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Re: NHL 2024-2025: The Cats are out of the bag.
« Reply #90 on: 03 January 2025, 06:09:57 »
It's amazing how adding just one player with a specific skill set can totally alter a team's makeup.  In this case, I don't mean Patrik Laine, but Alex Carrier, acquired from the Preds in exchange for Justin Barron.  His presence has totally altered and stabilized the Habs' until-now horrific defense. While this is certainly a plus and Habs fans should be happy (it remains to be seen whether or not this move will salvage their season), many of us in Habs-land also see it as a not-so-tacit admission on the part of management that their decision to deal away two actual defensive defensemen last off-season was a mistake.  It also means that one of their reclamation projects that they had high hopes for--Barron--was in effect a failure.  There could be more down the road.

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Speaking of one player, Jake Walman is a sorely missed piece of the puzzle for the Wings.  We had to make room for some of the younger defense talent, but his absence is noted and lamented by many. 
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Re: NHL 2024-2025: The Cats are out of the bag.
« Reply #91 on: 03 January 2025, 09:08:40 »
I am absolutely fascinated by the referee's decision making when Scott Wedgewood got injured last night. Apparently, even though the player was down on the ice and injured, but the referees decided the Avalanche needed to control the puck before they could blow the whistle.

If it was another player other than a goalie? Play stops, safety issue, player is hurt. Goalie loses a strap on his helmet? Play stops immediately, safety issue. Player is already on the ice and hurt? Let it ride. Absolutely fascinated by this call.

So is coach Jared Bednar, who gave a response to the explanation of, and I quote, "I don't give a shit."
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« Reply #92 on: 03 January 2025, 18:02:17 »
I'm with he coach on this one.  The play should have been blown dead.  Neither team had control of the puck immediately following the injury to Wedgewood.  No blame on the Sabres the refs didn't blow the whislte the played on.  The ref had discretion and didn't stop the play.

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« Reply #93 on: 05 January 2025, 23:27:40 »
Speaking of one player, Jake Walman is a sorely missed piece of the puzzle for the Wings.  We had to make room for some of the younger defense talent, but his absence is noted and lamented by many.

Right, and that's what the Habs were thinking when they traded away Johnny Kovacevic and Jordan Harris (to NJ and Columbus, respectively).  Unfortunately, with the exception of Lane Hutson, none of the younger defense prospects proved ready for the big time and it left them with an imbalance toward offensive defensemen.  Enter Alex Carrier, a player who was drafted and developed outside their organization, and who's five years older than the guy he was traded for.  The results are there for all to see, but this is still a step in the opposite direction from what Hughes & Gorton (HuGo--get it?) envisioned.

I daresay that Stevie Y will have to contemplate making a similar move if he's going to right the ship.

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« Reply #94 on: 11 January 2025, 00:53:51 »
Looks like the Wings are getting "the bump" after the coaching change.  Todd McLellan seems to have gotten the ship back on course.

And oh yeah, the Habs keep bringing it against this season's top teams.  Although, I wonder how much of that is because of those teams taking the Habs too lightly, given how abysmal the first couple of months went for them.

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« Reply #95 on: 11 January 2025, 12:24:26 »
Looks like the Wings are getting "the bump" after the coaching change.  Todd McLellan seems to have gotten the ship back on course.
Top to bottom they are playing like a unit.  Production has really picked up from their top guys.  One notable guy who hasn't is Tarsenko who just hasn't seemed like fit this season.  The plan likely for him was to help him build up value and trade him at the deadline.  They might want to consider doing it soon rather than later.

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And oh yeah, the Habs keep bringing it against this season's top teams.  Although, I wonder how much of that is because of those teams taking the Habs too lightly, given how abysmal the first couple of months went for them.
Most of that seems to be recent and not necessarily sustained.  Against teams currently in the playoff cut they are 8-8 through the season.  If you remove the WC teams they are 5-8.  Carrier and recently Dobes has them on a little bit of a roll. Seven of their remaining ten games this moth are playoff teams so that theory should have a large enough sample by the end of the month.

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« Reply #96 on: 16 January 2025, 00:41:14 »
Had to share this:

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Apparently it is possible to score a goal without registering a single shot in a period.

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« Reply #97 on: 16 January 2025, 01:01:11 »
So to be clear on this, Mcleod got credit for the goal, rather that Thompson, because he was the was the benefactor of the penalty shot to be rather than the last Sabre to touch the puck.  Sabres really out-Sabres themselved this evening.

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« Reply #98 on: 16 January 2025, 08:25:44 »
I've HEARD of this happening, but it was the first time I've ever SEEN it. Thank you for your contribution to hockey knowledge and history, Buffalo!
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« Reply #99 on: 16 January 2025, 20:10:17 »
So scrolling through my timeline yesterday I saw an all time Sabres 1st and 2nd team that ranked Ryan Miller higher than Dominic Hasek.  My immediate reaction was to disregard this list as trash.  Miller had a good career but I shouldn't be crazy for this opinion?  I don't think I saw any other Sabres on either list either pre 1994.

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« Reply #100 on: 16 January 2025, 20:24:03 »
So to be clear on this, Mcleod got credit for the goal, rather that Thompson, because he was the was the benefactor of the penalty shot to be rather than the last Sabre to touch the puck.  Sabres really out-Sabres themselved this evening.

The goal was initially awarded to Thompson as he was the last Sabre to touch the puck, but after the game was over they changed the credit to McLeod.

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So, now I'm imagining people boxing up Overlords for loading as cargo.  "Nope, totally not a DropShip.  Everyone knows you can't fit a DropShip in a WarShip!  It's...a ten thousand ton box of marshmallows!  Yeah.  For the Heavy Guards big annual smores party."
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Re: NHL 2024-2025: The Cats are out of the bag.
« Reply #101 on: 17 January 2025, 00:00:27 »
Hahaha, Doby did Dallas!  :evil: :grin:

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« Reply #102 on: 17 January 2025, 14:28:44 »
So scrolling through my timeline yesterday I saw an all time Sabres 1st and 2nd team that ranked Ryan Miller higher than Dominic Hasek.  My immediate reaction was to disregard this list as trash.  Miller had a good career but I shouldn't be crazy for this opinion?  I don't think I saw any other Sabres on either list either pre 1994.

I actually can defend this. What's been going around via things like NHL Network are quarter-century teams. Hasek was only on the Sabres for something like 90 games of this century before he left town, whereas Miller's CAREER resume might not be as gaudy, but all of it was played for the Sabres within the timeframe in question. Miller's time in Buffalo- again, all during the quarter-century mark- was dominant, he really carried some otherwise-average teams, and I'd call him top-five in the league up until the Lucic hit seemed to change him (and the team's fortunes) for the lesser. Hasek was also a beast- if not THE best of all time, top three- but most of that time was in the 1990s, and so for those purposes those stats wouldn't count.

So from THAT standpoint, yeah, Miller over Hasek. It still begs questions on others though- the Boston one included Joe Thornton and Torey Krug, and omitted Glen Murray, and I've been seething all week about that.
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« Reply #103 on: 19 January 2025, 00:58:23 »
That would have made more sense if it was an NHL sponsored list.  I know my click bait wasn't what you described it had Michael Peca on it.  Peca was good for the Sabres for a few years but should come anywhere close to top 2 centers that ever played for the Sabres.


So from THAT standpoint, yeah, Miller over Hasek. It still begs questions on others though- the Boston one included Joe Thornton and Torey Krug, and omitted Glen Murray, and I've been seething all week about that.
Then I'm going to make you angry because I apparently blocked out all memory of Murray playing for the Bruins the second time around.  Had him pegged for a longer term in LA, where in my old mind, he was more prolific.  Guess it's a good thing I turned in my Bruins Bandwagon card a few years ago.

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« Reply #104 on: 21 January 2025, 08:11:19 »
That would have made more sense if it was an NHL sponsored list.  I know my click bait wasn't what you described it had Michael Peca on it.  Peca was good for the Sabres for a few years but should come anywhere close to top 2 centers that ever played for the Sabres.

Then I'm going to make you angry because I apparently blocked out all memory of Murray playing for the Bruins the second time around.  Had him pegged for a longer term in LA, where in my old mind, he was more prolific.  Guess it's a good thing I turned in my Bruins Bandwagon card a few years ago.

He was very good in that second stint, yeah- repeatedly broke 30 goals, broke 40 once if I remember right, and most of that was after his preferred linemates (Joe Thornton and Sergei Samsonov) had already left town. He really was their only real scoring threat for a long time, and I've always hated that his retirement after '06 was riiiight as the draft picks and such from the Thornton trade started to bear fruit at the NHL level with guys like Bergeron and Lucic. The guy played through the worst period of B's hockey in their history as their sole bright spot, and he left just when it started getting good again.
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Re: NHL 2024-2025: The Cats are out of the bag.
« Reply #105 on: 22 January 2025, 23:07:03 »
The guy who snapped the photo of Reaves vs Mathieu fight finally inspired me enough to change my avatar.  Toronto is already giving me those first round elimination vibes.

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« Reply #106 on: 23 January 2025, 16:23:17 »
The guy who snapped the photo of Reaves vs Mathieu fight finally inspired me enough to change my avatar.  Toronto is already giving me those first round elimination vibes.

when has Toronto not given first round elimination vibes?
I swear, even as they went to the second round in '23 I was still feeling first round elimination vibes  :shocked:
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« Reply #107 on: 23 January 2025, 18:39:36 »
when has Toronto not given first round elimination vibes?
I felt pretty good about them making a conference final earlier in the season when they could run Stolarz and Woll out there.  It was all to me just a matter of who is in goal come playoff time.  They got lit up by Columbus the other night for the second time this season and have a losing record against teams in the WC or right around that bubble.  It's a small sample size (roughly 8 games) but I give them better odds against Florida and Tampa Bay at winning a series vs. almost anyone currently hovering around the Wild Card right now.

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« Reply #108 on: 24 January 2025, 12:20:43 »
when has Toronto not given first round elimination vibes?
I swear, even as they went to the second round in '23 I was still feeling first round elimination vibes  :shocked:

To their credit, they DID promptly roll over and die in the second round, so they were just a few days late on their usual springtime plan. Calendars can be SO confusing.

Nah, honestly I'm kind of with you Firesprocket, they're a good hockey team on paper, this looks like one of the better Toronto teams of this basic iteration of the team, and even with that in mind there just feels like there's still something  missing. And I don't mean Tavares, though the sooner he's healthy the happier he's going to be (and so will my fantasy team, frankly). The defense still feels kind of 'eh', and with all due respect to Ryan Reaves the grit just isn't really there still- I know the hope last year was that Bertuzzi would fill that role, but being that he kind of sucked last year, it's understandable that they decided to pass on trying again there.

I don't know, on paper they're one of the better teams in the East and in theory could, yes, take on Tampa or Florida or any of those and slap them in seven games. But... even beyond the usual tropes of 'first round exit' or 'god, not Boston again', it just feels like there's holes to fill before they could beat those teams. I'll be very interested to see what they do at the deadline in a few weeks... and how they handle this offseason. I kind of thought they'd have to at least partially blow the core up this past summer, and it was astonishing that they didn't do it- this time they just about have to, no matter the outcome of the season, and seeing what parts they do and do not hang on to will be very interesting indeed.

I'll also say this right now, in January, and know that it will probably come back to bite me in April. Right now, both teams as they are at this typing, Toronto would manhandle Boston in a first-round series if that somehow came to pass. Boston's just not very good right now (another very interesting team at the deadline), and I wouldn't trust them to win more than maybe two games in a series, probably not even that, with a Leafs team that... let's be real, outside of Bertuzzi and a few minor changes, is essentially the same high-powered team as last year. Boston made a lot of changes, most of which haven't been very successful (Lindholm is awful, Zadorov is lazy, Korpisalo is doing his best but is definitely a downgrade from Ulmark, etc.)... give us that matchup again, and the Leafs probably can finally slay the yellow demon. That said... again, late January talking here... I honestly don't know that I'd pick the Bruins to make the playoffs at the moment- or if they do, it's a wild card early-exit at the hands of the Panthers again or something like that.
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Re: NHL 2024-2025: The Cats are out of the bag.
« Reply #109 on: 25 January 2025, 00:36:36 »
Avs and Hurricanes pull off a huge trade with Chicago facilitating cap space.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/hurricanes-add-rantanen-hall-in-blockbuster-trade-with-avalanche~3067602

It should be pretty interesting to see how this pans out at the end of the season.  For Carolina they are shooting for the moon and that Stanley Cup.  For the Avs it represents another season of cap cost certainty with Necas.

Hopefully Hellbie is doing okay as we wait for him to weigh in this trade.

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« Reply #110 on: 25 January 2025, 10:26:26 »
Avs and Hurricanes pull off a huge trade with Chicago facilitating cap space.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/hurricanes-add-rantanen-hall-in-blockbuster-trade-with-avalanche~3067602

It should be pretty interesting to see how this pans out at the end of the season.  For Carolina they are shooting for the moon and that Stanley Cup.  For the Avs it represents another season of cap cost certainty with Necas.

Hopefully Hellbie is doing okay as we wait for him to weigh in this trade.

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Honestly? It's a positive. A tough positive, but a positive nonetheless.

Rantanen wants a long-term deal at $14M, and he's not been willing to budge on that. Look around that Avs roster though. MacKinnon. Makar. There's not a lot of cap space there for that deal to work, and it forces the Avs to kind of turn into the Oilers- a few very high-priced players and a roster outside of them that struggles. That's not a recipe for success- ask the Leafs. So the Avs had two choices, with that realization:

1) Make one last Cup run with Moose, watch him leave in the offseason no matter the outcome, and move on.

2) Trade him now, get something out of him from someone needing a rental, and accept the loss of firepower this year to improve in the future.

They went with the latter, and.... a 2nd rounder, a reasonable player in Necas, and some change for a guy you couldn't keep anyway? Not bad, really. Bummer to see him go, but again, that was happening sometime this year no matter what.

For the Canes... we've seen this movie before. This is the sequel to the movie that starred Jake Guentzel last time- remember that one? Trade for a high-power upcoming-UFA, swing for the fences and fail, watch him leave for a rival rather than sign a deal with you? They can't have the same ending this time- I don't know how they fit Rantanen into their cap next year (even with the cap going up) realistically, but this pattern can't continue for them. but for now, they have a good forward (hang on, I'll get to my concerns there in a minute), another in Hall who shows occasionaly flashes of brilliance (more there in a moment too), and didn't give up a ton compared to what other rental stars might cost. And Chicago... got back a pick and saved a few bucks (50% of Rantanen is less than Hall earned).

So. Hall first. Hall has been maddeningly inconsistent, and that's why he's bounced around the league so much. He was awesome in Edmonton... until he wasn't. He was up and down in Jersey, until he was just down. Fantastic in Boston, when he was healthy. And in Chicago he's been a total non-factor. If the Canes find the 'activate Hall' button again, this turns into a wildly successful trade overall, but I'm guessing he's going to be a third-line guy at best. I have no idea what the deal is with Hall, but it's hard to avoid the feeling that this is a player who we'll look back on in 20 years as one of the great wasted potential stories in the NHL over the last half-century.

And Rantanen... look, I love me some Moose, the guy is a beast, and during the Avs injury-fest last year he was the only guy left to carry them for a good while- and he DID. But... $14M is a LOT, and I'm not sure he's reading that market quite right. Part of that is, simply, that he's a great player on a team that has had a whole lot of them- he regularly takes ice time with guys like Landeskog (well, used to), MacKinnon, etc.- and it makes it hard sometimes to gauge what Rantanen's ceiling looks like. Is he a great player on a team of them, or is he benefitting from playing alongside generational talent? We'll find out now- he's bar-none the top guy on the Carolina roster (no insult to their existing roster), so he'll either pick them up and carry them on his shoulders the way he did for the Avs last year for a while, or he won't and we'll learn a lot about his actual value that way too. This makes or breaks that $14M demand, the next few months, and I wish him the best of luck in it.

So, final score:

Avs: Gain picks/prospects, lose power this year but retool on the fly better next year. Net gain.

Canes: Gain firepower for this year, gave up little, have big question mark at the end of the season. Net gain.

Hawks: Essentially got a free draft pick without giving up much of anything. Net gain.

Not bad all around. Now let's see if this opens up the floodgates for other teams to keep up with the Carolina gauntlet being thrown down.

EDIT: I forgot, we're also assuming right now that the Avs look at all that cap they just freed up and don't do anything with it before the deadline. I'd keep a VERY close eye on Nashville in the coming days- Stamkos didn't pan out there, but a trip to the mountains isn't out of the question if the Preds keep some salary or something fun like that. (Rumors about Crosby leaving Pittsburgh to play alongside MacKinnon are, it sounds like, untrue)
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Re: NHL 2024-2025: The Cats are out of the bag.
« Reply #111 on: 28 January 2025, 21:06:38 »
Caps extend Logan Thompson.

https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2025/01/27/logan-thompson-couldnt-be-more-happy-six-year-deal/

Assuming Logan doesn't turn into Jim Carey (because obviously we know those numbers are going to go down) that contract is gong to age like fine wine.

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