Author Topic: Clan Jade Falcon III: Admittedly, We May Have Falconed a Little Too Hard (Read 96188 times)

nckestrel · « **Reply #120 on:** 15 December 2021, 08:32:37 »

Quote from: Grahad on 15 December 2021, 08:27:08

Based on the Tamar Rising preview, we have Fallen Falcons now? I was sure we had no one left at home, now apparently there is a splinter falcon nation with his own Khan around? They apparently own the remnants of the OZ too...were our factories are.
If I had to guess, it would seems Clan JF is split between becoming a rogue nation of Fallen Falcons and a rib of Clan Wolf (the Blackwatch), hopefully I am reading too much into it.

Even if every single Clan Warrior was taken to Terra, there would still be billions of Falcons left on those worlds.

Kitsune413 · « **Reply #121 on:** 15 December 2021, 08:52:31 »

Quote from: worktroll on 07 September 2021, 03:57:47

New thread! Falcon hard with mindfulness (and a lack of plaid!)

https://youtu.be/SkTt9k4Y-a8

Kitsune413 · « **Reply #122 on:** 15 December 2021, 08:57:04 »

Quote from: Grahad on 07 September 2021, 11:15:38

Well, as I said, I am picking up the lore as I go right now, but the whole Mongol affair felt a betrayal of the spirit of the CJF for an old timer like me....

We Sea Foxes were once led by an idiot Hawker. So we feel for you. But times change and things get better.

rebs · « **Reply #123 on:** 15 December 2021, 10:10:09 »

Right. Malvina got her Falcons to Terra. That's where they needed to go in order to face their destiny as a second-teir Clan next to the Wolves.

Now we get to see the rest of where they are going, the survivors on Terra, and those left behind.

CJC070 · « **Reply #124 on:** 15 December 2021, 15:20:37 »

Quote from: Grahad on 15 December 2021, 08:27:08

Based on the Tamar Rising preview, we have Fallen Falcons now? I was sure we had no one left at home, now apparently there is a splinter falcon nation with his own Khan around? They apparently own the remnants of the OZ too...were our factories are.
If I had to guess, it would seems Clan JF is split between becoming a rogue nation of Fallen Falcons and a rib of Clan Wolf (the Blackwatch), hopefully I am reading too much into it.

You forget they may have come from the Periphery. Someone rearmed the Oberon Confederation (in early 3140s) and I can see rogue elements from the Wolves or the Falcons doing just that.

Ruger · « **Reply #125 on:** 15 December 2021, 15:54:38 »

Quote from: Grahad on 15 December 2021, 08:27:08

Based on the Tamar Rising preview, we have Fallen Falcons now? I was sure we had no one left at home, now apparently there is a splinter falcon nation with his own Khan around? They apparently own the remnants of the OZ too...were our factories are.
If I had to guess, it would seems Clan JF is split between becoming a rogue nation of Fallen Falcons and a rib of Clan Wolf (the Blackwatch), hopefully I am reading too much into it.

Malvina only took those she deemed worthy or those she could not afford to leave behind and/or wanted to use as fodder in the battles on Terra, hoping they would get killed there before they became too much of a thorn in her side. This left mostly old solahma and others she deemed unworthy of finding possibly glory on the fields of battle on Terra.

Ruger

Grahad · « **Reply #126 on:** 15 December 2021, 17:29:15 »

The "Khan" of the Fallen Falcons is Jiyi Chistu, who if I remember correctly was a jihad clickymech char which was described as a decent guy.... quite possibly all this is just a provisional "government" while waiting from news from Terra.

Natasha Kerensky · « **Reply #127 on:** 17 January 2022, 22:07:50 »

What was the first Falcon mech or omnimech to use Talons? Asking for a friend.

Scotty · « **Reply #128 on:** 17 January 2022, 22:12:05 »

Turkina X in 3077 by intro date, Eyrie in 3087 by publication date. I'm ignoring the U configs for obvious reasons.

Weirdo · « **Reply #129 on:** 17 January 2022, 22:23:56 »

I thought the TurkinX was published first, in 3085 ONN?

Quote from: Scotty on 17 January 2022, 22:12:05

I'm ignoring the U configs for obvious reasons.

Not that obvious to me at least, and I'm curious. Are they not Omni configs? Are there not any with talons?

Natasha Kerensky · « **Reply #130 on:** 17 January 2022, 22:25:53 »

Thx, gents.

Scotty · « **Reply #131 on:** 17 January 2022, 22:31:35 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 17 January 2022, 22:23:56

I thought the TurkinX was published first, in 3085 ONN?

Dang, MUL listed source as RG16 and I didn't consider it'd have been earlier than 3145 in 2013.

Quote from: Weirdo on 17 January 2022, 22:23:56

Not that obvious to me at least, and I'm curious. Are they not Omni configs? Are there not any with talons?

They're not configs likely to have (potentially ever been used in atmosphere at any point.

It ended up being a pointless mention anyway, the only U config with Talons is the Turkina; the Nova has a Sword and the Viper has a Hatchet.

Weirdo · « **Reply #132 on:** 18 January 2022, 10:30:02 »

Atmospheric usage was not listed as a requirement. I think the Turkinau is just as old as the Turkinax.

Scotty · « **Reply #133 on:** 18 January 2022, 13:34:37 »

Don't worry Weirdo, when you ask a question I'll be sure to provide it with no consideration or nuance whatsoever.

Weirdo · « **Reply #134 on:** 18 January 2022, 13:39:09 »

If the rest of the forum would provide the same courtesy of answering a question actually as written, it would be the Best Day Ever.

cmerwin · « **Reply #135 on:** 19 January 2022, 13:13:44 »

Quote from: Grahad on 07 September 2021, 07:08:38

So, as a long gone BT player (pre Jihad) I just came back to check my beloved clan and...... what a mess.
If I understand correctly, after breezing through the Dark Age era, right now (I don't have the ilClan book yet) our OZ is basically free estate, we're down to one galaxy and we've become Alaric's footmen ( which is in a way expected after how we've been built up as the foil for Clan Wolf with Melvina and the Mongols, yuk).
So, is there any light of hope I am not privy to? Should I paint my mechs black? :))
On a side note, if you had to start picking up TRO and recogs,which ones would you start from?

:'(

I totally feel your pain. I stopped playing BT in the late 90s after college and just came back, only to discover that my beloved clan has been annihilated. I love all the stuff Catalyst has done, but I don't think I will follow cannon timeline. Basically in my own personal timeline I only follow cannon up until the Civil War era, maybe early Jihad.

Grahad · « **Reply #136 on:** 19 January 2022, 14:32:54 »

Quote from: cmerwin on 19 January 2022, 13:13:44

:'(

I totally feel your pain. I stopped playing BT in the late 90s after college and just came back, only to discover that my beloved clan has been annihilated. I love all the stuff Catalyst has done, but I don't think I will follow cannon timeline. Basically in my own personal timeline I only follow cannon up until the Civil War era, maybe early Jihad.

I am skimming Tamar Rising as I type, I thought the Jags were resurrected by Alaric?

Rainbow 6 · « **Reply #137 on:** 19 January 2022, 16:15:50 »

Quote from: Grahad on 19 January 2022, 14:32:54

I am skimming Tamar Rising as I type, I thought the Jags were resurrected by Alaric?

Looking at his avatar he's a Nova Cat, although he may be in for a happy rebirth soon.

Grahad · « **Reply #138 on:** 19 January 2022, 17:28:12 »

Quote from: Rainbow 6 on 19 January 2022, 16:15:50

Looking at his avatar he's a Nova Cat, although he may be in for a happy rebirth soon.

True that :P

Rncavenger · « **Reply #139 on:** 19 January 2022, 18:17:04 »

Quote from: cmerwin on 19 January 2022, 13:13:44

:'(

I totally feel your pain. I stopped playing BT in the late 90s after college and just came back, only to discover that my beloved clan has been annihilated. I love all the stuff Catalyst has done, but I don't think I will follow cannon timeline. Basically in my own personal timeline I only follow cannon up until the Civil War era, maybe early Jihad.

Not as annihilated as it seems at first glance (Spirit cats, Republican Nova Cats, Kisho Survivors). But this is another topic.

BrianDavion · « **Reply #140 on:** 19 January 2022, 22:13:43 »

what happened to the nova cats is proably one of the greatest injustices of the dark age writing. :(

Hopefully the falcons recover from whats all going down in a way that falcon players can enjoy

cmerwin · « **Reply #141 on:** 19 January 2022, 22:39:59 »

Quote from: Rainbow 6 on 19 January 2022, 16:15:50

Looking at his avatar he's a Nova Cat, although he may be in for a happy rebirth soon.

Indeed. Nova Kitties for the Loss (?). Would be happy if the Spirit Cats could give us a rebirth.

cmerwin · « **Reply #142 on:** 19 January 2022, 22:42:33 »

Quote from: Rncavenger on 19 January 2022, 18:17:04

Not as annihilated as it seems at first glance (Spirit cats, Republican Nova Cats, Kisho Survivors). But this is another topic.

Agreed, and happy that through the Spirit Cats, the Nova Cats live on.

cmerwin · « **Reply #143 on:** 19 January 2022, 22:54:58 »

Quote from: BrianDavion on 19 January 2022, 22:13:43

Hopefully the falcons recover from whats all going down in a way that falcon players can enjoy

Wishing the same. Seyla.

JAMES_PRYDE · « **Reply #144 on:** 20 January 2022, 09:32:11 »

Here's to hoping Jiyi's Falcons hold out and prosper, have neutral relations with the merchant queen, eventually linking up with Stephanie's Falcons (admit it, they need each other), saving the very soul of Jade Falcon, and adapting (Once strong enough, what will dialogue be ? Given Stephanie and Jiyi's opinion on the ilClan Trial, and their place after it. Whilst Alaric uses the Bears, as shock troop leverage against the Horses ?

Interesting times ahead, I am interested to see how major powers, especially ilClan forces on Terra recover and rebuild their Toumans, but from reading Tamar Rising, and the speed Toumans can be rebuilt, might be quicker than it sounds, as within 6 months Jiyi had decent force numbers and ratios for his worlds

CJC070 · « **Reply #145 on:** 20 January 2022, 10:11:46 »

I prefer that the Jade Falcons become two factions we have the Jade Falcons now based on Northwind and the Fallen Falcons in the Clan OZ. Similar to the Wolf and Wolf-in-Exile. Both have to rebuild and now seeing how the lower castes were treated in the OZ they can’t afford to be so elitist.

Weirdo · « **Reply #146 on:** 20 January 2022, 10:13:41 »

It'll be interesting to see how the two Clans Jade Falcon interact when they meet. Both seem to have compatible goals and outlooks, but there are differences(particularly Jiyi's evolving views on freeborns and the lower castes) that may cause friction with cousin(?) Stephanie. Moreover, both are still Falcon, with all the pride that entails. Neither will easily bend the knee to the other, so I expect at least some conflict. My only hope is that both Clans survive that conflict. Honestly, I'm seeing a lot of comparisons with the circumstances surrounding the creation of the NACC.

BrianDavion · « **Reply #147 on:** 21 January 2022, 02:17:40 »

I think the biggest difficulty for Jiyu is gonna be legitimacy, he doesn't have a single other bloodnamed individual under him, so his claim to the Khanship is pretty weak, it wouldn't even take the falcons returning formally, all it'd take is a blood named star colonel to be sent from Terra to secure sudeten with a small escort to create a leadership crisis. and if the falcons on Terra DO return, well, "his bargining posture may be highly dubious" my general assumption is the ilclan will make it's move in 3155 (which is a generation to the clans, long eneugh for the wolves to have recovered some from their sibkos, assuming they're kept intact) or 3160 at the latest.
Alaric'll first move to secure the wolf empire (or whats left of it) and then move into the former falcon OZ to bring it into his sphere of influence (Calladre Kell makes this prediction in the inital story of Tamar rising, and over all I agree with her assessment, if he gets to "name the dance" Alaric'll choose to house keep)

this give Jiyu a 5 to ten year window to perpare for the inevitable. and really he's got a few choices.

1: Immediatly issue a trial against the "terran falcon khans" and become Khan or sakhan of the united clan. this'll enable him to merge the assists and bring some of his reforms into the clan as a whole. (this BTW is the "best option" for clan jade falcon and thus proably won't be what happens :) )
2: manage to somehow negotiate independance, perhaps having alaric declare his jade falcons a new clan (Clan Jade Wolf? :) )
3: manage a crash building program that makes him capable of simply holding his own against even a major power, this would be impressive and suprising but we've seen more absurd things happen.
4: Secure allies against the wolves and manage to maintain independance that way (the Hells Horses may be the best bet here)

Scotty · « **Reply #148 on:** 21 January 2022, 02:44:28 »

The ultimate law of the Clans is that victory is the ultimate law. As long as Jiyi survives in a hostile area of space, especially if he does so by bloodying the Horses' noses repeatedly, that plays well into the Clan sensibilities of honor. I also think that if the Falcons coming out of Terra show themselves to be the moderate branch that opens a lot of diplomatic opportunities that don't otherwise exist. That could end up being a matter of a small scale trial of position rather than a conquest or an annnihilation.

Essentially, I don't think he wants the Khanship if there's a Clan Jade Falcon worth being part of in the ilClan.

BrianDavion · « **Reply #149 on:** 21 January 2022, 03:01:50 »

Quote from: Scotty on 21 January 2022, 02:44:28

The ultimate law of the Clans is that victory is the ultimate law. As long as Jiyi survives in a hostile area of space, especially if he does so by bloodying the Horses' noses repeatedly, that plays well into the Clan sensibilities of honor. I also think that if the Falcons coming out of Terra show themselves to be the moderate branch that opens a lot of diplomatic opportunities that don't otherwise exist. That could end up being a matter of a small scale trial of position rather than a conquest or an annnihilation.

Essentially, I don't think he wants the Khanship if there's a Clan Jade Falcon worth being part of in the ilClan.

I don't disagree that there's certainly ways to survive, but there's also a LOOT of room for him to end poorly. thing is Jiyi KNOWS this, it's worth noting that he never identifed himself as Khan when issuing a Batchall to other clans. my guess is you're right that if he and those who follow him are, basicly treated with respect he'd be happy to stand down for a more legitimate Khan.