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Re: (New) Clan Smoke Jaguar: Once More With Feeling
« Reply #240 on: 17 October 2023, 18:09:27 »
I would agree that a scuttled ship isn't going to be useful for anything but scrap & that is assuming you can find it.


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A ship is scuttled when its crew deliberately sinks it, typically by deliberately opening holes in its hull.

Scuttling may be performed to dispose of an abandoned, old, or captured vessel
; to prevent the vessel from becoming a navigation hazard
; as an act of self-destruction to prevent the ship from being captured by an enemy force
 (or, in the case of a vessel engaged in illegal activities, by the authorities)
; as a blockship to restrict navigation through a channel or within a harbor
; to provide an artificial reef for divers and marine life; or to alter the flow of rivers.

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 While the details of the maintenance activity have changed several times, the basics are constant:
 keep the ships afloat and sufficiently working as to be reactivated quickly in an emergency. 

Now my question is, why would they have scuttled so many instead of scrapping them for materials or mothballing them for future use/scrap?

For a Blackwater Warship, yeah, on top of seriously damaging the KF Drive & Engines, I'd think that a course set for deep space or the nearest star wouldn't be out of the question.
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Re: (New) Clan Smoke Jaguar: Once More With Feeling
« Reply #241 on: 17 October 2023, 19:49:00 »
Now my question is, why would they have scuttled so many instead of scrapping them for materials or mothballing them for future use/scrap?

Lack of ability to do so in a timely manner or lack of confidence in their ability to keep hold of any resulting salvage instead of losing it to another Clan?
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Re: (New) Clan Smoke Jaguar: Once More With Feeling
« Reply #242 on: 17 October 2023, 20:50:40 »
Lack of ability to do so in a timely manner or lack of confidence in their ability to keep hold of any resulting salvage instead of losing it to another Clan?

That's actually exactly the reason why the Adders scuttled the hulls at their naval cache: they didn't have time to get them going again, and the Burrocks/Dark Caste were already aware of the cache's location.
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Re: (New) Clan Smoke Jaguar: Once More With Feeling
« Reply #243 on: 20 October 2023, 01:24:55 »
It's the same reason you scuttle a ship in real life; you don't want the enemy to capture it. If you want to get rid of a ship but aren't pressed for time, you scrap and recycle it instead.
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Re: (New) Clan Smoke Jaguar: Once More With Feeling
« Reply #244 on: 20 October 2023, 01:36:06 »
Wouldn't booby trapping them work?

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Re: (New) Clan Smoke Jaguar: Once More With Feeling
« Reply #245 on: 20 October 2023, 01:41:08 »
Wouldn't booby trapping them work?

That's extremely unClan-like, and you run the risk of your enemies defusing the traps and turning the ships against you anyway.
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Re: (New) Clan Smoke Jaguar: Once More With Feeling
« Reply #246 on: 20 October 2023, 02:24:23 »
Not if you removed memory bank modules and set the explosives towards key locations, like s critical power junction or cryogenic tank.

What is mothball?

 A ship cleared out and sealed up with most items removed that can be violative.

Air seals open and spaced to provide less explosive decompressions, certain areas welded shut...

But a booby trap could be the area sealed with gasses like Carbon Dioxides and pressurized so that opening them without depressing could cause severe damages to the capture crews.

A techs life is cheap, a warrior would most likely be armored or in a skinsuit with helmet, but still, floating objects huri. Especially if they are not seen... Small grains of sand or metal shavings...

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Re: (New) Clan Smoke Jaguar: Once More With Feeling
« Reply #247 on: 20 October 2023, 08:48:35 »
Still pretty far outside of acceptable for clan warriors.

Suicide bombers, murdering civilians, Mass punishment of civilians for actions of insurgents, orbitally bombarding cities, headhunting, slaughtering surrendering troops, consigning enemies to the desert to die, depriving civilians of necessities to survive, etc. are all fair game.


But laying non-combat traps is somehow one thing they won’t do.

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Re: (New) Clan Smoke Jaguar: Once More With Feeling
« Reply #248 on: 22 October 2023, 16:53:55 »
https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/camo-specs-online-a-guide-to-faction-paint-schemes-clan-smoke-jaguar

In case anyone missed this coming out. As I knew the history and fates of all the units involved and their colors, it doesn't do a whole lot for me, but it's always nice to see minis in Jag colors painted by those far more skilled than I. Also, God bless the artist who did the tutorial for telling people to use a Future floor wax glosscoat before pin-washing. That technique really brings me back 15-20 years.
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Re: (New) Clan Smoke Jaguar: Once More With Feeling
« Reply #249 on: 23 October 2023, 19:34:55 »
https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/camo-specs-online-a-guide-to-faction-paint-schemes-clan-smoke-jaguar

In case anyone missed this coming out. As I knew the history and fates of all the units involved and their colors, it doesn't do a whole lot for me, but it's always nice to see minis in Jag colors painted by those far more skilled than I. Also, God bless the artist who did the tutorial for telling people to use a Future floor wax glosscoat before pin-washing. That technique really brings me back 15-20 years.

Very cool! Is this new?

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Re: (New) Clan Smoke Jaguar: Once More With Feeling
« Reply #250 on: 23 October 2023, 20:14:39 »
Yes, it was just released Friday.
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Re: (New) Clan Smoke Jaguar: Once More With Feeling
« Reply #251 on: 01 November 2023, 16:08:03 »
https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/camo-specs-online-a-guide-to-faction-paint-schemes-clan-smoke-jaguar

In case anyone missed this coming out. As I knew the history and fates of all the units involved and their colors, it doesn't do a whole lot for me, but it's always nice to see minis in Jag colors painted by those far more skilled than I. Also, God bless the artist who did the tutorial for telling people to use a Future floor wax glosscoat before pin-washing. That technique really brings me back 15-20 years.

I'm wondering how many of the unit schemes will translate to the new era (IKEO might have info in it on this or not). I'm curious if any schemes change by galaxy or not once numbers are increased. The GenCon diorama had Alpha Galaxy and some of the Keshik schemes if my memory serves me correctly. 

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Re: (New) Clan Smoke Jaguar: Once More With Feeling
« Reply #252 on: 11 January 2024, 11:25:30 »
I came here to ask this, do we know which schemes are still viable or if there are new ones? I kinda want to paint up an Omega  :grin:

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Re: (New) Clan Smoke Jaguar: Once More With Feeling
« Reply #253 on: 11 January 2024, 12:07:22 »
Welcome Rockslide, as far as I know, Alpha Galaxy is the only lock for schemes in the ilClan era, though I think I've seen somebody mention the Keshik schemes were spotted on the recent GenCon CSO table. The Star League Jaguars do get Omegas according to the MUL, which I only realized just now...  :evil:
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