Quick targeting computer question

[jackpot4]

Hello, I was curious if someone can help me understand the rules on the targeting computer.  I use solaris skunk werks for my record sheets so it is very helpful in putting the targeting computer on.  When the targeting computer is placed after all weapons are added, does the targeting computer work with every weapon that falls within its weapons use rules?  For example if I have 2 ER large lasers, 2 ER medium lasers, does each shot get the -1 modifier?

Thank you.

[martian]

Hello, I was curious if someone can help me understand the rules on the targeting computer.  I use solaris skunk werks for my record sheets so it is very helpful in putting the targeting computer on.  When the targeting computer is placed after all weapons are added, does the targeting computer work with every weapon that falls within its weapons use rules?  For example if I have 2 ER large lasers, 2 ER medium lasers, does each shot get the -1 modifier?

Thank you.

That's correct.

[jackpot4]

Thank you!

[garhkal]

Yup.  The TC's weight and # of slots is based on how many weapons it will be linked into, which is based on how many weapons you have that work with it.  You can't say put on a pair of ER larges, a single large pulse and a pair of medium lasers, and say the TC only works with the regular and ER lasers, not the pulse.  All get it, and thus all direct fire weapons (lrms/srms don't equate) get linked to it.  So all benefit.

[Stinger]

Yup.  The TC's weight and # of slots is based on how many weapons it will be linked into, which is based on how many weapons you have that work with it.  You can't say put on a pair of ER larges, a single large pulse and a pair of medium lasers, and say the TC only works with the regular and ER lasers, not the pulse.  All get it, and thus all direct fire weapons (lrms/srms don't equate) get linked to it.  So all benefit.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the Pulse still gets the -1 when fired, but it cannot make aimed shots.

[Fat Guy]

You are correct sir.

[Col Toda]

The only weapon or equipment that targeting computers does not work on from my memory are machine guns and TAG .  AES in the arm works for everything but tends to weigh more than a TC and has to be arm mounted .  With the lasers you gave in your question the targeting computer  would work for all of them .
Rapid firing weapon like a  Ultra or Rotary AC still gets the -1 but not the aimed specific location function .

[Aposiopesis]

The only weapon or equipment that targeting computers does not work on from my memory are machine guns and TAG.

Flamers and LB-X ammo, as well (and of course missiles).

[Weirdo]

They work just fine with LB-X cannons, even when firing cluster shot. You just can't conduct aimed shots with cluster rounds. But it's not like people actually use the aimed-shot function all that often in actual play anyway. In my experience, 99% of the time a TarComp is only used for the generic -1.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Unless it was errattaed and I missed it, the -1 to hit for a targeting computer doesn't stack with the -1 to hit from LB-X cluster munitions.

[worktroll]

Unless it was errattaed and I missed it, the -1 to hit for a targeting computer doesn't stack with the -1 to hit from LB-X cluster munitions.

That is indeed my understanding as well. Otherwise the Partisan AA truck would have been 4/6 with a TC, not 5/8. ;)

W.

[Weirdo]

Unless it was errattaed and I missed it, the -1 to hit for a targeting computer doesn't stack with the -1 to hit from LB-X cluster munitions.

Interesting. I can say with all honesty that unless there was an errata I missed or I've been misinterpreting things all this time, the -1 for TC does stack with the -1 for buckshot.

[worktroll]

TW v1.2, p120:

If an LB-X weapon is fired as a cluster weapon
(using cluster munitions, rather than acting as a direct-fire
ballistic weapon and using standard munitions), once the
actual Damage Value that struck the target is determined,
the controlling player makes a diff erent hit location roll for
each 1-point Damage Value grouping.

Now direct-fire ballistic (type DB) weapons can take advantage of the TC, but note the "rather than" in the sentence.

Oh, or more specifically p141:

When firing cluster munitions, LB-X autocannons cannot make
aimed shots, and they also lose the benefits of the firing unit's
targeting computer (if any).

Has there been any errata since 1.2?

[Weirdo]

Nah, that works for me.

[blackjack]

never caught that machine guns were not able to be tied in. Wonder whet was the thought process behind that?

[worktroll]

I imagine aimed shots from a Pirhana, or similar MG-spam Solaris design, made the PTB of the day somewhat concerned. Like the follow-through missiles from the old and often unlamented Tactical Hand Book; while EMP and Acid missiles from THB all made it through to TO, the prospect of guaranteed multiple hits to the same location was perhaps too munchy?

[Gus]

Whilst LBX autocannons firing cluster rounds don't benefit from the targeting computer's -1 to hit, what about AES?

[Firesprocket]

AES would give the unit a -1 to hit with the weapon even in cluster fire as long as it was only mounted in the arm.  Also as the unit mounting the AES gets larger so do the critical spaces it takes to mount it.  As a consequence the size of the auto cannon you can mount is also going to shrink making it the trade off fairly balanced.

[YingJanshi]

Now, UACs and RACs do get the aimed-shot if fired in single mode, yes?

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Yes.