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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #600 on: 06 September 2018, 19:39:22 »
Problem is, we still don't know what an Alae is. Is it an Aero Maniple, Cohort, Legion?

I assume its a Century (20 ASF).
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #601 on: 06 September 2018, 19:50:05 »
Ugh...

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ala#English

Alae is plural for Ala or wing. Meaning it's as close one can get to a 5 Air Maniple unit.

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4: Catalyst Game Labs Ask The Writers/Rules Questions response, 11 Feb 2014
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #602 on: 06 September 2018, 20:01:11 »
I assume its a Century (20 ASF).

We were just informed that a Century is five fighters.

I'm assuming that Alae are either 10-fighter Maniples or 30-fighter Cohorts, but until someone official clears it up, we just don't know. I'm going for the latter, but wouldn't be extremely surprised if it were the former. Air cover has always been a weakness of the Legions, and if we got rid of all our weaknesses, there'd be nothing interesting about us.

That's why I prefer to use intro tech stuff as much as possible, or primitives. I'll use standard or advanced every so often(mostly in non-Mech stuff), but by and large the more a force focuses on numbers or brute durability instead of technology, the more Marian it feels to me.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #603 on: 06 September 2018, 21:16:31 »
We were just informed that a Century is five fighters.

I'm assuming that Alae are either 10-fighter Maniples or 30-fighter Cohorts, but until someone official clears it up, we just don't know. I'm going for the latter, but wouldn't be extremely surprised if it were the former. Air cover has always been a weakness of the Legions, and if we got rid of all our weaknesses, there'd be nothing interesting about us.

That's why I prefer to use intro tech stuff as much as possible, or primitives. I'll use standard or advanced every so often(mostly in non-Mech stuff), but by and large the more a force focuses on numbers or brute durability instead of technology, the more Marian it feels to me.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #604 on: 07 September 2018, 13:56:49 »
Think of it this way:

A standard Mech Company uses 3 Lances, with the 3rd Lance an Air Lance. Meaning 2 ASFs are added. Now the MHAF uses 2 Centuries per Maniple and adds 2 ASFs but calls them Air Maniples.

I propose that the same is common with MHAF. Every Maniple has an Aero escort. What is missing is a Command Air Maiple and and a Auxilia Support Maniple, ie: a fourth using traditional vehicles and or Infantry.

Like every Cohort has a Command Air Maniple, 3 regular Air Maiple assigned to each Maniples of the Cohort and the 4th Air Maniple assigned to Auxilia Support. So in all total, 4 Maniples per Cohort.

But this is my understanding, where also talking about giant stompy robots here!

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #605 on: 07 September 2018, 14:59:28 »
Roam cavalry did not use the same notation as infantry. I find it curious that they use Century with them and not Decuria, Turma, Ala (I think I am missing a rank or 2 there)

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #606 on: 07 September 2018, 15:06:57 »
The Marian Hegemony may draw heavily from Rome, but it isn't Rome. Things aren't going to be an exact comparison, even allowing for obvious differences such as the fact that unlike Rome's Legions, the Hegemony deploys giant robots.
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« Reply #607 on: 07 September 2018, 15:08:51 »
Their priests of Vulcan obviously weren’t praying hard enough, to have never been granted the secret of robot-crafting.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #608 on: 08 September 2018, 09:03:04 »
The Marian Hegemony may draw heavily from Rome, but it isn't Rome. Things aren't going to be an exact comparison, even allowing for obvious differences such as the fact that unlike Rome's Legions, the Hegemony deploys giant robots.

Yeah . . . its more like a toga party that got out of hand and never ended.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #609 on: 08 September 2018, 11:37:02 »
Just announced the 1st Marik Protectors is coming out as the Spotlight On feature- which means since it will deal with their establishment it should have some Hegemony & Kendall info.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #610 on: 08 September 2018, 12:07:41 »
Ya know something...

I wonder how much intro tech is still being used even now in 3150-ish.

I mean, we have RATs that are " most commonly used " per faction, but there is ALWAYS an exception or two. Would you use an ER over a standard, even if it costed you another five hundred BV? Also what about " dumber " tech, like for instance everybody plays with the Victor-9B, but what about the -9A or even the -9A1?

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #611 on: 08 September 2018, 12:22:09 »
Well . . . there is a place for some stuff not being cutting edge . . . look at the Hawkwolf- its fire support and so it has 3025 missile launchers or a improved version has MMLs . . . but if its role is to rain missiles directly or indirectly, does it really need ER Meds or does just plain Meds work?

I think we might see a lot of the Marian's stock of 3025 designs that they were using even up into the Jihad sporting the 'r' series refits- some of those IMO were overdue 3050 improvements.

But one thing to also keep in mind, IIRC some of the Hegemony fluff post-3100 was that the Hegemony's quartermaster corp has agents in battlezones and hiring hall worlds buying up scrap-level salvage to ship back home and rebuild.  Which should mean their techs are pretty good about putting stuff more advanced than 3025 back together.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #612 on: 08 September 2018, 12:48:34 »


I think we might see a lot of the Marian's stock of 3025 designs that they were using even up into the Jihad sporting the 'r' series refits- some of those IMO were overdue 3050 improvements.

But one thing to also keep in mind, IIRC some of the Hegemony fluff post-3100 was that the Hegemony's quartermaster corp has agents in battlezones and hiring hall worlds buying up scrap-level salvage to ship back home and rebuild.  Which should mean their techs are pretty good about putting stuff more advanced than 3025 back together.

Check the Techwizards, LTD entry in HB:MPS (pag. 162). Those guys specialize in making mechs from salvage and junk.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #613 on: 08 September 2018, 13:10:50 »
Interestingly, I find 3025 stuff to be pretty good counters to Protomechs. Most Protos are short-ranged enough that there's no advantage over intro tech guns, and the cheap(er) nature of older units means it's easier to counter their numerical advantage with numbers of your own, or enough size to easily tank hits from Proto-sized guns.
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« Reply #614 on: 08 September 2018, 14:31:16 »
A lot of Marian equipment already has that high-low mix going on, even within the same unit.  The CN9-H is probably the classic example, being built largely from primitive equipment but also including an LB10-X autocannon.  The JM6-H refit is another good example, taking (apparently) 3025 JM6 chassis and refitting them with DHS, ferro fibrous armor, and LBX ACs.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #615 on: 08 September 2018, 15:49:41 »
Yeah, I was specifically thinking of the CN9-H & -Ar
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #616 on: 08 September 2018, 19:47:45 »
Problem is, we still don't know what an Alae is. Is it an Aero Maniple, Cohort, Legion?

Excellent question Weirdo, never made a difference in Ala Caelum Wing and Alae Alba

I always consider that the Alae Alba was a bigger formation than a Wing, maybe an Aero "Legion", with 3 Wings or more or accompanied by Assault Dropships and maybe some PWS.

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« Reply #617 on: 08 September 2018, 20:57:03 »
PWS? What Capital Kinder Eggs to the Marians get? ???

 Last I heard, the Marian Navy had even less fluff than the Marian Air Force.
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« Reply #618 on: 08 September 2018, 21:48:47 »
But one thing to also keep in mind, IIRC some of the Hegemony fluff post-3100 was that the Hegemony's quartermaster corp has agents in battlezones and hiring hall worlds buying up scrap-level salvage to ship back home and rebuild.  Which should mean their techs are pretty good about putting stuff more advanced than 3025 back together.
especially if it is something they already build some parts for, like the CN9-* Centurions.. their CN9-H primitive model isn't all that spectacular (still fairly solid though) but the chassis, Myomers, and other components ought to be cross compatible with most of the older models.

plus by the 3100's the Marians are building their own battle armor (the Ravager and Marauder suits), which ought to be a much trickier prospect than assembling more advanced mechs.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #619 on: 08 September 2018, 22:00:43 »
PWS? What Capital Kinder Eggs to the Marians get? ???

 Last I heard, the Marian Navy had even less fluff than the Marian Air Force.

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« Reply #620 on: 09 September 2018, 02:29:36 »
Even then I'd imagine that due to the logistics and simple sparsity of Dropships in the periphery, Marian PWS would be very rare. I suspect that the bulk of the ones they have would be the Mule-Q
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #621 on: 19 October 2018, 23:51:01 »
Wouldn't they have access to SL-era Pocket Warship Mule?

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« Reply #622 on: 20 October 2018, 00:51:14 »
Who knows, it's a possibility, but in the lists are the MULE PWS and the Overlord A 3

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #623 on: 07 November 2018, 11:41:18 »
Screw the PWS Mule . . . where are the DroST IIa gunships!
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« Reply #624 on: 31 May 2019, 10:37:49 »
Okay fellow space Roman's, what would be your plan for taking back lost territory?

I would sue for peace with the FWL with it hinging on trading control for captured systems. Next push MoC off of the two systems in the east
 Rebuild the Legions and begin making in roads with independent systems surrounding the Hegemony.
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« Reply #625 on: 31 May 2019, 10:58:56 »
Space Rome at this time is using more of a client state system . . . but yeah, back off with the League and perhaps snap up what is left of the Federation that was not taken?  And New St Andre needs some attention-  Space Romans vs Space Britons!

Btw, do they give out land to veterans?
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« Reply #626 on: 01 June 2019, 13:18:47 »
The Houses of the Inner sphere  used to do that in away. It would be a way to seed loyalty in new territories.

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« Reply #627 on: 03 June 2019, 16:12:44 »
Okay fellow space Roman's, what would be your plan for taking back lost territory?

I would sue for peace with the FWL with it hinging on trading control for captured systems.

 Actually, negotiations could be beneficial in this situation. While Duke Fontaine Marik is in a very strong position, with lots of troops holding Illyria and other planets, his political front is not so strong, with the Parliament more focused in reintegrating Regulus, and facing the Wolves and the doorstep, and the Andurians and the MoC/Crapellans (even if the later are focused in the FS/RoTS). I can see the Parliament and the new Captain-General giving Fontaine the finger and making a deal with the MH only if the concessions are big enough to quell Fontains complaints.

Next push MoC off of the two systems in the east

I don't think the Canopians plan to stay long term in both planets. Sure, they will do a lot of damage to the local infrastructure bu damaging industries and freeing the slaves, but they are far from their frontlines, and the MH can hinder their logistical trains in the "empty" zone between the realms. Also, the MoC seems more focused in bullying lone ex-FWL planets and helping their Andurian allies.

Rebuild the Legions and begin making in roads with independent systems surrounding the Hegemony.

Personally, i think the best action, aside of rebuilding those Legions, its to focus in diplomacy with the minor planets and with the Lothians. Right now the bigger fishes in the pond (the FWL and MoC) seems more focused in other fronts, so its better not to alarm them by gobbling smaller entities.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #628 on: 03 June 2019, 17:03:06 »
Which is why I suggested New St Andrews . . . consolidate elsewhere, shore up the legions, and use it as a training world.  IIRC its behind the CF and thus pretty far away from other powers to even notice.  Arbiters, Wasps, Stingers, Scorpions and Vedettes?  Its a live fire training environment the Clans would love to play with sending sibkos in lights to play on the planet . . . and the Hegemony IMO is just behind the Clans in the 'risk taking' nature of the training programs.  The Nelson's Longbows are going to be a bit tougher with four Longbows and 30-40% upgraded (DHS on the Longbows?) as part of the mech company.  They also have/had a company of vehicles and their specially trained 13F teams.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #629 on: 15 June 2019, 09:09:22 »
Does the Marian Hegemony give 50 acres (or whatever) of land to legionnaires after 20-30 years of service when they muster out to become reservists?
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