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Talk to me about...the Tempest
« on: 29 October 2012, 14:38:32 »
One of the premiere heavy battlemechs of the Free Worlds League, the Tempest has always been a solid performer. A definite infighter, all Tempests focus primarily on a close-in weapons suite, with the base model using a suite of lasers backed up by SRMs, while a Gauss Rifle provides solid striking power at range. A 4/6/4 movement curve provides good maneuverability, and the design is also excellently protected, resulting in a machine that is more than capable of closing to its preferred engagement range, and continuing to be a serious threat when it gets there.

Surprisingly, most variants are only minor changes from the base TMP-3M. The -3G is the simplest, downgrading the SRM-6 to a four-pack and using the saved tonnage to expand the Gauss Rifle's ammunition bin, resulting in a 'mech that can fire its ammunition-fed weapons continuously for a full four minutes, far longer than your typical tactical 'mech engagment.

The -3MA is an odd one, the only Tempest not to feature a Gauss weapon of any sort. The rifle is dropped for a basic AC/10, fed by a massive four-ton ammo capacity. Range and total damage potential are reduced, but the endurance cannot be underestimated, nor can the flexibility afforded by the use of specialty ammunition. An additional heat sink is also added, a good idea given the high-intensity fighting this mech will likely see. I imagine this variant is preferred by the Marik-Stewarts(who seem to have developed a very Davion-like love of cannons post-Jihad) and Regulans(who have always preferred aggressive up-close fighting). The -3MA is probably also popular on the open market, where the simplicity and reduced cost fo the autocannon can make it more attractive to mercenaries, militias, and anyone else who has an accounting department to answer to.

The final variant is the TMP-3M2, referred to as the Storm Tempest. If you thought the be-cannoned -3MA was odd, this one is just baffling. The Gauss Rifle is downgraded to a light model, and while the ammunition bin is similarly reduced, the net result is identical endurance for the weapon. The tonnage saved here goes into increasing the armor sheaf to the maximum possible, as well as an additional heat sink. The missile rack is upgraded with Streak technology, and the medium lasers are now extended-range models. Total damage is reduced, though range is increased, and endurance is boosted for the SRM rack. I'm not a big fan of the damage reduction, but I'd hazard a guess that the Storm Tempest is meant to counter newer 'mechs that are used to fighting outside of the standard model's optimum range, and have the speed to dictate that range.

What experiences have you had fighting with or against the Tempest?
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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #1 on: 29 October 2012, 15:03:18 »
For me the 3M was always a good companion for the Thunderbolt 7SE. Both have Gauus rifles for long range work but are more dangerous up close, both share the same movement profile and have comparable armour. But it has an XL engine with somewhat hampers its toughness when compared to the T-Bolt.

Strangely I never faced it- it was always me including it in a heavy century, fielding it together with the already mentioned T-Bolt or some Orions and Marauders.




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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #2 on: 29 October 2012, 15:10:31 »
TMP-3G is my most favorite variant. Those three tons of GR ammo are what I have longed for since I have first seen standard TMP-3M. The downgrade of that SRM rack to four tubes is bearable because SRM-4 in combination with three medium lasers still offers some critseeking capability.

TMP-3MA is great if used with special autocannon ammo, but average with ordinary ammunition. Usually I load two tons of Precision ammo, one ton of Armor-Piercing and one ton of standard rounds. This is aggressive brawler FWLM needed for so long.
The intro date is quite interesting - I would expect 3066 instead of 3056. I don't know exactly why, but I had feeling that special autocannon ammo was limited almost exclusively to FedRats at that era. And without alternative AC ammo, those ammo bins are really too deep.

TMP-3M2 is something I do not like that much. That armor boost is nice, but the armament ...
Some say that the LGR should be used for sniping, but I have my doubts about this. Others suggested using it as more precise AC-10 (with slight reduction in damage, but better range brackets. Maybe ...
Secondary armament was improved with ER lasers and Streaks, so that's okay. However, that ER Small Laser could have been omitted. It adds unnecessary heat, but offers next-to-nothing damage. Anything would be better than this.
I can use TMP-3M2, but I will not enjoy it.

My chart would be like this:
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I wonder what the TMP-2M will be. If I remember correctly, it was supposed to be armed with two PPCs.

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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #3 on: 29 October 2012, 15:30:58 »
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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #4 on: 29 October 2012, 15:39:14 »
The 3MA is just begging for specialty ammo like Martian said. I have a pretty good friend who's a FWL player but has yet to use this against me.
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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #5 on: 29 October 2012, 17:03:23 »
Might the TMP-3MA been a tailor-made export model to squeeze the Federated Commonwealth's Sun-side folks dry of any extra C-bills?
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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #6 on: 29 October 2012, 17:41:24 »
The 3MA was from the note in the TR about how the original plans had an autocannon?
So there's nothing about how many, if any, were ever made.
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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #7 on: 30 October 2012, 00:22:24 »
The 3MA was from the note in the TR about how the original plans had an autocannon?
So there's nothing about how many, if any, were ever made.

The originals had PPCs per TRO3055 and TO3055U.

Autocannon variant was described to be temporary modification.

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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #8 on: 30 October 2012, 06:07:32 »
The originals had PPCs per TRO3055 and TO3055U.

Autocannon variant was described to be temporary modification.

That's what I get for not looking things up...
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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #10 on: 30 October 2012, 10:00:16 »
i tend to see the base Tempest as being a support 'mech as much as a frontline 'mech. Take shots at everything with the gauss until someone makes a tactical error that makes wading in necessary then remind them that you are in a 'mech that's mostly infighter weapons. it's probably a bad idea, but it's always my instinct with it. somehow i didn't even KNOW there was an AC/10 mounting model, that thing is dead sexy.

also, it's a great-looking 'mech. come on, that thing is pretty.
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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #11 on: 30 October 2012, 21:53:14 »
Rock solid heavy, gauss rifle for ranged firepower is nothing to dismiss, and its pretty good up close.  JJs are certainly useful.  I wish it had some hands but I like how the GR/right arm looks. 

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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #12 on: 31 October 2012, 00:24:59 »
This thing was the replacement for the Hercules series, correct?

With that said, for some of the later designs available to the FWL powers (Patriots, TBolts, Cruds and maybe Koschei), it eases some logistical burdens since they are the same size.

I think the Tempest works well for anti-mech & armor duties, but the Hercules is more rounded- its loadout can also deal with infantry, VTOLs & ASF.  So I am not sure its a real replacement.
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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #13 on: 31 October 2012, 00:50:41 »
I thought the Temptest and Hercules both came out in TRO 3055
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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #14 on: 31 October 2012, 00:54:44 »
They were . . . perhaps I am thinking about the TROPP TBolt?
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« Reply #15 on: 31 October 2012, 01:06:15 »
This thing was the replacement for the Hercules series, correct?
No, they are 'Mech from the same TRO.

They were . . . perhaps I am thinking about the TROPP TBolt?
No, TDR-9M was replacement for old TDR-5S and TDR-7M.

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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #16 on: 31 October 2012, 01:46:50 »
...I used to love the base model, with the Gauss Rifle matching the range advantage of the Clan weapon, with the LgPL, MLs, and 6-Pack for crits.

Unfortunately, the design hates me.  I find them dropping faster than most of the other Heavies, for little or no effect, which I blame on the relatively light armour and 4/6/4 movement modifiers.  Ultimately, I prefer the T-Bolt, simply because I know the thing will die kicking and screaming.

I liked the GR/LgPL combo enough to recreate the Tempest as a Omni for my home brew games, but it has an XL, MASC, and C3 Master as well as the standard weapons.
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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #17 on: 31 October 2012, 23:41:14 »
I really wish they would have come out and made the low-tech Tempest an offical and common mech as it would have filled a serious PPC hole in the heavy mech category caused by the unseen Warhammer problem.

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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #18 on: 01 November 2012, 00:14:14 »
A low tech Tempest would have to make some really major compromises though, wouldn't it?  I mean, eliminating XL, endo, and DHS requires a whole lot of tonnage to be freed up.
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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #19 on: 01 November 2012, 00:35:19 »
A low tech Tempest would have to make some really major compromises though, wouldn't it?  I mean, eliminating XL, endo, and DHS requires a whole lot of tonnage to be freed up.

You can exactly match the heatsinks and armor of the Warhammer-6R by dumping the jumpjets and replacing the arm weapons with PPCs per fluff.  As long as the design had 16-18 heatsinks I think it would be a very good mech to field.  All the user has to decide is what heat/armor balance provides good flavor.
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« Reply #20 on: 01 November 2012, 01:05:45 »
I do not know, jumping would be something that makes it different from the Warhammer.  And you know, nothing prevents you from running a classic Warhammer on your table . . .
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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #21 on: 01 November 2012, 02:54:18 »
Indeed.  The 3025 Warhammer still exists in universe.  Its art may not appear in a published product anymore, but it's still a unit you can use and that never disappeared in canon.
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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #22 on: 01 November 2012, 11:44:00 »
You could get a SW tech Tempest by loosing a bit of armour, trading the Large Pulse for a Large Laser and the Gauss Rifle for a (shock horror) AC 5.

You'd loose a lot of hitting power but the essential character of the mech would remain the same.

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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #23 on: 01 November 2012, 13:50:11 »
There's also the PPC Catapult option, which I preferred over the WHM 6R, but cant remember why. :-\

I like the Tempest as a functional, post-New Toy Syndrome design.  I can't really see it as a working well in 3025 without closely copying the Tbolt or PPC Catapult.

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Re: Talk to me about...the Tempest
« Reply #24 on: 01 November 2012, 14:43:32 »
You could get a SW tech Tempest by loosing a bit of armour, trading the Large Pulse for a Large Laser and the Gauss Rifle for a (shock horror) AC 5.

You'd loose a lot of hitting power but the essential character of the mech would remain the same.

A PPC/AC5 combo would give you comparable long range hitting power (with less concentration). Backing it with the 3 MLs and a SRM4 makes for a pretty nasty bracket fighter in the SW era.

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