clan launcher.
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« Reply #998 on: 30 June 2020, 13:18:00 »
I think those are actually IS only. Much like S-G LRMs, you have to customize the ammo before you can shove it through a Clan launcher.

...where would one even look to determine which ammo is/is not available to Clan weapons?
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« Reply #999 on: 30 June 2020, 13:29:33 »
For tourney-level ammo? I dunno if it's also elsewhere, but Total War's section on special munitions starting on page 140 has it. After the test description for each ammo type, there's a "Weapon Type" line saying what kind of weapon fires it, followed by a "Technology Base" line saying who gets it. Tech Manual's Heavy Weapons Ammunition chart on page 345 also has a column for tech base.

But if you'll excuse me, I need to submit some errata reports, because both also list homing pods as IS only.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1000 on: 30 June 2020, 15:11:28 »
The NARC carrier then moves forward, tags the offender with a pod...and retribution is swift.

Thoughts?

I’ve had similar thoughts about the Nova CEWS.  The surviving Homeworlds Clans should have adopted the technology on their mechs, not relegated it to Stone Lion vehicles.  In honorable trials within and between Homeworlds Clans, the Nova CEWS are turned off.  In blackout assaults against Tainted opponents, the gloves come off and the Nova CEWS are turned on.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1001 on: 30 June 2020, 17:08:01 »
I’ve had similar thoughts about the Nova CEWS.  The surviving Homeworlds Clans should have adopted the technology on their mechs, not relegated it to Stone Lion vehicles.  In honorable trials within and between Homeworlds Clans, the Nova CEWS are turned off.  In blackout assaults against Tainted opponents, the gloves come off and the Nova CEWS are turned on.

I think it's a pride thing though.  Ganging up on one enemy is one thing, but using outside targeting data to improve you hit/miss ratio is another.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1002 on: 03 July 2020, 19:06:10 »
After IRGV2, I'm itching to know more about this Jade Phoenix. Though I'm imagining that it jumps and has talons, simply based on its namesake
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1003 on: 05 July 2020, 13:40:23 »
Given:

- That the Falcons were at one point collaborators on the Savage Wolf with the Foxes, and possessed non-omni, ferro fibrous skinned early Mad Cat Mk IV's

- That Aiden Pryde is reffered to as the Jade Phoenix and is a notable Timber Wolf Pilot

- That the Jade Hawk was originally slated to be an Omni, but produced as a static mech

if we might not be seeing the Jade Phoenix as a Heavy Omnimech, a Falcon answer to the Timber Wolf.

Alternately, if it's not that, I'm betting some sort of vicious assault omni to deal with all the chonk that the Lyrans and Wolves and Horses can bring to play. Something more prestigious than a Shrike, newer than a Turkina.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1004 on: 06 July 2020, 11:12:56 »
Who paints Falcon minis? I need to get started on that before the kickstarter gets shipped and am interested in what paints people use for Jade Falcon colors.

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« Reply #1005 on: 06 July 2020, 11:25:37 »
I used GW paints to paint mine up similarly to the clix minis.  I was smart and wrote down what colors I used so I'd remember the next time I painted my falcons (or any of my other factions).  :thumbsup:  I was also stupid and didn't put that list in the box of paints when I moved and now I have no idea where it is.  xp
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« Reply #1006 on: 06 July 2020, 17:02:49 »
I'd guess Abbadon Black base, drybrushed Leadbelcher, then the modern equivalent of Goblin Green or Snot Green for the contrast panels. How I intend to do mine.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1007 on: 06 July 2020, 17:24:49 »
I use Vallejo Model Air Sick Green for my base coats, and avoid Delta Galaxy at all costs because green with yellow only looks good in Wisconsin.
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« Reply #1008 on: 06 July 2020, 17:35:21 »
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1009 on: 06 July 2020, 18:13:43 »
I'm crazy enough to Delta, using GW's Warpstone Glow for the green, and Apple Barrel's Yellow for the yellow.
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« Reply #1010 on: 06 July 2020, 18:31:14 »
I'd guess Abbadon Black base, drybrushed Leadbelcher, then the modern equivalent of Goblin Green or Snot Green for the contrast panels. How I intend to do mine.

No, it was a darker green over a white base coat and a lighter green for accents/contrast panels   I'll share a couple pics later.  I'm on the wrong computer at the moment.
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« Reply #1011 on: 06 July 2020, 20:32:43 »
Epsilon is the choice for people who want to do Delta, but fear yellow.

Now I'd do Delta with Citadel yellow contrast over light grey for the contrast panels.
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« Reply #1012 on: 06 July 2020, 20:59:13 »
Found a few pics.

Even heavily cropped, I still love how that Warhawk picture came out.
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« Reply #1013 on: 06 July 2020, 21:54:50 »
I did a Binary of CJF Delta Galaxy. Pic of some of them below.
I primed with Rustoleum camo green.
Then base coated with Vallejo Intermediate Green.
Black Wash
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Vallejo Flat Yellow for the trim. I had to use several light coats for the yellow, but it wasn't too difficult.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1014 on: 06 July 2020, 22:10:37 »
Epsilon is the choice for people who want to do Delta, but fear yellow.

Now I'd do Delta with Citadel yellow contrast over light grey for the contrast panels.

Dark Age wise I love me some Zeta for an easy scheme.

EDIT: Omega is also really great but I leave off the red every time because I think it's tacky.
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« Reply #1015 on: 06 July 2020, 23:44:40 »


Is not tacky! You just need to use a few goes with a dry brush.
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« Reply #1016 on: 07 July 2020, 00:20:05 »
Way back in the 90s, I painted a few minis in Jade Falcon colors and they were green with a brown accent and highlights. I'm not a big fan of yellow and don't want my mechs to look like they are from Clan John Deere.

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« Reply #1017 on: 07 July 2020, 00:53:23 »
Is not tacky! You just need to use a few goes with a dry brush.

Definitely tacky.  Metallic green over steel is fine, red paint splatter on the legs and feet to "indicate their intentions with the [Steel] Viper Clan" is groan-inducing and the kind of thing I'd expect out of an edgy teen writing a fan fiction unit.
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« Reply #1018 on: 07 July 2020, 01:23:37 »
It's Omega. And they're Clanners, which is all about having something to prove. I also believe that not having a chemical toilet in their 'Mechs does ... things to their minds.

(I hear only Clan Hell's Horses has a hatch in the bottom of their tanks ... and even they lack the Boiling Vessel.)
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1019 on: 07 July 2020, 05:49:43 »
Given:

- That the Falcons were at one point collaborators on the Savage Wolf with the Foxes, and possessed non-omni, ferro fibrous skinned early Mad Cat Mk IV's

- That Aiden Pryde is reffered to as the Jade Phoenix and is a notable Timber Wolf Pilot

- That the Jade Hawk was originally slated to be an Omni, but produced as a static mech

if we might not be seeing the Jade Phoenix as a Heavy Omnimech, a Falcon answer to the Timber Wolf.

Alternately, if it's not that, I'm betting some sort of vicious assault omni to deal with all the chonk that the Lyrans and Wolves and Horses can bring to play. Something more prestigious than a Shrike, newer than a Turkina.

I am fine with that. It really shows that Jade Falcons haven't forgotten they past and they still respect they past heroes like Aidan Pryde.
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